BajaNomad - they got a huge mess in San Vicente

they got a huge mess in San Vicente

Don Pisto - 5-20-2023 at 04:37 PM

SHOOTING SOUTH ENSENADA LEAVES 9 DEAD AND SEVEN INJURED
*The incident was recorded this Saturday afternoon in the town of San Vicente.”
Infonort Multimedia / Mario Muñoz / Patrol 646
Ensenada, Lower California. - A shooting registered this afternoon Saturday, May 20 in the town of San Vicente, south of this municipality, left a preliminary count of nine people dead and seven injured.
The first official data indicate that at 14:28 p.m. this Saturday, May 20, a shooting was recorded in the urban area of San Vicente, a delegation located 100 kilometers south of the city of Ensenada.
At the scene where what appears to be an off-road race car demonstration was hit by a recent gray pickup truck and began shooting at people outside an OXXO store at the local gas station.
At least nine people were instantly killed at the scene, who were hit by gunshots, while seven others at the scene were injured.
The attackers got away.
After the attack arrived at the scene elements of the Secretary of National Defense, Municipal Police, FESC, State Agency of Investigations, Mexican Army, Mexican Red Cross and Firefighters
The attack was recorded from several different spots by local residents who were in the surroundings of the site.
The injured were taken to different hospitals in the municipality of Ensenada.

David K - 5-20-2023 at 04:43 PM

Oh dear God... Larry ('bajatrailrider'), are you there?

San Vincente

winnebago 2 - 5-20-2023 at 06:55 PM

Shooting in San Vincente????

norte - 5-20-2023 at 06:59 PM

10 dead now.

4x4abc - 5-20-2023 at 07:42 PM

according to Ensenada news some of the victims were known drug traffickers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWzaQ3-l9lM

[Edited on 5-21-2023 by 4x4abc]

mtgoat666 - 5-20-2023 at 08:29 PM

That video of the active shooting, yikes!

[Edited on 5-21-2023 by mtgoat666]

David K - 5-20-2023 at 09:19 PM

Vicente, yes. Narco gangs. No foreign tourists was the report. Nine + dead, bodies along the highway at the gas station.

David K - 5-20-2023 at 09:23 PM

After this was reported about being a Can-am caravan, I texted Cameron and Heli-Jim, they both eventually replied that they are fine and far south of there.

mtgoat666 - 5-20-2023 at 10:13 PM

The event was a utv ride from Ensenada to san Felipe, many participants, name of event is Cachanillazo. News article said the attackers were Cártel Arellano Félix (CAF). Attack was on Hwy 1 right in center of town

[Edited on 5-21-2023 by mtgoat666]

wilderone - 5-21-2023 at 07:39 AM

wow -- this has some video:

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/crime/shooting-leaves-peop...

So senseless - what's wrong with people

" Participants in a road race event about 90 miles south of the border were ambushed by gunmen who killed 10 of the drivers and wounded nine others, the Baja California State Attorney General’s Office said.

The victims were parked in their “dune buggy”-style race cars when several armed men jumped out of a late model silver SUV and started firing at the vehicles, according to a news release issued by the AG’s office."

[Edited on 5-21-2023 by wilderone]

[Edited on 5-21-2023 by wilderone]

David K - 5-21-2023 at 07:48 AM

Last night I had an email exchange with 'bajatrailrider' Larry, who is OK!

mtgoat666 - 5-21-2023 at 08:17 AM

The news reports today say:
“A struggle between members of the Jalisco Nueva Generación Cartel (CJNG) -allied with the Arellano Félix cartel- and the Sinaloa Cartel, was what led to the massacre recorded this afternoon in the town of San Vicente,…

Unofficial data confirm this, and point to one of those murdered as Alonso Arámbula Piña alias El Trébol or El Loncho, 34, related to the Arellano Félix Cartel.”

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Pretty outrageous that the cartels think it is appropriate to wage their battles in city center during a public event!

chippy - 5-21-2023 at 10:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone

wow -- this has some video:

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/crime/shooting-leaves-peop...

So senseless - what's wrong with people

" Participants in a road race event about 90 miles south of the border were ambushed by gunmen who killed 10 of the drivers and wounded nine others, the Baja California State Attorney General’s Office said.

The victims were parked in their “dune buggy”-style race cars when several armed men jumped out of a late model silver SUV and started firing at the vehicles, according to a news release issued by the AG’s office."

