BajaNomad - Apology for JRbaja

Apology for JRbaja

BajaNomad - 9-7-2005 at 12:44 AM

JR has indicated that he feels:

(a) I tried to "embarrass (him) with BS."
(b) Have cost him his friendship with Bernie.
(c) Started a "fiasco" by "telling things the way (I) see them."
(d) I have not acted in standard fashion, as I did not first contact him privately about the issue.
(e) That I've made "BS allegations" and "false accusations."
(f) I owe him a public apology.

While I don't feel I've made any BS allegations or accusations - as what I posted was in fact true, I certainly am sorry for any embarrassment to JR caused by what I posted.

I would agree that I did not act in my standard fashion of contacting someone privately first. For this I also apologize.

Regarding the relationship with Bernie part, only Bernie knows, but I doubt this issue could have solely caused such a situation if that is in fact the case.

With item (c), I'd say isn't that the "pot calling the kettle black?"

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Details:

I closed the thread titled "foghornleghorn" when I discovered two of the usernames were posting from the same IP address.

Although the user "foghornleghorn" was a new signup, it was apparent they weren't new to the board - thusly the red flag that had me take notice.

The thread:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=12477

I posted the last note to the thread before closing it, stating:
"jrbaja, foghornleghorn, same IP. 'Nuff said."

I also removed the posting privileges of - and sent a u2u to - foghornleghorn.

While well aware that JR's ISP (which is the ISP of quite a few people that frequent this site) issues dynamic IPs, I had never witnessed two users from that ISP using the same IP at the same time - meaning that the ISP is utilizing a proxy server. AOL is the ISP that is best known for doing this. The other situation where users commonly have the same IP is when they are behind the same NAT router in (typically) a local office/home environment. This is not a typical situation with dial-up accounts - which is what the situation was in this case.

So, foghornleghorn and JRbaja were using the same IP, but they WERE NOT the same person, nor in the same place - or on the same home/office network. Their ISP is - and this was new news to me - using a proxy server.

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More:

During the process of looking into this in more detail, I inquired with JR:
"Are you telling me that you have no idea who foghornleghorn is - or might be?"

The response I received indicated he didn't know "exactly who it is" and "I don't lie!"... but at that point he was well aware of the identity of foghornleghorn - which was Tom (Me No).

So JR, as I indicated to you, I'm really disappointed, as I thought I could trust you to be straight with me.

--
Doug Means

[Edited on 9-7-2005 by BajaNomad]

Sharksbaja - 9-7-2005 at 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaNomad
aware of the identity of foghornleghorn - which was Tom (Me No).

--
Doug Means

[Edited on 9-7-2005 by BajaNomad]

Which was my suspicion in the beginning.

[Edited on 9-7-2005 by Sharksbaja]

capt. mike - 9-7-2005 at 03:21 AM

this is all soap opera stufff.......who cares????!!!

hahahah!!!!! :lol:

more surely to come on the next edition of....

"as the peninsula curves"...... :wow:

Not that it matters anymore

jrbaja - 9-7-2005 at 09:57 AM

but got any reason for this unless you were purposely setting me up?

"I would agree that I did not act in my standard fashion of contacting someone privately first. For this I also apologize."

"So JR, as I indicated to you, I'm really disappointed, as I thought I could trust you to be straight with me."

And as I told you Doug, I have been sticking up for you, even with MeNo, as many on here felt you were reading their u2u's. I disagreed but by not admitting that I had in fact received a u2u from Me No, I sure found out who was being "straight" with me didn't I?

Anyone who thinks u2u'ing is a private matter on here had best think again. Certainly explains a lot about the coop group, the moderators, and the bullchit that I got mad about
on here in the first place.
I just didn't realize Doug was one of the group until now.

To me, it put's a whole new light on the chicken chit on this board. But with the mentality of people like dk and jz who still think that Dougs "insinuations" are true, you people deserve each other. birds of a feather so to speak!

www.baja.net

rpleger - 9-7-2005 at 10:07 AM

Paranoia, Paranoia......................

Lets get back to talking Baja.

bajalera - 9-7-2005 at 10:36 AM

Aha! Now I get it. JR is NOT foggyleg, who is really Tom, however Tom is actually MeNo, as Sharks already suspected although the Capt doesn't give a sh!t, and somehow or other JR and Bernie who once were friendly have now become hostile, not that JR needed this since he already had David K to exchange nasties with and besides that JR also appears to be at odds with Cindy, with whom he used to be good pals, or so I thought--and welcome to the Age of Communication.

