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no signal on odd transponders DTV

pocopero - 10-14-2005 at 08:56 PM

Since midnight 13 Oct DirecTV odd transponders have no signal except for transponder 29. Even transponders are showing higher signal value. This appears widespread from the East Cape to Cabo, Mazatlan and Guatamala. Anyone have any ideas. Some sugestions are that DirecTV has been able to reaim the antennas to restrict distribution to CONUS.

DirecTV Reception Problems - Channels Lost

BajaRescue - 10-15-2005 at 06:52 AM

My neighbor asked me to look at his system since he had lost several channels a few days ago, including MSNBC and CNN. At first, I thought it was an LNB problem until I checked my system and found I had lost the same channels. D'oh!

No signal on almost all of the odd transponders. I'm only seeing signal on transponders 2, 6, 8, 10, 14, 16, 22, 24, 29, 30 and 32. Tried to Google some information on this but I haven't come up with anything.

Anyone else having similar probs?

bajajudy - 10-15-2005 at 06:53 AM

There was a post on Baja Pony Express that people had lost channels in the Los Barriles area

Bajajorge - 10-15-2005 at 08:56 AM

DTV wonders why people use pirate receivers in the Baja. Cause they think they got the market cornered and can screw with people whenever they get the mind to.:moon:

burro bob - 10-15-2005 at 09:48 AM

Are These systems registered for use in the US or Mexico? Has there been any loss of Spanish language programing?
DTV's sattelites most likely have the ability to spot beam programing.
A friend from the Phoenix area recently had a similar problem when they took their receiver up by the Canadian border. They only lost the signals for the local Phoenix staions. My friend, who used to install systems for a living, could find no problems except that the transponders that had the Phoenis locals on them showed no signal.
Possibly DTV is fine tuning the area their transponders beam to.
The other explanation is that they have a major malfunction on one of their birds. The rumors I have heard about the latest DTV sattelites is that they are redundant systems .. ie there is two of everything. So they should have the ability to switch programs to other unsed transponders.
burro bob

DTV Spotbeam

MrBillM - 10-15-2005 at 11:20 AM

I can't speak for DirecTV, but on LEGAL or PIRATE Dishnet receivers, if you select a Spotbeam Transponder and you are not within the spotbeam footprint, you receive an error message which states that you are outside your designated viewing area.

In addition, on DISH, the only channels which are on Spotbeam Transponders are LOCAL network feeds. None of the premium channels, etc utilize spotbeam for obvious reasons.

BajaRescue - 10-15-2005 at 06:09 PM

In our case, these are legal systems in the sense that there is a legitimate stateside account. The affected transponders are showing 0 signal so this is not an authorization issue. DTV may have managed to relocate some of the satellite's spot antennas or they are suffering a major malfunction.

There is some discussion of this same issue here on the DBSTV Forum:

http://dbstvforum.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000235.html

and also

http://dbstvforum.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000122.html

Some hotel systems in Acapulco and in Manzanillo have reported they are currently missing some channels.

Bruce R Leech - 10-15-2005 at 06:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaRescue
In our case, these are legal systems in the sense that there is a legitimate stateside account. The affected transponders are showing 0 signal so this is not an authorization issue. DTV may have managed to relocate some of the satellite's spot antennas or they are suffering a major malfunction.

There is some discussion of this same issue here on the DBSTV Forum:

http://dbstvforum.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000235.html

and also

http://dbstvforum.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000122.html

Some hotel systems in Acapulco and in Manzanillo have reported they are currently missing some channels.



how can they be legal if you need to lie about where they are to get service?

[Edited on 10-16-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

bajalou - 10-15-2005 at 06:35 PM

I'm with you on that one Bruce. Unless Hacienda is getting a cut, Mexico doesn't think their legal.



:biggrin:

Saint Bruce

MrBillM - 10-15-2005 at 06:37 PM

Well, at last we've found "The" Honest man. If Diogenes stops by, direct him to Bruce.

MOST of us would say that paying the required price for a service that we receive would be legal enough, but not the Saint. He would NEVER violate ANY rule or regulation no matter how insignificant. Praise the Lord.

