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Baja Kayakers,,,,Where are you??

EnseNADAslim - 3-20-2009 at 11:45 PM

Funny thing, I would think that this section of the forums would be more active that it is. We also found it a bit odd that while we were paddling Bahia Concepcion we did not see others out there on water doing multi-day trips. What a great place to paddle!
So Baja Sea kayakers,,,,Where are you?

nancyinpdx - 3-21-2009 at 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by EnseNADAslim
Funny thing, I would think that this section of the forums would be more active that it is. We also found it a bit odd that while we were paddling Bahia Concepcion we did not see others out there on water doing multi-day trips. What a great place to paddle!
So Baja Sea kayakers,,,,Where are you?


I'd like to try kayaking some day, but scared they'd tip over in the ocean!!! I looooove canoeing tho!

Hola EseNADAslim

Pompano - 3-21-2009 at 02:11 AM

There are hundreds, if not thousands of Baja kayakers out there. You must have been out on one of those very rare days. Conception Bay in particular is full of kayaks, and the Baja shoreline from Mulege to Agua Verde is a regular paddle.

Enter Conception Bay area kayaks, stage right:

The first photo shows a friend kayaking with his cat, Feyo. This famous cat has made the front cover of Cat World a few times. A frequent visitor to my patio parties, he is now famous in Cat Heaven. The paddler here makes 3-4 trips a year kayaking from Coyote Bay to Agua Verde and the Tip.
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Felipa on her morning workout in the Bay. Usually an 12-mile route from the house to Ille Barga (Dead Dog Cove) to Santa Barbara to house.

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Bon voyage, senoritas!

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Most all residents of the Bay have kayaks at the ready. Today looks a mite rough, so will wait...:rolleyes:

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A side benefit of kayaking the Bay is viewing marine habitat and billions of aquarium-size fishes...yes, billions. :smug:

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The world is our oyster! Make voyages! Attempt them! There is little else..

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"You wanted breakfast BEFORE we go kayaking?? Think cereal, boyo."

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Here's a group of NOLS kayakers rafting up...just south of Pt. Conception enroute south towards Loreto.

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A fun day in Paradise.

nancyinpdx - 3-21-2009 at 04:34 AM

Is paddling a kayak much more different or difficult than paddling a canoe? I really wanna try it but am kinda scared of choppy water; I've only canoed on lakes. But it was one of my fave things ever(!) to do! Your pics are so beeeyootiful that i GOTTA try it sometime down there!

Pompano - 3-21-2009 at 08:34 AM

nancyinpdxx...

CANOEING AND KAYAKING:

The difference is that a canoe paddle has one blade and a kayak has two.

Open Canoe. These are the large boats you can fit two or three people in, and that you propel with a single bladed paddle. Generally you either sit on a bench-type seat, or kneel. We take lots of canoe trips thru Minnesota systems and Up North into Canada. You can generally pack more gear into a canoe...and people.

Kayaking, on the other hand, involves sitting down with your legs in front of you and using a two bladed paddle. There are also type of kayaks that are suitable for long distance trips. You will soon find which suits your style best.

There are many different types of kayak, most of which are designed for specific disciplines such as touring, river running, placid water, wild water racing, slalom, surfing, seakayaking, and some other specialties.
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The basic type of canoe is a very forgiving boat - you certainly don't get as wet as in a kayak - but it does require a little more skill to manuever it as a solo paddler. If you intend to paddle as a pair, or out with the family, this is certainly a very good option.

Although not as common as kayaks, there are specialist canoes for nearly all of the above mentioned uses. To the casual observer, the only noticeable difference is the type of paddle used. Decked canoes (as they are known) are, however, a lot more difficult to paddle, but they do have the edge when it comes to manuevarability. I used to have a canoe here in The Bay, but found the kayak best suits our needs.
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Take any of them out...you'll have a ball.

oldlady - 3-21-2009 at 08:46 AM

Nancy...my husband and I have kayaks. We go out in the Sea of Cortez.
If I can paddle one (haven't capsized yet), anyone can. Give it a try.

nancyinpdx - 3-21-2009 at 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by oldlady
Nancy...my husband and I have kayaks. We go out in the Sea of Cortez.
If I can paddle one (haven't capsized yet), anyone can. Give it a try.


