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Mision Santa Maria, May 2007 (Part 6 The Widowmaker UP! + Road log, GPS data, Map)

David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:11 AM

This report continued from Part 5 at: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=24915

We got underway by 9 am Monday (Memorial Day) and the first challenge was to get back to the road from our oasis campsite!

Baja Angel is directing The Squarecircle back through the rocks between the road and our camp.





[Edited on 6-20-2007 by David K]

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:17 AM

When we got back to the mission we took a break... I shot a bunch of photos (many posted in Part 2) including a 360 degree panorama (which I will figure out how to show you).

There is a very steep grade getting back to the mission from the arroyo crossing, plus a lot of overgrown brush that added many pin stripes to our rigs!

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:19 AM

Baja Angel climbed up the Widowmaker to capture my Tacoma going up...

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:21 AM

The Squarecircle photographed me from below...

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:22 AM

This was fun!

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:23 AM

Kicking some dust... low range and the back axle was locked!

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:24 AM

Almost made it... just a little more...

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:26 AM

I named it the Widowmaker eight years ago after Baja Mur and I were both thrown from our rides and left our blood on these very rocks!

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:28 AM

Now it was Roy's turn to see how his new Land Rover LR3 with 'Traction Control' would do...

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:32 AM

Seeing the Rover's tire in the air was not comforting!

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:35 AM

It did some side sliding...

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:36 AM

But it kept on truckin'!

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:37 AM

No problemo...

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surfer jim - 6-4-2007 at 07:38 AM

What tire pressure are these rigs running?.......

David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:40 AM

Cool stuff... The Land Rover proved itself worthy!:o:yes:

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:43 AM

We made it up the Widowmaker... but there is more challenges still to negotiate!

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:44 AM

The day was a great one...

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:47 AM

Four wheel drive ... some experience off road ... and a desire for adventure is what it takes to reach (and return from) Mision Santa Maria de los Angeles!

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David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by surfer jim
What tire pressure are these rigs running?.......


I was at the same pressure I normally set them to for street driving... 35 psi... They are 50 psi max. rated 3 ply sidewall tires. These are the Cooper Discoverer STT tires I got 32,000 miles ago and have never given me a flat...

However, they are noisey and need to be lowered to 10 psi for sand driving.

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edm1 - 6-4-2007 at 09:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
No problemo...


DK, in that photo where the Land Rover is listing to the left in a deep dip, can that hole be filled with those rocks around? ;D

I want to go there with my rig, without my fullsize Bronco in tow.

Wingnut - 6-4-2007 at 05:01 PM

Great report David. The pictures are fantastic. There are a couple trails in Arizona that remind me of that site. Keep the reports coming!

David K - 6-4-2007 at 05:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
No problemo...


DK, in that photo where the Land Rover is listing to the left in a deep dip, can that hole be filled with those rocks around? ;D

I want to go there with my rig, without my fullsize Bronco in tow.


NOPE... if I wasn't clear before, then let me be clear now: NO 2WD, NO LONG wheelbase, no running boards, no nothing but high ground clearance 4WD (ie. 9"+ min. ground clearance)... Take the Bronco... that's what it is for, provided it has the best condition tires and a locking differential or limited slip would be really advised... Otherwise, just too much damage!!!

That gully that is less than 2 miles from Santa Ynez is a good limiter to keep back those who may not be prepared...

Mexitron - 6-4-2007 at 06:21 PM

Thanks for the great photos and info David--I think you get the award for the most thorough coverage per mile of any report yet!

ROAD LOG & GPS DATA (Map Datum set to NAD27 Mexico)

David K - 6-4-2007 at 07:04 PM

The following data was recorded last May, '07 and April, '03.

0.0 Rancho Santa Ynez (Ines, Inez, etc.) in front of the lunch counter: 29-43.757', 114-41.730', elev. 1,826'

Drive out from the parking area by the table and turn right (north) to the SECOND open gate and follow road outside fenced area to behind ranch then out to cross the wide arroyo.

0.9 FORK, go left (uphill)/ Right goes back into Arroyo Cataviņa (labled Arroyo La Bocana in the Baja Almanac): 29-43.900', 114-41.134', elev. 1,846'

1.8 Deep Gully, steep grade up!

~2.4 FORK/ Rock Pile (continue straight, new track to left made by ejido to ?): 29-45.193', 114-40.627', elev. 2,020'

4.7 Cement Marker to left, on side track: 29-46.404', 114-39.149'

5.6 Arroyo Cataviņa (also called Arroyo San Antonio and Arroyo La Bocana in the Almanac) crossing with palms.

9.9 Peninsular Divide (Punta Final view): 29-46.152', 114-34.971' elev. 2,512'

13.3 The Widowmaker top: 29-44.745', 114-33.141' elev. 1,737'

13.4 The Widowmaker bottom

14.4 Mision Santa Maria: 29-43.891', 114-32.794' elev. 1,628'

15.4 Arroyo Santa Maria, left turn for our oasis camp location at 29-43.697', 114-32.213' elev. 1,386'

15.7 Left Turn out of arroyo for bulldozed grade & El Camino Real (ahead in arroyo ends in palms at 16.0): 29-43.164', 114-31.868' elev. 1,353'

