I recently started a thread on the Baja California Travellers message board and thought I might find more information on this thread as I was made
aware that La Candelaria near Todos Santos is well known for it's curanderos.
Does anyone have any stories they can share about shamans, curanderos and sacred plants of the Baja peninsula?
Since traveling to many parts of Mexico in the past 12 years I have gained a deep fascintation with shamanism and magic (el brujo, curandero etc.). In
my spare time I am a practicing street magician and while living in the Yucatan in late 2000 - 2001 I was fortunate to meet and learn the raw basics
from a reclusive shaman who is revered in the Tulum/Coba area 90 miles south of Cancun. In the past 2 years I have read extensively about shamanism
(McKenna, Strassman, Narby) and the Western knowledge gained from North and South American indigenous peoples and their sacred plants.
Today I spent a few hours researching ancient cultures of the Baja, in particular the excellent article on "The Inner World of the Guaycuras" of the
Baja at the following link:
While staying at El Requeson for 2 months last year, I had the priviledge of meeting a fascinating knowledgeable local named Thomas, and this
fortunate bond of friendship set me on my quest to research shamanism in the Baja. Thomas has a deep understanding of local plants and shamanistic
practices he learned from his grandfather and told me that he would teach me more about the local medicinal/herbal plants and the sacred plants of
power of the Baja when I return to the Baja. I am hoping to do that some time this year.
I am curious to learn more about various sacred plants/medicinal herbs in the Baja and any stories that anyone can share would be appreciated.
RandyMac
A simple formula for a happier life:
"The more I have, the more I want.
The more I want, the less I have.
The less I have, the less I want.
The less I want, the more I have."
Plantas de Baja
jrbaja - 2-2-2004 at 12:59 PM
Hi Randy, I have been traveling throughout the mountain regions of Baja and documenting unknown caves and settlements from the past.
I am also researching medicinal and food source plants of the different regions. When I return to Rosarito in about 3 weeks, I will have photos,
descriptions and what the plants were (and are) used for. There is an incredible amount of knowledge regarding this topic and it has been preserved by
some of the families. They are compiling the list for me now.
I have photos and stories at http://groups.msn.com/TheBajasBestGuidesPhotoAlbum I hope you enjoy it.
[Edited on 2-2-2004 by jrbaja]Skeet/Loreto - 2-2-2004 at 01:24 PM
Randy Mac:
Your Quest is interesting. Many years ago while living in Loreto I was subkect to some of the uses of their various Mdeicines and found the use
interesting.
I was told at one time maybe 25 years ago that the American Medical Assoc. Had sent a Team into Mainland Mexico,where they had done a Study or
Comparsion with American doctors use of Drugs.
Do you know if this might be true and if so what is the Publication?
I would aslo be interested in any books you have written or may write in the Future.
Thank You Skeet/Loreto
Shamanism
academicanarchist - 2-2-2004 at 01:40 PM
There are several basic sources to look at. Miguel del Barco describes aspects of native culture, as does Luis Sales, who is mentioned in the article
posted on the web site you included in the post. There are also 18th century documents that describe the activities of shaman, usually called wizards
or hechizeros. The Bancroft Library has a 1744 report from Dolores del Sur that discusses shaman.Don Jorge - 2-2-2004 at 01:57 PM
Healing with Plants in the American and Mexican West by Margarita Artschwager Kay, University of Arizona Press. Comprehensive and well
researched. The bibliography is awesome!
If you are driving through Ensenada stop in Ej. Chapultupec south of town and look for the Arce family, well know healers. The father is gone now but
his children carry on the tradition and are very knowledgable.
Don't forget the women
Gypsy Jan - 2-2-2004 at 07:07 PM
Not to scold, but aren't you interested in the healing traditions amongst the women of the indigenous tribes?
Many years ago, on a mission to the local Kumeayaay (probably spelled wrong) reservatop near Ensenada, I woman who suffered told me that she suffered
from high cholesterol and high blood pressure.
She said that she had even traveled to relatives in San Diego (incidentally, the Kumeayaay, sp, again] in San Diego won the location lottery, they
have casinos now) and had been treated by doctors up there. The medications made her sick and, in addition, were difficult to obtain back at home.
So, she started making and brewing a tea that her elders had taught her about, a citrus tea composed of many ingredients.
When my husband was diagnosed about five years ago with high blood pressure and high cholesterol (he was and still is, admittedly twenty-five pounds
overweight and resistant to dietary changes away from red meat and eggs and bacon), I started looking for alternatives to invasive drugs with side
effects.
I remcalled my conversation of years before. We live in Northern Baja and I found a supplier of citrus tea that included the ingredients my friend
had mentioned. My husband has been drinking this tea for the last five years, except for when he goes on extended business trips.
He takes a monthly, or bi-weekly cholesterol test. When he is home, his cholesterol is under 200, sometimes as low as 160. When he is away, off his
schedule, his cholesterol sometimes surges to 280.
Each time, when he is home again and resumes his routine, his cholesterol lowers again to sub-200.
We have sent this tea to friends all over the world and received responses indicating similar experiences.
Unwestern medicine
jrbaja - 2-2-2004 at 08:19 PM
is something that has been hidden from us for years. The old remedies worked and the evidence is in the people that use them.
I have learned of cures, remedies, and just plain healthy things to eat, smell and just be around, that keep these people hiking, cutting wood, and
tending gardens basically until they die. Which seems to be at a healthy old age, with the clearest of eyes.
I have so far learned of cures for diabetes, plants for cleansing your circulatory system, any stomach ailments, heart problems and many others.
They are even aware of the many healing properties of Aloe. And there are many.
I have been trying to find out about a plant called Yerba de Manso. This seems to be a miracle cure but I can't seem to find too much about it other
than what they tell me in the mountains. Any of you guys heard of it ?
I have also been told about the brujas of the Todos Santos area as well as a few other places. The Mexicans in the mountains consider these Brujas
evil and
warned me against visiting them. I found this most fascinating and the vans broke just thinking about them. Cuidado Amigos. Mexitron - 2-2-2004 at 09:00 PM
Regarding "Yerba de Manso"--if this is the same plant which I know by the name "Yerba Mansa", it is Anemopsis californica. It is common as a
groundcover in wet areas such as palm groves, springs, and freshwater marshes. And yes it is reputed to be a cure-all, generally by making a tea or
wash and treating cuts, bruises, sore muscles, etc. It is also quite beautiful--if you've ever been thru a Baja palm grove and seen a plant with
white flowers and broad leaves--that's it...its common in Baja and California.