[Edited on 5-21-2023 by wilderone]

[Edited on 5-21-2023 by wilderone]

So much for the seguridad 24/7 advertized on the inscripciones :no:

winnebago 2 - 5-21-2023 at 10:35 AM

We have all driven thru that town many many times. Watched it grow and never had bad thought. Tragic.

20 seconds from the gas station:

David K - 5-21-2023 at 11:12 AM

JZ - 5-21-2023 at 12:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

The news reports today say:
“A struggle between members of the Jalisco Nueva Generación Cartel (CJNG) -allied with the Arellano Félix cartel- and the Sinaloa Cartel, was what led to the massacre recorded this afternoon in the town of San Vicente,…

Unofficial data confirm this, and point to one of those murdered as Alonso Arámbula Piña alias El Trébol or El Loncho, 34, related to the Arellano Félix Cartel.”

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Pretty outrageous that the cartels think it is appropriate to wage their battles in city center during a public event!

I'm confused were cartel people participating in the UTV rally?

The previous statements make it sound like they targeted the riders?

rts551 - 5-21-2023 at 12:56 PM

https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2023/05/cachanillazo-tour...

SFandH - 5-21-2023 at 01:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

I'm confused were cartel people participating in the UTV rally?

The previous statements make it sound like they targeted the riders?

Sounds that way to me. An AFC guy was killed so perhaps the Sinaloa Cartel guys were doing the shooting. I won't be surprised if details aren't published.

shari - 5-21-2023 at 03:39 PM

Cameron's tour Trail of Missions were here having lunch when the massacre happened in San Vicente. The attack on the Mexican rally group was very well coordinated and targeted rival cartel members...nothing to do with off road racing safety.
Word on the street is there is a struggle for control of the area and there may be retaliation.

Unfortunately the stories in the USA press didnt mention it was a cartel hit so people will just think off road racing is dangerous and this will cause more folks not to want to visit Baja....tourism is waaaay down for us so this is rather sad.

surabi - 5-21-2023 at 03:59 PM

"Nothing to do with off-road racing safety" unless participants are cartel members.

mtgoat666 - 5-21-2023 at 04:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by shari

Unfortunately the stories in the USA press didnt mention it was a cartel hit so people will just think off road racing is dangerous and this will cause more folks not to want to visit Baja....tourism is waaaay down for us so this is rather sad.

The cartel hit was carried out in the middle of a utv fun run, in center of town mid-afternoon on a Saturday… rather brazen of the hit men to choose that location to attack, such an open and public area.

Of the 10 dead and 9 wounded, how many were bystanders caught in the crossfire?

The people of Mexico need to rise up, and elect politicians that will clean house and run the cartels out of existence. Too many politicians are owned by cartel. Too many Mexicans accept the cartels and their violence.

advrider - 5-21-2023 at 06:45 PM

Bajatrailrider is all good and out ridding today.

Goat, what they did was make a very tactical decision based on war tactics. They picked a place where everyone would be getting out of their cars and grouping together, good call for high causality hit. They aren't worried about collateral damage. As you point out, very little if any repercussions for them.

mtgoat666 - 5-21-2023 at 08:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Bajatrailrider is all good and out ridding today.

Goat, what they did was make a very tactical decision based on war tactics. They picked a place where everyone would be getting out of their cars and grouping together, good call for high causality hit. They aren't worried about collateral damage. As you point out, very little if any repercussions for them.

The Mexican people, police and politicians will pretend the massacre never happened. Actually, they don’t pretend it did not happen, they just don’t care that it happened, happened before, and will happen again. Fiddling while their Rome burns. Confidant and nonchalant about the loss of their civility, the end of their civil society,… “what, me worry?”

[Edited on 5-22-2023 by mtgoat666]

David K - 5-21-2023 at 08:31 PM

There was a similar event today in Tepic, Nayarit (as best as I could tell today off the TV).
There really should be outrage, but fear or bribes keep mouths closed.

We still don't know who kidnapped helpless Mary Ann Humfreville in the middle of the night and nobody in town will volunteer what they know.
Some closure would be welcomed by family and friends.

[Edited on 5-22-2023 by David K]

pacificobob - 5-21-2023 at 08:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Sounds like the USA. Thoughts and prayers!

surabi - 5-21-2023 at 08:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Sounds like the USA. Thoughts and prayers!