Bruce R Leech - 10-15-2005 at 07:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
Well, at last we've found "The" Honest man. If Diogenes stops by, direct him to Bruce.

MOST of us would say that paying the required price for a service that we receive would be legal enough, but not the Saint. He would NEVER violate ANY rule or regulation no matter how insignificant. Praise the Lord.


there is know gray area it is legal or it is not. and if it is not I don't do it . that is the way I live my life and it works for me. I am not going to tell you what to do, that is none of my concern. you should do what makes you feel good about your self.:light:

[Edited on 10-16-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

bajalou - 10-15-2005 at 08:11 PM

I really like to know whats legal and what's not - then I make my decision - not knowing the law doesn't make any sence to me at all.

Awed by the Blinding Light of Perfection

MrBillM - 10-15-2005 at 08:23 PM

The Wisdom of Saint Bruce:

there is know (sic) gray area it is legal or it is not. and if it is not I don't do it . that is the way I live my life and it works for me.
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As I said, we imperfect mortals stand in awe of a character so perfect that he would never break any law of the land, no matter how small or insignificant.

SOME of us break the law on a daily basis as we exceed the speed limit, massage our finances and tax deductions, etc. Of course, since we still feel good about ourselves after having engaged in criminal acts, I guess we're OK.

BajaRescue - 10-19-2005 at 08:27 PM

My comment was meant to point out that the signal problem is with authorized systems; not compromized, AKA pirated, boxes. At least the program providers are getting paid for access to their programs from the gray market.

Yes, I'm sure someone is breaking one or more laws somewhere. What would you have? Mexican border guards and military checkpoints confiscating every RVer's satellte TV and Internet dish passing South? Or maybe we should ALL pull over at the customs declaration lane every time we cross and delare the full retail value of everything in our car or truck?

"Darn, forgot that half-eaten bag of Cheetos under the front seat. Got to go back..." :saint:

C'mon. :rolleyes:

Back on topic, there is some word that the problem may be due to a recent replacement satellite moved to 101. Maybe the problem will fix itself...

losfrailes - 10-20-2005 at 06:54 AM

There is a pretty fair thread on this at Metcalfs board. Not a complete answer but at least a partial explanation.

http://www.math.ucr.edu/ftm/bajaPages/MsgBoard/messages/1970...

burro bob - 10-20-2005 at 08:28 AM

Check out the discussions on dbstvforum.com.
New bird with unknown capabilities being put into place.
While these systems might be legal and registered in the US. By international treaty it is illeagle for Direct or Dish to knowingly provide service south of the border. With the older satellites it was not possible to block out an area. The transponders were not really moveable. Now with newer satellites they can "shape" the area of coverage.
I would think that anyone further south than Brownsville Texas might have problems in the future.
One of the poster on the DBSTV forum asked if people in Baja Sur can get a usable Dish network signal? Here in San Felipe we get a very good signal, but then I am further north than Brownsville.
buro bob

Marinero - 10-20-2005 at 02:48 PM

Maybe the message in all this is that TV is not needed in Baja?

BajaRescue - 10-20-2005 at 08:37 PM

Maybe also shut off the electricity and phones, and get rid of the cars, right?

Bruce R Leech - 10-21-2005 at 06:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
The Wisdom of Saint Bruce:

there is know (sic) gray area it is legal or it is not. and if it is not I don't do it . that is the way I live my life and it works for me.
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As I said, we imperfect mortals stand in awe of a character so perfect that he would never break any law of the land, no matter how small or insignificant.

SOME of us break the law on a daily basis as we exceed the speed limit, massage our finances and tax deductions, etc. Of course, since we still feel good about ourselves after having engaged in criminal acts, I guess we're OK.


I'm am far from being a saint. I haven't always lived my life this way. and I still catch myself braking the law somewhere. but I try hard not to do so and correct my actions when I realize that what I am doing is wrong. I realize that I am living in Mexico by choice and if I cant live under there laws then I should not be here.

Marinero - 10-21-2005 at 09:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaRescue
Maybe also shut off the electricity and phones, and get rid of the cars, right?