I've been aquainted with the fisherman who owns Faro San Jose for some years...when I first met him in 1992 the doctors told him he had only a year to
live because of a failing heart--but they(?) told him to use Creosote Bush(Larrea sp.)(as a tea I think) to treat the ailment...pappy and I stopped by
in 2003 and he's still going strong! So who knows!?
Norman Roberts "Field Guide to Plants of Baja California" has brief but interesting notes on medicinal uses of many Baja Plants.
Yerba de Manso
jrbaja - 2-2-2004 at 09:19 PM
Thanks Tron. It sounds really similar but the "Manso" grows right in the water. Could it be the same ? I have pics. of it at home. I wouldn't
consider this a ground cover but I'm just learning about these things and it may grow on land as well.Mexitron - 2-2-2004 at 09:26 PM
Yah, I think its the same--it grows in shallow water too....groundcover is kind of a loose term, but it does spread by tendrils and create patches of
plants--I'd post a photo but my scanner's buggy today.....good luck with the research! I'll post if run across anything else.Natalie Ann - 2-2-2004 at 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by jrbaja
I have also been told about the brujas of the Todos Santos area as well as a few other places. The Mexicans in the mountains consider these Brujas
evil and
warned me against visiting them. I found this most fascinating and the vans broke just thinking about them. Cuidado Amigos.
And so, J.R., your van break down is a product of your own superstitions and imagination? Tsk, tsk. I too had heard warnings about the evil
brujas... but what it seems is that in La Candelaria there are an extraordinary number of people who heal not only through plants & herbs, but using
trance states, dreaming, various approaches to shifting psychic energy, etc. Treat not only the physical but also find the bothersome energy (or
"spirit") and assist in its release. This then would be more what one might call "white magic", which was probably guiding your way right up until
you became a doubter.
Actually I am especially interested information about La Candelaria in particular. Anybody ever been there? Impressions?
Wow! This is better than using search engines!!!
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-2-2004 at 11:46 PM
The responses to this thread are fantastic. It beats any search engine hands down, especially when people share their insightful experiences with
others. I won?t be getting much sleep again tonight with all the incredible resources put forth on this thread. Thanks very much for sharing your
stories and I hope to frequent this thread and learn more from each and everyone who posts.
How did I get interested in shamanism and the Baja?
I had travelled many times to Mexico before, but made plans to visit other places in 1998. I wound up catching some bizarre tropical virus while
trekking through the jungles in the Dominican Republic on one trip in 1998, and spent many months recuperating at home in Vancouver. There were times
that I thought this roaming virus had cooked my lid as my whole body would bake then freeze with violent shivers. The specialists told me the weird
visions I was experiencing during this time were probably as result from an old hockey head injury and short span tempolar lobe seizers. In September
6, 2000, I walked into the software company I founded and resigned, cashed out some stock a few weeks later (should have cashed it all out), and set
out for the jungles of the Yucatan in search of ancient knowledge, remote mayan ruins and the mysteries of indigenous shamanism. The doctors warned me
that it might be suicide to head back to remote jungles, but I can?t explain it. Something compelled me to walk away from all the stress and seek a
different lifestyle. Perhaps it was all the books I read while recuperating or all the rain in Vancouver in the fall? While in the Yucatan, I met and
was told by a mayan shaman that I would go through a very trying experience within the year, and eventually gain spiritual freedom, but only after a
few more journeys to other areas with indigenous healers and teachers. I didn?t know exactly what to make of it all, whether it was all bunk and
bull or what, as I do not consider myself one of those new age spiritual types, and I am definitely no Castenada follower or seeker of the so
called new age Yaki Way. It all sounded too strange to me at the time. In a few months of this weird encounter, I received an email from my brother to
immediately call home. He informed me that my now former friend of 20 years and the lawyers pillaged the company that I founded/financed and that they
shafted all the shareholders, including myself. I eventually drove 5800 miles back to Vancouver a few months later to sort out the mess and try to and
salvage things, but finally decided to take the shamans advice. I walked away from the whole mess and gave up everything to live a simpler life.
In October 2002, I made a beeline for the Baja, and much to my chagrin, it was the best decision I ever made. My eight months in the Baja in 2002-2003
opened my eyes to a whole new world, especially the many things that money can?t buy. Meeting wonderful people from all walks of life. Many on their
own journeys. It?s no wonder so many people make the Baja their place of choice to unwind in winter, or year round. There is so much to learn, see and
do, and so many people to meet.
I recently read 2 books: DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman and Cosmic Serpent: by Jeremy Narby and their particular area of study of DMT, or
the spirit molecule as they refer to it. I have read extensively about Ayahuasca brew, considered by the Amazon's tribes as one of the masters
'teacher plants'. The shamans of the Peruvian Andes and Amazon jungle have used it for centuries as an essential part of their traditional medicine
and as a way of expanding consciousness or the curanderos (healers) 'path to knowledge' through visionary experiences.
Did or do the Baja shamans use spirit molecule plants to communicate with and gain knowledge from plants as so many leading ethnobotanists believe?
Now that my fascination and focus is on spending more time in the Baja, my curiosity is peaked about the Baja and the ancient indigenous tribes, and
their ancestors and whether they had (still have) their own spirit molecule or teacher plants. Perhaps I will read about some of the hidden secrets of
the Baja curanderos one day on this thread?
Until next time, all the best and I look forward to reading more stories of the Baja and all those hidden pieces of knowledge.
RandyMac
Just one of the many remote ruins that I ventured to in the jungles of the Yucatan. This small maya ruin is rarely visited by anyone other than the
Maya.
photo of maya ruin in Yucatan
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-2-2004 at 11:53 PM
Hope this attachment feature works this time.
A photo of one of the many remote ruins that I came across in the jungles of the Yucatan. This small maya ruin is very rarely visited by anyone other
than the Maya because it is so remote. I wasn't allowed to use my camera with the shaman around.
On the way out of the jungle my friend Kenny and I found what we thought was a baby kitten and shot some awesome video. Turned out to be a baby jaguar
so be beelined it out as quick as we could before ama came back.
Baja's E.T.
David K - 2-2-2004 at 11:54 PM
It's been so long, I almost forgot about what originally brought 'M' to Amigos de Baja... She was curious if anybody experienced the strange goings on
at El Tomatal (Baja's E.T.), that she and her companion had experienced. I made a web page for her story: http://davidksbaja.com/etRandyMacSC/SO - 2-3-2004 at 12:38 AM
jrbaja, Skeet/Loreto or anyone else?
Have you ever driven from Loreto over the Sierra Del La Gigantes to San Javier area?