Thamk you Oldlady and Pompano for all the pointers and pics.

Though I'm only in my late 40s, I do have arthritis and back (due to herniated and buldging disks), hip, knee, and shoulder problems as well as sciatica on both sides of my back going down both legs so it has to be comfy. I can't kneel very comfortably or for long periods. I wonder if I'd be able to handle a kayak (cuz of my stupid shoulder probs). All my joints bother me. Maybe a canoe with a seat is the only thing that would work for me? I would be willing to try a kayak but wonder if it would hurt my shoulders, neck, and back worse cuz of the way you paddle it? My left shoulder is worse than my right one.

Gee, it's been over 20 years since I've paddled a canoe but it's not something you forget how to do.

Pompano - 3-21-2009 at 09:26 AM

Nancy, you don't have to kneel in certain canoes. They have a seat/s, sometimes both fore and aft.

nancyinpdx - 3-21-2009 at 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by Pompano
Nancy, you don't have to kneel in certain canoes. They have a seat/s, sometimes both fore and aft.


Yeah, I've been in that kind; they might be my only options due to my probs. But I for sure wanna try it down there.

Before this forum I was never very interested in the Baja cuz I am not that enthralled by the desert, hate scorpions, spiders, other arachnids and scary bugs, toothy critters and snakes, but coastal baja is soooooo gorgeous!!!! I've always been crazy about the ocean and any water and beaches. I want a town with some trees, though. I love palms, flowers, birds, sea life and lots of local children too!!!

EnseNADAslim - 3-21-2009 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by nancyinpdx
Is paddling a kayak much more different or difficult than paddling a canoe? I really wanna try it but am kinda scared of choppy water; I've only canoed on lakes. But it was one of my fave things ever(!) to do! Your pics are so beeeyootiful that i GOTTA try it sometime down there!


Hi Nancy,
Depending on where you live, you might be able to find a Kayak shop, or rental place and give it a try. Some Kayak Shops that sit on water fronts will sometimes even let you test-drive them. Yes there is a difference in the way you paddle a canoe vs. a Kayak and there is difference within the different types of Kayaks as well.

There's the Sit on top type, and they can be very stable and easy to get in and out of
Then in there are the Recreational type that you sit it, but have a very large opening, so they to can be a bit easy to get in and out of.
The closed Deck touring type can be a bit more complicated and would require some professional instructions on how to handle certain situations.

Our Kayaks have taken us to some beautiful areas all up and down the coast, from Washington, Big Sur, below Hover Dam, and of course Baja.

Nothing like paddling in the morning as the sun comes up. Heading to Playa Perla


Our Kayaks sitting on the white sands of Isla El Coyote


Have car and Kayaks on the Yakima's,,,,will travel!

nancyinpdx - 3-21-2009 at 03:56 PM

Wow what beautiful pics. I live in Portland. I don't get out to nature much but I love it. Maybe I'll have to wait til I'm in baja to try it. Are there any placid water sites where they rent them?

Kayaks

BajaDanD - 3-21-2009 at 04:44 PM

Try a sit on top kayak that way if you do tip over you just fall off. Then you just climb back on a go.
It is vary hard to tip one over though. You almost have to do it on purpose. and if you do your just going for a swim until you climb back on.
I have an Ocaen Kayak Prowler its 15 1/2 ft long and can carry all my camping gear and fishing gear inside.
I fish off mine in the ocean and have paddled it many miles off shore. When I am going farther off shore then I can safely swim in from, I wear a PFD. I always have it with me when Im on the water. In the USA its manditory you carry a PFD on any boat/ kayak while in the ocean. You dont have to wear it but you have to have it with you. I wear mine.
Have fun

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EnseNADAslim - 3-22-2009 at 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by BajaDanD
I have an Ocaen Kayak Prowler its 15 1/2 ft long and can carry all my camping gear and fishing gear inside.
I fish off mine in the ocean and have paddled it many miles off shore.

