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Police assault in Tecate

chuckie - 5-5-2017 at 11:04 AM

Video over on TB showing two Tecate cops roughing up a US driver, after he insists on not paying a fine and going to the police station.

woody with a view - 5-5-2017 at 11:12 AM

Did he end up going to the station afterall?

del mar - 5-5-2017 at 11:12 AM

thats scary chit for sure, think how easy it would be for those dirtbags to plant something on you, and really be in a world of hurt!

chuckie - 5-5-2017 at 11:36 AM

Exactly what happened to me...

carlosg - 5-5-2017 at 12:33 PM

On FB:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1616773095023405...

joerover - 5-5-2017 at 01:22 PM

where does the video come from?
does he have a video watch or something?

What kind of camera do you use to catch a bandido con placa?

chuckie - 5-5-2017 at 01:39 PM

Who cares?

TedZark - 5-5-2017 at 01:41 PM

While I understand the power of video, I can't say I have ever thought it wise to stick a camera in the face of a cop I was negotiating with.

That said, I don't understand enough of the Spanish to know what is going on other than that he is asking for the cops' names - and they SHOULD have their name tags on.

I am uncertain about the video stuff - being of an older generation where sticking a camera in a cop's face was bound to get you a beating and a broken camera (phone these days).

[Edited on 5-5-2017 by TedZark]

blackwolfmt - 5-5-2017 at 01:44 PM

To bad it wasn't chuckie in the vid , then we would have something to talk about

David K - 5-5-2017 at 01:49 PM

Hmmm... not what I thought I would see.
I see and hear a fluent Spanish speaker who wouldn't go when the cops were done with him after he apparently failed to stop at the intersection (it doesn't matter if others didn't stop at this point) and insisted on getting officer's name and then pointed to the U.S. flag on his vest as if saying the cop was unpatriotic to Mexico. The guy tried to pee off the cops and he finally succeeded.

Am I not seeing the same video or am I mission something else?

chuckie - 5-5-2017 at 01:52 PM

No you are seeing it through your rose colored glasses as usual...Bad Cops

Lee - 5-5-2017 at 02:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Hmmm... not what I thought I would see.
I see and hear a fluent Spanish speaker who wouldn't go when the cops were done with him after he apparently failed to stop at the intersection (it doesn't matter if others didn't stop at this point) and insisted on getting officer's name and then pointed to the U.S. flag on his vest as if saying the cop was unpatriotic to Mexico. The guy tried to pee off the cops and he finally succeeded.

Am I not seeing the same video or am I mission something else?


What I saw too. Guy should have stopped asking for the cops name when the cop was putting on his helmet to go. Guy pi$$ed off the cop.

At some point, esp. if a gringo has been stopped, it's permissible to ask for the cops name over and over. If you don't recognize when to stop, and keep your mouth shut, you get what you get.

Lighten up people. These aren't bad cops -- ain't saying they're good cops -- think the guy made his point. He wanted a name, the cop wasn't going to give him one. Game over. Sorry.

rts551 - 5-5-2017 at 02:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Hmmm... not what I thought I would see.
I see and hear a fluent Spanish speaker who wouldn't go when the cops were done with him after he apparently failed to stop at the intersection (it doesn't matter if others didn't stop at this point) and insisted on getting officer's name and then pointed to the U.S. flag on his vest as if saying the cop was unpatriotic to Mexico. The guy tried to pee off the cops and he finally succeeded.

Am I not seeing the same video or am I mission something else?


Yes, you are mission something.

bajabuddha - 5-5-2017 at 02:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Hmmm... not what I thought I would see.
I see and hear a fluent Spanish speaker who wouldn't go when the cops were done with him after he apparently failed to stop at the intersection (it doesn't matter if others didn't stop at this point) and insisted on getting officer's name and then pointed to the U.S. flag on his vest as if saying the cop was unpatriotic to Mexico. The guy tried to pee off the cops and he finally succeeded.

Am I not seeing the same video or am I mission something else?


Yes, you are mission something.


:lol: :lol: Freudian Slip of the Week ! :lol: :lol:

sancho - 5-5-2017 at 03:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  

What I saw too. Guy should have stopped asking for the cops name when the cop was putting on his helmet to go. Guy pi$$ed off the cop.
At some point, esp. if a gringo has been stopped, it's permissible to ask for the cops name over and over. If you don't recognize when to stop, and keep your mouth shut, you get what you get.