On December 23, 2002 I drove my little 4x4 down from my camp at Playa El Requeson, past the military checkstop on the way to Loreto and then half way
down a long straight stretch I took a right off the highway to go to San Jose Comondu, and San Migel Comondu. It wasn't the best road, but it was an
adventure. Kind of felt like I was in Conan Doyle's Lost World when I got to the top of this bumpy road and looked down into the valley.
I did the fully dressed up Saint Nick thing with the stuffed reindeer (peniatas) on the front hood and delivered sports equipment and candy to the
people and their kids. It was a great trip. Of the many things I saw, what really was noticeable was how many of the locals had piercingly turquoise
blue eyes in the area (children and adults). Something I hadn't seen in other parts of the Baja.
I didn't spend as much time as I wanted as I wasn't equiped for staying many nights, and on the way back I made a wrong turn and wound up in San
Javier, a quaint little mountain oasis village of 350 people. I stopped for a cold drink and met a local ranchero. He told me that it was too late to
head back the other way and suggested I follow him before dark as his ranch was not too far away on the road out to Loreto. The scenery up there was
beautiful. Parts of the road weren't the best, but considering, it was well worth the trip.
I stopped at this amazing ranchero at about 7:30 in the evening and enjoyed some home made wine with this kind soul. He said he was all alone or solo
in building and upkeeping his ranch. He had everything. Running well, fruit trees, vegetables, pigs, goats, cattle, and best of all pomergranites, my
favorite fruit. I left at 9:00 and after a long drive in the dark I finally made it to Loreto.
He invited me back to this area any time and I might head up that way some time later this year. I am considering taking my 21 foot motorhome up there
after checking out the road first with my 4x4. I thought I could learn more about the area camped for a few months in this area than sitting on the
beach. Not that the beach is a bad thing.
If you have been to this area, it would be great to hear about you experiences.
RandyMac
My connect to an Indian medicine women from Canada
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-3-2004 at 02:04 AM
Perhaps one of the other main reasons why I am so fascinated about this subject of Indian shamanism and sacred plant medicines is my blood relation to
an amazing Indian medicine women Katherine Bareau (Conner). Educated in 8 European languages by the church priests and nuns in her birth place of
Saint-Boniface Manitoba and she knew many Indian dialects. She knew Sitting Bull, and other famous Indians of yester-year (late 1800's) in Canada,
North Dakota and Montana. She married my great-grandfather Thomas Conner in Montana. He was a buffalo hunter and tracker and came from Tennessee. She
knew Canada's famous Metis freedom fighter hero Louis Riel as she was the Indian Interpreter and medicine women (Canadian Indian version of a
curandero) to a General in Fort Gary Saskatchewan in 1870-until the earlier 1900's.
Picture of my great-grandmother on her 100 birthday taken some time in the 1930's is shown below. My family has many Indian and Custer army artifacts
picked up the day after the Battle of the Little Big Horn in Montana back in the late 1800's.
My aunt and mother always told me she was an amazing lady, but they also said she was misunderstood for her prophetic visions and was chastized as a
witch by the local European settlers as they remembered all the fuss when they were very young back in the late 1920's and 30's when she was still
alive. Even though she was branded a witch by these settlers, many of them came to her and brought their children to her to be cured of the deadly
diseases an ailments of those days.
As we will see with what is going on with SARS and bird flu etc, the medical professionals will have to start taking these ancient plant cures and the
curanderos more seriously. History may be written by the victors, but history changes every day as more and more people investigate alternatives to
popular known history and the many secrets contained therein, especially medicinal plants and their cures. Instead of being seen as savage ignorant
peoples as they were once branded, the indigenous Indians of North America and their many shamans (curanderos) will probably save us all one day.
I do believe one of the last bastions of this sacred medicinal magic are the many peoples of Mexico and the Baja.
If only photos could talk?
RandyMac
Strange Goings on at Baja's El Tomatal?
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-3-2004 at 02:41 AM
David K or jrbaja or anyone else,
Have you ever came across any medicine wheels in the Baja? And do any of the petroglyphs in the Baja that you have come across look like this one from
northern Canada?
Perhaps this is what David's friend has found at El Tomata in Baja? There are many ancient medicine wheels in Alberta Canada and their archeological
history is very well documented.
Maybe their are many medicine wheels and sacred stone medicine circles in the Baja lying on top of some magnetic earth's core anomaly? Is this what El
Tomata is sitting on?
Scattered across the plains of Alberta are tens of thousands of stone structures. Most of these are simple circles of cobble stones which once held
down the edges of the famous tipi of the Plains Indians; these are known as "tipi rings." Others, however, were of a more esoteric nature. Extremely
large stone circles - some greater than 12 metres across - may be the remains of special ceremonial dance structures. A few cobble arrangements form
the outlines of human figures, most of them obviously male. Perhaps the most intriguing cobble constructions, however, are the ones known as medicine
wheels.
If you have photos or information on medicine wheels of the Baja it would be interesting to see if there are any direct similarities to those found in
Alberta Canada?
RandyMac
randy Mac - know anything about
capt. mike - 2-3-2004 at 05:26 AM
salvia divinorum? I understand its use is widespread among certain mountain tropic regions' shamans in mexico. a mild hallucinagenic herb used for
trances.
El Tomatal is Baja's E.T.!
David K - 2-3-2004 at 07:43 AM
This subject was quite a well discussed one on the Amigos board... all started by 'M'
Randy, San Javier is generally the first stop to deliver donations. Francisca Arce is the caretaker of the Mission and it is mostly her realtives that
live in the area.
This time, we went up there and then drove over to Poza Grande at the north end of Bahia Magdalena. Definitely not motorhome material!
We have some really good pictures of the area which either Herb will put up on his site or I will put on mine when I return.
Hopefully Herb will see this and give us his site address because I don't have it with me. Mine is http://groups.msn.com/TheBajasBestGuidesPhotoAlbum
I have pics and stories of all my trips down here with Baja Search and Rescue, the Confluence expeditions and just plain nonsense as I am so well
known for.
The area west of San Javier is quite interesting and fairly remote with lotsa hidden away ranchos. As always, the people are wonderful and full of
smiles. There are some really pretty areas so park the motorhome at San Javier and take the truck.
I have been spending most of my time in the Gigantas near Mission San Luis Gonzaga and in the Sierra de la Lagunas further south. All of these areas
have different species of plants and most of them have a medicinal or food use which I am just finding out. Bring seasonings with you. hahahahahaha.
