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Hurricane Odile Nomad's On Scene Reports, Photos, & Pertinent Info

oladulce - 9-15-2014 at 06:01 AM

Can we use this separate thread Odile thread exclusively for on-scene reports from Nomads and photos (before, during, and after) and roads or other emergency conditions and messages.

Please continue to post your forecasts, weather and informational links, comments and well-wishes on the other current thread.

Easier to weed through and a time-saver for those with spotty power and those of us on solar.

Thanks

We're all anxious to here how Bajajudy and other Nomads in Cabo and the East Cape are doing as well as Todos Santos. It looks like Bajalinda and Rob are in the midst of it now.

[Edited on 9-15-2014 by oladulce]

grizzlyfsh95 - 9-15-2014 at 07:25 AM

East cape report?

Odile

tehag - 9-15-2014 at 07:30 AM

Hit Loreto at 2AM. Eye is still south and coming. Gusts 100mph, rain 168mm and far from finished. Power on and off (bloody miracle, the on part).

oladulce - 9-15-2014 at 07:31 AM

Next time I'll start the "on-scene reports" thread earlier in the storm event to help separate the topic. Doug's impression seems correct, that people will continue to post on the original thread no matter how long it gets. I'll keep this thread going anyway...

9/15 8:30am Punta Pequeña/San Juanico
84° 70% Scattered light rain with sun poking through small break in mostly cloudy sky. Wind just changed and is coming from the North/NE ( at 15mph.)

The 5am update had the center passing over here at 80mph this evening. We'll know in 29 minutes if that's changed.

Bob and Susan - 9-15-2014 at 07:35 AM

pic at 8:30 am on the bay in mulege

rained once...lots of water

starting to rain now...
clouds moving east really fast

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dtbushpilot - 9-15-2014 at 07:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by grizzlyfsh95
East cape report?


Still a bit windy and rainy, got our a$$es kicked last night. The beach is a mess, washes running, water looks like chocolate milk. I haven't ventured out past my house yet, I still have some water to clean up but will go look around later. Have you heard from Lizzie?

mulegemichael - 9-15-2014 at 08:25 AM

keep us in the loop, dt....

bajalorena - 9-15-2014 at 08:32 AM

David, if you get as far as a few doors down, can you look over the wall from the empty lot next door and see if our storm boards managed to stay up on the beach side? Gracias in advance.
Lorraine and John

grizzlyfsh95 - 9-15-2014 at 09:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Quote:
Originally posted by grizzlyfsh95
East cape report?


Still a bit windy and rainy, got our a$$es kicked last night. The beach is a mess, washes running, water looks like chocolate milk. I haven't ventured out past my house yet, I still have some water to clean up but will go look around later. Have you heard from Lizzie?


The usual damage, trees, blew off one large storm shutter, patio covers, TV dish etc...but nobody hurt....so far Ohala

La Ribera

LaRibereña - 9-15-2014 at 09:26 AM

Electricity/Internet off, cell phone service out, but phones are working. Friend's rain gauge overflowed at 5", trees stripped, some damage reported but will post more later as it comes in. I'm sure the flooded arroyos have isolated the town so no access.

tripledigitken - 9-15-2014 at 09:40 AM

more photos of Cabo..............

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/...

chuckie - 9-15-2014 at 09:44 AM

Those Cabo pics say a lot....

rhintransit - 9-15-2014 at 09:56 AM

Heavy rain, wind in Loreto, nasty but not bad yet. Odile due here within the hour. Waves crashing over the malecon, sidewalks and streets, flooded.

Sweetwater - 9-15-2014 at 09:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
Quote:
Originally posted by Longpig
https://twitter.com/hashtag/hurricaneodile?src=hash&mode...


Yes. I was trying to find a way to save photos from Twitter and post here.

To all Nomads, there are a lot of photos and first hand reports on Twitter.


view image, copy location...









SFandH - 9-15-2014 at 10:00 AM

why are there two threads going again?

RicksinSD - 9-15-2014 at 10:04 AM

Hi Nomads, I was at Playa Grande last month, here is a link with the before and after (after was taken from Washington post pic above).

