gringorio - 11-23-2004 at 09:01 PM
For those of you who love to express opinions (Is there any body like that here?! ha ha), I am running a poll at Baja & Gulf of California
Conservation:
http://www.bajacaliforniaconservation.org/phpbb/viewtopic.ph...
Right now only registered users can vote, but votes are anonymous. Please feel free to take the poll. Also, if you have ideas about other relevant
polls and what questions to ask, please let me know. Thanks!
gringorio
[Edited on 11-24-2004 by gringorio]
I voted...
Mike Humfreville - 11-23-2004 at 10:42 PM
That is an interesting link. It will take some time to explore fully. Thanks Gringorio.
CONSERVATIONISTS
Capt. George - 11-24-2004 at 05:52 AM
I replied
Over the course of my life, my experience with professional environmentalists/conservationists has been nothing short of war...Their true interests
are a weekly paycheck, retirement and, possibly, a job for their nephew Bill-Bob.....The users, ie: hunters & fishermen, are the true
environmentalists.....
conservation
jim janet - 11-24-2004 at 08:56 AM
George,
This is a lotta b s.Tell me about trophy hunters and fishers.
The changing Seas
jrbaja - 11-24-2004 at 10:29 AM
When I moved to California in 1961, I could collect every size abalone shell every time I went to the beach. And plenty of other shells as well.
The ocean was full of life although, the fishermen and people who actually knew about the ocean from experience were already complaining about the
dwindling numbers of fish, bugs, abalone.
My Dad wrote a story about how the Berkshires were already becoming depleted of the native trout in the 40's.
When I first came to Baja, you could stand in one spot almost anywhere in Bahia Concepcion and fill a bucket with clams. We have spent two weeks
eating nothing but what we could harvest just to see if we could. And we could!
But, I'm not so sure I would try that now. Of course there are places that are still "alive" but they are far away from tourism and extremely hard
to get to.
I think that the problem isn't so much with overfishing but pollution from the numbers of boats, drainage from development here in Baja and Sonora
and whatever flows out from the Colorado River and Rio Hardy.
California's dead ocean is a pretty good example. Water that color doesn't come from overfishing. It comes from being dilluted. With who knows what.
And all the pleasure and commercial boats and ships.
Now this type of destruction is kind of subtle. It starts by killing off tiny organisms. That larger organisms eat. And so on and so forth.
Clams, oysters, scallops, are susceptible to these pollutants. Muscles have built an immunity.
When the smallest of food for the smallest of creatures starts disappearing, the rest is sure to follow suit.
I don't personally believe in "sport fishing" and eat everything I catch. I also do a lot of sharing and trading of fish for tamales etc. It's
pretty fun.
I take back everything bad I have said about the sportfishermen though. Because I no longer believe that they have any more impact on the Sea than
Canadian motorhomes and the boats that come with them.
And who is going to stop that?
Pollution and the amount of people is the real problem, not the fishermen.
[Edited on 11/24/2004 by jrbaja]
jrbaja - 11-24-2004 at 10:33 AM
Trophy Hunters?
Capt. George - 11-24-2004 at 07:20 PM
Gimme a break Jim, you're really reaching!
How about your views on "professional eviromentalists/conservationists"??
por favor.............el Vikingo
Phonies
Capt. George - 11-24-2004 at 07:22 PM
JR, I agree with pollution being the main culprit......but fishermen and hunters are simply easier to attack.....mucho dinero
para polluters....
mucho b.s. from the politicos.....
adios