~15.9 'El Camino Real' California mission trail (and peninsular 'highway' before autos!) to left, switchbacks up hill side: 29-43.126', 114-31.753' elev. 1,413' this Franciscan and Dominican El Camino Real stays high on the ridge above the north side of Santa Maria Canyon. The original mission trail (used until Junipero Serra ordered a better route made) was mostly in the canyon.

More details at http://vivabaja.com/1103/page2.html from our hike up from Gonzaga Bay.

16.0 (from Santa Ynez) End of drivable road heading up towards ridge: 29-43.109', 114-31.645' elev. 1,495'

If you continue to hike up the bulldozed roadbed, the construction ends on the ridge high above the deep Santa Maria Canyon. An Indian trail, which was the Jesuit's 'El Camino Real' drops down, into the canyon and out towards the gulf. Petroglyphs decorate some rocks at the end of the road building project: 29-43.033', 114-31.556' elev. 1,615'
Photo of the petros and the view into the canyon from 2003: http://www.vivabaja.com/403/mailedD71.jpg

Viva Baja!





[Edited on 6-14-2007 by David K]

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BAJACAT - 6-4-2007 at 07:29 PM

Gracias Baja amigo.like always alot info. and great photos.

Gadget - 6-4-2007 at 07:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
No problemo...


DK, in that photo where the Land Rover is listing to the left in a deep dip, can that hole be filled with those rocks around? ;D

Please, no trail filling. Some of us want to enjoy the challenge of the trail as is. If you find yourself stuck somewhere and there is no way out but to move rocks, cool. But to purposely go some place you know you can't go and change the trail to get there is not cool, unless you put everthing back how it was when you go back out. IMHO only :D

Roberto - 6-4-2007 at 08:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
no nothing but high ground clearance 4WD (ie. 9"+ min. ground clearance)


Hmmm. Don't think the LR3 has 9" of clearance - more like 7.

David K - 6-4-2007 at 08:01 PM

You know after seeing how much worse the road was since my last time over it, I am glad you guys had fun at Gonzaga and didn't attempt to join us at Santa Maria!

I hear of a road building party being put together for June 16th...?? La Turquesa opened up by Baja Nomads??? Baja Cat, Squarecircle and more????

Since the Baja 1000 will be heading down the Pacific side of the sierra, from TJ/ Ensenada and everybody loves Coco, it wouldn't be a stretch if SCORE plowed the way clear in La Turquesa so the racers could cross over from the Pacific at Cataviņa or ?, to Pedregoso, down the Turquesa Grade and drive through Coco's Corner without needing to come from San Felipe/ Puertecitos (which may never see a SCORE race again)!?

On second though, if they wanted to go through Coco's Corner, they could come from the Pacific's Punta Blanca area then across to Chapala to Coco's and south through Calamajue Wash and on south... No new roads to make...:rolleyes:

David K - 6-4-2007 at 08:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Roberto
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
no nothing but high ground clearance 4WD (ie. 9"+ min. ground clearance)


Hmmm. Don't think the LR3 has 9" of clearance - more like 7.


LR3 has air adjustable ground clearance that raises the rig much higher. Also, you didn't notice the stock tires were not used... I will let Roy provide the ground clearance details.

My Tacoma suspension/ ride was all stock, the Cooper tires were the same size as the BFGs they replaced, and I have 9 1/2" at the lowest point, much more most of the area down there... I did grind over many rocks and my trailer light connection got pushed up and behind my bumper!

Roberto - 6-4-2007 at 08:20 PM

Those are the specs on the car - 7.3" of max clearance. I WOULD be interested in hearing more about his rig.

The squarecircle - 6-4-2007 at 10:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Roberto
Those are the specs on the car - 7.3" of max clearance. I WOULD be interested in hearing more about his rig.



Greetings Roberto,

The LR 3 has some 13"+ grd. clearance @ full off-road extension. It needs all the help it can get because at 115" of wheelbase and almost 6,000 lbs. it is really a very large cage. A completely flat floor makes a large bedroom in this 4x4 casita. Leave tent at home!!

Regards, sq.

Roberto - 6-4-2007 at 11:00 PM

Thanks, sq.

Could you explain a little more? I know this SUV has air suspension, correct? And it goes from 7"+ to 13"+? Wow!

Steve in Oro Valley - 6-5-2007 at 11:07 AM

Great thread Squarecircle and David:

The information I have indicates the EAS (electronic air suspension) of the LR3 allows 13 inches of wheel travel in the rear and 10.75 inches wheel travel in the front. Different tires could increase or decrease this...