And thanks again for the most interesting, fact filled thread I have seen on this board.Natalie Ann - 2-3-2004 at 09:20 AM
Capt. Mike - re: salvia divinorum... have a neighbor who grows it and munches leaves throughout the day. He gave me sprouts and I
grew some and tried it as both smoke and tea. Extremely bitter - alum like. Was quite interesting in that it made me feel like a great big man. I
mean, physically my body felt larger and more dense in areas where men are typically more muscular than women, like upper back and arms; it was
difficult to get acustomed to moving in that new body. When I looked down seemed like I was maybe 8-9 feet tall. Gave me nice colors along with a
lot of "doing" energy... I sawed off a large dead tree branch, humped soil and compost and dug big holes for new plantings (not, incidently, of the
salvia divinorum). Sensation of being quite firmly connected/grounded in the earth with accentuated colors bouncing off the sunlight.
Got no particular insight. Reasonably short high when you don't slowly munch it. Haven't really wanted to do it again because of the decidedly
masculine effect. Interestingly, my neighbor feels it helps him better understand the feminine psyche. Natalie Ann - 2-3-2004 at 09:24 AM
Randy - Ayahuasca (sp?) is a bit like being totally drunk and doing acid at the same time. The psychic/visionary part of the
experience cannot be put into words... at least, not by me. Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2004 at 10:20 AM
RandyMac. Yes I have been on that roaed and in that Area many times?The man who Worked at Rancho Sonrisa and helped build it was born and rasied in
San Javier. I wiil get togather my thoughts and get back to you! I am in the middle of Birthing my goats and most of them are having Twins so It will
be a couple of Days! Skeet/LoretoNikon - 2-3-2004 at 01:03 PM
The first person to describe Ayahuasca to me me said one could speak to ones mother in Ohio from Peru without the use of a telephone. Indeed, when I
first saw its description in a book of plants, it was described as telepathic.
Coca
academicanarchist - 2-3-2004 at 04:04 PM
There are many medicanal plants used by native peoples in the Americas. Years ago, when I lived for a year in Bolivia, and also during a previous trip
to Bolivia in 1985, I drank mate de coca. Tasted really bad, but helped for numerous small ailments. We had a small dog, and gave it mate de coca when
it had a stomach problem. Cured the dog quite rapidly. RandyMacSC/SO - 2-3-2004 at 04:17 PM
Betcha your dog was capable of doing multiple backflips after receiving the invigorating brew.
Question. Where does one put there avatar picture so it shows up. Do you have to have a photo account. I used My Yahoo photos and the URL would not
work properly.
Any suggestions of where I can put a small 6k jpeg file so I can use avatars? Much appreciated.
RandyMac
Randy Mac
Skeet/Loreto - 2-3-2004 at 04:30 PM
I have a break between Mother goats!!
Jose Rodrigo Romero Agular who lives in Loreto at Pino Suares # 52 e/Padre Kino
Col Jaral, Loreto
Tele; 011-52-613-50732
This man was born and and grew up on the Small Ranch bery near to "Ranco Viejo" on the road from Loreto. He attended to his Family goats and Wondered
and Walkde allover those Mountains. He knows of many places for ArrowHeads as well his is very knowledge to the plants and their uses.
He is not and educated Man but one of the best Men I have ever known!!
He is somewhat difficult to understand as he still speaks "Mountain Dialect" but if you would like any infomation from the "True Source" contact him
and tell him that "Mosco Spoke for Him"
All I ask is that you treat him Like a Man!
He has many Mouths to Feed!
Skeet/LoretoNatalie Ann - 2-3-2004 at 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Nikon
The first person to describe Ayahuasca to me me said one could speak to ones mother in Ohio from Peru without the use of a telephone. Indeed, when I
first saw its description in a book of plants, it was described as telepathic.
Yes, really raises whatever telepathic abilities one has. I experienced it as part of an apprenticeship, for lack of a better word, in heightening
one's intuitive and telepathic sense. One day I hope to continue that form of study and learn more about working with these powerful plant agents.
J.R. - do you have a picture of the yerba de manso you have seen (said it was different than photo posted on this thread)? I'm told
it also grows way up here (find that hard to believe).
Nomados Muy Locos
jrbaja - 2-3-2004 at 10:13 PM
Skeet, to send someone to someone else for knowledge and advice and then say they are uneducated seems very religious like to me. Who is really
unedeekated here? If I were you, I'd lay off that doo. Do! You are way more intelligent than that.
Natalie, I have pictures at home but not here. I am going back up there (to the mountains) and will take more. It has continued to be a very
mysterious plant in spite of local knowledge and advice from here. That is a different story though. The quest continues as I am even more interested
now. And then there's these other plants that ???????????
And for the rest of yall, these drugs yer discussin here have been or about to be declared by the FDA, and those that promote alcoholism, to be
harmful to your health and highly illegal. If you want proof of the destruction they cause, watch "Reefer Madness".
I hear the Poza Grande Holiday Inn is having a special showing in the next few weeks. I'll keep you uninformed.Skeet/Loreto - 2-4-2004 at 08:39 AM
JR. I was trying to prepare for a meeting with someone who has been very close.
I was trying to give a description that maybe, just maybe would allow some one Who might not have knowlege on how to treat People of that Culture.
I would venture to say that he is much more of a Man than many on this Board!!
Maybe on your next Trip to San Javier you should ask Francesca the Story about the People who brought "Cancer Causing Pills" from the States and tried
to pass them out Free to the women of San Javier Listen to Them!!!Skeet/Loreto
Canser causing pills?
jrbaja - 2-4-2004 at 09:12 AM
Skeet, please let me know about this one. Reminds me of some indians that used to live in Norte America. Please fill me in.RandyMacSC/SO - 2-4-2004 at 09:28 AM
Plants of Power BBC Series.
As the well known Dr. Andrew Weil said, "Western society all to often abuses, instead of uses mother natures plant substances for learning and
knowledge to heal. I learned a considerable amount from the following online radio program available for free online.
BBC Series: Plants of Power.
The BBC series can be found online and the experts discuss how different cultures throughout history have used mind altering plants for intoxication.
There is a little audio symbol in front of each of the following subjects and it's a fascinating series.
Plants of Power: how do they work?
Plants of Power: how is the brain affected?
Plants of Power: when is a plant a drug?
Plants of Power in nomadic societies.
Plants of Power in traditional American communities.
RandyMac
Re: Respect for other people and their cultural
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-4-2004 at 05:47 PM
Skeet, jrbaja.
I've experienced first hand how some people can be so disrespectful to the local people and their cultural. My parents taught me alot, some I forgot,
some I didn't follow enough, but I never forgot what they taught me about respect for other people and their cultural differences and walk in life.
A Little story for you.