With you on that, this cannot be held up as anything typical,
the fact the driver spoke fluent Spanish, sounds like it is
his first language, sorta scews the incident. Know when to
pick your arguments. Not sure about good cop, bad cop
breakdown %

chuckie - 5-5-2017 at 03:07 PM

I just knew the cops didn't do anything wrong. I knew it...Saints, all of em...Damn gringos anyhow..

TMW - 5-5-2017 at 03:17 PM

It looks to me like a third party was doing the camera. How does someone being taken down by the cops get such good video and audio. I think the whole thing was staged.

chuckie - 5-5-2017 at 03:31 PM

Like I said, damn gringos...That cop just came from communion....with his mother,

bajaguy - 5-5-2017 at 03:43 PM

No badges, no shoulder patches, no name tags, subdued US flag on jacket, (what looks like a) bicycle helmet.........

Appears to me this appears to bogus.

However.......I wasn't there....YMMV

Ken Cooke - 5-5-2017 at 07:35 PM



[Edited on 5-6-2017 by Ken Cooke]

chuckie - 5-6-2017 at 06:47 AM

WTF?

Ken Cooke - 5-6-2017 at 07:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
WTF?


Did you see the Spike Lee movie about police brutality?

chuckie - 5-6-2017 at 07:59 AM

No..was it about Tecate cops?

aguachico - 5-6-2017 at 09:01 AM

The uniform and helmet are wrong. It's a bad idea to confront the police with video alone and no plan. One can easily disappear.

Living in TJ has afforded me many stops. Each stop is different. Be smart, firm and respectful. One ticket, three mordidas out of about 24 stops.

Mexican Police Arrest 21 Alleged Cartel Hitmen in Tecate

Lee - 5-6-2017 at 09:16 AM

This is dated but might demonstrate the possibilities in Tecate.

''Baja California police have arrested 21 suspected drug cartel hit men in Tecate. Federal police link the men to numerous murders. KPBS Reporter Amy Isackson has the story.

The arrests came shortly after gunmen opened fire on two federal policemen at a Tecate gas station.

Federal police say they've tied at least a dozen of the men they detained to the shooting.

They say a former state agent ordered the attack in retaliation for recent arrests.

According to a federal police press release, the ex-agent and 15 other men now in custody work for El Teo.

El Teo used to belong to Tijuana's Arellano Felix cartel. But he supposedly broke away last year and launched the brutal turf war against the Arellano Felix group.

Federal police say the other six they arrested worked for the Arellano Felix Cartel.

Federal police tie all the suspects to at least 4 kidnappings and 3 murders including one beheading.

Amy Isackson, KPBS news.

Wednesday, April 9, 2009''

chuckie - 5-6-2017 at 10:00 AM

Gets better every day, eh?

Udo - 5-6-2017 at 10:06 AM

I reposted the link to FB by Carlosg. and after posting, a person chimed in to say the same thing happened to them by the same (cops). And when the passenger in the car came out (he is a very large person), it was decided to drive to the station.
No money was exchanged.
I will do what I can to get a copy of the video to the state secretary of tourism.

chuckie - 5-6-2017 at 10:12 AM

Likely the cops cousin...

gnukid - 5-6-2017 at 10:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Likely the cops cousin...


Whatever the case here, a real mexican cop is required by law to identify themselves with identification on request (but they most often refuse) and they may not deprive any person of their liberty without an order de cateo signed by a judge (although they always threaten to do so and often do), both actions are examples of illegal processes that will nullify subsequent steps. You can see in the video the process is incorrect whether staged or real and the cops are not likely real cops and may or may not be associated with cops. It's best to not engage directly, nor react, don't argue, stay calm and simply out last them with tangental confusion, they will usually go away after a short while if the money doesn't come easy.


JoeJustJoe - 5-6-2017 at 12:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Hmmm... not what I thought I would see.
I see and hear a fluent Spanish speaker who wouldn't go when the cops were done with him after he apparently failed to stop at the intersection (it doesn't matter if others didn't stop at this point) and insisted on getting officer's name and then pointed to the U.S. flag on his vest as if saying the cop was unpatriotic to Mexico. The guy tried to pee off the cops and he finally succeeded.

Am I not seeing the same video or am I mission something else?


For once I agree with Dave K! The so-called victim here of a bogus stop, and police brutality, never denied he didn't commit a traffic infraction, but instead acted like a complete idiot who was trying to intimidate the cop by continuously asking for his ID, which is his right, but clearly he is over doing it way past the point of assertiveness. This nub-job is simply annoying, that while watching the video, I'm hoping the cop takes out his baton, or just arrests the nut.