Right on BajaDan, nice catch, is that a SheepsHead? I've wanted to try to fish from my yak, but my Dagger is not as stable as the sit on tops. I'd have to agree and say that for anyone's first time in a Kayak that they should try a sit on top, as a matter of fact,,,most rental places will not let you rent a closed deck touring kayak unless you've been trained in rescue recovery.

bajadogs - 3-23-2009 at 08:16 AM

We always have our kayak with us in Baja. It's a 14 foot Hobie sit-on-top with 3 adjustable seat positions. 2 adults and a child in the middle - perfect for us, till the daughter gets bigger.

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BajaTrooper - 3-23-2009 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by nancyinpdx
Wow what beautiful pics. I live in Portland. I don't get out to nature much but I love it. Maybe I'll have to wait til I'm in baja to try it. Are there any placid water sites where they rent them?

Nancy, I live in PDX as well. You can go to Hayden Island -Jantzen Beach and rent at: http://www.aldercreek.com or on Macadam at: http://www.portlandrivercompany.com/Rentals.html .
Both of these locations provide lessons and group trip in the backwaters of Portland. Also check craigslist for groups and equipment.

nancyinpdx - 3-24-2009 at 12:16 AM

Thank you!!!

I saved those links!

I'll try the sit-on ones first and use a life jacket. I'm not the greatest swimmer.

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bajamedic - 3-24-2009 at 12:34 PM

How hard is it to get back onto a sit-on-top kayak after it rolls over in deep water? :?::?::?:

getting back on kayak

BajaDanD - 3-24-2009 at 05:36 PM

Its pretty easy I've never had a problem. Before you take it out in deep water go for a swim and practice climbing on the kayak. wear a PDF. If you go rent one most places will give you instructions on how to get back on.
While im fishing I usually turn sideways and hang both feet over the same side in the water. allows me easy access to the whole kayak. But again its vary hard to tip one over or fall off.

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Cabo trip

BajaDanD - 3-24-2009 at 05:46 PM

Drove this rig all the way to Cabo then all over the east cape a few years back

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EnseNADAslim - 3-24-2009 at 11:38 PM

BajaDan, this must have been at the beginning of your trip,,,,your car is way to clean, and your boats don't have the Dried Salt look to them yet. Where all did you paddle besides Cobo?
ya got a nice set up!:yes:

tattuna - 3-25-2009 at 08:51 AM

I LOVE kayaking Baja! I'll be kayak fishing Gonzaga Bay Memorial weekend. For those of you thinking about it, check out a kayak shop that's near water and they'll let you test paddle. OEX kayak shops are great because they carry kayaks of all makes. Although they focus on fishing kayaks they also have a selection of touring kayaks. Generally speaking, wider kayaks are more stable but track slower. While longer kayaks are faster you give up a little stability. All kayaks have their pros and cons you just have to pick the one that suits you. Here are some of my kayak pics...

Cabrilla caught outside of El Faro



Hogfish at Gonzaga




I'm that tiny spec in the ocean down there paddling back to Gonzaga from Punta Bufeo


wilderone - 3-25-2009 at 11:21 AM

"Before you take it out in deep water go for a swim and practice climbing on the kayak. wear a PDF. If you go rent one most places will give you instructions on how to get back on."

