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Cuba...i know it's not a Baja thing

measomsan - 3-2-2017 at 04:37 PM

I think somewhere on here someone talked about traveling to Cuba, if so was it worth the trip? Been here 8 years and think Cuba might be worth a trip. Anyway any info would help

Mula - 3-2-2017 at 05:57 PM

I'm hoping to go in May this year with friends from Mazatlan . . .

Paco Facullo - 3-2-2017 at 07:43 PM

TextHello all ya Baja people,
Went to Cuba about a year ago, spent two months there. I loved it but I dig things really different than the norm. Also been to Myanmar. ( Burma )
Tell me the kinds of things you like and I will expand on that.
Short synopsis is, good food hard to find, really great people , history and weather.

kevin_in_idaho - 3-2-2017 at 07:56 PM

We've been there twice. In a word, YES. I've been to probably 40 countries and Cuba is in the top few, maybe the top. I'd go sooner rather than later. I saw a picture last year of a cruise ship going into Havana. Of course, the rest of the world could go, just not us. If they every really say it's ok, it'll be a zoo down there. Go now. West Cuba is already getting a lot of US tourist but East is still somewhat untouched.

Paco Facullo - 3-2-2017 at 08:05 PM

Also of interest is that Cuba is one of the safest Countries on earth.

I walked down what looked like a dark run down neighborhood drunk at 2 in la mañana many many times and not one problem.

MulegeAL - 3-2-2017 at 08:22 PM

I confirm what Paco said.

We wandered/got lost New Year's Eve in Trinidad. Took forever to get back to hotel because almost every house we walked by invited insisted we stop and dance, have a drink. Dark back alleys, spoked wheel town layout. Never worried, great people. A cab took us home, wouldn't take payment even though we insisted.

Depends what you want. Reminds me of Mexico when I was a kid.

Figure out how to get out of Havana and into the other parts, we had a great time there. Airport sucks, expect significant delays both ends.


chuckie - 3-3-2017 at 09:14 AM

Go now...I loved it...

BigOly - 3-3-2017 at 11:06 AM

Went birding in Cuba 3 years ago, fantastic!! The people are great. Stayed with a family and the food was terrific. There were tears when we left.

Howard - 3-3-2017 at 05:01 PM

I found the food incredibly fresh but very, very boring. I like seasoned and spicy and it was nowhere near what I would of thought. Almost all the veggies were very, very good and fresh but the main dishes bland.

I highly recommend going especially before it gets opened up to the American masses.

Go to Ambos Mundo hotel and have libations on their roof top restaurant/bar and sit where Hemmingway smoked his stogie and drank.

Cuba or bust!!

EnsenadaDr - 3-3-2017 at 05:52 PM

I went for research/educational purposes. I just got back this past week. It has to be the worst place I have ever been to in my life. I flew through Cancun and stayed at Playa del Carmen, which was beautiful. Warm water, crystal turquoise blue, and cool breezes at night in the 80's.

Took a ferry to Cozumel this past Saturday where they were celebrating Carnival. Another beautiful place, $8 round-trip. My dad used to talk about Cuba when he lived in Miami in the 50's and 60's, and took the ferry from Key West in the late 50's before the Cuban Revolution. He told me how beautiful it was, and his father's friend had a gorgeous mansion and a tobacco plantation. I landed at the airport in Havana, which was a total dump.

About an hour flight from Cancun. I waited 2 hours for a tiny suitcase. I took the bus to my hotel which was beautiful, Hotel Plaza. However the ride from the airport was totally shocking. I was completely overwhelmed by sadness at the neglect of the parks, and the buildings. They were all falling apart. It looked like a war zone. Posters of Fidel were occasionally posted along the route, in Spanish, saying Fidel is with us still. There was garbage strewn along the entire route.