Before and After Playa Grande Resort

[Edited on 9-15-2014 by RicksinSD]

Mula - 9-15-2014 at 10:08 AM

11 am in Lopez Mateos and really cranking up now. Noisy, wet and scary!

Bob and Susan - 9-15-2014 at 10:33 AM

mulege on the bay
1130am 9-15


its windy and raining

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oladulce - 9-15-2014 at 10:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SFandH
why are there two threads going again?


The other thread was started exactly one week ago and contains pages of pre-event forecasts, anecdotes etc. I started this one as an experiment to see if it's easier to follow for current conditions and status reports during the storm as well as storm related photos. I had hoped the title would explain the difference but maybe it's too confusing.

Hang tight Mula.
Bajalinda???

LaTijereta - 9-15-2014 at 10:50 AM

Loreto's web cam back on-line.. Now looks to be stopped on 11:34am...
:O

http://www.webcamsdemexico.com/webcam-loreto.html

[Edited on 9-15-2014 by LaTijereta]

Pescador - 9-15-2014 at 10:54 AM

We went out to put up Hurricane Cloth at Punta Chivato this morning and hit a storm cell on the way out that dumped a big load of rain and wind, but things are settled down a little bit right now. None of the Arroyos North of Mulege are running water. The road to Chivato was 4 wheel drive needed so that will probably go out pretty quick when the rain starts in earnest.
The locals have prepared well and it is almost impossible to find beer anywhere in Santa Rosalia. I saw one truck loading up and they bought everything available from the little Pacifico store on the north side of the malecon.

Bob and Susan - 9-15-2014 at 11:03 AM

its a holiday today...no beer sales

no beer !!

captkw - 9-15-2014 at 11:06 AM

I would assume that law/rule went out the window today !!

DENNIS - 9-15-2014 at 11:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
its a holiday today...no beer sales


You're kidding. Right??

DENNIS - 9-15-2014 at 11:15 AM

Come'on Bob. Tell'em you're joking before it causes a panic. :?:

Bob53 - 9-15-2014 at 11:21 AM

Too late!

dtbushpilot - 9-15-2014 at 11:54 AM

The first arroyo going north from Los Barriles is running bank to bank, people to the north will be stranded for a while. Lots of flooding and debris in the road, some palapa roofs damaged. The big palapa in Buena Vista was flattened as well as the small ones to the south of it. Lots of work to do.....

Mula - 9-15-2014 at 11:58 AM

Almost 1pm here in Lopez. Still nasty - strong wind, rain, and very noisy but I don't think we are getting the worst of it.

I think the eye is north of us toward Loreto now.

Still no power or telephones. TV and Satellite Internet are working with the generator.

Pescador - 9-15-2014 at 12:01 PM

Actually I think it is the 16th which is Dia De Independencia which would be tomorrow. Several were open, but the others said they sold out early. I know they are closed tomorrow.

Bob and Susan - 9-15-2014 at 12:06 PM

today banks and govt closed holiday

Dianamo - 9-15-2014 at 12:24 PM

Thank you for the update dtbushpilot on Los Barilles.

Many of us from points north, El Cardonal, Punta Pescadero, etc. are worried about our neighbors. We've had no communication since yesterday morning. Please post any info you receive. Thanks!:saint:

dtbushpilot - 9-15-2014 at 12:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajalorena
David, if you get as far as a few doors down, can you look over the wall from the empty lot next door and see if our storm boards managed to stay up on the beach side? Gracias in advance.
Lorraine and John


One board on the south side came off, all others in place. You have a little bit of clean up to do like everyone else but I didn't see any structural issues. I sent you an email with a couple of pictures, let me know if you don't get them and I'll try something else.

DENNIS - 9-15-2014 at 12:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bob and Susan
today banks and govt closed holiday


It's a good thing they don't sell beer.

Bob and Susan - 9-15-2014 at 01:07 PM

50mph and water like a firehose

wow

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Nancy Drew - 9-15-2014 at 01:26 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/infinity-pool-falls-sea-...

the infinity pool collapsed into the sea

ignatz - 9-15-2014 at 01:37 PM

Los Cabos airport isn't looking too good.. almost unreal how damaged it got.

