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Yellowtail Slaughter

thebajarunner - 3-12-2017 at 04:11 PM

Last week in LABay I noticed a young local guide cleaning a table full of fish.
Wandered over and was appalled to note that he had more than 40 yellowtail, all in the 18" -22" range getting carved into filets.
He had just returned from a trip out with three gringos.
I asked him directly "why"???
Does he not recognize that his future is in guiding and with this kind a assault on undersize fish that his future is bleak.
He simply shrugged and said, "My clients had a fun day."
Sad!!

Curious,
what is the limit on yellowtail?
both in size and in number per day??

Paco Facullo - 3-12-2017 at 04:41 PM

Truly sad .
And shame on the three Gringos.

As for the guide ( as with most poorer cultures ) they live in the moment.

Little story, a couple of years ago I went fishing on a ponga type boat on a remote island ( Koh Koot ) in So. Eastern Thialand. The fishing was really poor.
I caught the biggest fish , a six inche spotted grouper, the guide wanted to keep it.
I tried to explain that THAT is exactly why fishing isn't any good . It fell on deaf ears. I let it go anyway as I just couldn't see a beautiful baby fish die .
I will never go fishing in Asia again.

Paco Facullo - 3-12-2017 at 04:48 PM

Another little fishing story if I may ?

While in Veitnam on the Mekong river I saw guys " fishing" with two long polls.
except there was no line or reels. They were wearing a backpack with a 12v battery inside and the rods were electrified with the push of a button. They would walk along the river bank while shocking . The stunned fish would float to the surface. Most about 3 to 4"

Sorry I don't want to highjack the thread but at least I am talking fishing :cool:

[Edited on 3-12-2017 by Paco Facullo]

mtgoat666 - 3-12-2017 at 04:49 PM

Generally, per person limits are 10 total fish per day, total of 5 for any one species. No size limits on yellowtail. 18-22 inch yellow tails is pretty common catch, so size not unreasonable, but perhaps the party exceeded their 5 per person per day limit for single species.

The world is reverting to a selfish, me-first, damn the environment mentality,... Same people that think fish supply is limitless also think Greenhouse gasses are good for the climate, or have given up caring. Things will only improve after an asteroid wipes most of us off the earth and we get back to a sustainable number of people.

woody with a view - 3-12-2017 at 05:06 PM

Word is that there will be a permanent guvmint guy at the ramp this summer checking for licenses and quotas, etc.... ....

Hook - 3-12-2017 at 06:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Generally, per person limits are 10 total fish per day, total of 5 for any one species. No size limits on yellowtail. 18-22 inch yellow tails is pretty common catch, so size not unreasonable, but perhaps the party exceeded their 5 per person per day limit for single species.

The world is reverting to a selfish, me-first, damn the environment mentality,... Same people that think fish supply is limitless also think Greenhouse gasses are good for the climate, or have given up caring. Things will only improve after an asteroid wipes most of us off the earth and we get back to a sustainable number of people.





Based on available science, all those fish were not old/big enough to reproduce.

Of course, none of them are likely to observe that size limit, because it isnt the law. But it is something to think about when you are taking YT. You can make a PERSONAL choice to keep the fishery healthy.

[Edited on 3-13-2017 by Hook]

bajabuddha - 3-12-2017 at 10:23 PM

It's called 'testicular enlargement'. Some things never change. :(

Pescador - 3-13-2017 at 02:03 PM

It is too bad that you did not take pictures. The limit is 5 yellowtail or 5 fish of one species. They could actually have 5 apiece and 5 more of something else like cabrilla or Triggerfish.

Bubba - 3-13-2017 at 02:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Generally, per person limits are 10 total fish per day, total of 5 for any one species. No size limits on yellowtail. 18-22 inch yellow tails is pretty common catch, so size not unreasonable, but perhaps the party exceeded their 5 per person per day limit for single species.

The world is reverting to a selfish, me-first, damn the environment mentality,... Same people that think fish supply is limitless also think Greenhouse gasses are good for the climate, or have given up caring. Things will only improve after an asteroid wipes most of us off the earth and we get back to a sustainable number of people.

Yes, you are wrong again. Killing a 18"-22" YT is very unreasonable. I would be embarrassed.