One thing I'd be willing to bet is that scores of heavily armed Mexican police in bullet-proof vests wouldn't stand around in the hallway for an hour and 15 minutes while classrooms full of little children were being massacred and traumatized for life.

[Edited on 5-22-2023 by surabi]

surabi - 5-21-2023 at 09:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

We still don't know who kidnapped helpless Mary Ann Humfreville in the middle of the night and nobody in town will volunteer what they know.
Some closure would be welcomed by family and friends.

[Edited on 5-22-2023 by David K]

"Closure" is a ridiculous notion. One of those words bandied about that many relatives of victims find offensively facile. Even if the perpetrators are caught and punished and you find out what really happened, it does nothing to lessen the pain of losing a loved one to murder, especially if the killing wasn't instant and was preceded by terrorizing the victim.

[Edited on 5-22-2023 by surabi]

[Edited on 5-22-2023 by surabi]

mtgoat666 - 5-21-2023 at 10:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Sounds like the USA. Thoughts and prayers!

Majority of Mexican cops are on cartel bankroll… the cartels rule the country because the cops stand around and do nothing. Thousands of adolescents have disappeared in Mexico, and govt/cops don’t give a chit. Sometimes the cops themselves are disappearing the kids.
Heck, even mex presidents are puppets of cartels. El Chapo was puppet master of Pres Calderon.

surabi - 5-21-2023 at 10:31 PM

I wasn't saying Mexican cops are some good guys, Goat, or that what the cartels get away with is in any way okay, but turning a blind eye to cartel business and actions and being on the take isn't in the same category as standing around letting one insane teenager massacre a classroom full of 9 and 10 year olds. There's a difference between being corrupt and being an inept coward.

Sadly, it will be generations before there's any getting rid of the cartels. You're dealing with a culture that has a whole genre of music dedicated to portraying violent criminals as heroes. Ever paid attention to how they change the names of movies in Mexico to something violent or highly sexual? There's a little known Russell Crowe movie I watched. The name of the movie in English is "Tenderness". The Mexican bootleg was entitled "Asesino".

[Edited on 5-22-2023 by surabi]

[Edited on 5-22-2023 by surabi]

SFandH - 5-22-2023 at 09:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

what they did was make a very tactical decision based on war tactics. They picked a place where everyone would be getting out of their cars and grouping together, good call for high causality hit.

I was thinking the same thing. I bet cartel guys won't gather at a publicized event anymore.

I'm also thinking the Sinaloa Cartel did the shooting, taking out members of the New Generation / Tijuana Cartels. Hopefully, this was a decisive shoot-out.

How long has the fighting for the drug plazas (in this case the TJ plaza) been going on? Forty years?

PaulW - 5-22-2023 at 10:24 AM

There were two target UTV drivers from a rival cartel entered in the event. The shooters from the other cartel arrived in an SUV and started shooting.
Both targets escaped with no injuries. Count now is 11 dead.

mtgoat666 - 5-22-2023 at 09:11 PM

US consulate says 3 of the dead are American citizens…

advrider - 5-22-2023 at 10:00 PM

Probably not a good idea to hangout with cartel no matter where you are from!

BajaBlanca - 5-23-2023 at 12:53 AM

This is TRAGIC.

https://www.aol.com/news/three-americans-among-10-killed-074...

[Edited on 5-23-2023 by BajaBlanca]

mtgoat666 - 5-23-2023 at 05:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Probably not a good idea to hangout with cartel no matter where you are from!

It is likely that many of the dead bystanders had no idea they were in proximity of gangsters.
Can you advise tourists how to recognize gangsters when they are in public space?

PaulW - 5-23-2023 at 05:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Probably not a good idea to hangout with cartel no matter where you are from!

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From my reading on a race forum the cartel guys like to race and participate in most all race events. All the way from SCORE to lesser known informal events.

mtgoat666 - 5-23-2023 at 06:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Probably not a good idea to hangout with cartel no matter where you are from!

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From my reading on a race forum the cartel guys like to race and participate in most all race events. All the way from SCORE to lesser known informal events.

The cartels have many thousands of employees in baja. The cartel guys occupy their leisure time the same as most other people.

SFandH - 5-23-2023 at 07:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Can you advise tourists how to recognize gangsters when they are in public space?