Lera

[Edited on 9-7-2005 by bajalera]

comitan - 9-7-2005 at 10:43 AM

Lera

If you followed all of the posts there would be many more names to that list. By his last post he is insinuating that he is leaving Nomad Forum, me thinks he will find out he never had it so good as on this forum. I'm also sure he will want to come back but when you burn so many bridges it will be difficult.

[Edited on 9-7-2005 by comitan]

Natalie Ann - 9-7-2005 at 10:44 AM

Excellent summary, Lee. Thank you - now I think I get it, too. :rolleyes:

I'll come to you for future translations.

I have to sign off now - almost time for
All My Children. :biggrin:

Here we go....................................................

Sharksbaja - 9-7-2005 at 10:46 AM

again:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

comitan - 9-7-2005 at 10:47 AM

:spingrin:

Sharksbaja - 9-7-2005 at 11:31 AM

.51 cal :lol:

with a silencer. :bounce:

rpleger - 9-7-2005 at 12:09 PM

No, No, Let everybody hear it.

David K - 9-7-2005 at 06:55 PM

Some thoughts...

I will remind you folks that Doug never said JR and Foghorn were the same person. He said they had the same IP, and JR knew that Foghorn was MeNo (Tom) but lied to Doug, just the same. JR, don't be mad at Doug.

I do not like seeing this kind of stuff, it is not Baja-like or 'human'... and neither is calling most Americans and Canadians nasty names or any names. There are good and bad in all countries... you can't 'profile' bad North American people by nationality.

To be down on Doug (for any reason) is really sad of any of you/us... Doug provides this site for true Baja lovers, for free. A TINY number are just loving how they can mess it up or chase good folks off with their name calling and pointless blather or postings... to up their rank (as if that paid something, lol). Posting links to a minor Baja forum only to get unsuspecting newbies to jump ship is also not cool to do to Doug and Baja Nomad.

While I have a lot of posts (the second most, after JR+SkiBaja), it is mostly about Baja or exchanging friendly conversation... I have a lot because I am also the oldest active Nomad here (after Doug naturally)... posting before everyone else here since Doug started this new forum.

I do not dislike JR or have ever wanted to feud with him... I have been to JR's several times (in person he is nice), brought clothes and other stuff for his projects. I do not know why he decided to disqualify my travel input here...?

I have only asked him many times to stop the anti-social, hate American, pesonal slander posts. He keeps putting 'DK' in several negative posts even though I have kept out of this weeks garbage here... baiting me perhaps?

I am trying to keep to what I like doing the most, and most of you like... which is my trip reports, photos, historical tidbits.

Instead of a gossip center, let's have Nomad be (mostly) an information and Baja fun center... Okay?

Now, how about a rule here that says if you don't have anything nice to say about a fellow Nomad, keep it to yourself.

JZ - 9-7-2005 at 08:10 PM

Why do you always say stuff like this. Are you trying impress us while telling us you aren't or are you really that naive. Why is every other word out of you mouth tooting your horn.

"While I have a lot of posts (the second most, after JR+SkiBaja), ... I have a lot because I am also the oldest active Nomad here (after Doug naturally)... posting before everyone else here since Doug started this new forum."

David K - 9-7-2005 at 08:20 PM

Because one of the criticizms (from a few) is that I post too much... and you have already broken this proposed self controlled rule:

Now, how about a rule here that says if you don't have anything nice to say about a fellow Nomad, keep it to yourself.

No "Nice" Rule Needed.

DanO - 9-7-2005 at 08:49 PM

Sigh.

I've addressed this sort of request several times in the past. Maybe what we have here, as the warden in Cool Hand Luke would say, is a failure to communicate.

Let me try it another way. The discourse on this board doesn't need a rule that permits only "nice" posts. Such imposed restraints will not be heeded by posters, because it is a fundamental aspect of human nature that we do NOT follow rules. Jesus, if we all followed what most people view as the commonly accepted parameters for appropriate behavior, we and this board probably wouldn't exist! These people think you're certifiably insane when they learn that you love spending time in (or, worse yet, are moving to or already living in) a country that in their view is lawless and corrupt, unsanitary and uncivilized, and just generally dangerous.

You start imposing rules like theirs, you get on the slippery slope and it's just a matter of time before you start thinking like them and saying crap like "How can you eat the street food down there? Don't they all cook everything in trash cans?" (My response is: "That's why I always demand to see what they're cooking in. If they don't use a trash can, I'll go somewhere that does.")