Bubba - 3-13-2017 at 02:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Word is that there will be a permanent guvmint guy at the ramp this summer checking for licenses and quotas, etc.... ....


Good, I like that.

charliemanson - 3-13-2017 at 03:47 PM

does the same rule apply to spear people? Here they do even more of a slaughter and don't feel the fishing rules as posted on their "License" apply, if they even purchase one.
Last year 12 wahoo for 2 guys...just seems excessive to us.
And is it true that the "pigs" they kill don't even taste good and are the fish that reproduce?...just what I have heard but no actual knowledge.

chuckie - 3-13-2017 at 04:06 PM

Where is "here"? Did you see this or is it hearsay? Spearing 12 Wahoo seems like BS to me...

Bubba - 3-13-2017 at 04:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson  
does the same rule apply to spear people? Here they do even more of a slaughter and don't feel the fishing rules as posted on their "License" apply, if they even purchase one.
Last year 12 wahoo for 2 guys...just seems excessive to us.
And is it true that the "pigs" they kill don't even taste good and are the fish that reproduce?...just what I have heard but no actual knowledge.


12 Wahoo speared??? Um yeah.. Care to elaborate?

freediverbrian - 3-13-2017 at 04:28 PM



[Edited on 3-13-2017 by freediverbrian]

freediverbrian - 3-13-2017 at 04:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by freediverbrian  
Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson  
does the same rule apply to spear people? Here they do even more of a slaughter and don't feel the fishing rules as posted on their "License" apply, if they even purchase one.
Last year 12 wahoo for 2 guys...just seems excessive to us.
And is it true that the "pigs" they kill don't even taste good and are the fish that reproduce?...just what I have heard but no actual knowledge.



I'm a a responsible spearfisher ,have a license and follow all regulations. I am offended​ being compared to the few spearos you "heard about" Before pointing a finger at others look in the mirror and ask what can I do to make a difference.

chuckie - 3-13-2017 at 04:54 PM

Fishing is taking a beating in SOC. Look at the size of the Yellows winning the Mulege tournament a few weeks ago ..22 LBS? Wasnt that long ago a 30+ fish would barely make the list...AND in the best other fish category a 5 LB snapper won? Scary...

bajabuddha - 3-13-2017 at 04:55 PM

The issue of taking an 'under-sized' yeller is moot point to me. I'm not gonna feed the world. With camping alone or with a friend, a smaller yeller was sufficient for sashimi/sushi or full-on dinner for the night... I didn't need a Beeg Juan to give me bragging rights. I look at it like deer hunting; antlers taste terrible. Look at your needs, not at your wants. Respect the fishery and damnit, CATCH AND RELEASE what you aren't going to keep or use.

charliemanson - 3-14-2017 at 05:56 AM

The 12 Wahoos were all speared off Cerallvo Island, south end, and were all being cleaned at the landing by 2 guys and their guide. Wasn't hear say. That day we caught two which was plenty for our needs for quite a while. Catch and release is the way to go if you can (a little hard to do with a wahoo however) and don't think that can exist while spearing.

I was not meaning to offend anybody, but if the shoe fits??? I was not saying that all spear folks don't buy licenses only questioning if they need one or need to follow the same limit guidelines as pescadors. Hell most fisherman I know are too cheap to even buy a license ( all of about $40).

On a good note I know local guides that will cut off the catch after each diver gets 2 fish and they are very aware of the depletion of their "product" and are truly trying to preserve their resources. These happen to be the younger generation which is nice to see.

mtgoat666 - 3-14-2017 at 06:04 AM

I figure that fisheries will be decimated in 20 o30 years (if not sooner), and conservation is pointless, and I might as well get in on the senseless killing as it will be someone else if not me.
Enjoy the slaughter and eating today, or someone else will, and it's bound to all end in a wasteland anyhow :light:

LancairDriver - 3-14-2017 at 10:45 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I figure that fisheries will be decimated in 20 o30 years (if not sooner), and conservation is pointless, and I might as well get in on the senseless killing as it will be someone else if not me.
Enjoy the slaughter and eating today, or someone else will, and it's bound to all end in a wasteland anyhow :light:


A recent court case involving a poacher illegally killing an Elk in Oregon used that exact defense (if I hadn't killed it someone else would have). Didn't work out to well for him.
On a more positive conservation note, Oregon has made it a law this year that all boats bottom fishing must have a depth release device on board to lower the fish intended for release back down that have been brought up quickly from depth with over inflated bladders and allow them to deflate to normal. The old method some used in deflating the bladder with a needle was resulting in to many not surviving. As always enforcement is the key to making the laws work. I don't imagine this would have any interest in other than a few gringo fishermen in Baja however.