The main city of Havana had some beautiful old Spanish type architecture buildings, but were in need of paint and repair. They all looked closed. My room was $150 for the night, and it had mold in the ceiling and the toilet was leaking around the base. I sat down in the Hotel Lobby, and asked for a menu. Everyone around me seemed to be talking Russian. There was of course the Cuban sandwich, which was lousy. The cheese was stinky and old, and there was a slice of tasteless pork and ham. This was a heart attack sandwich. However, their brand of Diet Coke was actually quite good!! I could not eat the sandwich.

I went to my room took a nap, and about 10 pm wandered across the street to another hotel, which was $700 dollars a night. I sat in the lobby and had to buy a card for $5 (each Cuban dollar is approximately .85 American) to use the Wifi for an hour. Wifi is not widely available in Cuba. The hotel lobby was beautiful, and there was a very handsome Cuban security guard in a nice suit in the lobby. A man walked in with a very pretty woman, and the security guard told him the woman was not allowed in the hotel. I couldn't believe it, at $700 a night and he couldn't even bring a woman to his room!! I then left the lobby and went to a restaurant. I asked what they had for dinner. $25 Cuban dollars for pork chops. They were huge and grilled nicely, but had no flavor. The rice and beans were extra, about $5 an order each. I ordered my Cuban diet coke which I really liked. There was a movie on the screen projector black and white which had a movie about 50 years old about an old man being beat up. I couldn't believe a nice restaurant would be showing such a movie. I went back to my room and turned on the TV which was showing Robert De Niro in a new movie which was the only redeeming event of the evening.

The next morning I went to the rooftop breakfast buffet, which was very nice, but the view was depressing. The buildings were all horrible as far as you could see. I wondered how the government of this country could let things get so bad. Didn't they have any pride? I met a very nice couple from Prince Edward Island Canada while eating breakfast. They told me they went to Varadero Beach, I had also heard was beautiful. They said the service at that resort was horrible, and the beach in Cancun was nicer. The town they said was crumbling just like Havana. They were happy I was leaving that day as they had to stay two more days. I opted to take the bus back to the airport, which was packed like sardines. However, I must say the Cuban people are very clean which helped in a situation so close!!!

I have never been so happy to say Adios in my life. As I looked out the window, I saw the fleet of Aeroflot jets. I joked with a man behind me going through customs before I left, and said now we are friends, Trump and Putin. He laughed!!

[Edited on 3-4-2017 by EnsenadaDr]

mtgoat666 - 3-3-2017 at 06:26 PM

Is it worse than Rosarito?

Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr  
I went for research/educational purposes. I just got back this past week. It has to be the worst place I have ever been to in my life. I flew through Cancun and stayed at Playa del Carmen, which was beautiful. Warm water, crystal turquoise blue, and cool breezes at night in the 80's. Took a ferry to Cozumel this past Saturday where they were celebrating Carnival. Another beautiful place, $8 round-trip. My dad used to talk about Cuba when he lived in Miami in the 50's and 60's, and took the ferry from Key West in the late 50's before the Cuban Revolution. He told me how beautiful it was, and his father's friend had a gorgeous mansion and a tobacco plantation. I landed at the airport in Havana, which was a total dump. About an hour flight from Cancun. I waited 2 hours for a tiny suitcase. I took the bus to my hotel which was beautiful, Hotel Plaza. However the ride from the airport was totally shocking. I was completely overwhelmed by sadness at the neglect of the parks, and the buildings. They were all falling apart. It looked like a war zone. Posters of Fidel were occasionally posted along the route, in Spanish, saying Fidel is with us still. There was garbage strewn along the entire route. The main city of Havana had some beautiful old Spanish type architecture buildings, but were in need of paint and repair. They all looked closed. My room was $150 for the night, and it had mold in the ceiling and the toilet was leaking around the base. I sat down in the Hotel Lobby, and asked for a menu. Everyone around me seemed to be talking Russian. There was of course the Cuban sandwich, which was lousy. The cheese was stinky and old, and there was a slice of tasteless pork and ham. This was a heart attack sandwich. However, their brand of Diet Coke was actually quite good!! I could not eat the sandwich. I went to my room took a nap, and about 10 pm wandered across the street to another hotel, which was $700 dollars a night. I sat in the lobby and had to buy a card for $5 (each Cuban dollar is approximately .85 American) to use the Wifi for an hour. Wifi is not widely available in Cuba. The hotel lobby was beautiful, and there was a very handsome Cuban security guard in a nice suit in the lobby. A man walked in with a very pretty woman, and the security guard told him the woman was not allowed in the hotel. I couldn't believe it, at $700 a night and he couldn't even bring a woman to his room!! I then left the lobby and went to a restaurant. I asked what they had for dinner. $25 Cuban dollars for pork chops. They were huge and grilled nicely, but had no flavor. The rice and beans were extra, about $5 an order each. I ordered my Cuban diet coke which I really liked. There was a movie on the screen projector black and white which had a movie about 50 years old about an old man being beat up. I couldn't believe a nice restaurant would be showing such a movie. I went back to my room and turned on the TV which was showing Robert De Niro in a new movie which was the only redeeming event of the evening. The next morning I went to the rooftop breakfast buffet, which was very nice, but the view was depressing. The buildings were all horrible as far as you could see. I wondered how the government of this country could let things get so bad. Didn't they have any pride? I met a very nice couple from Prince Edward Island Canada while eating breakfast. They told me they went to Varadero Beach, I had also heard was beautiful. They said the service at that resort was horrible, and the beach in Cancun was nicer. The town they said was crumbling just like Havana. They were happy I was leaving that day as they had to stay two more days. I opted to take the bus back to the airport, which was packed like sardines. However, I must say the Cuban people are very clean which helped in a situation so close!!! I have never been so happy to say Adios in my life. As I looked out the window, I saw the fleet of Aeroflot jets. I joked with a man behind me going through customs before I left, and said now we are friends, Trump and Putin. He laughed!!

EnsenadaDr - 3-3-2017 at 07:29 PM

Honestly I believe Tijuana is paradise compared to this place. Rosarito of course is better than TJ in my opinion. Tijuana airport and the buildings have had a significant improvement in the past 10 years. I have been living in Mexico for 15 years so I have no problem with a third world country. on a scale of Rosarito being a 10 havana is a 5 from worst to best.

Paco Facullo - 3-3-2017 at 08:09 PM

I have to agree with DrEnsenada.
Although I stayed at casa paticulars ( rooms in a Cuban's house )
Cuba is NOT for the faint of heart.
It is by far NOT your typical vacation. And if you go anywhere but Havana you better speek some Spanish. Even in Havana if only English it would be difficult.

measomsan - 3-4-2017 at 08:54 AM

Wow, really good input and all over the place. We like nice stuff, so would want higher end places to stay. Been doing Baja East cape for nearly 8 years but still i speak very , very little. Maybe back to Costa Rica, almost bought there before Baja. But Baja is Baja. Love everything about it. From Coco's to Buzzard's , Zack's Bar and on and on...Thanks of the input. If we decide to head that way will ask a few more ?

Udo - 3-4-2017 at 10:30 AM

I had visited Cuba about 30 years ago as a writer, and I see things have not changed any since EnsenadaDr. went there recently.

My wife and sister had not been, so we were making plans to a visit and had asked friends who visited recently.
All three said the same thing...wasted money. There is no ..."old romantic" Cuba any more.
One or two days there is plenty...nothing to see but the old cars, buildings that are crumbling, lack of meaningful service, bad plumbing everywhere, and depressing at times.

I think our tourist dollars could be better spent in New Orleans.

rzitren - 3-4-2017 at 10:48 AM

Was there in November 2016. Wonderful people, Very safe. Outside of Havana reminded me of Mexico in the 60's. Food is fair to tasteless as almost all agriculture is dedicated to tobacco for cigars. The two or three main blocks of Havana look wonderful but get even one block off and there is trash and rubble everywhere.