WOUND TOO TIGHT: The Mural and the Polisher
Some people thought Polishing Pedro Chavez wasn't educated, knowledgeable or trustworthy enough to give him the time of day. I ignored what they said.
I was always all ears when my new friend Pedro came by to visit and do his thing at my camp. He helped make my stay in Mexico enjoyable.
He taught me alot of some things I had forgotten in life, especially after my being all wound up and too tight from my years in the software industry.
He taught me how to visualize and make dreams happen in art, and work with my hands in different ways.
A few weeks earlier I had stopped working on a mural for a local expat from Texas who stayed a few palapas down the way. High Heidi was just too much
to take, and she treated the locals with such disrespect. I had agreed to paint a mural for her at no charge on her palapa wall, but I didn't realize
what I was getting into before I really got to know her.
She lacked respect for the locals and she even disrespected me. So I stopped mid-mural, and walked away for it. I had never stopped any artwork that
I had started before. But then again, I hadn't painted in 17 years, and nor had I painted for free for such a person. Design of graphic art tools
(software) on computers became my thing for 16 years before heading to Mexico. The mural was my ticket back into self expression. High Heidi proved to
be too much. It was discouraging, but she didn't deserve my time or the mural.
Polishing Pedro always said to me...don't make assumptions about people. Let them express themselves. See beyond what other people see and do and look
to what you believe in, and you can make anything materialize. Those who live with anger lose everything eventually.
One day I was sitting with my friend Polishing Pedro, having a cold drink after he was finished doing his thing. I enjoyed to relax and chat with him
about his day and many other things. I knew a little spanish and he knew a little english, but we could always communicate. On this occassion Pedro
had dropped by the beach camp after searching for new customers up and down the corridor. As usual for his routime, he would wash and wax my little
black 4x4, before heading home to his family. I would usually give him a ride to the collectivo or home.
Car, truck and motorhome detailing was his craft, and what he did to support a large family. He had done this for over 30 years. He wanted to hire
some help, someone who knew english a little better than he, but said he couldn't afford it. Some days he would be happy, and others a little sad.
Some days he would describe how people would be real rude and shoe him away from their camps in anger, (mexican and gringos) without even so much as
letting him communicate the why's and how's of his craft, but he didn't let it discourage him too much. Each time I would hear of the communication
barrier that my friend was experiencing, I would get an idea and visualize how pictures and common symbols could help change this situation for my
friend. Design of software for international markets and different cultures taught me a few things, and I thought I could use it to help my friend.
I always tried to help Polishing Pedro do the finishing touches on my once dirty 4x4, but he would never let me polish with him. I could help wash,
but I could never help him do the finishing artwork, as he would call it. He said I should sit and enjoy the beauty as it materializes. He said I
shoud try to visualize the possibilities of objects around me and dream of what they can truly become, if only I believe.
Polishing Pedro was an artistic genious at work. I spent most of my time out of the camp taking my 4x4 all over to explore, but it always looked good
a day or two after I came back from a mountain trip. It seemed to drive so much better after my friend came by to do his magic, and share some stories
over a cold drink, before heading home to his family.
One day, my 72 year young friend Kenny Coleman (PranaMan) came by in his 1988 gray Ford Taurus. We were supposed to go into town in my Little Blacky,
but Pedro wasn't finished with it yet. Pedro motioned for me to go ahead and keep my promise with Kenny. Pedro said he had a big rig to do his thing
on, and would see me in a few days.
On the way into town, Kenny commented to me why he didn't let Pedro do his thing on what Kenny described as his, "ugly 4 door gray Taurus heap of
crap. "It wasn't worth trying to clean and wax," Kenny said. It wasn't because he didn't want to pay the price for it like some other people in the
camp thought.
I said to Kenny, "Where you see crap, I can see a yellow Mercedes Benz 500SL convertible Kenny. The car you always dreamed of owning and driving into
town is in here, in this Taurus. I can see it." Kenny laughed and said, "What were you and Pedro smoking earlier today?" I continued describing how
the yellow would look, and Kenny finally said, "You really see a beautiful convertible in this piece of garbage, don't you?"
On the way back from town, Kenny agreed to let me proceed with my vision. Within 3 hours we had the roof cut off his beasty old car. I video taped the
whole event in action. Just like keystone cops on fast forward. What a laugh. A few camp neighbors came by and told Kenny he was crazy to let me talk
him into such a stupid thing. High Heidi even came by to tell Kenny I would never finish it, and that I would only $&*% it up, and how he wouldn't
have a car to drive. Kenny replied, "It's a beater, so what? RandyMac says he see's something much different than what you and I see, so I believe in
what he sees." An older fellow walked away shaking his head and said, "he's gonna make a mess of it." High Heidi laughed and walked away. Over the
next few days she made it a point to tell everyone how fooolish Kenny was for trusting me. I paid attention to my craft. Kenny helped.
Within 3 days we watched the old Taurus being further transformed as it was being painted by a shade tree mechanic slash auto repair, slash painter in
town. On the 5th day we put the 20 dollar Mercedes logos on the front and back hoods that we picked up at the dealership in the larger city to the
north. On the 6th day Kenny and I riveted a cover on the back where the window used to be, and covered the sharp edges on the top of the front
windowshield. It was taking shape day by day.
On the 7th day, Kenny used my port-a-vac inside his car, while I painted the stickman mural on each side quarter panel of his new car. As I put the
finishing touches on the Born to Be Wild stickman font in spanish and english, Kenny would walk around to admire his new convertible. It was as if
everyone felt his exerience. One by one, the naysayers came out of their trailers and camps to see Kenny jump behind the wheel of this bright yellow
car with the 'Born to Be Wild' murals painted on the sides. It was great to see Kenny, smiling from ear to ear with four of his lady friends from camp
driving around before heading off to town for the afternoon. Three sat up on the back as they left, waving back at me as if they were in a parade. As
they passed by High Heidi on the road out of camp they all laughed. They had all had enough of her act. Kenny would never stop and let her in.
I sat down and relaxed in the joy of finishing what I started for my deserving friend. The cold beer was good. Pedro taught me alot about art.
Polishing Pedro took the same care in polishing the new car in camp over the next few months, and would never let Kenny help him with the finishing
touches. He let Kenny wash, but never polish. Pedro laughed at the mural and said it looked so much like Kenny. We shared cold drinks together and
swapped stories. Kenny would alternate and drive Pedro to the collectivo or home to town. What a trip to Mexico.
