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Frightening Sight

Russ - 3-19-2017 at 06:53 AM

This horrible machine crossed in front of Punta Chivato yesterday heading towards the mouth of Bahia Concepcion. I have no idea what it was looking for. Reports on finding bait have been really dismal there. But if this thing made a set I suspect there won't be any bait reports there for awhile.

David K - 3-19-2017 at 07:44 AM

So sorry the sea is being raped before your eyes, Russ.

BajaBlanca - 3-19-2017 at 08:08 AM

Such a shame. Very cloudy over here today....no sunrise seen at all.

mtgoat666 - 3-19-2017 at 08:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Russ

This horrible machine...

Machines are not horrible, people are.

I am impressed at the paint job on this boat, usually the trawlers seen in SOC are rust-streaked, in need of paint jobs.

Meany - 3-19-2017 at 08:25 AM

Very Sad :barf:

bajagrouper - 3-19-2017 at 08:38 AM

Probably a distant memory when sitting down for that next shrimp dinner..............

Sweetwater - 3-19-2017 at 09:03 AM

Which country flag was it flying?

LancairDriver - 3-19-2017 at 09:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by Russ

This horrible machine...

Machines are not horrible, people are.

I am impressed at the paint job on this boat, usually the trawlers seen in SOC are rust-streaked, in need of paint jobs.

Expensive boat, apparently well maintained. Raping the gulf must be a profitable business as long as it lasts, which can't be much longer.

stiladam - 3-19-2017 at 10:13 AM

Company: Astilleros Progreso SA de CV

Vessel: Portola VI

Works out of Ensenada

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Astilleros-Progreso-Sa-Cv/195...

monoloco - 3-19-2017 at 01:39 PM

It's seiner, could be after tuna or it could be after sardines for feeding fish in pens.

chuckie - 3-19-2017 at 01:49 PM

Likeley sardines/mackerel..I have a video of a couple of them, taking TONS of "baitfish" from the very location Russ thinks that one was headed..Punta Prieta just North of the Mulege harbor entrance...our "Bait Hole"....Watched for close to an hour...Was also amazed at the big Grouper they took...

monoloco - 3-19-2017 at 01:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

Likeley sardines/mackerel..I have a video of a couple of them, taking TONS of "baitfish" from the very location Russ thinks that one was headed..Punta Prieta just North of the Mulege harbor entrance...our "Bait Hole"....Watched for close to an hour...Was also amazed at the big Grouper they took...

Taking away the food of wild fish to feed farmed fish. What could possibly go wrong?

chuckie - 3-19-2017 at 01:59 PM

Fishery cant stand much more..soon be gone altogether...

Russ - 3-19-2017 at 02:31 PM

Years past during the summer months when the shrimpers were fewer in numbers the sardine boats would be thick. I counted 21 one time. Most were the old rust buckets and would be around for a couple days then return in less than a week. Last summer I counted 5 one day near the mouth but others were a few mile outside probably fishing dorado, mackerel, and the other mackerel type I can't think of the name but was a pest fish, along with any other pelagic fishes. The last few years though most of the sardine/tuna boats have been like shown above. A few had helicopters.

chuckie - 3-19-2017 at 02:39 PM

We called em, sourbellies.....A couple of commercial longliners targeting Dorado as well for a while...Got fouled in one of the surface long lines, and unfortunately had to cut it to pieces to get loose...ca ca occurs...

Russ - 3-19-2017 at 02:41 PM

A couple of old photos

tehag - 3-19-2017 at 03:53 PM

Anyone who actually cares about this subject might want to take 3 and half minutes to watch this video. It is disturbing.

I am a bird-watching guide in BCS and have noticed changes in some marine bird populations already. I haven't seen an Elegant Tern in 2 years, where I used to see them every day in season. The ratio of adult to juvenile Brown Pelicans appears to be trending upward. Where I used to see around 2 to 1 adults over juveniles, today it seems closer to 7 to 1. If you want to drive a species to extinction, a good strategy is to cut off their supply of food for themselves and/or their offspring.

http://thenaturalnumbers.org/sardines.html

[Edited on 3-19-2017 by tehag]

chuckie - 3-19-2017 at 04:05 PM

Should be a "must watch"...few will...

stiladam - 3-19-2017 at 07:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by tehag

Anyone who actually cares about this subject might want to take 3 and half minutes to watch this video. It is disturbing.

http://thenaturalnumbers.org/sardines.html

[Edited on 3-19-2017 by tehag]

Great video and site. Thanks for that

woody with a view - 3-19-2017 at 07:52 PM

Peru used to export fertilizer made from sardines back 50 years ago. They caught every last one and the resource collapsed. Can Mexico stop the madness before its too late?

Russ - 3-20-2017 at 05:37 AM

I doubt Mexico can stop the continuation of depleting the sardines completely. The video above is really informative and I'd be interested in seeing a follow up on that today.

wessongroup - 3-20-2017 at 08:03 AM

Certainly sad to see ...

A very difficult problem on a vast scale .... and the population continues to grow on the planet ...

Consider my self lucky to have seen "stuff" as a kid ... back in the 50's in various locations in the states and Baja

More means more

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/656021468176334381...

sardines

yumawill - 3-20-2017 at 08:34 AM

the solution is obvious. "Soylent Green". Hey it's GREEN and sustainable. If thats what you"re into.

tehag - 3-20-2017 at 09:08 AM

Yes, the solution is obvious; eat less meat. Our taste for massive servings of meat accompanied by tiny dabs of vegies is upside down. Turn it around and eat lots more vegies and much less meat, and both you and the planet will become much healthier. The next great extinction, already well under way, looks a lots less like a comet or meteor and a lot more like a hambuger.