Cops are human too, at least some of them are, and most would not put up with an idiot like this guy, especially if he is video taping them.

Did this guy really point to his American flag?

This idiot is really lucky he didn't pull this stunt to a cop in the USA, because if he did, most US cops, would not be as patient as the Mexican cops, and instead would have quickly beat him, black and blue, or perhaps tasered him. If this guy was black, he for sure would have been shot!

The whole thing or parts of this story may be bogus, and yes there are questions if this was a real cop. If this guy was alone, how did he continue shooting the video?

I wouldn't put much weight into one of the Facebook witnesses, Paco, who said, they same thing happened to him. His Facebook, account, is very light, and that's a sign it could be fake.



chuckie - 5-6-2017 at 12:22 PM

JJJ you are so full of chit...

willardguy - 5-6-2017 at 12:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Hmmm... not what I thought I would see.
I see and hear a fluent Spanish speaker who wouldn't go when the cops were done with him after he apparently failed to stop at the intersection (it doesn't matter if others didn't stop at this point) and insisted on getting officer's name and then pointed to the U.S. flag on his vest as if saying the cop was unpatriotic to Mexico. The guy tried to pee off the cops and he finally succeeded.

Am I not seeing the same video or am I mission something else?


For once I agree with Dave K! The so-called victim here of a bogus stop, and police brutality, never denied he didn't commit a traffic infraction, but instead acted like a complete idiot who was trying to intimidate the cop by continuously asking for his ID, which is his right, but clearly he is over doing it way past the point of assertiveness. This nub-job is simply annoying, that while watching the video, I'm hoping the cop takes out his baton, or just arrests the nut.

Cops are human too, at least some of them are, and most would not put up with an idiot like this guy, especially if he is video taping them.

Did this guy really point to his American flag?

This idiot is really lucky he didn't pull this stunt to a cop in the USA, because if he did, most US cops, would not be as patient as the Mexican cops, and instead would have quickly beat him, black and blue, or perhaps tasered him. If this guy was black, he for sure would have been shot!

The whole thing or parts of this story may be bogus, and yes there are questions if this was a real cop. If this guy was alone, how did he continue shooting the video?

I wouldn't put much weight into one of the Facebook witnesses, Paco, who said, they same thing happened to him. His Facebook, account, is very light, and that's a sign it could be fake.




oh no....not a light facebook account! :rolleyes:

Lee - 5-6-2017 at 01:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
JJJ you are so full of chit...


I must be too because I agree with JJJ.

This stuff just feeds your neurosis chuck. I'm convinced your life is safe if you just stay out of Baja. If Baja has such negative memories for you, why are you posting here?


chuckie - 5-6-2017 at 01:18 PM

Hows your facebook page? A lil light?

Lee - 5-6-2017 at 01:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Hows your facebook page? A lil light?


Unlike you, I don't look at Talk Baja or Facebook regarding violence in Baja. And this forum is all the social media I need.

Talking gibberish lacks credibility.

Why do you post here if you hate Baja? Honest question.

JoeJustJoe - 5-6-2017 at 01:46 PM

Facebook has a "real-name system" policy, which they claim makes the community safer. I disagree that it makes members safer. I think it puts them more at risk. However, if you are caught with a fake Facebook account, you run the risk of getting it deleted by Facebook after an investigation.

"Talk Baja" after a rash of fake user accounts using fake names to troll the site and push their agenda, said they were going to start monitoring closely who joins the site, and also making sure people joining weren't using fake names.

It appears that was just lip service, because Talk Baja still gets people joining up using bogus names.

Other Baja Facebook, group sites, said similar things after getting hit by trolls. Some of them went to the extreme, and said, they were not going to allow anybody to join their Baja site, unless it could be confirmed the new members lived in Baja!

Suspected fake Facebook accounts, are usually easy to spot, because, they are usually new, have very little written on them, and they have almost no friends or family listed on their Facebook page. Hence, the meaning their "Facebook page is light."


chuckie - 5-6-2017 at 02:03 PM

Lee, you just posted a lot of info about crime in Tecate. Why are you doing that? If you hate Baja that much why are you living there? Nothing I posted was anything but news...YOU on the other hand seemed to issue a threat to me..."your life is safe if you stay out of Baja" Are you going to have me killed? Pretty heavy duty stuff...be careful...