PHOTO REMOVED BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT AIRPORT.
link to original photo: http://www.itravel-cabo.com/news/cabo-news/cabo-airport-tras...

EDIT: You know.. what part of the airport even is that? It's not the old terminal.. and it looks too large to be the new terminal, yet the photo is supposedly of the airport this morning.

[Edited on 9-15-2014 by ignatz]

[Edited on 9-15-2014 by ignatz]

[Edited on 9-15-2014 by ignatz]

Nancy Drew - 9-15-2014 at 01:38 PM

Here is a video link uploaded on Youtube an around the town look at some of the devastation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_79982...

BajaBlanca - 9-15-2014 at 01:45 PM

We are getting slammed right now with wind and sandstorm.

sprinkles of rain

no big waves

how the heck is the internet still up and running? and electricity still on? will wonders never cease.

Les says the worst is coming at 10 pm. I hope I am sound asleep cause right now it sounds as if the house is going to lift up just like in the wizard of oz. and our house and B&B are both built like fortresses.

My heart goes out to those who live in little rinky dink houses in town - no way are they going to stand up to these sustained winds if this goes on too much longer as predicted.

No pics - I shattered the glass on my Ipad and will have to hunt for the camera.

oladulce - 9-15-2014 at 01:53 PM

Punta Pequeña/SJ 2:50pm

Wind still fairly light and just increased to 18-24mph from the North. Light rain. But the pressure is down the 997mb and the weather monitor keeps flashing the message - "falling rapidly".

Nothing special to see in a photo yet.

No Beer

blackwolfmt - 9-15-2014 at 02:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captkw
I would assume that law/rule went out the window today !!


I guess this kid is breaking the law then





[Edited on 9-15-2014 by blackwolfmt]

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Phil C - 9-15-2014 at 02:47 PM

Oladulce, might be time for a new thread, this one seems to have degenerated into a beer sales thread.

bajalorena - 9-15-2014 at 03:33 PM

David, thanks for checking our house, and for the pictures. Good luck with the cleanup at yours.

oladulce - 9-16-2014 at 10:27 AM

Punta Pequeña/ SanJuanico BCS Sept 16 11am

At 7pm last night Hurricane Odile passed 30 miles inland (centered between coasts in this part of the peninsula) and was reported to have sustained winds at 65mph. At that time the wind here was 10-15 mph from the North. The barometer was at it’s lowest between 6pm-8pm at 989.6 mB and a ceiling of dark clouds rotated overhead. Eerie, but fairly calm and no rain.

The strongest wind was on the backside and came from the West starting around 11pm and continued until 2am this morning. It maintained steady 40-45mph with stronger gusts that shook our very sturdy reinforced block house like an earthquake.

Total rainfall 2” and it’s still drizzling off and on. Wind has been from the South all morning at 15-20 mph.

The ocean is brown which only happens after significant rain occurs in the mountains to make Rio La Purisima flow (20 miles South), and the esteros open up at Cadejé and Raymundo, 10 miles to the North. Water is more brown now than it was after Hurricane John which caused a huge debris flow out the rivers in to the Pacific.

Sorry for the delay in the report to friends and neighbors who were waiting for an update. Don’t know road conditions in and out of here yet. It wasn’t bad here but most of the weather was on the Right side of the storm and will have impacted the roads.





Zola - 9-16-2014 at 07:44 PM

San Juanico/Punta Pequeña

There are impassable arroyos 8 miles south of town, and so the town is unreachable from the south and must also be unreachable from the north roads.

oladulce - 9-17-2014 at 07:51 AM

San Juanico, BCS

As Zola mentioned, the first hurdle is only 10 miles South of town.






The cops received a radio report that 60 miles further South, along the 12 miles of road work and bridge construction (where they removed pavement) between Las Barrancas and Insurgentes will require extensive repairs which can't begin until the flooded arroyos recede.

Omar (motorcycle) had just ridden his moto on the NorthRoad from SJ and could not get past the La Ballena arroyo. His parents live far up the Ballena arroyo almost to the Mulege side where their rancho sits on a bluff above a deep canyon. His Dad said at one point the water from the riverbed below was so high it neared the rim of the canyon.

