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surabi
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How about people taking 8 minute hot showers instead of 20 minutes? How about turning the AC off when no one is home instead of leaving it blasting
all day? How about not flushing the toilet to get rid of a little tinkle?
Proposing either/or solutions is unnecessary and makes people resistant- if humans were just less entitled and self-indulgent with resources, that
would go a long way towards less pollution and waste of resources.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by surabi]
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JZ
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Quote: Originally posted by surabi  | How about people taking 8 minute hot showers instead of 20 minutes? How about turning the AC off when no one is home instead of leaving it blasting
all day? How about not flushing the toilet to get rid of a little tinkle?
Proposing either/or solutions is unnecessary and makes people resistant- if humans were just less entitled and self-indulgent with resources, that
would go a long way towards less pollution and waste of resources.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by surabi] |
Zuckerberg has been one of the biggest Climate Crisis alarmists. Well, well, well, look at his brand new toy. Take it up with him and ppl of his ilk
before you come after the common person with your self-indulgent finger pointing.
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surabi
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Your post indicates that you entirely missed my point about "either/or". It isn't a matter of "rich people should curb their consumption before the
average person does"- everyone needs to, including the rich.
Using the excuse "well, look at Zuckerberg", just seems like a lame way to justify not doing one's part.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi | How about people taking 8 minute hot showers instead of 20 minutes? How about turning the AC off when no one is home instead of leaving it blasting
all day? How about not flushing the toilet to get rid of a little tinkle?
Proposing either/or solutions is unnecessary and makes people resistant- if humans were just less entitled and self-indulgent with resources, that
would go a long way towards less pollution and waste of resources.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by surabi] |
Zuckerberg has been one of the biggest Climate Crisis alarmists. Well, well, well, look at his brand new toy. Take it up with him and ppl of his ilk
before you come after the common person with your self-indulgent finger pointing.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JZ] |
Lame.
Clark likes to point out China and India as bigger polluters so let's not point fingers.
Lay blame, quote NY Post, troll. Repeat.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi | How about people taking 8 minute hot showers instead of 20 minutes? How about turning the AC off when no one is home instead of leaving it blasting
all day? How about not flushing the toilet to get rid of a little tinkle?
Proposing either/or solutions is unnecessary and makes people resistant- if humans were just less entitled and self-indulgent with resources, that
would go a long way towards less pollution and waste of resources.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by surabi] |
Zuckerberg has been one of the biggest Climate Crisis alarmists. Well, well, well, look at his brand new toy. Take it up with him and ppl of his ilk
before you come after the common person with your self-indulgent finger pointing.
[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JZ] |
Lame.
Clark likes to point out China and India as bigger polluters so let's not point fingers.
Lay blame, quote NY Post, troll. Repeat. |
Ok Lee, lets make believe that China and India and everyone else is just one big happy family of ours. And continue to think that the hypocrisy of the
"climate change promoters" doesnt exist.
Meanwhile, anyone with a brain can tell you that the sea level rise and fall is not a threat to civilization. Take a deep breath and have a cold
Pacifico under the palm tree.
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JZ
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10% (US and a few other Western Countries) of the world shouldn't be charged with trying to save the planet.
Especially, when the wealthiest of those 10% create 40%+ of the pollution and do nothing to lower their carbon footprints except lecture the rest of
us.
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How about letting your gray water go back into the same ground that it was pumped out of by solar after it waters the yard? How about running your AC
off of solar not CFI so it doesn’t mater? How about running your car off of solar so all anyone can b-tch about is tire wear?
How about living up to the fact that 40% of the current temperature rise is the direct result of ill conceived geo engineering by the clean air no
matter what crowd?
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | How about letting your gray water go back into the same ground that it was pumped out of by solar after it waters the yard? How about running your AC
off of solar not CFI so it doesn’t mater? How about running your car off of solar so all anyone can b-tch about is tire wear?
How about living up to the fact that 40% of the current temperature rise is the direct result of ill conceived geo engineering by the clean air no
matter what crowd? |
Also important to note that solar panels generate heat as do the A/C compressors and components. Drive thru southern Arizona and take note of the
solar farms. Note how much warmer the area around them is than the surrounding desert.
Desert cities have more and more asphalt and concrete which directly cause a higher heat absorption than the dirt they replaced. Building codes have
been adopted to eliminate dust particles from dirt roads and alley ways thru mandated paving by developers.
The left hand and the right hand of our government do not communicate when it comes to any of this.
As for water, it is all in a closed system. We arent gaining or losing any water from the planet no matter how long people stand in the shower singing
their favorite solo.
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RFClark
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Exactly!
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Save the world?
Please tell me how it makes sense for the US and Europe to go green (and pay the bill to boot) when it won't make a dent in the total world's
pollution because the rest of the world will not comply!
When in fact given the rest of the world's growth in dino juice power any "gain" from the US and EU will be overtaken by the rest of the world's
growth in emissions a couple years.
Now if you can get those polluters to sign on then you'll make progress. But each step forward has a concomitant detraction (i.e., cleaner air means
higher temps due to more insolation received).
Go electric cars? Means more mining with heavy machinery and pollution thereof. Is there enough minerals to build all those batteries? What do you do
with them when they die? Going to mine with electric dozers and shovels? Think again.
Go wind? What do you do with old windmill blades? Solve that one
I'll go all in if someone can find reliable information of the efficiency of any wind farm. It can't be done. Those stats aren't allowed outside the
Board Room. I've looked for 10 years. Find me the day to day stats of generation capacity of individual windmills covering a years time period and
I'll start to change my mind if it shows an efficient operation.
Trains? Are you suggesting we use battery powered long haul train engines to move the worlds commerce? Think again. The physics just aren't there.
World sea shipping? Are we going to move 1.000 foot long container ships by battery power? Think again.
The world can not operate without dino juice so get used to it.
Stop din juice and you WILL kill the world.
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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