JoeJustJoe - 3-4-2017 at 12:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr  
I went for research/educational purposes. I just got back this past week. It has to be the worst place I have ever been to in my life. I flew through Cancun and stayed at Playa del Carmen, which was beautiful. Warm water, crystal turquoise blue, and cool breezes at night in the 80's.

Took a ferry to Cozumel this past Saturday where they were celebrating Carnival. Another beautiful place, $8 round-trip. My dad used to talk about Cuba when he lived in Miami in the 50's and 60's, and took the ferry from Key West in the late 50's before the Cuban Revolution. He told me how beautiful it was, and his father's friend had a gorgeous mansion and a tobacco plantation. I landed at the airport in Havana, which was a total dump.

About an hour flight from Cancun. I waited 2 hours for a tiny suitcase. I took the bus to my hotel which was beautiful, Hotel Plaza. However the ride from the airport was totally shocking. I was completely overwhelmed by sadness at the neglect of the parks, and the buildings. They were all falling apart. It looked like a war zone. Posters of Fidel were occasionally posted along the route, in Spanish, saying Fidel is with us still. There was garbage strewn along the entire route.

The main city of Havana had some beautiful old Spanish type architecture buildings, but were in need of paint and repair. They all looked closed. My room was $150 for the night, and it had mold in the ceiling and the toilet was leaking around the base. I sat down in the Hotel Lobby, and asked for a menu. Everyone around me seemed to be talking Russian. There was of course the Cuban sandwich, which was lousy. The cheese was stinky and old, and there was a slice of tasteless pork and ham. This was a heart attack sandwich. However, their brand of Diet Coke was actually quite good!! I could not eat the sandwich.

I went to my room took a nap, and about 10 pm wandered across the street to another hotel, which was $700 dollars a night. I sat in the lobby and had to buy a card for $5 (each Cuban dollar is approximately .85 American) to use the Wifi for an hour. Wifi is not widely available in Cuba. The hotel lobby was beautiful, and there was a very handsome Cuban security guard in a nice suit in the lobby. A man walked in with a very pretty woman, and the security guard told him the woman was not allowed in the hotel. I couldn't believe it, at $700 a night and he couldn't even bring a woman to his room!!


Nice report Janene, although sounds a little depressing, and seeing mass poverty can ruin a vacation.

You also didn't report on the medical care in Cuba, seeing that's your field, but maybe you're just vacationing.

It's no surprise to me that a man walked in with a very beautiful woman, but she was asked to leave. She was probably a Cuban "sex worker" because for years now Cuba, has been on the map as a sex tourist destination for foreigners, especially Canadians, and even Americans, when they still had that travel ban. There is no laws against prostitution in Cuba, although pimping is illegal, I understand foreigners still often use the services of a pimp, because in part of the hotels bans of sex workers, at the nice tourist hotels.

When the average monthly wage is about $20 dollars in Cuba, you could understand why prostitution, and moonlighting as an escort, could be popular past time for both Cuban women, and the foreign tourists who have deep pockets.

elgatoloco - 3-4-2017 at 12:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rzitren  
The two or three main blocks look wonderful but get even one block off and there is trash and rubble everywhere.


Hey! Sounds just like the Vegas Strip! Sorry for the hijack. :saint:

Hopefully the Cuban people can slowly build up the infrastructure for tourism and raise their level of income. As mentioned, after 50 years of neglect.......................:(

EnsenadaDr - 3-4-2017 at 01:09 PM

I had heard from my experience in the Mexican Healthcare system, that Cuba had an excellent system. This was the basis of my interest on going there and seeing for myself. I have to admit my ignorance. I did not realize that Michael Moore's movie Sicko was based on Cuban Health Care. However, he reported on the private sector supposedly that were private pay clinics and hospitals from what I understood.

To be honest, when I saw the government buildings in such disrepair, I decided that I would not even step foot into a Cuban hospital or clinic. In addition, the Cubans are not a very talkative group. I broached the subject of Fidel and Bautista and most did not want to talk about anything to do with politics. In fact they did not like making small talk at all. When I asked about healthcare, they just rolled their eyes. I realized then and there that Mexican healthcare was a choice I would go with and would recommend to Americans that could not afford Obamacare with it's rising costs.