It is essential to learn self rescue techniques in the kayak you use. There are assisted rescue methods as well - and your paddling partner should know about and be capable of an assisted rescue. The time to learn rescue techniques is not in windy, choppy conditions where a swell just dumped you. I would recommend reading Deep Trouble.

self rescue

BajaDanD - 3-25-2009 at 10:11 PM

Best to go with someone who can teach you. Practice in calm water close to shore. Stay out of the serf zone. You should'nt be lanching in the serf yet anyway. Wear your PDF. Put a leash on your paddle and attach it to the kayak.
Know your limitations.
When Im fishing I bring a GPS. A handheld marine radio an extra paddle a drybag with first aid kit and flares & Airhorn.
DanD

first day

BajaDanD - 3-25-2009 at 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by EnseNADAslim
BajaDan, this must have been at the beginning of your trip,,,,your car is way to clean, and your boats don't have the Dried Salt look to them yet. Where all did you paddle besides Cobo?
ya got a nice set up!:yes:


I believe that was BOLA in the backround we were on our way down and stopped there for the night didnt kayak there that trip. Kayaked south of La Paz Las Frailes, Cabo Pulmo and that area mostly. didnt kayak in Cabo at all couldnt get out of there fast enough. spent most of the time around East cape. The Halibut were caught at San Quintin on another trip. The Sheephead was caught at San Roque last month.
Paddled to Isla San Roque and back two days in row caught lots of Calico Bass and one Sheephead.
Maybe 2-3 miles to the Isla plus I did a big circle of the bay there at San Roque maybe 8-9 miles each day. Had to paddle into the wind comming back the first day. I was so tired I got dumped in the 2ft serf comming in.

This is a picture of Las Arenas light house south of La Paz our car still looks clean I cant figure that out. We had already been to Loreto, Mag Bay and La Paz

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bajabound2005 - 3-25-2009 at 10:35 PM

we have PEDAL kayaks from Hobie. LOVE THEM. And we are right here in Baja and tonight, too frickin tired to even think about them. BUT WE LOVE THEM!!! Yes, we have PDFs and wear them.

EnseNADAslim - 3-25-2009 at 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by BajaDanD
Best to go with someone who can teach you. Practice in calm water close to shore. Stay out of the serf zone. You should'nt be lanching in the serf yet anyway. Wear your PDF. Put a leash on your paddle and attach it to the kayak.
Know your limitations.
When Im fishing I bring a GPS. A handheld marine radio an extra paddle a drybag with first aid kit and flares & Airhorn.
DanD

This is the radio we picked up before our Bahia Concep. trip
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cobra-Marine-Boating-Kayak-VHF-handheld-Portable-Radio_W0QQitemZ200295268183QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2002952 68183&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262
Have yet to get a hand held GPS, but that's next on the list.
We have went out on day paddles to simply just work on rescue techniques, and surf entry an exit. Never take a peaceful calm day for granted.
Great Fishing Pic's you guys! Gotta give that a try someday, but not sure how well that would work out in a touring Yak.

nancyinpdx - 3-25-2009 at 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by BajaDanD
Best to go with someone who can teach you. Practice in calm water close to shore. Stay out of the serf zone. You should'nt be lanching in the serf yet anyway. Wear your PDF. Put a leash on your paddle and attach it to the kayak.
Know your limitations.
When Im fishing I bring a GPS. A handheld marine radio an extra paddle a drybag with first aid kit and flares & Airhorn.
DanD


Thanks to you and all others on all the advice, info, and pointers. I guess I will need to meet ppl down there; I'm usually independent and somewhat of a loner. Honestly, I'm shy at first with ppl but I've come to the conclusion that, especially as a beginner, and not being a very good swimmer and someone with some physical probs, I have no business going out on the water alone 'til I've practiced and learned a lot. I'd also make sure to have the radio, gps, life jacket or whatever you call that thing, and the other recommended safety items.

Bob and Susan - 3-26-2009 at 09:32 AM

the bay here in mulege is pretty smooth today...