Indicator of torrential rain and immense power of moving water: When intact date palm trees are ripped from the ground in La Purisima, carried to the mouth of the river at San Gregorio, and swept with the current 20 miles awayin less than one day.



[Edited on 9-17-2014 by oladulce]

capt. mike - 9-17-2014 at 08:33 AM

That beer was looting. It was widely reported at Cabo.

fishnbaja1 - 9-17-2014 at 01:12 PM

Second attempt at posting Hurricane Odile pictures

cj5orion - 9-17-2014 at 01:49 PM

Hwy5 as of tuesday
OK...a few rocks on the road,a few big puddles.
NO WASHOUTS !

Gonzaga...little to nada damage

David K - 9-17-2014 at 01:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishnbaja1
Second attempt at posting Hurricane Odile pictures


This is the first post on the Baja Photo Gallery Forum:


We can help! Here's the step by step using one of the photo hosting sites 'Photobucket.com':

UPDATED FEB. 2014


There are many photo hosting sites, Photobucket.com is one used by many here, it is free for basic membership and very cheap for advanced.

1) Create an album for your trip or subject on Photobucket.

2) Click Upload (top center) to transfer photos from your PC folder to your Photobucket album.

3) Click on the gear symbol on the right corner of the box you see on the screen...





4) Select 800 (full size) or 640 (large size) for Nomad posting...



100x75 is the Avatar size, fyi.

5) Click SAVE!

6) Select photos you want to share on Nomad (or other forums) by pressing the Choose Photos & Videos button (or for the entire folder of photos, click Choose Folder).


Once done with uploading photos, make your post here on Baja Nomad and add photos using the IMG link from the choices of links for each photo in your album. Copy and paste that link in your Nomad thread, double spacing between links. Add a caption to the photo if desired... Click Preview Post to check your post... if okay, click Post Reply.

fishnbaja1 - 9-17-2014 at 02:17 PM

If this works, all the credit goes to David K.

Once again, photos of Hurricane Odile's damage at the Orchard. I apologize if I'm not posting them in the correct thread.



http://s1381.photobucket.com/user/fishnbaja1/library/Hurrica...

Nancy Drew - 9-17-2014 at 02:22 PM

The Hyatt Ziva

http://www.enjoygram.com/m/811476263507169075_483655098


http://www.enjoygram.com/m/811480304677130101_483655098


[Edited on 9-17-2014 by Nancy Drew]

BillP - 9-17-2014 at 03:00 PM

A short FB La Paz update from Jonathan Roldan.

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.roldan.7

ecomujeres - 9-17-2014 at 07:00 PM

David K,

Why is it that when I follow the above instructions, but using Flickr, all I get is the flickr link with the img tags on either side. If I skip the img tags, I still get the link. What needs to happen for the image to actually display?

Thanks for any help.

mtzracing - 9-17-2014 at 07:09 PM

Can anyone here report the road condition today from Gonzaga to Coco's and beyond? I'm assuming the Tarmac from SF to Gonzaga is passable?

Thanks in advance,
MTZ

Info from Los Barriles ?

cftlet - 9-17-2014 at 07:40 PM

I have been reading everything on Baja Nomads and find very little about Los Barriles. I have a little casita In Buenas Aires ( about 300 yards behind Pescadore Hotel). Has anybody got any information about the Buenas Aires area? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

sd - 9-17-2014 at 07:53 PM

cftlet - You are probably OK. I have had emails from a few friends, one very close to you who all report minimal damage.

vjfamily - 9-17-2014 at 08:16 PM

Re Los Barriles, I suggest you send a question
to BPE, the wedsite is:

TheBajaponyexpress.com

(ISLA) San Juanico, BCS Sept 20

oladulce - 9-20-2014 at 10:33 AM

Our friend Omar reports that yesterday a tractor went from SJ to Arroyo Los Burros (approx 18 miles South of SJ) and attempted to clear a path across. This is the large arroyo 1 mile inland from the junction of Rio La Purisima near the outflow to the ocean at Punta San Gregorio. It’s about ¼ mile wide and the road passes across the entire riverbed here.The tractor and many people with shovels worked to clear a path to drive through but every time he made a pass with the bucket, the mud and water would fill back in so they were not successful.