That wasn't my point. I should have been less general. I meant to say that, for me, loss of TV in Baja would not be a big deal. I respect that others may have a different view.

Lawlessness

MrBillM - 10-21-2005 at 10:42 AM

As I drove South ayer between Mexicali and San Felipe, I thought about Bruce as I violated the posted speed limits the entire distance. The posted limit varies between 60Kph (40mph) and 80Kph (50mph). I felt really guilty as I drove at up to 70mph most of the way. The DEVIL made me do it. I am ashamed to admit that I am a sinner.

Though I have no experience with the DirecTV problems, I've heard from some who are experiencing problems on their DirecWay and when I booted up this a.m., my signal was down in the high 60s. It has normally been in the high 80s. No idea if there is any correlation there. Anyone else having problems or low signal strengh ?

bajaden - 10-21-2005 at 11:09 AM

Well let me see. I've got St Bruce ( according to sir William ) over here, and The devil made me do it Mr Bill, over there. Hmmmmm. Tough choice. I, of course, aspiring to be a saint, hasten to the side of Bruce, whom I know to be an honest man. Still, the urge to drive 80 miles an hour still burns in my heart.

Question of the day Willie. Why does someone's honesty upset you so much? Does it poke you in some moral spot thats been covered in scar tissue? I also am a sinner, but I do admire someone who trys to do the right thing. At least I can shake his hand without watching where the other one is.

rpleger - 10-21-2005 at 11:15 AM

I agree with Bruce about laws and customs where a person choses to live one should obey the rules, This is a private company and they should not be able to tell me where to live as long as I pay my bills.

I pay my monthly dues to Direct TV and I except to recieve it, no matter where I live.

Thinking about switching to Canadian TV, They don't care where you live and have much the same programing.

burro bob - 10-21-2005 at 12:11 PM

Richard
I am not sure you can get a signal from a Canadian satellite as far south as you are. Canadian satellite programming sucks and is more expensive. Even the Canadians don't want it, most of them get satellite programing from Direct tv or Dish. Yes It is illegal that way also. I am not really hung up on the legal/illegal thing. If anything I side with the pirates. They keep Direct and Dish on their toes.
Direct Tv is not trying to tell you where to live. It involves the sharing of bandwidth at orbital locations that cover North and South America in the Clark belt ( the place where satellites live). Mexico and Canada also want a piece of the pie when it comes to satellite programming. They want you to get your programming from a Mexican or Canadian provider.
I don't have a satellite system any more. I don't watch much TV, mostly Mexican soaps. You just can't beat "Los Sanches". What a story line and that Lisa is so hot.
burro bob

Bajaden

MrBillM - 10-21-2005 at 05:08 PM

If you haven't noticed by now that I LOVE to sarcastically poke needles at viewpoints opposing mine, you haven't been paying attention. There is NO ONE on this board that upsets me, primarily because I simply don't care. In fact, just the opposite. I revel in picking opposing viewpoints apart. Verbal jousting is a great way to pass the time when sitting around. I'm not here to make friends.

As far as which side to choose, by all means choose Bruce. Believe me, I won't have my feelings hurt. Some would say that can't be done.

"Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition"

comitan - 10-21-2005 at 05:13 PM

From what i've read Star Choice can be rec'd down here, and it has a fair amount of U.S. tv.

comitan - 10-21-2005 at 05:19 PM

Mr Bill

There you go spoiling the image, explaining how nice a guy you are underneath it all. I might even duel with you sometime,when i feel daring.

comitan - 10-21-2005 at 05:43 PM

Back to direct tv, I've been doing a lot of research on dtv forums, and here is what I come up with, they transfered all of the odd transponders from sat. 100 to DTV 8 which is sat. that has transponders that send spot signals, otherwise certain programs to specific markets. I don't think you will ever get them back. If you are lucky they will not transfer the even to that sat, but why wouldn't they, they sent it up there for a reason and everyone south of the border was not given any consideration. Don't forget there is always the old C band whick is what i'm using for the last year and i'm very happy with it.

my 2cents

wornout - 10-21-2005 at 07:57 PM

Ah, back on subject. I switched to Dish Network a while ago. I have an RV and had to send a copy of my registration in order to get NON-Spot local channels as Dish Network moved their local channels to a spot satellite a couple of years ago. I get locals out of LA and New York.

