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Help build an eco -resort

ligui - 6-28-2015 at 06:54 AM

We are still holding onto our property ensenada blanca . Anyone want to join up and build a small eco danzante type resort ?

7 acres on private beach .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc_kEJ27tc4&feature=fvw


AKgringo - 6-28-2015 at 09:04 AM

I love that part of Baja! What level of participation is required, and what sort of benefit would be realized?

I did not follow the link provided in the video, I get enough e-promotions already. You can reply by U2U if you prefer.

David K - 6-28-2015 at 09:57 AM

I wish you all the luck and support I can Ligüí!

Bajahowodd - 6-29-2015 at 04:01 PM

We all know what happened to Danzante courtesy of the Villa Group. Methinks you ought to look elsewhere.

That said, the Villa property has been struggling simply because of the availability of flights to Loreto and its distance from town.

chuckie - 6-29-2015 at 04:52 PM

The mini "Eco resort" Ecomundo on Concepcion bay flourished for a while and faded away....enjoyed it in it's various re incarnations.....Met a lot of nice folks there

Pompano - 6-29-2015 at 05:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
The mini "Eco resort" Ecomundo on Concepcion bay flourished for a while and faded away....enjoyed it in it's various re incarnations.....Met a lot of nice folks there


Yes, chuckie... Ecomundo was a nice place to stop in for a beer, sandwich, and a talk. Ranger Roy, his Thai bride, and a few other characters of the finest kind. Unfortunately it did not last long enough. Like a lot of start-ups in the Mulege area, you just got used to it, then in wink of an eye..it was gone.

I wish greater success for liqui's project. It seems to be in a more populated area and should draw more clients.


ligui - 6-30-2015 at 06:43 AM

Bajahowodd , i already have the property why would i look else where . Danzante was bought out by the villa group for over 5 million dollars . I'd not unhappy if that happened to me .

Very glad we are out of town and we will see what we will see .

Should be fun trying . :bounce:

Bajahowodd - 6-30-2015 at 03:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ligui  
Bajahowodd , i already have the property why would i look else where . Danzante was bought out by the villa group for over 5 million dollars . I'd not unhappy if that happened to me .

Very glad we are out of town and we will see what we will see .

Should be fun trying . :bounce:


Or selling to Villa Group for phase two of Viilas De Palmar Loreto?:lol:

chuckie - 6-30-2015 at 03:58 PM

Or Trump? Wodd. you should go into the business of offering DUH advice....

Bob and Susan - 6-30-2015 at 04:11 PM

the eco resort was a 80's 90's concept...

Danzante was built during that era...don't hold your breath having the villa group buying you out

I wonder if an eco resort would even draw people today
It was before the internet
People today need "action" and technology

and things now are way more expensive to build and "staff"

what would the ROI be on an investment like this

Are there ANY eco resorts left in Baja right now...I wonder

I like ligui's "out of the box" thinking but I think its an old plan that just never took off

maybe build an assisted housing development for "old guys"
those make a ton of money and they seem to always be full

chuckie - 6-30-2015 at 04:24 PM

Good comments! I don't know of any "eco' sites in Baja, younger folk don't seem to care.....Your last thought was a good one....And I think could be a money maker....Lots of us are getting old (er) I turned 80 2 weeks ago, and are concerned about going back to Baja alone....Be interesting to put a trial balloon out there and see if they was much interest...I would be interested.I'll try to put together some thoughts on requirements for old guys...Thanks

SFandH - 6-30-2015 at 04:38 PM

Serious question, how does an eco-resort differ from a regular resort of the same size?

One description of eco resort

Whale-ista - 6-30-2015 at 04:46 PM


(Sustainable design, low impact, remote location near protected areas etc to name a few.)

The health benefits of spending time in nature are well-documented, as are the stress-relieving benefits of taking a vacation. Travelers looking to really get away from it all, and help conserve some of the world's most pristine natural habitats, should consider de-stressing at a relaxing and secluded eco-resort.

Good for your stress levels and for the environment, these destinations are both tranquil and invigorating, often featuring spa services and complimentary yoga classes alongside rainforest tours and water sports. And it's a vacation you can feel good about : From a private island and reserve off the coast of Zanzibar equipped with the latest eco-technology to a sustainable lodge celebrating Pueblo culture in Taos, New Mexico, all are committed to preserving the surrounding land, benefiting native communities and employing local staff.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/16/relaxing-eco-resorts_n_286...

[Edited on 6-30-2015 by Whale-ista]

SFandH - 6-30-2015 at 05:16 PM

Thanks whale-ista. I guess I'd like better a geezer resort like Bob and Susan and Chuckie are talking about.

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I'll try to put together some thoughts on requirements for old guys...Thanks


Shade palapas with zero gravity lounge chairs. example

Rental boats with steering wheels and motors.

A tiki bar, heavily shaded with a gentle breeze blowing through and umbrella drinks. example

Somebody else to go to town for supplies and find firewood for campfires.

A supply of old boating and sportsman magazines.