Bubba - 3-14-2017 at 10:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I figure that fisheries will be decimated in 20 o30 years (if not sooner), and conservation is pointless, and I might as well get in on the senseless killing as it will be someone else if not me.
Enjoy the slaughter and eating today, or someone else will, and it's bound to all end in a wasteland anyhow :light:


What an ignorant statement...

charliemanson - 3-14-2017 at 02:25 PM

Goat, go watch some more movies and get of the net. Your attitude is exactly what we as humans do not need.

Abortion should have been much easier when your mother was pregnant as you are exactly what the world does not need per you statements.

If we all do a little bit to help it most certainly can't hurt. Good god...

Lobsterman - 3-16-2017 at 06:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I figure that fisheries will be decimated in 20 o30 years (if not sooner), and conservation is pointless, and I might as well get in on the senseless killing as it will be someone else if not me.
Enjoy the slaughter and eating today, or someone else will, and it's bound to all end in a wasteland anyhow :light:


What an ignorant statement...



How would you like to live in goat's world?

Now we get the pleasure of listening to his words evil like his poor students at the UA must suffer through to get a passing grade. This thread is his typical MO, i.e., throw out hateful statements with no facts to back them up then run. He'll reappear soon on another thread to do the same thing. Best to just ignore him like "white-noise" on an old tv. The UA must be proud of their resident ..... evil.



[Edited on 3-16-2017 by Lobsterman]

JakeinVegas - 3-16-2017 at 09:56 AM

Here is a link for bag limits for hook and line fishing as well as for spearfishing.

http://www.sportfishinginmexico.com/?page_id=4181

Spearfishing can only be done while freediving (no tanks) and you are limited to five fish per day. Per regulations certain species count as five of your total when you harvest one fish. They are as follows: billfish, sharks, giant seabass, dorado, roosterfish, tarpon, gulf grouper and blue fin tuna.

Wahoo were not mentioned on this page so I would operate on the premise that the maximum would be five per diver. I have never shot a wahoo but from what I hear they are not an easy fish to harvest while freediving.

Until the commercial seiners, shrimp boats and longliners are banned from the Sea of Cortez this fishery is doomed. It breaks my heart to see it happen in my lifetime. I am confident that there is more money to be made by local fisherman guiding gringos than working for the large corporations.

Hook - 3-16-2017 at 12:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I figure that fisheries will be decimated in 20 o30 years (if not sooner), and conservation is pointless, and I might as well get in on the senseless killing as it will be someone else if not me.
Enjoy the slaughter and eating today, or someone else will, and it's bound to all end in a wasteland anyhow :light:


What an ignorant statement...


It's a selfish statement............but it's not that ignorant. Most locals I see down here, operate on this principle, in most aspects of their lives. Resources are becoming less and less, and it's not like Mexico has viable programs to re-train fishermen into other fields. Desperation is a strong motivation.

This mentality has started to invade the gringo fisherman's psyche, too. Something like "why should I respect the fishing regs if the locals don't?" Of course, the desperation isn't part of it.

I'd say 20-30 years might be a bit of an overestimate, at least for the SOC. Oh sure, we will continue to read about the occasional "great day of fishing", that people will point to as an indication that everything is fine and dandy. But they are becoming fewer and fewer, even for the really good fishermen, not just the tourist.