Can you recognize, or at least suspect, gang members when you're in the United States?

advrider - 5-23-2023 at 08:06 AM

Did not realize any innocent bystanders were harmed, I thought it was only cartel that were killed. That is what my comment was based on. Often times gangs, cartels and thugs associated mostly with people in their organization to lessen the chance of outsiders gaining intel and access to them and their inner workings. Just my experience.

mtgoat666 - 5-23-2023 at 08:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Can you advise tourists how to recognize gangsters when they are in public space?

Can you recognize, or at least suspect, gang members when you're in the United States?

No. Members of organized crime range from cops in uniform (e.g LAPD rampart), to suburban dads in suit/tie, to street thugs in Compton.
Cartel guys in Mexico come in all types.
Don’t buy into stereotypes that cartel guys have a stereotypical look.
On Saturday in San vicente, the cartel guys were dressed up in riding clothes, and looked same as baja nomad off-roaders.

mtgoat666 - 5-23-2023 at 08:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Did not realize any innocent bystanders were harmed, I thought it was only cartel that were killed.

One of the people in critical in hospital is a 12 year old kid…

surabi - 5-23-2023 at 10:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Can you advise tourists how to recognize gangsters when they are in public space?

Can you recognize, or at least suspect, gang members when you're in the United States?

Unless someone has obvious gang tattoos, I don't know how you would. You don't think cartel guys ever wear suits and ties? Plenty of them look like respectable businessmen.

Don Pisto - 5-23-2023 at 10:50 AM

"we're all in on it"

PaulW - 5-23-2023 at 10:53 AM

Silly question.
They do not want the public to identify them.
Cartel members look like any other typical Mexican man.
For the race scene they own and drive the top of the line vehicles, but that makes them fit in quite well and be undistinguished.

It is only when they are in combat mode that they can be identified by their automatic rifles in full display.

surabi - 5-23-2023 at 12:20 PM

Oh I doubt they all engage in street combat, complete with camo and automatics. There's the head honchos who give the orders and the foot soldiers who do the dirty work.

San Vicente incident

Steve in Oro Valley - 5-24-2023 at 11:00 AM

Can one still stop by Espinoza's Place in El Rosario for lobster tacos and information on the road south ?

Or is this just another Desengaño ?

David K - 5-24-2023 at 01:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Steve in Oro Valley

Can one still stop by Espinoza's Place in El Rosario for lobster tacos and information on the road south ?

Or is this just another Desengaño ?

Last year:

Lobster chiles rellenos sounds awesome and we know from Udo and my raves how great the crab chowder is (Caldo de jaiba)!

As for road info, I think that ended when the highway was completed in late 1973?

Also the mail delivery to brother Arturo at Laguna Chapala!

Steve in Oro Valley - 5-24-2023 at 04:01 PM

Ah yes, Arturo Grosso the parrot guy...

David K - 5-24-2023 at 07:45 PM

Sounds like you have stories to share! No Desengaño here!

SFandH - 5-25-2023 at 07:02 AM

Three men arrested:

https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/ensenada/Capturan-a-tres...

elgatoloco - 5-26-2023 at 05:13 PM

Good.

SFandH - 5-26-2023 at 05:22 PM

Yes.

I read an article today saying that over 400 Mexican cops from various agencies including the military are on duty for the Baja 500 this weekend.

There will probably be a riot south of Ensenada when fans get caught up in Highway 1 traffic for hours and hours. Some frustrated gun nut will let loose.

pacificobob - 5-27-2023 at 07:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

Good.

Oh, you think those guys they arrested are actually the shooters?

Cuffing a few low ranking fall guys is all optics, creating the illusion of justice.

AKgringo - 5-27-2023 at 07:56 AM

Those "low ranking fall guys" are in danger from the police, the Federales, rival gangs, and now their own gangs! They are the migrants that I worry about heading north of the border for their own safety!

[Edited on 5-27-2023 by AKgringo]

mtgoat666 - 5-27-2023 at 08:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

Good.

Oh, you think those guys they arrested are actually the shooters?

Cuffing a few low ranking fall guys is all optics, creating the illusion of justice.

The sicarios are psychopathic meth heads, street thugs that do the dirty work. The cartel’s top dogs are untouchable since the top dogs have bought off the popo and politicians.

mtgoat666 - 5-27-2023 at 03:04 PM

And now 3 killed a bit south in ejido Emiliano Zapatista (Vicente Guerrero)
https://zetatijuana.com/2023/05/matan-a-tres-en-san-quintin-...

elgatoloco - 5-27-2023 at 04:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

Good.

Oh, you think those guys they arrested are actually the shooters?

Viva Baja