Or how about this one: "What if you get sick or injured, aren't the medical facilities down there just totally primitive? (Response: "Absolutely, but I've got a contingency plan. Since I can't afford to call a stateside jet copter to come and get me if I have a heart attack, I'll drive for hours to get to San Diego, if I live that long. Or hey, I could avoid the drive altogether and just kill myself on the spot by swallowing my tongue!")

Simply put, a rule requiring us all to be nice would be unenforceable and would encourage precisely the sort of narrow-minded and cloistered thinking that I, for one, find totally unacceptable. I'm betting I'm not alone.

Sharksbaja - 9-7-2005 at 09:25 PM

neither is JZ.

Natalie Ann - 9-7-2005 at 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Because one of the criticizms (from a few) is that I post too much... and you have already broken this proposed self controlled rule:

Now, how about a rule here that says if you don't have anything nice to say about a fellow Nomad, keep it to yourself.

David - Go back to your corner and put a lid on it, por favor.

JZ - 9-7-2005 at 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hose A
self explanatory. 22 members registered in August 2002.

Or click on member- click on registration.

UID Username Status E-Mail: Site: Location: Registered: Posts:
1 BajaNomad Super Administrator San Diego, CA USA 8-1-2002 808
2 Rida Member 8-10-2002 0
3 LALA Member 8-11-2002 0
4 ironchef Member 8-12-2002 0
5 musicideas Member 8-15-2002 0
6 g_looi Member 8-15-2002 0
7 rajesh_madaan Member 8-19-2002 0
8 Rebecca Member 8-19-2002 0
9 ran_ey Member Austria 8-25-2002 2
10 David K Member San Diego County 8-30-2002 5093
11 Bajabus Member Elias Calles B.C.S. or NC USA 8-30-2002 399
12 Skeet Haggerton Member 8-30-2002 2
13 M Moderator Laguna Niguel, CA. 8-30-2002 119
14 Wayne West Member 8-30-2002 0
15 lizard lips Member Ensenada 8-30-2002 133
16 Jack Swords Member Nipomo, CA/La Paz, BCS 8-30-2002 168
17 SEATWILL Member 8-30-2002 26
18 reefrocket Member Idaho 8-30-2002 171
19 Minnow Member 8-30-2002 56
20 Mexray Member Near Lodi, CA 8-30-2002 399
21 Paulina Member Morro Bay 8-31-2002 156
22 karen sulewski Member 8-31-2002 0

What is self explanatory? Somehow I missed the point!

Sharksbaja - 9-7-2005 at 10:28 PM

OkHose, cmon, tell him to look for the biggest poster. Who was he talkin' to??

JZ - 9-7-2005 at 10:37 PM

Got it. Early member != lots of posts, contray to someone's assertion. Sorry for being so slow.

Roberto - 9-9-2005 at 03:23 PM

Quote:

LOL! You propose the rule, all on your own, and then criticize others for "breaking" it? Keep up the good work, David.

David K - 9-9-2005 at 04:56 PM

You too Robert, ... as it seems you only post to make negative remarks about anything I have to say. :lol:

How about a trip report or a story about a Baja adventure (if you have any)? Stop making me the reason for contributing on Nomad... Nobody cares.

Roberto - 9-9-2005 at 05:44 PM

Yo, David - what part of my name can you not read? And no, I don't have any baja adventures - I'm way too busy sitting here at my computer posting negative comments about you, as you said. :lol:

At least that way I can read your announcements about when roads are paved and impassable and such.

You really do believe your own BS, don't you?

[Edited on 9-10-2005 by Roberto]

comitan - 9-9-2005 at 06:06 PM

Roberto

WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JZ - 9-9-2005 at 10:28 PM

It's that damn smiley sun thing :lol:

Roberto - 9-10-2005 at 02:00 PM

I couldn't care less how much David (or anybody else) posts, though he sure seems to! :lol:

Nor do I care how much he tries to "help" people, though some of it does get annoying. I don't even care about his constant self-promotion and posturing as the Baja Guru.

David wants to pretend that these trivial reasons are why some people get on his case. But in my case, there is much more to it than that, and he knows perfectly well what the reasons are, since I have brought them up more than once. I will not do so again on a public forum, but I reserve the right to say "Hello David" every once in a while. :lol:

And, since I am not running for political office, nor seeking the popularity award, I really don't care what anyone thinks about it.