LancairDriver - 3-16-2017 at 02:09 PM

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I'd say 20-30 years might be a bit of an overestimate, at least for the SOC. Oh sure, we will continue to read about the occasional "great day of fishing", that people will point to as an indication that everything is fine and dandy. But they are becoming fewer and fewer, even for the really good fishermen, not just the tourist.[/rquote]

I believe 20-30 years is an overly generous estimate. Also a lot of places in the world are a lot worse in conserving their resources than Mexico. things are collapsing at an alarming rate and it is exponential. The undeveloped countries populations are exploding and they have no way of feeding all of them.

woody with a view - 3-16-2017 at 06:03 PM

We need an asteroid!

freediverbrian - 3-16-2017 at 08:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson  
The 12 Wahoos were all speared off Cerallvo Island, south end, and were all being cleaned at the landing by 2 guys and their guide. Wasn't hear say. That day we caught two which was plenty for our needs for quite a while. Catch and release is the way to go if you can (a little hard to do with a wahoo however) and don't think that can exist while spearing.

I was not meaning to offend anybody, but if the shoe fits??? I was not saying that all spear folks don't buy licenses only questioning if they need one or need to follow the same limit guidelines as pescadors. Hell most fisherman I know are too cheap to even buy a license ( all of about $40).

On a good note I know local guides that will cut off the catch after each diver gets 2 fish and they are very aware of the depletion of their "product" and are truly trying to



preserve their resources. These happen to be the younger generation which is nice to see.




"IF THE SHOE FITS " ???? Don't give a back hand apology and then throw me under the bus . This shoe fits up your A**

[Edited on 3-17-2017 by freediverbrian]

freediverbrian - 3-16-2017 at 08:26 PM

Hey Charlie Manson go up date Helter skelter and stay off this board you troll

mtgoat666 - 3-16-2017 at 09:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I figure that fisheries will be decimated in 20 o30 years (if not sooner), and conservation is pointless, and I might as well get in on the senseless killing as it will be someone else if not me.
Enjoy the slaughter and eating today, or someone else will, and it's bound to all end in a wasteland anyhow :light:


What an ignorant statement...


You idiot. I was imitating your typical socal sport fisher.
Sarcasm.
Hyperbole.

FYI, I rarely fish, and then only for a few hours, once in a blue moon -- I never take more than I'll eat that night :light:

mtgoat666 - 3-16-2017 at 10:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
[rquote
FYI, I rarely fish, and then only for a few hours, once in a blue moon -- I never take more than I'll eat that night :light:
[/rquote]

so its safe to say all that expert advice you were spewing on the "one rod" thread was nothing more than "more mountanTOOL boolchit"?


I have been fishing for all my life, and when younger was a commercial fisherman. I got my fill of fish, fishing ain't my thing anymore.
But I got enough experience to authoritatively tell you blowhards you're full of it!

willardguy - 3-16-2017 at 10:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
[rquote
FYI, I rarely fish, and then only for a few hours, once in a blue moon -- I never take more than I'll eat that night :light:
[/rquote]

so its safe to say all that expert advice you were spewing on the "one rod" thread was nothing more than "more mountanTOOL boolchit"?


I have been fishing for all my life, and when younger was a commercial fisherman. I got my fill of fish, fishing ain't my thing anymore.
But I got enough experience to authoritatively tell you blowhards you're full of it!


im calling boolchit....provide some photos please...commercial fisherman my azz... poser:rolleyes:

mtgoat666 - 3-16-2017 at 10:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
[rquote
FYI, I rarely fish, and then only for a few hours, once in a blue moon -- I never take more than I'll eat that night :light:
[/rquote]

so its safe to say all that expert advice you were spewing on the "one rod" thread was nothing more than "more mountanTOOL boolchit"?


I have been fishing for all my life, and when younger was a commercial fisherman. I got my fill of fish, fishing ain't my thing anymore.
But I got enough experience to authoritatively tell you blowhards you're full of it!


im calling boolchit....provide some photos please...commercial fisherman my azz... poser:rolleyes:


Don't give a chit what you think, a$$wipe!

willardguy - 3-16-2017 at 10:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
[rquote
FYI, I rarely fish, and then only for a few hours, once in a blue moon -- I never take more than I'll eat that night :light:
[/rquote]

so its safe to say all that expert advice you were spewing on the "one rod" thread was nothing more than "more mountanTOOL boolchit"?