Directv may have the same thing (non-spot channels for RV'ers and truckers too) for what it is worth.

Spyderman - 10-21-2005 at 07:59 PM

If you buy the equipment and pay the monthly fee, doesn't that alone make it legal?

comitan - 10-21-2005 at 08:04 PM

You could do that and subscribe from the states, but as of now you would only get half the programing you pay for, and possibly soon none at all. Right now direct TV is not the was to go if you want to use it south of the border.

Bruce R Leech - 10-21-2005 at 10:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
If you haven't noticed by now that I LOVE to sarcastically poke needles at viewpoints opposing mine, you haven't been paying attention. There is NO ONE on this board that upsets me, primarily because I simply don't care. In fact, just the opposite. I revel in picking opposing viewpoints apart. Verbal jousting is a great way to pass the time when sitting around. I'm not here to make friends.

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yes and I don't mind at all mrBill because I appreciate your point of view . and I don't mind being controversial as long as long as you put your name on it. I only hate anon. posts.

bajaden - 10-22-2005 at 12:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
If you haven't noticed by now that I LOVE to sarcastically poke needles at viewpoints opposing mine, you haven't been paying attention. There is NO ONE on this board that upsets me, primarily because I simply don't care. In fact, just the opposite. I revel in picking opposing viewpoints apart. Verbal jousting is a great way to pass the time when sitting around. I'm not here to make friends.

As far as which side to choose, by all means choose Bruce. Believe me, I won't have my feelings hurt. Some would say that can't be done.

"Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition"


Ahhh!! So were on the same page. Point taken Mr Bill. However, credibility is a savored thing. Don't forsake it.

Now, how do I get the NBA package down here? I've got Sky, and forget how the person who sold it to me lied and said it would be no problem. Wait! Where's his credibility? Perhaps there is a double standard. Or, perhaps its just Mexico.

Spot-Beam Transponders

MrBillM - 10-22-2005 at 10:26 AM

Speaking only for Dish Network, which I use, the only channels which were switched to Spotbeam were local net packages. None of the other channels, including premiums were switched because there is no reason to. They did not go to this voluntarily. It came about as the result of complaints filed with the FCC by Cable TV interests arguing that they were illegally providing subscribers with local channels outside their viewing area. As a compromise, they were allowed to keep New York, Los Angeles and Denver on non-spotbeam transponders. I'm not sure if that remains true for Denver. I have a friend whose house was in Southwestern Colorado and he was receiving the Santa Fe feeds. They changed him over to Denver because they were putting Santa Fe on a spotbeam and he would be beyond the 150 mile radius of the beam.

wornout - 10-22-2005 at 08:19 PM

This is from a search at www.dishnetwork.com with the search word 'local channels for rv'. These are the only networks that are NOT on local beams, all the rest are locally beamed.

Programming -- Local Stations -- RV and Truck
If you qualify, you can receive up to two network packages (ABC, CBS, NBC or FOX) from your choice of 5 cities, Chicago, Atlanta, Denver, Los Angeles, New York, plus the national PBS channel. ... DISH Network is pleased ...
Modified: 10/5/2005 - Size: 11.5KB
http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/locals/rv_tru... [Summary]

Regarding RV waivers

MrBillM - 10-23-2005 at 10:30 AM

From Wornout's info, it is clear that Denver is still available, along with Chicago and Atlanta. Chicago surprises me because I had "thought" that back when I still had the Chicago stations on my "OTHER" Box, I couldn't bring it up because I was out of the viewing area, but I could be confusing it with one of the myriad other cities that were available at that time.

When I looked into the info on RV waivers, it was indicated that you could only qualify with "one" receiver which makes sense if you are truly an RV user. In my case, I currently have (4) receivers on my account so it wasn't a viable solution. I looked into it a couple of years back when I "Lost" my ABC-NY feed because of a spat between Dish Network and ABC. They settled their spat, but never gave me back the ABC-NY.