Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  | | Quote: Originally posted by Pescador | | Quote: Originally posted by DianaT | | Quote: Originally posted by Pescador | I thought I knew something about the arguments on both sides of the issue but I found the most informative book on the issue to be:
Climate Change: The Facts Paperback – April 21, 2015
by J.Abbot (Author), J.S. Armstrong (Author), A.Bolt (Author), R.Carter (Author), & 20 more
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That was my point Diane, This issue is so divisive and depending on your perspective you are either a "believer" or a "denier". A parallel issue
exhibits itself when you have "Christians" and "Muslims" arguing over who is right. Depending on how you see the world, you can only see one
perspective and find it impossible to understand where the other side comes from. When I was a youngster, Science was a perspective and all sides
were open for discussion and proof. No one assumed that they understood all of the little nuances of thought and open discussion was welcomed in the
hope of discovering the truth. This has not happened with the scientific thought behind Global Warming. If we had accepted all of the ideas put
forth by Al Gore in his propaganda movie, we would be awash in high water, the Polar Bears would all be dead, and people would be dying by the
thousands. Instead, we are finding that things are pretty much the same as always, the earth has built in adjustment and compensating mechanisms, and
the only constant that we see is that this issue has become a political religion with "believers" and "deniers" but we have somehow thrown true
science out the window and we spend all of our time justifying our beliefs about how the world functions and damn those who see it any differently.
So I read a book that has some very fine arguments about the foolishness going on with trying to get everyone to believe in some silly computer models
that have shown we are on the "eve of destruction". When that destruction did not come to pass, as predicted by Al Gore and the likes, we change the
discussion slightly but the basic belief remains the same. If somehow, we could get back to true "science" instead of pre-disposed ideology, then we
might truly begin to understand what is going on. So, I challenge you to read the book and then we can have an informed discussion instead of a
useless replay of political positions. Of course, I could get upset and chop off your head like the Christians and Muslims, but on the same vein, you
could do the same to me. So when we get through chopping off our heads, I suspect that the world goes on doing its own thing, which it has been doing
for millions of years anyway. |
You found a book that backed up your opinion. I won't dismiss reading it, but I have been researching the book, and well...... and I guess I just
can't buy your analogy --- two very different subjects. It just doesn't work. I have read the other side in the form of essays, etc., I just have
more faith in the scientists.
Meantime, our recent trip to the the far north in Canada educated us that there are no deniers up there. They are living with the changes that have
happened in the last few decades and sincerely concerned about the future as climate change is being accelerated by human activity. And that is not a
political opinion, it is based upon the many studies down by the scientists that you don't trust.
Ni modo --- I can't wait to hear from some about the fact that Obama is in Alaska right now to personally witness many of the changes.
Oh, the question that is never answered is the conspiracy theory that somehow all of this is to gain money and control --- that has never been
explained. :-)
Besides, if we made the changes to start taking better care of our earth and we later find out that it really is not a crisis, all we end up with is a
better world to leave to our grandchildren.
As a side note, before anyone buys the outrage of some of the right wing about Obama "renaming" Mt. McKinley to Denali, please know that in Alaska it
is known as Denali and do watch this video by the Conservative Senator from Alaska. Of course, some of the biggest noise is from Ohio politicians,
McKinley's home state. :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAn3aT8yfHc
On edit, I tried to embed it and still don't know how to do that.
[Edited on 9-1-2015 by DianaT] |
Thank you so much, you make my point exactly. No matter how much information we receive, if it gets filtered through our belief system, not much
changes. What you call scientists, I call the perpetrators of Climategate, where it was proven beyond a shadow of doubt that they had fudged on the
numbers and predictions. And each side will gather any little bit of information to justify further belief in what they perceive as the "right" way
of viewing the world. |
