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Sharksbaja - 9-10-2006 at 02:49 PM

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I read somewhere here about domestic workers who were out of work because their gringo employers no longer had houses for them to work in, with future unknown



Where/who are they?? I'll put em to work.

Bring shovels, picks, wheelbarrows and gloves.

Bruce R Leech - 9-10-2006 at 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad
Besides short term support and relief efforts - which have been GREAT - what are likely to be the needs over the next few months, or for the next year or so?

I'm thinking about a way to continue with a fundraising effort here on the BajaNomad site (possibly minor), but would want it to be for real need/benefit specific to supporting recovery from the storm.

What would be of real benefit for any further funds that could be raised over the next few weeks/months?

Contact me privately if necessary - even to tell me you question this decision.

Thanks,
--
Doug



we need things to set up temp housing lots of plastic tarps propane cook tops cots and Bedding things like that

Al G - 9-10-2006 at 03:21 PM

Would it be of any help to form a group of craftsmen, from all industry's. to teach by way of community projects.
If this is something worth considering, why not post what you could participate in.
Of coarse I am speaking about a month or two down the road.

[Edited on 9-10-2006 by Al G]

crossing clothes

Gadget - 9-10-2006 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
God Bless all of You People!!!

There are many out there they would like to Help, that are Physically unable to do so.
Recently I placed many of my "Ole Baja Books" for Sale including an Original "Log of The Sea of Cortez" 1968 Edition along with several of Arnold Senteriff's Baja Airguides/
I will resubmit and sell with ALL the Proceeds going to the Victums of Juan and especially the Poor Mountain People.
Anyone can email me at Sonrisa1821@sbcglobal.net or Call 806-6221821 for the complete Listing and Prices/offers, that way will not Clog up this Great Board.
Anyone going down by Air, remember you can get an old Suitcase and fill it with Clothes -I extra suitcase will usually get through Customs.
I am also working on a large amount of clothing from a Church in Dos Palos Calif{about 15 miles off of Interstate 5 near Santa Nella Calif. and Hwy 152.
Will need some one to go by and pick them up.

Thanks Doug and everyone!!


FYI we tried to get 3 vans with clothes across in TJ that we collected through our church for the homeless shelter. One of the vans that was very full got turned back. We were told it was illegal to import used clothes into Mex. Same story at Otay. I guess the loads have to be small and un-obvious and you need to be a smuggler to help the less fortunate. We are trying to get a crew together to head down mid week. Collecting info from this site to make our plan. Thanks for all the efforts.
God bless

[Edited on 9-10-2006 by Gadget]

Pescador - 9-10-2006 at 05:35 PM

After sitting glued to my computer in Colorado (wishing I was in baja) and reading all the posts it dawned on me that by the collective efforts of all those that are involved a whole lot was accomplished. The cry of alarm was sounded and people from all walks of life got involved and did what they could do. Some got fundraising and collection started, some went door to door and interviewed people to see who was ok and who needed immediate help, some took pictures and posted stories on the internet, some (like Doug) stayed up all night to get his overloaded web site back up and functional, some called newspapers and media and got some coverage that was long overdue, and some flew their airplanes or drove their cars to get supplies across the border and into the hands of the people who were in need. This jumps in direct contrast to the bueracratic bumbling of the response to Katrina, which proves that if you want a job done successfully you probably need to do it yourself. I am impressed by how well everyone pitched in, rolled up their sleeves, and went to work. There is still a lot to be done but from where I sit listening to Bruce and others it does seem to be underway in a big way.

Gadget - 9-10-2006 at 07:44 PM

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How savvy were the folks trying to do the "importation"?

--Larry


Well Larry, one of the people in the van was myself and in my young and dumb youth I was successful ( if you want to call it that ) at moving.. how shall I put it, "goods" across the border. I figured since I was working for the Lord now and not the other guy, I would be honest and declare what we had. NOT! At least the guy in TJ was nice, the customs guy in Otay was very not nice to us. Anyway, we had fun once turned around giving most of the van load away to the poor folk along the border line right in front of Mr. happy.
Gadget

rts551 - 9-10-2006 at 07:55 PM

Gadget

Why didn't you just pay the Tax?

