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Vaquita and Fishermen

sancho - 3-14-2017 at 02:42 PM

Off a fb post,
I suppose this could have been expected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/1...

fishbuck - 3-14-2017 at 11:39 PM

Disappointing but it's part of their culture you know. So that makes it okay...

woody with a view - 3-15-2017 at 07:55 AM

Humans need a mass extinction event.

Bubba - 3-15-2017 at 08:49 AM

Sad.

gringorio - 3-15-2017 at 02:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
Disappointing but it's part of their culture you know. So that makes it okay...


I'm still on board the Farley Mowat and we're pulling illegal totoaba nets almost every day, sometimes several a day in the Vaquita Refuge north of San Felipe. Sad state of affairs...

[Edited on 3-15-2017 by gringorio]

Paco Facullo - 3-15-2017 at 04:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Humans need a mass extinction event.


Ain't dat da truth !!

Humans are akin to locusts ravaging the earths resources.

So dang glad I'm as old as I am.............

BigBearRider - 3-15-2017 at 04:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gringorio  
Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
Disappointing but it's part of their culture you know. So that makes it okay...


I'm still on board the Farley Mowat and we're pulling illegal totoaba nets almost every day, sometimes several a day in the Vaquita Refuge north of San Felipe. Sad state of affairs...

[Edited on 3-15-2017 by gringorio]


This is very sad. Thanks for posting.

fishbuck - 3-15-2017 at 05:19 PM

We saved the whales (still need more saving) But we can't save the cutest little porpose the ever existed. All because some chinese dude with stupid amounts of money thinks a totuaba bladder makes his d**k hard.
But it's part of their culture don't ya know...


[Edited on 3-16-2017 by fishbuck]

Vamos Vaquita

MrBillM - 3-15-2017 at 06:27 PM

An important question EVERYONE should ask themselves IS...........

WHAT will MY life be like on the day AFTER the last Vaquita disappears ?

Act Accordingly.

fishbuck - 3-15-2017 at 06:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
An important question EVERYONE should ask themselves IS...........

WHAT will MY life be like on the day AFTER the last Vaquita disappears ?

Act Accordingly.


Good point. But where do you draw the line? At the last totuaba? How about the last shrimp?
Or maybe when we get to the last triggerfish?
When all native species are wipped-out do we start to worry then?
I have never seen a vaquita and most likely never will. There are lots of animals in SOC that I have never seen but knowing that they are there makes it special to me and alot of other people I think.
In alot of ways it's not only about saving these animals but saving human kind also.
And the right kind of humans that care about their planet and the animals that we share it with.




[Edited on 3-16-2017 by fishbuck]

mtgoat666 - 3-15-2017 at 06:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
An important question EVERYONE should ask themselves IS...........

WHAT will MY life be like on the day AFTER the last Vaquita disappears ?

Act Accordingly.


What will my life be like on the day after mrbillm disappears?
Better!

I'm Flattered

MrBillM - 3-15-2017 at 07:23 PM

.........To think that MY life could influence others to such an extent.

It's empowering.

Personally, I can say with confidence that MY life will be unaffected should the Goat or ANYONE else here drop dead five minutes from now.

That I could have a greater influence on HIM (or others ?) is GREAT.

THAT Canary thinking is for the BIRDS ..............

MrBillM - 3-16-2017 at 11:50 AM

Having heard that overused analogy employed (literally) hundreds of times over the years with NO eventual resulting evidence, it simply affirms the long-held conviction that those Eco-Nuts who employ it are shallow thinkers.

Feel free to list, among the THOUSANDS (or Millions ?), of species gone extinct in recent history that have actually been shown to be an indicator of some greater impact on our future environment.

More specifically, indicate HOW Adios Vaquita might qualify as a (figuratively-speaking) Fortune Teller.

As a Wise Man once SAID .............................

MrBillM - 3-17-2017 at 10:34 AM

" Everyone has an anus and opinions often originate there".

Or, something to that effect.

Fortunately (here, at least), said Rectal Ruminations enjoy equal (lack of) value and offer no more than a (deluded ?) sense of self-satisfaction.

All Verbal Diarrhea has equal weight, so to speak.

Accepting that, (typically) of most (all ?) opinions shared on social media, those opinions have little or no influence since the participants are fixed in their viewpoint.

While realizing that Free-Speech is paramount and that ALL viewpoints have the right to be expressed....................

MINE is, of course, always correct and any contrary position is (naturally) WRONG.

All sarcastic joking aside, in this case, the essence of THAT position is simply that we should look at the question of endangered species with a rational and realistic view of the cost/benefit of our actions without muddying up that assessment with sentimentality.

ANYONE should be free to do their best to save every Beast, Bug, Fish, Fauna or Flora that they wish no matter the odds of success.

As long as they aren't forcing the participation of others (physically or economically) in their efforts.

"It's a small world, after all".

TTFN and AMF.

[Edited on 3-17-2017 by MrBillM]

monoloco - 3-17-2017 at 10:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
" Everyone has an anus and opinions often originate there".

Or, something to that effect.

Fortunately (here, at least), said Rectal Ruminations enjoy equal (lack of) value and offer no more than a (deluded ?) sense of self-satisfaction.

All Verbal Diarrhea has equal weight, so to speak.

Accepting that, (typically) of most (all ?) opinions shared on social media, those opinions have little or no influence since the participants are fixed in their viewpoint.

While realizing that Free-Speech is paramount and that ALL viewpoints have the right to be expressed....................

MINE is, of course, always correct and any contrary position is (naturally) WRONG.

All sarcastic joking aside, in this case, the essence of THAT position is simply that we should look at the question of endangered species with a rational and realistic view of the cost/benefit of our actions without muddying up that assessment with sentimentality.

ANYONE should be free to do their best to save every Beast, Bug, Fish, Fauna or Flora that they wish no matter the odds of success.

As long as they aren't forcing the participation of others (physically or economically) in their efforts.

"It's a small world, after all".

TTFN and AMF.

[Edited on 3-17-2017 by MrBillM]
Using your logic, we shouldn't put any restrictions on any resource extraction because that would economically affect someone. I guess that means you wouldn't object to me buying the property next door to you and developing a gravel pit.

Loco Reading Comprehension and Logic ?

MrBillM - 3-17-2017 at 07:20 PM

HM ?

So Loco reads (?) MY statement:

".......we should look at the question of endangered species with a rational and realistic view of the cost/benefit of our actions without muddying up that assessment with sentimentality......"

AND concludes:

"........Using your logic, we shouldn't put any restrictions on any resource extraction because that would economically affect someone......"

Thanks to Loco for affirming my assertion regarding Liberal lack of critical thinking.





elfbrewery - 3-17-2017 at 08:54 PM

Well, you can go on and on. I don't want to be the person who wants to "get 'em before they are all gone." I remember my dad saying, "If there were no skunks in the world, how could one possibly explain the smell." And I believe that nature does take its course with survival and regeneration. How 'bout "Life is inevitable." Some animals wait till the time is right to produce young. I just wish humans would use their brains to not procreate whenever they felt the urge and used judgement for bringing young ones into the world when appropriate.
We each have our own vision of what makes our life enjoyable, one that we think we should pass on, that's all.

sancho - 3-18-2017 at 05:48 PM

Things don't look good for the Little Cow, hurts in a way: https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/34683775/one-of-last-vaqui...