Before I left to head north, I handed my wonderful friend Polishing Pedro 2 plastic coated brochures and some paper brochures and thanked him for his
friendship and kindness. Inside was months of documentation and presentation of a genious at his craft in plain spanish and english. Photos, icons,
with spanish and english subtext in a full color format that I thought would help him describe the why's and how's of his wash and polishing craft so
that potential new customers would understand what he was trying to communicate. Polishing Pedro always said that the often meddlesome salt air of
paradise transforms the manifest into dust if left unchecked. I agreed. It was good that I brought my portable laptop and printer with me to Mexico.
I received an email from a friend a few months after arriving back in Canada. He told me how my friend Polishing Pedro gained many more customers and
how he hired 3 new employees to help him learn his carft. The brochures and plastic covered presentation piece was helping him communicate the
benefits of washing and waxing. A $60,000 motorhome is worth protecting don't you think. He said to me, "Polishing Pedro says hello. Wash and wax
Blacky, it'll drive better." I laughed and smiled. My friend Pedro.
My friend Kenny died within a year from an unfortunate hiking accident. Two weeks before this, he gave that once gray, but now bright yellow
convertible to one of our friends to enjoy and polish to a glittering sheen before driving it into town. Polsihing Pedro enjoys amerillo.
----
I try my best not to make assumptions, and try my best to see what other people are truly trying to communicate. Especially on the threads and
Internet. I never thought I could transform that car until I learned to believe in what I visualized again. Sometimes I quest for natures assistance
to help me visualize things that are a little beyond my grasp. Polishing Pedro taught me alot about things in Mexico and the world that I didn't
understand. He knew alot about plants and people. What a genious.
RandyMac
Photos of friend Polishing Pedro Chavez and Kenny's Coleman's new convertible Mercedes
Re: Telepathic abilities in humans..
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-4-2004 at 06:20 PM
I agree. We can probably learn more about our forgotten abiilities from plants, than what we can from some people who choose to dismiss the obvious.
There must be a reason for that other 85% of brain matter in the above cavity that the experts say we don't use.
I enjoy your expressions of plant experiences. I don't get into any direct details on threads about my plant experiences. I'm still a little wound
too tight to express such experiences. But perhaps you can probably see what I learned while thinking about Kenny's car a few days before we cut the
roof off. Kenny enjoyed talking to plants.
I miss my friend and the hours of laughter after a few puffs here and there. Maybe I will meet him again on day.
RandyMac
Yerba Mansa
Baja Bernie - 2-4-2004 at 08:14 PM
JR,
When you get back to Rosarito wander down to La Salina and over the bank toward the ocean in front of my old house at 8C and you will find the plant
in abundance. It spreads over the dunes and the Mexicans have harvested it and used it as a tea long before the Padres wandered into La Mision. I
have been told that it is used for any number of things. Just wander over on the other side of the toll road and ask for Gus or just stop by the
Cantina at about 11am during the week and you should run into him because he drops by for a coke then. He owns all of the land from the ocean to the
bottom of the mesa and he showed me the plants a bunch of years ago and suggested that I use it for my heart problem. For ulcers and a bunch of other
stuff. My father-in-laws fifth wife was a Mexican witch and practiced herbal cures for years. She's dead now but there are a lot of people up in the
hills around Tecate that she used to visit to get most of her herbs. Most of this stuff is right in your backyard.
No, I never used the stuff for my heart--stuck with my doctors advise but did use it as a tea for upset stomach.
A wonderful thread and just in time.
Thanks Bernie
jrbaja - 2-4-2004 at 08:38 PM
Did it work for your upset stomach ?Me No - 2-4-2004 at 08:40 PM
Finally a great thread. It always comes along when a genuine person happens along and has something to bring to the tablem Hmmmm.
All that aside. This one is for JR.
Dear JR, I will gladly bring you down some round-up ASAP so as these LOCALS don't become sick from eating all those weeds. Then we can take whatever money they do have and buy proper medicine for them.
All to be dispensed at the poza grand holiday inn.
One more word. Jamica.Skeet/Loreto - 2-4-2004 at 08:44 PM
Fantastic Story Randy:
i feel sure that if possible you should spend some time with Rodrigo!!!
I answered your post not knowing what type of a persson your are,after the Post I now know!!
Rodrigo!!
He stands tall and Straight, Born of the Mountians near San Javier. He was the youngest son so he was the "goat Hearder" until he was 30 years old
with a new wife when his father sold out the Ranch to a present day Jefe of Loreto. His Father refused to give him any proceeds from the Sale.
He moved into Loreto and joined the "Villianty""Night watch" Union .
He started to work for me when my Wife and I decided to built Rancho Sonrisa Mexicano Style .We would go into the Arroyos and shovel Sand together, to
a canyon North to Quarry Rocks,to the Mountains to obtain Bullskins to make Rawhide.
He became a good friend!
On one accasion he was hired to work at Ligui,about 13 miles south of his Home.I found later that he Had to walk the 13 miles Home many times. I was
bringing him boots from the States and he was wearing them out faster than Normal.
He would take me into the Mounatins and explain everything we saw that I took an interest to.Plants,rocks, as he had lived as a Goat for so many
years.
He is a Man!!
Jr. took exception to my use of the word uneducated, I did that to put you on notice that in case you might not be a "Good Guy" and just be looking to
make some money off of the Mexicanos,He has never had any kind of Book Learning would have been better to say after 2 thought.But he knows more about
Life than most or at least some of the Posters on this board who hold a PHD!!!!
For some time one of the years he and I were working, he would tell me he had to take off early.I found that he was spending his hard earned money on
a Bus to go to Cuidad Constution{About 80 miles} where he would attend a very small Christain Church. When I spoke to him,he was shy about it until I
told him that I was a christain{A backslider at the time}. After that he would wear his"Jesus Saves " Cap to Work
He has rasied a family, built a house{As I would pay him},sent a son to Licscenato School in Montrey and is still working a 3 different Americano
Homes as well as Night Watchman at a Hotel.
So if by chance you do meet him I wish that you will learn as I have from Him. His heart is Large,His Mind is Clear, his Humor abounds,and He will not
Call you a Gringo, he will address you as an Americano!
He does not Drink!Nor smoke Dope! and does not allow his family to do Either.
Good Luck on your quest and please let us know about your Baja Travels
Skeet/Loreto
Well,
jrbaja - 2-4-2004 at 08:45 PM
It was a good thread. The thing about Nomads is, some stranger always chimes in that isn't willing to use their own handle. Mike ? JZ ? Skeet/Loreto - 2-4-2004 at 08:54 PM
J.R. NO!!! I will not tell you the Story. You will have to get it Direct from Francesca!
The story if told on the various Boards will cause you to unload on the Americanos Again, and I am not in the Mood for it during the Birthing of all
my new goats!