Gadget - 9-10-2006 at 08:07 PM

rts551

You can't pay import tax on something that is illegal to import into any country.
Gadget

Gadget - 9-10-2006 at 08:15 PM

On a slightly different subject before I call it a day. I saw a posted list calling for 4x4 help. Anyone have a handle on that one. I can't find it now. I have a very modified, all wheel drive full size Bronco with long travel suspension, 9500 lb Warn winch and lots of scoots. I am starting to think that may be my call as there is lots of stuff to get un-stuck. I can pull on something from 150' away, which a tractor can't always do. Thanks all
Gadget

Offroad - 9-10-2006 at 08:20 PM

Gadget -
Very nice of you to help out. Bottom line is that your good deed ended up in hands that appreciated your effort and will put the clothing to good use.
There was a reply on this site that Mulege has received more than enough clothing, so it sounds like everything worked out well and that your contribution went to some others in need.
Thanks for helping!

barnes - 9-10-2006 at 08:51 PM

Obviously--Bruce is telling us what to bring down--thank goodness he is on top of it-and informing us--re: all the other stuff--maybe bruce has his own comments????? My thoughts (when I can still think- I think) are this: The only way it will be good for us American wetbacls (gringos) and our good friends the Mexican people-we care so much for- is this--teach them-provide the necessary teaching tools--and teach them and do it for nothing-pay for it- (then for the more non-compassionate of us) they will be able to do the work we need done. If it was done that way in the U.S. then things might be better to. Some of you came up the hard way--and made it--we know - sometimes giving is wrong - if it goes to those that don't give a ---anyway. But with good intent and some sembulance of intelligence on who to teach (give a man a fish-or teach a man to fish) then it normally works. That basically says all I have to say about the long range future of Mexico-and all other countries -- including the USA--when we forget about our neighbors-then we hurt ourselves.

Enough said--even simple things like borrowing Home Depots" vcrs" on construction-duping them and providing vcrs(how many extra ones do you have in your home) Of course need someone to translate them into mexican(maybe Alacran(Paul) Simple things--what do you know that you can teach?? How many tools can you bring down that don't really mean anything to you any more??? Me too??

Through desperation and destruction a light can shine through! All of you have done so much on this site--and many of you are doing so much now in Mulege--No body is paying you - you are doing it because you want to or Have To-because that is the way you are--we all need more of you. Thank you. Joe Barnes and Betty

toneart - 9-10-2006 at 09:46 PM

I like and am paraphrasing Dave on the issue of getting donations through Aduana, which was in Questions and Answers:
The basic premise is, tell them what you are doing and what it is for. That usually works. If they turn you back, go back and try again.

Each crossing has a different dynamic. Those dynamics change
depending on the individuals involved. It is interactive. It depends on so many factors; the personalities of the individuals, their moods at the time, prejudices, lessons learned or not by previous border crossing experiences, how much sleep they've gotten,etc. In a perfect world this would not be an issue, but this is not a perfect world.

Bless you all. You are all working toward the same altruistic purpose, and apparently many are getting through.

toneart - 9-10-2006 at 10:20 PM

I have been told that The Mexican Military is in Mulege and has been providing security and is helping to clean out the flooded houses. They have also provided airlifts by helicoptor.Kudos to the Mexican Military if this is true.

It is my opinion that the recovery has to occur in two stages:
First-- getting people stabilized with food, water, clothing and temporary housing. Bruce has been telling us what is needed.
At the same time the clean up must be done before toxic mold sets in and creates a health hazzard. Also, the mosquito abatement must be done now.

Second--After the above is accomplished, the repair and/or rebuilding can begin.

Would it be possible for all people in all neighborhoods to share and pass on whatever workers you can assemble to help you, to complete the first priorities before the repair and rebuilding stage begins? Or, perhaps organize within your neighborhoods, but see that no neighborhood is overlooked.

Obviously, aid will have to continue long after the acute part of the crisis has passed.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-11-2006 at 02:45 AM

Does this old Heart good to see the reaction and Help from the "People Lovers". God has indeed "Blessed Youall!"

Glad to hear that Clothes are Abundant; How about the Kids in the Mountains????.
Some of you may be surpised at the ability of the Mexicanos to Survive and Live on the "Bare Essientials: I refer you to the Large Campo that was formed just before you went into Manadero many years ago. It was formed to Protest the Lack of Housing for the many incoming Workers-Result- The Govt. came in and started the Large Colonia on the Left, just before you get to the Military Stop going South out of Manadero.
The Power of Survivial- The Power of People in Large Numbers- It was a Peaceful Operation.