A few guys waded across at Los Burros and walked 1½ hrs to the next problem spot on this road- the “San Ramon” crossing (at Rancho Saucito and La Purisima river). This is about 20-22 miles South of SJ. Omar says almost all of the concrete causeway they finished last year is gone. The old route around the causeway, through the water and up the riverbank bank isn't an option because of the high water level and the ramp along the bank was washed away.

The old dirt road to La Purisima crosses both of these rivers also and won’t be an option anytime soon so there is still no getting in or out from the South, and no access to the East Road to attempt to cross the peninsula.

To the North of SJ, the road from La Ballena through the mountains to Mulege (“Ice house road”) was wiped out and access to the ranchos is by horseback only.

North Road via salt flats- no information, but silly to even ask at this point…

Yesterday a superpanga came in from Lopez Mateos (approx 110 miles ) with canned food to distribute as needed and 2 days after the storm another superpanga came in and picked up 3 pregnant ladies and took them, in post-storm sea conditions, to be closer to the hospital in Cd Constitucion. Travel by sea is the only guaranteed way to access San Juanico at this point.

Eventually someone will plow through and be able to get in or out but it’ll be a very long time before delivery trucks, vendors, propane guys, and the local families that sell gas can get their trucks in or out. There’s no gasoline being sold, and store shelves have become bare over the past few days as folks realize it may be awhile. Life continues to hum along…

I don’t live within the town limits and don’t know about the fuel status for the power plant or pump for the town’s water supply so maybe someone else can add that info.

San Juanico Town beach



[Edited on 9-20-2014 by oladulce]

cj5orion - 9-20-2014 at 06:32 PM

Didnt get on the road to coco,s
But I saw a lot of cars,trucks,n cycles.
Going south n coming north

Zola - 9-21-2014 at 09:56 AM

San Juanico update

The north roads remain totally unpassable. Do not make the attempt until there is word of improvement. The road to the Laguna south of San Igancio is inundated, and there is an unpassable arroyo at la Ballena closer to town. One local person left his car at the arroyo, swam across, and walked to town, according to a report I had this morning.

I have heard that the south road might be cleared as early as Tuesday, but I have no confirmed reports. Oladulce is on the ground at the scene, while I am writing from California on the basis of what is related to me.

Adjusting to Island life, San Juancio BCS 9/21/14

oladulce - 9-21-2014 at 11:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zola

...I have heard that the south road might be cleared as early as Tuesday, but I have no confirmed reports.


Maybe they're referring to the Santo Domingo arroyo on the highway near Insurgentes? That would be close enough to civilization to have the equipment to work on the road. The 2 big local arroyos are the biggest obstacles to getting in and out of San Juanico/ Cadeje etc and there's no equipment or work crews out here. When it comes to crossing those arroyos, there won't be an "opening day" for a road. For a while at least, it'll depending on when you're willing to take the risk.

Talked to Pancho this AM and he was able to drive the South road out yesterday. Asked him how it was and he shook his head while saying "muy,muy malo". He made it though Burros and San Ramon arroyos and got as far as the Santo Domingo arroyo near Insurgentes but that's still full and impassable. A couple days ago there was a panga ferrying people across where this arroyo crosses the highway, if you want to leave your car on the other side that is.

Lots of thunder yesterday afternoon with clouds over the mesas and the smell of rain in the air. No rain here, but it might have added more water to flooded arroyos. Clouds started building up early today.

There won't be any gas for a while, so we're conserving and not doing a lot of exploring so some of my information is 2nd hand reports. But we saw video of the conditions at Los Burros and San Ramon crossings taken 2 days ago and it actually worse than what had been described. WOW! Even after the water level drops it's going to be sketchy for a while.

Tomas Tierra - 9-21-2014 at 12:17 PM

OlaDulce,
Have you heard anything at all about San Jose de Gracia , El Datil area??
So , so worried about dear friends in those areas..

TT

[Edited on 9-21-2014 by Tomas Tierra]

merlin - 9-21-2014 at 03:23 PM

Ahhh, it ain't so bad! It's a beautiful day. Launched the panga and caught a handful of tuna today. There are thunderheads up in the mountains so it may rain and fill the arroyos again but, don't stress, it's just a couple of days before they get the road open. As a matter of fact, two guys just showed up that made it through from the south - they said the water was deep and the road was rough but they made it!