I have been fishing for all my life, and when younger was a commercial fisherman. I got my fill of fish, fishing ain't my thing anymore.
But I got enough experience to authoritatively tell you blowhards you're full of it!


im calling boolchit....provide some photos please...commercial fisherman my azz... poser:rolleyes:


Don't give a chit what you think, a$$wipe!


let me guess mtTOOL...this stint as a commercial fisherman was about the same time the "so-cal jerk off gringo's" ruined scorpian bay for you? yeah right..:lol:

BN's Resident Trolls

Lobsterman - 3-18-2017 at 07:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
[rquote
FYI, I rarely fish, and then only for a few hours, once in a blue moon -- I never take more than I'll eat that night :light:


so its safe to say all that expert advice you were spewing on the "one rod" thread was nothing more than "more mountanTOOL boolchit"?


I have been fishing for all my life, and when younger was a commercial fisherman. I got my fill of fish, fishing ain't my thing anymore.
But I got enough experience to authoritatively tell you blowhards you're full of it!


im calling boolchit....provide some photos please...commercial fisherman my azz... poser:rolleyes:


Don't give a chit what you think, a$$wipe!
.................................................................................................................................


Good luck getting the two resident BN trolls on this board (goat & joe) to expose who they really are. Most of you like me are not afraid to announce who we are and in fact are quite proud of our life's accomplishments and experiences. We are willing share who we are with facts and not hide behind a keyboard like these two shady characters and make outlandish claims about themselves, i.e. goat saying he was a commercial fisherman with no proof or Joe that he is of Mexican decent.

Why are they hiding behind a keyboard? What gremlins do they have in their closets? Why are they ashamed to come out in the open and let us see if they are truly who they say they are? I have my opinions on why they are trolls but that would take too much time writing now and I'm already late for an appointment.

Unfortunately, Sarg ran both of them off BN's OT, thus they came to this side of BN to pick a fight with anyone just for the pleasure of it. Both have even said so in the past on OT. They throw out lies and innuendo's, call people who disagree with their view of the world vile names (racists, N-zis), etc., just to cause trouble. Not to prove a point but just to cause dissention. That's just their MO. Just ignore them or they will poison this side of BN like they did to the dying OT side. Their evil fingerprints are all over many recent BN posts as their entrenchment into this side of BN grows.



................................................Goat and Joe at Their Best..........................



[Edited on 3-18-2017 by Lobsterman]

bajabuddha - 3-18-2017 at 09:33 AM

JJJ and goathead ruined OT ??? I haven't had that good of a chuckle in a long time. :lol:

chuckie - 3-18-2017 at 09:43 AM

A major contributor the declining fishery in the SOC, as has been discussed before, is the harvesting of massive tonnages of baitfish, sardines and mackerel for fertilizer, cat food and tuna pens. Overfishing, no baitfish for food=disaster....its not going to stop.

Bubba - 3-19-2017 at 10:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
[rquote
FYI, I rarely fish, and then only for a few hours, once in a blue moon -- I never take more than I'll eat that night :light:
[/rquote]

so its safe to say all that expert advice you were spewing on the "one rod" thread was nothing more than "more mountanTOOL boolchit"?


I have been fishing for all my life, and when younger was a commercial fisherman. I got my fill of fish, fishing ain't my thing anymore.
But I got enough experience to authoritatively tell you blowhards you're full of it!


im calling boolchit....provide some photos please...commercial fisherman my azz... poser:rolleyes:


He's idiot and I guarantee the goat will not post pics. The boy lives in la la land.

Bubba - 3-19-2017 at 10:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I figure that fisheries will be decimated in 20 o30 years (if not sooner), and conservation is pointless, and I might as well get in on the senseless killing as it will be someone else if not me.
Enjoy the slaughter and eating today, or someone else will, and it's bound to all end in a wasteland anyhow :light:


What an ignorant statement...


It's a selfish statement............but it's not that ignorant. Most locals I see down here, operate on this principle, in most aspects of their lives. Resources are becoming less and less, and it's not like Mexico has viable programs to re-train fishermen into other fields. Desperation is a strong motivation.

This mentality has started to invade the gringo fisherman's psyche, too. Something like "why should I respect the fishing regs if the locals don't?" Of course, the desperation isn't part of it.

I'd say 20-30 years might be a bit of an overestimate, at least for the SOC. Oh sure, we will continue to read about the occasional "great day of fishing", that people will point to as an indication that everything is fine and dandy. But they are becoming fewer and fewer, even for the really good fishermen, not just the tourist.


Understood and agree. I don't take the goat fr seriously.