All of your Ideas are Great--Keep up the Good Work and Remember the Kids in the Mountains!!

Skeet/Loreto

BajaNomad - 9-11-2006 at 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
the Large Colonia on the Left, just before you get to the Military Stop going South out of Manadero.
El Zorillo.

And they've moved the military stop now.







[Edited on 9-11-2006 by BajaNomad]

This just in, and I promised to post it.

vgabndo - 9-11-2006 at 09:43 AM

From Patsi:

We just returned from Mulege and the damage is unreal. But there is good news. The power is back on and they have both water from the system and purified drinking water from Agua 2000. Every store that is able is open and well stocked. Grocery stores and tourist shops alike. Both gas stations are up and running and ice is available. The military is here and helping dig out as well as delivering food to those who lost everything. They make the rounds twice a day with food. I am not trying to down play the horror of this but it is getting better and help is here. There are such a resiliant, wonderful people--they can be in mud up to their elbows and they smile and wave as you go by and then throw another shovelful of mud out of the house. It's true that when they have a chance to see what they can salvage and what they cannot there will be a lot of things needed--I don't think there is one dry mattress left in all of Mulege--and I know from first hand experience how long it takes a saturated mattress to drip dry--But even those who were totally buried in mud have clean laundry waving in the breeze now. There is help here and hope is alive. But we don't want people to forget them either. Soon they will need so many things.

EngineerMike - 9-11-2006 at 04:40 PM

There are some dry mattresses at:
http://villaclairedelores.cabanova.com/
where the proprietress, Wendy hosted us Saturday evening. Dry beds & towels, tho water was still scarce & showers short. The patio shot is every bit as spectacular as the photo and more, and the sunrise over the mouth of Rio Mulege is second to none. Like many tourist businesses in Mulege right now, the help is "on vacation" due to lack of customers, so services are minimal and proprietors are doing 3 jobs to assist gringos attempting to go about post-flood business. Like the owner at Las Casitas restaurant serving, pouring drinks, etc., tho when we accused him of cooking also he said no, he had a cook.
Hats off to the proprietors, especially Wendy who picked us up @ Serenidad strip & helped manage distribution of donations thru the Bomberos. I highly recommend Villa Claire Delores, which is above the mosquitoes and below the clouds. For those looking for a bit of cardio work, take your mountain bike, park in town, and spin your way up the hill. Before descending, check brakes, helmet, pads, nerve and your life insurance premiums.

EngineerMike - 9-11-2006 at 04:52 PM

Gadget- They have a tow truck in town, but that winch could come in handy for a variety of heavy lifting. If you could rig a boom, like a cherry picker, you'd be a hero big time. Lotta boats to pick up & put back on trailers, to name just one chore (like take the boat off the car kinda thing).

Just need to decide where to stay. Hotels in town are somewhat to maybe full w/evacuees; Serenidad might have rooms & services working by the time you get there, try calling them or emailing. If you want to live the high life, try Wendy's (see above), and you'll have no problem with the driveway.
Cliff Taylor @ the Oasis is temporarily out of dry beds, needless to say, as is the Cuesta Real east of Oasis. Cliff will be sidelined for a while. I hope to see Cuesta Real open sooner, tho I didn't get down there to see what shape they are in (I'd guess about 4' of water/mud?).

In other news, Mely is doing a remodel for the next 2 weeks that he was planning before John hit the fan, so he's not open. He got a small amount of mud in the street, which should be cleaned up by now. Besides a mean taco, Mely can sure swing a shovel. According to him, there was heavy rain in town, but not that much. The real deluge was upriver a ways, and came through town as a flash flood with water rising fast. I hear that a couple fo times. Didn't find a viable rain gauge operator anywhere.

Gadget - 9-11-2006 at 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by EngineerMike
Gadget- They have a tow truck in town, but that winch could come in handy for a variety of heavy lifting. If you could rig a boom, like a cherry picker, you'd be a hero big time. Lotta boats to pick up & put back on trailers, to name just one chore (like take the boat off the car kinda thing).