If you are able to get her to tell you the Story I would suggest you do some double checking around that little community to make double sure that
what you heard is True, if you come back the next time with the information I will tell you "the Rest of the Story"
Skeet/Loreto
Mystery
jrbaja - 2-4-2004 at 09:09 PM
I love it. But whether you realize it or not Skeet, I was saying the same things you have been saying about the "gringos" and every word is true.
Minus the religious part. And in some cases, even that ugly stuff is true. Sorry, but those are my feelings.
Good luck with the birria and keep the faith. Skeet/Loreto - 2-4-2004 at 09:43 PM
J. R. You are very right about the way "Gringos" treat some of the Mexicano People,but the Americanos that I run with treat the mexicanos on the same
level as anyone else. Defined by their Actions.
I just do not like you Lumping everbody into the same Basket as I do. sometimes.
There is another reason to think twice about Posting the Information if and when you get it. You will know what I mean when you get the info!
SAkeet/Loreto Mexitron - 2-4-2004 at 09:44 PM
Baja Bernie--
That plant at La Salina MAY be "Yerba Reuma"(Frankenia palmeri), which also may be a medicinal plant......I say that with a grain of salt though since
all these local names get VERY local uses, ie-they may call it Yerba Mansa around La Salina. The Yerba Mansa I know of doesn't like sand dunes, but
prefers wet, swampy soils........
As an aside, I've read some material on Shamanism, in particular a Lakota Sioux named Black Elk(distantly related but not THE Black Elk).....he made
claims of transporting to other planets during his sweat lodge trances.......my question is why don't they do a little research for us while they're
out there--save us some money on all these gringo contraptions we send to planets costing billions of dollars!
Now we are talking some sense
jrbaja - 2-4-2004 at 09:59 PM
I think Tron has the right idea. But perhaps like Skeet, while they are there they have the insight to not open their mouths. Something about loose
lips sinking ships and all. I should probably follow those rules a little more often.
Donations: Gift of Sight from Lions Club
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-6-2004 at 10:53 AM
Hello jrBaja, Skeet,
My older brother Neil is very involved with the Lions Club where we live (in BC Canada) and I noticed his active group of members collects eye glasses
that the Lions Club distributes to needy people in other countries.
You mentioned your involvement in an earlier post of taking donations (clothes etc.) to the San Javier area and others areas of Baja.
If I were to ask my brother and get him to ask his Lions members to collect some boxes of eye glasses, would you be able to find someone in the Baja
(maybe San Javier area) to distribute the eyeglasses to people who need them? I know they sort them with a Lions Club member who is an eye specialist,
so that the glasses can be properly fitted to those that need them.
I noticed that Neil has some boxes of good eyeglasses stored in a room in the basement of his house. Don't know if these eyeglasses have already been
allocated, but I can ask and let you know. Otherwise, my brother will start another eyeglass drive to collect more glasses that can be allocated to
the Baja.
Please let me know. Months before I travel to Mexico, I start collecting sports equipment, such as baseball gloves, bats, all sorts of sports balls,
football (soccer) shoes, etc. and then donate them to an area that needs them. I usually stop at flee markets on route thru California to collect
these type items and load up my motorhome.
One Baja military crossing captain thought I was starting my own baseball team in the Baja, as I had so many bags of ball gloves and a big bag of 20
bats stuffed into my rig. On the last trip I gave them out in San Jose Commundo area at XMas. The kids went crazy for them. A lady teacher said they
were praying for such items, and their prayers were answered.
The area of 25,000 people where I live is very sports oriented and every house probably has tons of unused sports equipment waiting for a good home.
I'd like to haul a trailer full of them down to the Baja, but I am not sure if I'd get huge importation hassles at the border crossings.
Keep me informed. Have a good weekend.
RandyMac
Re: Donations: Gift of Sight from Lions Club
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-6-2004 at 11:15 AM
I just talked to my brother Neil and he said that Dr. Kendrick a local eye specialist just came back from delivering and fitting eyeglasses in Mexico.
He travels to Mexico a few times each year and tests the recipients and makes sure they get the right glasses and eye care.
Not sure how he establishes which area to go to in Mexico, but I am sure my brother and I could convince him to make a trip to the Baja, especially if
there is a knowledgeable guide in the Baja area to take him to places that need it most.
If interested in starting the ball rolling on such a project let me know. I'll do my best to make it happen.
RandyMacSkeet/Loreto - 2-6-2004 at 01:50 PM
Randy Mac;there is an active program in Cuidad Constitution through a LIons Club. I will try to get you a name.
At one time there were 40,000 people and three hospitals and 40 doctors in that Area, since the Water Table Droped, production was cut in Half and
about Half of the People moved On.
the Lions Club in the past has helped people in Loreto.
The person to contact is
Dr. Renee Hibiff---Director
Hospital General
Cuidad Constitution Baja sur
Or a Doctor Gustavo Morales
Soc. Security Hospital in the same Town.
here is also a IMSS Hospital on the East Side of town. SkeetSkeet/Loreto - 2-6-2004 at 02:05 PM
Randy Mac:
God Bless You!
My wife and I were involved and Started a small chairty called "Warm Jackets for Cold Kids"
We go to just about any School and get there left over '"Lost and Found", go thru and pick out jackets that fit from 3 to 13,{that was the original
Plan} however we take all sizes now, and several members of the Old amigos have been Kind enough to Deliver them to Dr. Hibiff.
In Constitution, which is located on the Road to La Paz about 80 miles beyond Loreto there is a constant need for Warm clothing, as even in the Summer
time the fog and Sea Air comes into the Area each night about 4;00 Pm. Casues lots of "Gripa". It is a very poor area on the our lying Farms and
Ranches.
To avoid any Hassle at the boder I advise people taking jackets, to buy and old suitcase, fill it with jackets and take it by the Hospital. It will
be delevered to the most needy.
Sometimes if Clothes get into the wrong hands there will be a charge for those Clothes.Know who you are working with!
I have several boxes full of Jackets awaiting for someon e to pick up and take. I am right off of Hwy 5 on Hwy 152 between San Jose Calif. and Fresno.
I will gladly meet anybody at anytime to give them jackets to go South. Please lket me know if I can assist youin any manner.
Skeet
CD Constitution and Lions. Loreto and Lions
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-6-2004 at 04:51 PM
Skeet,
I stayed in San Carlos for about 14 days in Jan 2002 and found it can sure get windy and cold in CD Constitution.
I'll be speaking with my brother tomorrow and hope we can get something started in that area. I thank you very much for the information. I hope that
Dr. Kendrick is open to going to the Baja. Maybe they already have a program in the Baja and I am not aware of it.