I worked a year as an intern in a Military Hospital in Mexico. Though poor, the surgical suite was immaculate and sterile technique was followed to the T. True, Mexican hospitals don't have the pain relievers as they do in the U.S., and overall for critical care I recommend the U.S. for a serious illness because they can get their medication covered and equipment needed generally cheaper than in Mexico.

I researched Michael Moore's book online, and found many articles about the real state of affairs in the Cuban healthcare system. The pictures of the equipment and facilities were horrific and enough for me. I couldn't wait to leave there. Also Medicare is a viable option for good senior healthcare in the U.S. My experience with insurance in the U.S. has taught me that Medicare is now the #1 accepted government insurance of hospitals and doctors over Medi Cal and its respective HMO's Molina and California Health and Wellness. That is Medicare pays better reimbursement than Medical or nationally known as Medicaid.

[Edited on 3-4-2017 by EnsenadaDr]

chuckie - 3-4-2017 at 02:45 PM

Why are you hijacking this into a discussion of Medical systems?

Paco Facullo - 3-5-2017 at 09:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
I have to agree with DrEnsenada.
Although I stayed at casa paticulars ( rooms in a Cuban's house )

As I understand things, she hated it and you stayed two months and enjoyed it. What's the difference?


The difference is two different people.
I admit That I am an odd one and really like it off the beaten path.

I actually feell more comfortable while being in the company of of locals than when in a luxury situation. And believe me I have bone both to the extreme.

Paco Facullo - 3-5-2017 at 09:22 AM

For instance while in Cuba I went from Havana to Santiago de Cuba by train.
The owners of the Casa said I was crazy to take the train .
It is notorious for break downs and it did. It took me 21 hours .
I was the only Gringo I saw. It was a great experience.

EnsenadaDr - 3-5-2017 at 11:27 AM

I was asked, Chuckie to expand on my experience as to the medical research I was doing. And no, after seeing the filth and trash and crumbling infrastructure and the unwillingness of the Cuban people to discuss anything let alone the government officials I decided against going to the hospitals. Maybe it had to do with wanting to get out of the country safely. When I first asked about the flight, every place was booked. I was told I could go over there and a taxi driver could find me a place, a "casa particular". I was not comfortable with doing that. I wanted to make sure I had a place to stay that was guaranteed. I did end up talking to many locals there. I did not feel comfortable in the political environment there and find Mexico to be much more open and approachable when it comes to medical care. I invite anyone who wants to explore the healthcare field and the possibilities to go ahead and do that. I am done.

gsbotanico - 3-5-2017 at 02:54 PM

I went to Cuba in 2000 at the height of the economic "problems." It was illegal for Americans to travel there at the time. I saw almost no US tourists. I wanted to see Cuba before the onslaught of tourists. I never imagined it would take so long.

Yes, there was a decaying infrastructure, food shortages, and many people on the street asking for shampoo, toothpaste, my tennis shoes, and ballpoint pens. Anything that would help with a monthly income of $30 US. Three university graduates gave my small group a tour of old Havana that couldn't have been better. We tipped each one $5. It made their day, their week, and maybe their month.

The three were being very critical of the government, so much so that a passing older woman called them "traidores de la revolución." I remember telling the most outspoken that he needed to be more patient because Castro was an old man and wouldn't live much longer. He replied: "el P-nche cabrón va a vivir quince años mas." He turned out to be right almost to the year.

I found the Cubans unfailingly friendly. My Spanish is fluent, which helped enormously. There was no animosity to Americans who traveled there against the ban. I loved the music, the culture, the history, and the natural environment, which has been remarkably preserved. One needs to travel there with these interests. I noticed that the roadways and countryside were very clean, not like Mexico with trash strewn everywhere.