Walking paths between buildings with solid footing to prevent capsizes. Especially to and from the tiki bar.

A billiards table for exercise.

Lots of comfortable chairs.

No noise, ever.


[Edited on 7-1-2015 by SFandH]

mulegemichael - 6-30-2015 at 07:45 PM

yeah, whalista, most of us old geezers don't want "spa services" and "yoga classes"....we want peace and quiet and no close neighbors...spa services?????....really????...i don't want to see another human being let alone a spa instructor.

soulpatch - 6-30-2015 at 09:01 PM

I watched the video but what is your vision?
I am interested in these types of projects in Latin America but I am curious what you envision for a development and what type of client you are trying to attract.

chuckie - 6-30-2015 at 09:42 PM

SF&H pretty much nailed it....Maybe a curmudgeon of the month contest....

bajaguy - 6-30-2015 at 09:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan  
the eco resort was a 80's 90's concept...

Danzante was built during that era...don't hold your breath having the villa group buying you out

I wonder if an eco resort would even draw people today
It was before the internet
People today need "action" and technology

and things now are way more expensive to build and "staff"

what would the ROI be on an investment like this

Are there ANY eco resorts left in Baja right now...I wonder

I like ligui's "out of the box" thinking but I think its an old plan that just never took off

maybe build an assisted housing development for "old guys"
those make a ton of money and they seem to always be full





If anyone could develop a few small (in terms of resident population) well designed and operated assisted living/senior housing facilities in Baja that would incorporate SFandH's suggestions, they could probably make a pile of cash,

bajabuddha - 6-30-2015 at 10:21 PM


posted on 6-30-2015 at 22:21


In other words,

"A reech-beetch-beach-greengolandia-on-the-cheep weeth free dreenks and no teeps and 24/7 seecuritee?"..... close?
SIGN ME UP. :bounce:

Oh yeah... and when somebody weeth a boat sez "LAUNCH" we all get free home taco deeliveree !!! :lol:

[Edited on 7-1-2015 by bajabuddha]

[Edited on 7-1-2015 by bajabuddha]


[Edited on 7-1-2015 by bajabuddha]

chuckie - 7-1-2015 at 03:35 AM

I just wish SF&H had given us a few examples of Tiki bars...

Ligui

captkw - 7-1-2015 at 09:08 AM

Johns house and prop is one of the most "Stunning" view's I have seen in Baja,, bar none !! I don't think for a second he wants to make a killing (aka buck's) more like he love's the place (me too) and want's to do something with/for it.....:cool:

Mexitron - 7-1-2015 at 09:16 AM

Sell it to Wildcoast or the Nature Conservancy to keep it unbuilt.

ligui - 7-1-2015 at 12:37 PM

Was thinking something like this . http://www.hotelendemico.com/explora.html

Not the blue prints just thoughts of the direction to work toward .

Martyman - 7-1-2015 at 02:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mulegemichael  
yeah, whalista, most of us old geezers don't want "spa services" and "yoga classes"....we want peace and quiet and no close neighbors...spa services?????....really????...i don't want to see another human being let alone a spa instructor.


A Spa instructor is the person teaching you how to push the buttons on the hot tub.

I might be qualified.

chuckie - 7-1-2015 at 02:41 PM

No hot tubs......

Laying about !!

captkw - 7-1-2015 at 03:41 PM

I'm thinking European gal's sunning and enjoying the view..

StuckSucks - 7-1-2015 at 03:44 PM

I had to look up Danzante, then realized it was located near Nopoló. Danzante sounded like a great idea - Nopoló, not so much (aka awful).

In doing my search, I bumped into this 2008 article from National Geographic Traveler - sorry if this is a repost: Is Baja on the Block?

Bajahowodd - 7-1-2015 at 03:46 PM

I have to commend Ligui for his dream.

What I am not sure about is the future of Loreto. It represents what is probably the most failed attempt by Fonatur. The infrastructure is there, but after all these years, so little development.

Could be a good thing for many of the locals. With the possible exception of the family that owns the Hacienda Suites, because the Villa Group built that Hotel Santa Fe right next to them.

Villa Group is quite a wealthy company. They have been paying for flights from their properties in Cabo up to Loreto to see if they can sell timeshares to their current owners. Kind of a pricey presentation,
but they have the money. It's about already over-selling their other properties, and trying to get people to still book.

The Mayan Palace people, formally known as Vidanta, built a huge resort at Rocky Point. It is easily drivable from the states.

These folks actually have a dedicated, full time theater for a Cirque De Soleil troup on their property by Playa Del Carmen.

My heart says that Loreto should remain as it is. I just wory that will not happen.

SFandH - 7-1-2015 at 05:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ligui  
We are still holding onto our property ensenada blanca . Anyone want to join up and build a small eco danzante type resort ?

7 acres on private beach .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc_kEJ27tc4&feature=fvw



Why not a RV park? Prohibit loud Mexican pop music and have available Canadian beer and Canadian sharp cheddar and you'll fill the place up for the winter. Call it RV Park Hoja de Arce.