Reselling of donations problem: I had been made aware of this, so I'll be careful to find an honourable person.
Thanks again.
RandyMac
herbs and such
academicanarchist - 2-6-2004 at 05:13 PM
One of the more interesting sources I have used in my research is account books of goods shipped to the Franciscan missions in Texas and California.
These accounts include medicines and concoctions such as Yerba de Puebla.
Randy
jrbaja - 2-6-2004 at 07:32 PM
I have been making trips into the mountains and non tourist areas alongf the areas north of La Paz for the distribution of goods.
All of the other places including C. Consti have so many gringos passing through that they already benefit from the tourists passing through.
Especially the beach communities.
This is why I have been concentrating on the more remote areas. Plus, I'm not that fond of tourists anyway!
I'm sure there are many areas down here that are in need of eye glasses. If you are interested in seeing some of the back country to help, I am down
here regularly and would be glad to have someone who cares about humans accompany me.
Also, thank you for your most informative posts. J.R.
Infusions of Healing
Keri - 2-7-2004 at 07:43 AM
Infusions of Healing By Joie Davidow --- A Treasury of Mexican American Herbal Remedies. this is a wonderful book, a primer for someone that wishes
to know more of the natural remedies and traditions of the Latino cultural. Her book is published by Simon and Schuster. Joie will be at the 2nd
annual Baja Booksigning and Winetasting May 1, 2004 at Pyramid Resort She will be brining some of the local remedies and plants with her. Come talk
to her in person, she may be able to enlighten to further.k
[Edited on 2-7-2004 by Keri]
Keri
jrbaja - 2-7-2004 at 08:05 AM
Thanks for the info Keri. Souds like it will be a real humdinger again. I am looking forward to it very much. Long as I'm not stuck in the mountains
somewhere, I'll be there.
Back country Baja
RandyMacSC/SO - 2-7-2004 at 11:16 AM
J.R.
I am more interested in the remote areas of Baja and the people than the areas that have an influx of tourists.
I don't want to start a big dump on tourists rant, but I have seen my share of bad acts from arrogant tourists in the Baja. Even though I am a visitor
to Baja, I am not that fond of hanging out with tourists. I have found some (not all) to be very insensitive to the locals, as if they own the place
because they have money to spend.
I head to Baja to experience the country and the people. If I wanted to party with other Canucks or Americans, I'd go to Cancun or Orlando Florida, or
I would go skiing in the winter.
I appreciate the chance to meet and find out more about the Baja. My friends believe I must have been a mexican in a previous lifetime. Maybe so. I am
very fond of Mexico.
Take care,
RandyMac
Eyeglasses
jrbaja - 2-7-2004 at 12:55 PM
Let me know when you are ready then Randy. I will do some research in the next few weeks to see which areas are the most needy. If you wish, I can set
up a centrally located area where the people could come to one centrally located spot at a certain date. Thanks again Amigo.
J.R.Skeet/Loreto - 2-7-2004 at 01:26 PM
JR!! You are again wrong about Cui dadConstitution !!
It is the outling Ejidos all around the Town,most Americanos just go straight through and onl;y stop for Gas,
If you have not been there try the 5 Ejidos directly to the West of the Main part of Town, round trip from Hwy to Hwy is about 20 miles. There is a
1,000 Holstien Dairy at Number 2,then to the South east another until you get close to the Drop off into the Mounatins.
Also have you been into 'Fresno" Ejido as you come off the Pass from Loreto,
the fact that Loreto was covered by Americanos was why I chose to help Constitution.
Please do not slight any poor area such as this is!!!!, San Carlos is no where close.!
Also JR. Do you know the whole Story about the founding of the Area, Do you know what the Memorial South of Town means? If not that is one mystrey you
should look into, sometimes the Surface does not always tell the true Story! Skeet/Loreto
Skeet ol buddy,
jrbaja - 2-7-2004 at 04:37 PM
Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to slight anybody. I am sure because of these posts that there will be many donations heading to Dr. Hibbert? and the
Ciudad Consti. area.
If you quit peeing them Nomadians off hahahahahaha.
It's just that very few people have been to or can get to the areas I am visiting. And these people have no access to anything. At least without a
1 - 2 hour not so great of a drive to C. Consti. but since they have so little money, that ain't happening.
Because of my other projects, I am back in them hills anyway so I take things to those guys. They are all needy as well.
And me being greedy, I prefer the mountain scenery to the city scenery so that is where I go. As well as some beachy areas as you know.
If you can arrange things to be delivered to Maneadero or my house, I can get a major shipment of things to Ciudad Constitucion. I need a trailer
but am looking for one.
Although I have not seen these areas you are discussing, I am assuming there are many many needy folks. Which tends to make me feel bad when I can
only carry so much in and on the van. So I pick areas where things go a long way and everyone gets something.
I have enough donaters now that a trailer is necessary for large shipments of things. This is what I am trying to work on as well as numerous other
projects down here. pant pant pant.
It's all good though and I do enjoy it. I will mention your friend to some friends of mine and they perhaps can help get him some things in quantity
as I am sure that's what's needed for that area.
And by the way you guys, Ciudad Constitucion has some of the prettiest women in all of Baja if you are looking for a place to take donations!
Serious.Skeet/Loreto - 2-7-2004 at 05:51 PM
J.R. Go show! How about that Post on yhe Baja health post concerning Medical Care.
J.R. you just keep on Trucking in the Mountains,I think I can make arrangements to get lots of things to Constitution as it is just a block off ?out
of the way for Folkks going to l
La PaZ.
If you read Spanish get the book on the History of the "Water of the Valley", How it came about,How the Govt. moved people from all over the Mainland,
etc, then also about what happened when the Water Table Dropped! It will help you understand the Plight of the People!!
Hope AA or one of those guys are real good about finding things on the Net will be able to bring up the information.
It will also answer if you have a question about why there is Memorial South. that will blow your mind. So let it remain a a Secret until some one
on this board can dig it Out!!!
What has happened to Jesse?????Remember what Presidente Luis Portillo said "the Children are Mexicos Future"
Skeet/Loreto
Anon The Preacher
Bad Speller
Pugnaious
New-Facistpappy - 2-8-2004 at 06:04 PM
mexitron- i too have read some of black elk's books- very enlightening....surprised we didn't know that about each other!Mexitron - 2-8-2004 at 09:09 PM
pappy-we'll have to start doing sweat lodges and gourd dances at Pisces P.! Ho!pappy - 2-9-2004 at 09:54 PM
Then we can take whatever money they do have and buy proper medicine for them.
All to be dispensed at the poza grand holiday inn.