Copy that Mike. I am heading down Wed AM, Thurs at the latest. Will spam all my friends and family for donations to bring as much rope and blue tarps as possible. Also bug spray. Any Nomads down there who see this and have a better need let me know. Look for the big blue GSB Bronco Wed or Thurs.
Gadget
mitchellsd@cox.net

BAJAmerican - 9-13-2006 at 09:31 AM

IMPORTANT :The Mexican Government has a well established disaster response effort in place throughout the country, with the coordination between Federal and local, and the assistance between States, impressive.
Sept 12, 200 stoves were delivered to the town to allow people to begin to become self-sufficient more quickly. Since the disaster, over 900 meals a day are served to residents. These types of relief are available to the American residents as well. It is important to be understood that Mexican services are available EQUALLY to American residents. (Note: these are not available to tourists without property here).
It is not clearly understood by some of the Americans here that there is NO DIFFERENTIATION made between needy recipients. Americans and Mexicans are EQUALLY entitled to government assistance, provided, of course that they are here legally and are registered as required by law, with FM3 and property title or legal rental documents.
There is a lack of info on what the American victims need, and who they are, for that matter. In order to qualify for aid, they must register with the Procurador Lic. Sergio Villareal Nogales 1 block from the Post Office. They must present themselves with whatever papers they have of residency or ownership. This process is extremely important to get an accurate assessment of total needs of the ENTIRE community, to distribute benefits equitably. He will provide written certification of their eligibility as "INDEMNIFICADOS". Without this paper, they are ineligible.
We will try to coordinate translation services for insurance policies. Those whose insurance covers their loss will not receive duplicate government aid ALSO. It is either /or, to allow greater coverage of benefits, and avoid double dipping. The greater likelihood is that Americans have NEITHER insurance, NOR register for available indemnification.
It is not that the Government has an intent of ignoring the American residents needs. These people NEED TO REGISTER as soon as possible. PASS THE WORD.

Also, OFFICIAL Govt info is on http://www.bahiasdebaja.com
Much other info is rumor and not official

There is no separate donation distribution for Americans and Mexicans. ALL clothes etc and other aid goes through the Mulege Fire Department. If you donate to other pass thru channels - individuals, Rotary, etc. make sure the funds go through the established channels.

RESIDENT Americans eating in restaurants - be careful the food is not local origin. Meat, chicken, etc from flood areas can carry SERIOUS disease.

Translation services for insured individuals will be noted on the site above.

EngineerMike - 9-13-2006 at 03:09 PM

This just in from Wendy at Villa Delores Claire in Mulege-

"...Here are some more lists of things...tooth brushes and tooth paste....childrens clothes......it seems we have a supply of clothes for adults. Bedding, sweaters things warm, as we shall soon be getting cold. Night time is already down in temp...days are still sweaty.....Thanks again....."

I'm packing all donations in Space Bags & sucking out all the air. They weigh like bricks when done, but are durable, and see-trhough. Then I'm writing the contents on outside w/marker in case contents isn't obvious enough to the handler. Garbage bags are pretty flimsy, and likely to be overweight. The stuff we took in the plane Saturday was coming apart by the time the Bomberos were offloading from the truck. If not Space Bags or the equivalent, use plastic trash compactor bags available at Costco, etc. They are tough enough for this kind of bucket-brigade handling.

BAJAmerican - 9-13-2006 at 03:46 PM

Yes, Larry, this is a real estate site, which parenthetically had the capacity to get material up and running, and information out quickly, (which services are being provided in their entirety without compensation as a public service to the community as longtime residents and philanthropic contributors.) Office space, telephone services, personnel, computers, I-T, meeting space and other services are being provided free of charge to the various government and agency and utility coordinators. No donations or govt money is being used for this activity.

In the aftermath of Hurricanes Marti & Ignacio in 2003 they provided the SAME service & were called upon to do so again by the Governor's office because of their proven performance in the past, in addition to being a major coordinator of donations from the US. & Canada, directed through established channels.

There is a separate link on the opening page for HURRICAN JOHN IN MULEGE that bypasses any commercial information.

Click it and it goes to the page created at the request of the BCS,& Municipal authorities.
http://www.bahiasdebaja.com/huracan/john.asp

The information uploaded are the offical reports from TelMex, CFE, SEP, SAPA & OTHER official agencies., which they supply daily to the site. The monitoring and supervision of the info is under the direct authority and scrutiny of representatives of the State of BCS, and other local officials including the Communications Director for this disaster, Guillermo Zuniga Rosas, appointed by Prof. Gajon de la Toba, Director of Proteccion Civil for BCS.