The ground clearance in the (OFF ROAD mode engaged) is 9.5 inches. I assume with LR3 recommended tire setup...


landrovercary.com/lr3-off-road.htm#eas


Steve in Oro Valley

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The squarecircle - 6-5-2007 at 11:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Steve in Oro Valley
Great thread Squarecircle and David:

The information I have indicates the EAS (electronic air suspension) of the LR3 allows 13 inches of wheel travel in the rear and 10.75 inches wheel travel in the front. Different tires could increase or decrease this...

The ground clearance in the (OFF ROAD mode engaged) is 9.5 inches. I assume with LR3 recommended tire setup...


Steve >>>> With the OFF ROAD mode engaged there are two(2) more stages of increased grd. clearance available that are not driver selective. These two extra height increases happen only when the vehicle is in serious risk of geting its self stuck. Now ----- How is that for some unearthly engineering??? Pun intended for this bizarre feature, but afterall it is a FORD. >>>>> Regards, sq.


landrovercary.com/lr3-off-road.htm#eas


Steve in Oro Valley

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David K - 6-5-2007 at 06:55 PM

Well, be it 9.5 or 13 inches... my point still stands that I do not recommend any vehicle with less than 9" of minimum ground clearance, and as Roy verified with his automatic height adjustment and oversize Nitto tires, he had MORE than enough to not get hung up on the rocks. Anything lower or non traction controlled 4WD rigs risks serious damage.

[Edited on 6-14-2007 by David K]

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David K - 6-14-2007 at 09:41 AM

To wrap up our Memorial Day Weekend trip report...

We arrived back at Rancho Santa Ynez about 1 pm (4 hours to go 15 miles, LOL). Told Matilda and Oscar about the borregos. Oscar asked if we saw any of his cattle... yes a few young ones were pasing through our oasis camp. Bring a rake if you come here to clean away the 'pies'.

Roy and Blanche headed south and over to Campo Beluga for another night to avoid the long wait that woukld be at the border this night. Elizabeth and I went to Hugo Lopez' TACOS MISION to say hi, see his latest paintings, and enjoy some good food!

Naturally we used the new Blvd. 2000 (BC#201) as a easy way to get to the Otay Border crossing and arrived at the line at 8:30pm for a 2 1/2 hour wait.

The border gaurd was nice, but when I declared the beer and limes I was returning with he got real concerned that limes 'might' be not allowed (they are)! I mean, how hard is it to look at the list? His logic was that limes are 'like' oranges, and oranges are not allowed!

Anyway, he sent us to Secondary and in just seconds the Secondary gaurd walked up to the truck, looked at the note, said "LIMES?... GET OUT OF HERE!":rolleyes::yes::bounce: Limes ARE permitted. We were headed home!

BAJA continues to be a place of wonder and enjoyment for me and I now get to share the wonders with Baja Angel in person, and you guys on line!

I will make a web page for this trip but it will be tough to select far fewer photos than I have posted in these 6 parts on Nomad to keep the web page within a reasonable viewing size.

Next trip planned is to El Rosario for the Cultural Festival July 20-22, then the rest of the week we may visit the Seven Sisters and on to Punta Abreojos, Bahia Asuncion, Bahia Tortugas...???

[Edited on 6-14-2007 by David K]

David K - 6-14-2007 at 11:00 AM

Here is the panorama (click mouse on image near center, and control speed and direction) at the mission...


Pappy Jon - 6-17-2007 at 09:16 AM

Gawd I love that place. Gotta get back, soon. Thanks for the log and that camp in the oasis. I will stay there next time!

MAP

David K - 6-19-2007 at 08:13 PM

Here's a map I sketched showing the relationship of our camp, the mission, the Widowmaker and the Camino Real.

I did not use a scale, just free hand while looking at a topo for the arroyo locations.

The Widowmaker to the mission is just over 1 mile.

The mission to the arroyo that we drove up for the oasis camp is 1 mile.

The arroyo run down to the fork, where you turn left for El Camino Real (it's at 29-43.126', 114-31.753' NAD27) or the end of the bulldozed road, or go straight to the dead end in the palms, is 0.3 mi.

As you can see, the Camino Real climbs out of the mission valley to the north, then swings east and southeast along the ridge, above the north side of the Santa Maria Canyon. It drops down to the arroyo just east of the canyon's east end. The GPS on that end is 29-41.733', 114-28.175' (NAD27)

The Camino Real has been ridden by racer and Dust to Glory producer Kevin Ward on a Honda XR650, but not without damage... and is only recommended to those on foot or mule hoof! I hiked it up from the Gonzaga side to 29-43.141', 114-30.189' in 2003.

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David K - 12-4-2018 at 03:01 AM

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