A sure winner.

ligui - 7-1-2015 at 06:13 PM

eh !

David K - 7-1-2015 at 06:40 PM

A Camp Gecko-like campground/ RV park (pre 2005 era) with a central guest/hospitality room for events, BBQs, pot lucks, Internet, and maybe some activities on occasion.

Not sure why it has to be Canadian beer, as Mexican beer rocks? Whatever the guest wants however... is how to stay in business!

Genecag - 7-3-2015 at 09:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ligui  
Was thinking something like this . http://www.hotelendemico.com/explora.html

Not the blue prints just thoughts of the direction to work toward .


This place is doing extremely well. Rooms start at $350+ and are routinely booked solid.

They are enjoying the whole boom in Valle de Guadalupe with large traffic from US and money to support their resort.

Bob and Susan - 7-3-2015 at 12:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Genecag  
Quote: Originally posted by ligui  
Was thinking something like this . http://www.hotelendemico.com/explora.html



This place is doing extremely well. Rooms start at $350+ and are routinely booked solid.

They are enjoying the whole boom in Valle de Guadalupe with large traffic from US and money to support their resort.


really...have you looked at the "books"
...I don't think so

I love that place too...what a great idea...only if I was younger

also 5 million for the little B&B eco-resort in loreto...nope

they sold for under a million...took their horses and rode into the sunset

forget rv parks...those big dinosauras rv homes are all but gone form the road in baja...too expensive to operate...

my advice...build small...I mean tiny with a garage...sell the houses...rent the land...

never sell empty lots...
you'll be in a construction zone the rest of time
and some people will NEVER finsh their unit

they will leave ugly block boxes up forever...people are dreamers

if you want an association...it HAS to be made before ANY sales...and everyone that buys HAS to join with a HUGE enforceable fine if they don't pay dues
some wont pay later...it happens all the time

I should write a kindle book hahaha sorry

chuckie - 7-3-2015 at 12:38 PM

350/DAY? Geezers are talkin 350/MONTH.....Maybe more with good looking ladies around....400?

motoged - 7-3-2015 at 12:43 PM

Chuckie,
What do think is more realistic for your consumption.....good Canadian beer and cheddar (not that Tillamook wannabe cheeze).....or a bunch of good-lookin' babes ???

Yeah....in your dreams.....;D

Bob and Susan - 7-3-2015 at 12:50 PM

$350 is not a bad price for a nice place...
you haven't traveled too much lately

it's not the 70's anymore...even though that's where I live

chuckie - 7-3-2015 at 01:07 PM

I rent a lovely place in Mulege now, in Loma Azul for 300/month...Been in Mulege on and off for over 30 years.....I liked the 60's mo bettuh....

Bajahowodd - 7-3-2015 at 04:48 PM

Simply, the valley has become a go to place for the well-heeled yuppies. Especially those in So Cal who don't want to drive all the way up the coast to the Napa wine country. That is how they afford those daily rates.

SFandH - 7-3-2015 at 04:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd  
Simply, the valley has become a go to place for the well-heeled yuppies. Especially those in So Cal who don't want to drive all the way up the coast to the Napa wine country. That is how they afford those daily rates.


That's true, plus, unlike the Loreto area, there are literally millions of people living within driving distance, many quite wealthy.

Whale-ista - 7-3-2015 at 05:07 PM

Edit:
I would consider many things that are beyond the control of the property owner that add value to the overall experience, and give people a reason to travel/stay there, before investing in something like this.

I'm not familiar with this location, but people are generally willing to pay for a memorable/rare/out of the ordinary experience- so, what does this place have to offer beyond lovely views, relaxation etc.?

The Ignacio Springs folks seem to be doing well: home-style meals, deliciously prepared. Yurts that are comfy but low impact. Near whales in springtime, cave painting, fishing, birdwatching etc. other times of year.

Having water adjacent is nice (usually) tho fire hazard is an issue in oasis. (see http://ignaciosprings.com/ )

No water? Wine works (Guadalupe).

Add good food, locally produced cheese, olive oils, seafood and entertainment a short drive away...

These are a few of the ingredients that other "eco" places have that make them popular.




[Edited on 7-4-2015 by Whale-ista]

Bajahowodd - 7-4-2015 at 04:03 PM





Add good food, locally produced cheese, olive oils, seafood and entertainment a short drive away...

These are a few of the ingredients that other "eco" places have that make them popular.

I did not know that there was a multi-plex in San Ignacio.:lol::lol::lol:




[Edited on 7-4-2015 by Whale-ista][/rquote]

SFandH - 7-4-2015 at 05:08 PM

So the eco-geezer-resort with zero-gravity recliners in shade palapas stocked with old surfer magazines and next to the Tiki Bar has been voted down?

Darn. I'd pay $25 a night to stay there.

Bob and Susan - 7-4-2015 at 05:44 PM

think out of the box...casino eco resort...always FULL