I think that about covers it, except that thanks to Shark for putting personal info on the forum. He neglected to mention Hugo & Josefina who are working 14 days contributing their time to the effort.

Hopefully everyone who is making a contribution of time or money or collecting donations or can be as effective as this group has been over several Mulege crises.

BajaNomad - 9-13-2006 at 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by BAJAmerican
The monitoring and supervision of the info is under the direct authority and scrutiny of representatives of the State of BCS, and other local officials including the Communications Director for this disaster, Guillermo Zuniga Rosas, appointed by Prof. Gajon de la Toba, Director of Proteccion Civil for BCS.
And how may this information please be confirmed?

Just as you mentioned, we want to prevent misinformation, and your "Newbie" status leaves a credibility issue that needs to be overcome in this particular situation.

(Your unprofessional "tit-for-tat" maneuver there [removed] didn't help with credibility either there by-the-way)

Thank you for your understanding and consideration.

Regards,
--
Doug

BAJAmerican - 9-13-2006 at 09:34 PM

Doug & Larry
You or anyone else may confirm it with the persons mentioned in the quote. I hope you and Larry appreciate I responded factually to your extremely legitimate questions.

The internet is not a private conversation, however, between people who know each other. Newbie/veteran status on this forum is but one measure of credibility. I am personally unacquainted with any of the posters, to my knowledge. Just passing on info in which I am confident.... professionally... verified by the sources mentioned, since I am not a source, only A conduit, one of many to be sure, hopefully contributory to solutions.

I don't have a problem with scrutiny or verification of what I post. Scrutiny and credibilty standards should be equally applied, though. The secondary posts to which I reacted in kind, were unworthy of the crisis , or this forum. Thanks again for removing them both.

Sharksbaja - 9-13-2006 at 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by BAJAmerican

I don't have a problem with scrutiny or verification of what I post. Scrutiny and credibilty standards should be equally applied, though. The secondary posts to which I reacted in kind, were unworthy of the crisis , or this forum. Thanks again for removing them both.


Likewise for me. I should have just questioned the lack of visible "endorsement" of the Govt of Mex of the material on the website, I was not questioning it's actual authenticity and factual content.
Thanks Doug for the corrections to this meaningful thread. Corky

Bruce R Leech - 9-14-2006 at 06:37 AM

Be vary careful who you send your money too there is some fraud going on right now in Mulege I don't know or cant say who are the bad ones but I can say That if you gave your Money to ether Sharks Relief Fund or Cobo Magic that more than 100% of your money is going to get to the people that need it. I'm sure there are others that are good but these 2 I can personally Guarantee

BAJAmerican - 9-15-2006 at 01:28 PM

Revised Address to Register as a person/family affected by the flood:

Americans & others with losses need to make a formal statement to authorities.(in Spanish- translation is avail) to qualify for subsequent assistance.

Can be very simple:
"I am_ . I own the prop at __________. (bring proof if avail)
I lost the house & THESE POSSESSIONS:___________________________
The local official Agent is Lic.Maria Isela Nunez Marquez
location is now at Ministerio Publico on the Main St across from Pemex Station in town. You will get a stamped certificate REGISTERING that you were here and lost property. This will be the only “proof” that will be considered in the future for any future relief emanating from Fed Gov in Mx City.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-15-2006 at 06:57 PM

Thanks BajaAmerican and to all of those who are Helping the People of Baja, Mexicano and Americano, Canadian and others.

My Prayers are with you All!

Hang in There and stay on High Ground, there will be Rain in the Mountains even if this next one veers to the NorthEast.

Skeet/Loreto

Smart and Final

Johnny - 9-21-2006 at 09:38 PM

Here is my thank you letter to Smart and Final. Stuff is on the way.:bounce:

I just returned from Smart and Final where I was able to purchase a large amount of food and supplies with the cash cards you sent me. Thanks so much for your generous donation. That was very kind of you and Smart and Final. I bought bleach, dust masks, plastic gloves, forks, cups, paper plates, powered drink mixes, beans, flour, salt, sugar, lard, garlic powder, napkins, anti-bacterial hand soap, and some pens and pencils. These things will be going to Baja, probably Mulege, with a volunteer driver asap. I and the people of Baja thank you. Love, April
:bounce:

A true friend

Sharksbaja - 9-21-2006 at 10:19 PM

of the people of Mulege you are. Good on you April!

lizard lips - 9-22-2006 at 08:06 PM

Has anyone in Mulege had any problems with your insurance companies not compensating you for your loss? A friend of mine there has been having problems with his and was even declined with the auto insurance.