Bubba - 3-20-2017 at 09:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view

Peru used to export fertilizer made from sardines back 50 years ago. They caught every last one and the resource collapsed. Can Mexico stop the madness before its too late?

I think it's wishful thinking. I've watched the quality/quantity of all fish slowly but steadily decline over the past 30 years in Baja.

David K - 3-20-2017 at 10:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by yumawill

the solution is obvious. "Soylent Green". Hey it's GREEN and sustainable. If thats what you"re into.

The year 2022 is now only FIVE YEARS away!!!

TMW - 3-20-2017 at 03:37 PM

There will always be fish in the market place. Maybe not from the oceans but certainly from fish farms.

chuckie - 3-20-2017 at 03:40 PM

That's comforting....

Russ - 3-20-2017 at 04:37 PM

I don't want to eat them as much as I want to catch them. Have you ever seen what hides below the fish in a farm? AND they taste ..... well they don't taste. How or what do they feed fish on the farm with out fish in the oceans?

bajabuddha - 3-20-2017 at 04:54 PM

Hahahaha, remember.... next time you eat Tilapia, they are raised 'under' the striped bass in fish pens to clean out the bass poop..... that's what their purpose and 'feed' is. Also that's why they're less than $3 a pound. Ture-eaters. Now they're serving it in sushi bars under the guise of 'red snapper'. Eater beware.

tehag - 3-20-2017 at 05:17 PM

http://thenaturalnumbers.org/sardines.html

I case you missed this video.

The pie chart therein clearly shows that the eating of fish whether farmed or wild caught is not the big problem, that problem is the feeding of high-quality protein (sardines in this case) to cows, pigs, and chickens to produce vastly less healthy kinds of protein. Think chopping down redwoods to make mulch for crabgrass.

TMW - 3-20-2017 at 06:43 PM

They don't need sardines to feed cows, pigs and chickens. If it is being done it is because it is cheaper than other types of feed.

chuckie - 3-20-2017 at 07:23 PM

Where does this BS come from? Sardines in Cattle feed? Chicken chit? Yes mixed with silage...not much of that anymore..too spendy...

norte - 3-20-2017 at 07:30 PM

Ahhh A world free of regulation and government control....don't you love what you get. Soon we will have all fishing regulations removed along our coastlines as well. I can see the seiners and tuna pens already. Maybe a whale boat or 2.

mtgoat666 - 3-20-2017 at 07:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte

Ahhh A world free of regulation and government control....don't you love what you get. Soon we will have all fishing regulations removed along our coastlines as well. I can see the seiners and tuna pens already. Maybe a whale boat or 2.

Regulations are strangling the commercial fisherman!
When will trump let the commercial fishermen free to make money?
Cut all regulations and regulators and send the all the extra money to the army, freee market anarchy with well-funded military is the only path to prosperity for all!

Cancamo - 3-21-2017 at 08:04 AM

The sardines have all but disappeared here on the East Cape. Not that long ago you could fish live bait by simply picking up a live sardine that was chased up on the beach.
It started about three years ago, fewer and fewer schools of sardines up and down the beach. Then the ever present multitudes of pelicans started starving, then disappeared altogether. The inshore cabrilla, toros, and sierra are all but gone. Last year we tried to save some starving sea lion pups, (they are raised on sardines, don't have the speed or range at that age for other species), all in vain as they perished in the surf.
Four of five years ago Pesca, (Government fishery authority), gave permits to inshore cast netters that hammered the sardines on this coast, final destination for the catch rumored to be the tuna pens in La Paz. With the huge seiners harvesting this resource off shore for animal feed, the sardines, the basis of the food chain around here, don't stand a chance.
We used to use mackerel here for live bait, they are no longer here. I stopped packing my cast net in the panga, (yes I'm a bait fisherman and never caught more than 50 pieces, my live well wouldn't support any more).
It looks like the sardine fishery in the SOC will go the way of Peru, and Cannery Row, Monterrey, California. Every last one will be gone, along with it all the species they support.
We humans are pigs, most animals don't chit in their own bed, we do.

Udo - 3-21-2017 at 08:21 AM

You should be around Bahia Asuncion when the sardine boats come in to drop off their loads.
But the fishermen are doing it legally, because they are all going to the co-op.

Quote: Originally posted by Russ

I doubt Mexico can stop the continuation of depleting the sardines completely. The video above is really informative and I'd be interested in seeing a follow up on that today.

Bubba - 3-21-2017 at 08:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Udo

You should be around Bahia Asuncion when the sardine boats come in to drop off their loads.
But the fishermen are doing it legally, because they are all going to the co-op.

Legal or not, the supply is still being depleted.

ursidae69 - 4-6-2017 at 12:50 PM

I like when issues like this get presented in an efficient way. Nice video.

Quote: Originally posted by tehag

Anyone who actually cares about this subject might want to take 3 and half minutes to watch this video. It is disturbing.

I am a bird-watching guide in BCS and have noticed changes in some marine bird populations already. I haven't seen an Elegant Tern in 2 years, where I used to see them every day in season. The ratio of adult to juvenile Brown Pelicans appears to be trending upward. Where I used to see around 2 to 1 adults over juveniles, today it seems closer to 7 to 1. If you want to drive a species to extinction, a good strategy is to cut off their supply of food for themselves and/or their offspring.

http://thenaturalnumbers.org/sardines.html

[Edited on 3-19-2017 by tehag]