[Edited on 9-10-2005 by Roberto]

comitan - 9-10-2005 at 02:46 PM

Roberto

For sure no awards from here.

comitan - 9-10-2005 at 03:08 PM

Robero

I just finished a search of your postings.

1. I find that you post in the off topic 99.5% of the time.
(None pertaining to Baja)
2. One Post pertaining to gas in Baja.(Thats good)

Do you feel that you are really qualified to make judgement on someone who posts about Baja all the time. That is really trying to help and educate people about Baja.

Not only do I think you shouln't get any awards I think you should get a Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is all my personal opinion and any derogatory remarks to me pertaining to this post will probably be ignored because I have made my point.

[Edited on 9-10-2005 by comitan]

jeans - 9-10-2005 at 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roberto

And, since I am not running for political office, nor seeking the popularity award, I really don't care what anyone thinks about it.
[Edited on 9-10-2005 by Roberto]

It seems to me your ego wants very much for us to know what you think.

Harping on DK is a very, very, VERY worn-out topic. Has it ever seemed to change anything? Of course not! Why do people still do it? Deal with it.

BTW, Roberto...a loud, angry voice carries quite a distance on calm, Bahia nights.

Roberto - 9-10-2005 at 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeans
BTW, Roberto...a loud, angry voice carries quite a distance on calm, Bahia nights.

ROTFLMAO. Is this something I'm supposed to care about?

[Edited on 9-11-2005 by Roberto]

JZ - 9-10-2005 at 04:58 PM

Roberto: did you ever take your boat down to San Carlos, Sonora. I know you were talking about it.

Roberto - 9-10-2005 at 05:12 PM

I was there for a trip of a couple of weeks, and now I'm thinking seriously about leaving the boat there on a more permanent basis - at least a year.

It's a great area in it's own right, all the facilities, good fishing, and 60NM from Santa Rosalia. Have you ever been there?

comitan - 9-10-2005 at 05:29 PM

For those who do not know the meaning of:ROTLFMAO:

ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY A** OFF.

I guess its got something to do with fishing.

JZ - 9-10-2005 at 05:37 PM

I have had my boat there since May 2004. Go down about every month or so.

Roberto - 9-10-2005 at 05:46 PM

Right now, the plan is to go down in the October timeframe. Probably a quick trip to get the boat situated at Marina Seca, so one day or two will be the most for actually going out.

What are the options for flying down? I know Hermosillo has commercial flights, what about Guaymas? When I was there I visited the airport, but couldn't get info on commercial flights.

JZ - 9-10-2005 at 06:06 PM

90% of the time I fly into Hermosillo. America West, Aero Mexico, and AeroCalifonia fly there. Usually, you can get a ticket for about $300-350.

America West flys into Guaymas through Phoenix. The prices are usally a good bit higher than Hermosillo. I actually have a place down there, it is on the channel at Marina Real. I keep the boat at Marina Seca.

We are thinking about going down in October once or twice. Giving some though to crossing over to Baja and going over to Mulege/Conception.

You should send a message the next time you plan on going down. I remember you giving me advice on the road conditions going down there the first time. That was about 2 1/2 years ago!

[Edited on 9-11-2005 by JZ]

Roberto - 9-10-2005 at 06:12 PM

Yes, I remember that "discussion". Hope the advice was useful.

A place at Marina Real, huh? Nice digs, I bet - we scouted those houses and there are some real impressive places that are well out of our price range.

When I was there in 2000, they were also building a new marina between there and Marina San Carlos. Looked like a private deal for a development that was going in.

Anyhow, thanks for the catch-up. I'll most definitely send you a message when things start to firm up and I can see which end is up. Will probably drag 2-3 people with me, two from this board, one not, but I don't want to give away any secrets. :lol:

Saludos

Sharksbaja - 9-11-2005 at 12:54 AM

Damn secrets :lol:

Mulege in October, perfect!

capt. mike - 9-11-2005 at 04:08 AM

hey you guys with boats positioned in San Carlos, need cheap rides to go use them? i go to guaymas monthly and can go more often if get pax to split $$. weekend drops and pick ups no problem.

need parts, service, maintenance, raised storage? The folks at Marina Mart are good friends.

www.flybaja.com

out of PHX or TUS or??????????

JZ - 9-11-2005 at 10:40 AM

Capt. Mike: I'm interested. Check your e-mail.

capt. mike - 9-12-2005 at 05:44 AM

ok JZ - yur booked! and during THE BEST WX!!

details to follow. but i blocked those dates for you.

BajaNomad - 8-3-2010 at 09:46 PM

bump