We had one wonderful meal in a paladar (privately-run restaurant) and another one in the countryside near Viñales. The rest were mediocre and overpriced, mostly promising more than they delivered. Surely it's better now.

I still have fond memories of my visit and am thankful I went when I did. Travel to Cuba has become very trendy. Don't travel there only because others are doing it.

Paco Facullo - 3-5-2017 at 05:56 PM

In regards to the medical field in Cuba. I went with a good buddy that is an acupuncturist and he had brought a lot of needles and pain patches to give away.
He went to a collage medical facility and could not see anyone without an appointment.
Also he was questioned considerably.
I was there doing plumbing research as I'm a retired plumbing contractor .
I really had to explain myself many times while taking pictures and need to ask beforehand. Even then the people were quite skeptical and seemed nervous.
I believe it is due to being under a Dictatorship and Communism for so long.

Cancamo - 4-6-2017 at 05:17 PM

Just got back from three weeks in "El Oriente", the eastern part of the island, Holguin, Camaguey, Bayamo, etc...
Very little changes if you are Cuban. Cuban Peso Cubano, not to be confused with Peso Convertible, is limited on what it will buy. Anything of quality is priced in Peso Convertible which is pegged to the US dollar, and of which no local person earns in their pitiful salaries. Some changes are noticeable in the tourist centers of Havana, Veradero, Vinales and Trinidad. Mainly more eating options, and tons more casa particulares. The majority of tourist end up on this well traveled gringo trail, (try to avoid these places if you want to see Cuba).
Have been traveling all corners of the island since the late 90's, the best part of the country is the people. The government is oppressive and controlling. Hunger is a very powerful tool used by the government.
Staying with friends is a grounding experience where my engineer friend makes $18 a month and every day is a process of finding something to eat. El libreta, the monthly ration book is down to a couple pounds of rice a couple pounds of beans, some sugar, cooking oil and little else, not enough to survive for more than a few days. Everyone on the island with the exception of government officials, military and police, (they eat better, have their own stores, rations, etc.), do something illegal on the side in order to survive. Everything produced or imported is the government's property, therefore if you are a cattle rancher and you butcher a cow, you go to jail. Even with the risk, everybody skims and re-sales from cigars and soda pop, to gasoline and chicken. Then there is the jinateras, both male and female, doing whatever they can for something to eat and the chance of being taken off the island by an amorous tourist. Cuban friends tell me in embarrassment it is the largest prison in the world, not just because they can't leave freely, but everyone brakes the law just to survive.
The CDR, (Comite De Defensa Del Revolucion), the government's local watchdog, has someone on each block keeping an eye out for those not supporting the "Revolucion". People definitely speak more open than in the past, but unfortunately 50 years of Big Brother watching has everyone so paranoid and uncertain that I believe the collective psyche is permanently damaged.
The other trauma to Cuban culture is that since the wet/foot, dry/foot policy was eliminated by the Obama agreement with Raoul, there has been a mass exodus of younger people with the anticipated changes in immigration policy. Many families are broken with family members abroad, not knowing if or when they will ever see each other again.

Now if you want to be a tourist there is world class music, performing arts, sports, and beaches and diving. The history is fascinating, the architecture some of the best in the western hemisphere. Although unless you know your way around, and speak Spanish, (and understand the Cuban accent), things are expensive and the food and service is pitiful, (what do you expect for $18/month).
The Communist/Socialist experiment began failing the minute the Soviet Union collapsed and removed the oil tankers from Havana bay. With Venezuela on the ropes now, things look real bleak for Cuba's future.
The folks that can count on money sent from family members overseas live way better than those that don't, so the exodus will continue. So sad.

I feel for the people's suffering, but their spirit is inspiring. They are truly the best thing about Cuba, the people.
Como dicen la jente, "No Es Facil"




Marc - 4-18-2017 at 05:27 AM

Was there in 2001. Had to sneak in through Nassau. As was the custom back then my passport was not stamped on arrival. My buddies and I had a great time and the girls just loved me!