It's a step backward, for sure, but things will get back to normal (for here) very soon. Keep a positive outlook and be thankful - our dear friends to the south have a lot more to deal with than we do.

Enjoy the day!

Tomas Tierra - 9-21-2014 at 03:27 PM

Sure sounds like a lot of water for San Jose to handle

gnukid - 9-21-2014 at 04:15 PM

200 cars per hour arrive in La Paz from Cabo
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/ingresan-hasta-200-vehiculos-por-h...

gnukid - 9-21-2014 at 05:04 PM

Mass exodus from Cabo and elsewhere to go to la Paz for food, a few remain home to protect possessions, inspections exist at many locations to identify thieves with new items and no receipts-no exceptions, curfew starts at 10pm-no excuses, no place to go for many. Long line for drinking water at the ayuntamiento La Paz -all enforced by all three levels of government, municipio of Cabo San Lucas is accused of failure to respond properly with police and support preceding chaos.

Issue in Cabo with the criminal element, even a gang of professors were arrested for looting, there are reportedly organized 26 gangs identified in Cabo who now have no other source of food or income or support except theft. Standoffs have occurred betweens gangs and police, with violence, rocks, guns, injury and deaths though not reported in the news.

Lots of improvement all around and great support from La Paz and among neighbors. Three mobile health stations. Walmart and Soriana open tomorrow reportedly. One more week of school break.

gnukid - 9-21-2014 at 05:35 PM

Federal Police Arriving to La Paz from Mainland to increase patrols

Navy Transportation to Pichelingue Port to bring supplies and equipment


Cabo workers back at work saying goodbye to last Tourists leaving on bus


The Aramburo cow os La Paz survived


Police Vehicles Arriving to help patrol BCS


CFE equipment arriving by Ferry to Pichelingue to repair power lines


More help and equipment arriving by ferry to BCS



[Edited on 9-22-2014 by gnukid]

gnukid - 9-21-2014 at 05:47 PM

Apparently Telmex turned on all homes phones regardless of payment + 75 pesos credit to all telcel cell phones. Moviestar has opened all cell calls for free.

chuckie - 9-21-2014 at 05:47 PM

Not sure what I am looking at in the pictures?

chuckie - 9-21-2014 at 05:57 PM

Thanks 1st time I looked no captions...

gnukid - 9-21-2014 at 06:04 PM

US embassy is encouraging any US Citizens to leave unless you have a permanent base with supplies

mtgoat666 - 9-21-2014 at 06:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by merlin
Ahhh, it ain't so bad! It's a beautiful day. Launched the panga and caught a handful of tuna today.


Let them eat cake!

gnukid - 9-21-2014 at 07:27 PM

Hmmm?



[Edited on 9-22-2014 by gnukid]

gnukid - 9-21-2014 at 07:32 PM

From Baja Pony Express
A team from the U.S. State Department will be at Palmas de Cortez Hotel tomorrow morning, Monday, to help Americans and Canadians who need assistance and evacuation. But see the next sentence......they may not be able to get to Los Barriles!
Just got a call, this morning the bridge just south of Miraflores is out and NOT PASSABLE. A gentleman at the site said it will take two or three days???
The airports at San Jose del Cabo and La Paz are open and flying out evacuees.
Rained today on the EastCape.
I will update as soon as I receive more information.

oladulce - 9-23-2014 at 07:17 AM

Friends, Amigos, and neighbors, or anyone waiting for Punta Pequeña/San Juanico updates is welcome to contact me directly and I'll try to help.

shari - 9-23-2014 at 07:50 AM

thanks so much for the updates in San Juanico etc. Now we know why hurricane preparedness is so important...stockpile water, food, gas etc. Maybe now people will take it more seriously.

I am really very proud of the mexican government for getting things going soooo quickly.

vandenberg - 9-23-2014 at 08:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
.

I am really very proud of the mexican government for getting things going soooo quickly.


Setting an example for our US bumbling government.:biggrin:

Zola - 9-27-2014 at 09:45 AM

Any word on conditions in San Juanico?