"mom" said they were getting snow in utah:lol:

notice no paddles:o
those hobie petal kayaks are sure "sweet" :light:

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Hobie kayaks

BajaDanD - 3-26-2009 at 05:54 PM

Love the Hobie Outback kayak. I've pedaled one around San diego and Mission bay a few times. They make a sail for the Outback too.
I would have gotten one but needed to get two kayaks. Two Hobie's would have been out of my price range.
I won the Ocean Kayak Prowler in a kayak fishing derby for a $50 entrence fee.
DanD

fernando - 3-27-2009 at 11:28 PM

There is going to be a fishing kayak tournament in July out of Marina coral in ensenada. I will post the event in my page

type to use

msawin - 3-28-2009 at 07:34 AM

I have a question for you all.. Is the "sit on top" style
better to fish from than the touring models? Is it safe to fish
from the touring model [sit inside] ?

marty

tattuna - 3-28-2009 at 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by msawin
I have a question for you all.. Is the "sit on top" style
better to fish from than the touring models? Is it safe to fish
from the touring model [sit inside] ?

marty


Most fishing kayaks are sit on tops. I have seen fully rigged sit insides though, just pretty rare. I couldn't say which is better to fish from having not tried a sit inside myself. I'm sure a good kayak shop could help you more.

sit on top

BajaDanD - 3-28-2009 at 05:06 PM

You want a sit on top for fishing there is deck space on top to set thing on that you dont have on a sit inside. They make long touring type sit on tops The wilderness systems Tarpon is 16ft has a lot of deck space plus two hatches to stow your gear. The Ocean Kayak Prowler is 15 1/2 ft one hatch up front a lot of deck space and a place at the rear to put a crate or what ever. Mine has flush mount rod holders a fish finder a live biat tank and other stuff.
A sit inside you would have no where to put fish if you caught any. Except inside.

Mango - 3-28-2009 at 05:40 PM

Traditionally, "sit inside" kayakers, i.e. eskimo's etc... just strapped their catch to the deck and paddled home. Sometimes this would include all or part of a seal, walrus, etc..

The traditional style "sit inside" kayaks are advantageous in rougher seas and have a better secondary stability. However, they can be hot in places like Baja.

Sit on tops are great for swimming/diving (easy to get on/off of) and for calmer seas. They tend to have a better primary stability; but, don't do as well in really rough seas.

Since most people go out in warm and calm seas, the sit on top it a good way to go for shorter trips in Baja. On longer trips where you may run into rough and/or colder seas, a kayak that can be "rolled"and your ability to "roll it may save your life.

I love to canoe as well, a canoe can haul much more than any Kayak can dream of (I also find them more comfortable to sit and kneel in); but, they are susceptible to capsize/flooding and are only really safe near the shores of larger lakes, or for use in rivers where you can get to shore in an emergency or when the weather turns bad.

I got what I got.

msawin - 3-29-2009 at 06:09 AM

A year back we had a kayak company close down in Loreto,
so some of my neighbors and I bought 6 touring style kayaks.
They were a great deal and in good shape. $350.00 ea. So now
I am learning how to use my 2. I have a Cabo 226 to fish with but
just like going to the port and fishing for sierra from the dock, its
just another great experience. And as you know, being on the water with no noise is priceless. I don't have to fish with my kayak but....
Oh. my first kayaking here was a few years back with a neighbors
Hobie... That was a blast. My wife had no problems with it.


marty

dizzyspots - 8-8-2009 at 05:46 PM

We use a NativeWatercraft Ultimate 16 tandem...fished Gonzaga Bay twice and LOVED it...especially in the early evening when the bay turns to glass...got a nice catch of triggers, bay bass...had a blast!! that was all on fresh water gear and dead lunch meat from the bottom of the ice chest!

going back Halloween weekend with saltwater gear !

Plan: depart Yuma Fri EARLY AM...drive down to Gonzaga
return Mon EARLY AM to the US

Anyone else care to join in??

Mike & Sharon
Vail, AZ

dizzyspots at aol dot com