If you have experienced any insurance problems please u2u me and I may be able to direct you.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-26-2006 at 03:44 AM

My Prayers are to all of the Old, New, and wantbe Nomads who have done so Much for the People of Baja Sur in there time of Need.
Just goes to show
what People can do when "People are in Need".

Does anyone have the Latest Airlines and Schedules in and out of Loreto from LAX?????

Would Appreciate the info, seems as if AeroMexico is changing their Flights after Oct. 2, and AeroCalifornia flying out of TJ only/

Remember if you are flying to take an extra Suitcase full of Clothes are needed Items.

God Bless You ALL.

Skeet/Loreto

reaction

Johnny - 9-26-2006 at 08:42 AM

You made me cry, Sharks. Thanks for acknowledging. I don't know what it is, but Mulege is my favorite place I've never been. I promise to release any sharks I catch in the future. Love.

EngineerMike - 10-13-2006 at 08:23 PM

Just back from Mulege w/USDA steak & salad properly consumed.

Delivered books and indicidual school supplies to the Social Workers at the Internado and Secundaria for delivery to the affected parties (Secundaria wasn't hit but Letty Cota will deliver all to familes that were washed out by the flood).
Martin @ the Internado and his wife were overjoyed for the contributions to their now nascent library, and made up packets of the small kids clothes for the rancho families, which their students will deliver this weekend when they get home. You should have seen the reaction to the small stuffed animals that are going to the Jardin de Ninos at the Internado!!!

A million thanks to all who sent sruff for us to deliver-
April Johnson of Escondido, CA for clothing, stuff donated by Smart & Final, cleanup supplies, etc.
Randall of Smart & Final, Escondido area
Giles of San Diego for school office supplies (greatly appreciated BTW cuz nobody else had thought of that), etc.
David & Singh of Couer d'Alene, Idaho for kid's school school supplies, clothing, and those impossibly cute stuffed toys
Carol McLaughlin, Tucson, AZ for books, books, more books & a globe

Whadalotta driving, so I'm going to take a siesta for a day.5

and EngineerMike

djh - 10-14-2006 at 09:13 AM

I'd like to add..... who did all of the advocacy, heavy lifting, and rabbelrousing (sp?) that enabled others to pitch in and help, and those in need to receive the help!

EngineerMike

vgabndo - 10-14-2006 at 01:24 PM

I'm still on line for any organized volunteer carpentry help, especially at schools. How does the need stand at present?

Late November time frame.

EngineerMike - 10-15-2006 at 09:45 AM

Vag- Just woke up, thanks for the reminder.

We didn't have time to get with city hall officials to try and organize a needs list. They were busy w/lines of folks attempting to collect assistance. We'll have to do that by other means that I'll initiate today. The schools are OK in that respect- military did the initial cleaning and the buildings are concrete block up to the water line and above for a ways.

The Internado had 4-post wood framed bunk beds. After military scrubbing, an inspector from LaPaz came & did a sniff test. Voila! New steel bunk beds & all new mattresses. The government response has been fantastic and continues to be (at least by Baja standards, but I'm not joking here- Guvmint reaallly stepped up). The 100 meter hole in the river road by Jorge's got filled while I was in town & that is now a dirt road stretch; hopefully paving will follow soon.

At any rate, projects at schools and w/individual families will no doubt be needed & appreciated, and I'll continue trying to figure out how to help organize that. My hope is to have a list whereby someone can commit before heading down to a piece of work, leave w/the tools & stuff necessary, hook up w/others if req'd or helpful, and then check off that work item when complete or render a status report so the next volunteer can pick up the ball. This may take a while, but these folks have been handed at least a 5 year setback financially, so any help will be much desired.

THANKS MIKE

vgabndo - 10-15-2006 at 12:02 PM

The library project also sounds "appealing".

You sir, deserve a medal. This is the best I can do at present.

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