SFandH - 5-6-2017 at 02:15 PM

I don't think HE was threatening you. I think he's talking about the near record Mexican murder rate. Things are heating up. 10 murders in TJ yesterday alone. :O

chuckie - 5-6-2017 at 02:31 PM

Aint buying it...

SFandH - 5-6-2017 at 04:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by aguachico  
One ticket, three mordidas out of about 24 stops.


You've been stopped 24 times???????

[Edited on 5-6-2017 by SFandH]

bajabuddha - 5-6-2017 at 04:43 PM

I only pass through TKT when headed south or north, and have been stopped 5 times. Never paid a dime in mordida, did the ol' Mexican stand-off with 'em. Nothing was ever a worthy bust. In Ensenada I've been stopped 3 times, and all for good measure, I was in the wrong. Gladly paid my fine, twice at the police station.... I deserved it. Third time was the charm; had my EMT sticker and Search and Rescue sticker (County Sherrif's emblem on it) on my truck. The two cops that pulled me over did a little 'confab' at my back bumper, came up and asked me was I in LE. I kinda said "yeah" and they shook my hand and told me to have a nice day. TKT is definitely a gringo / mordida trap. Even if you do everything right you're still subject to a shake-down on any given day.

aguachico - 5-6-2017 at 06:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by aguachico  
One ticket, three mordidas out of about 24 stops.


You've been stopped 24 times???????

[Edited on 5-6-2017 by SFandH]


Over the past 20+ years driving in Tijuana. Yes, and have forgotten a few, 24 is a conservative estimate.

My first trip, my first 5 minutes we were pulled over on our way to Bajamar to play golf. I had no idea what was going on. Luckily one of our foursome spoke Spanish. It's not hard to troll up police in Baja. I am a traveler, loggin quite a few miles on Mexico's road.

I got chased leaving a reten the other night. I thought the guy told me to go when he was actually saying pull into secondary. The cop was cool and checked my breath for booze. No problems.

thinking about the times I have been in the wrong and not received a ticket, speeding, driving the wrong way, dui, illegal uturns, parking in taxi zones and window tint. I should donate some $$$ to the police fund where in Mariano.

I got pulled over once for speeding north of ensenada. The cop asked me if I speak Spanish, I really don't and what I speak is very poor. He started chiding me that I do speak and was just trying to get out of the ticket, he didn't give me a ticket.

Tickets in Mexico and even mordidas are pennies to the dollar for what you pay in San Diego. The worst you can ever pay via ticket or mordida is $40. I can handle that.

Lee - 5-6-2017 at 06:53 PM

Talk is cheap and life is cheaper in Baja. With your string of bad luck down here chuck, staying away from Baja is the smartest thing you can do.

I love Baja, chuck hates Baja. Why does he post here?

freediverbrian - 5-6-2017 at 09:28 PM

I think it is a fake ,you see his right and left hand in video seconds apart without any movement in video , try switching hands with your phone without losing the frame on the subject then is taken to ground by two cops without dropping phone or a cop pinning his right hand and making drop the phone

bajabuddha - 5-6-2017 at 09:35 PM

Sorry Lee, but Chuck has forgotten more about the good times in Baja (not THE Baja) than you will ever remember. Be respectful of those who came before you.

chuckie - 5-6-2017 at 10:59 PM

Ol Lee ? He is kinda funny, eh? He seems to have appointed himself the chronicler of my life in Baja. He says I have had a "string of bad luck". In the 50+ years I have hung out in Baja, my second home, I have had ONE experience, fairly recently, which frightened me. The reason I moved back to the US is pretty simple, Health....Age will do that to you. Lee knows pretty much nothing about where I was, what I did except for that one experience which I documented on this forum a few years back..In point of fact, as I have said before, I love Baja and its people, of my generation...whom we are losing fast...I don't have to explain to anyone why I post here. Lee seems to have threatened me a few posts back.....not wise..

Lee - 5-7-2017 at 07:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Ol Lee ? He is kinda funny, eh? He seems to have appointed himself the chronicler of my life in Baja. He says I have had a "string of bad luck". In the 50+ years I have hung out in Baja, my second home, I have had ONE experience, fairly recently, which frightened me. The reason I moved back to the US is pretty simple, Health....Age will do that to you. Lee knows pretty much nothing about where I was, what I did except for that one experience which I documented on this forum a few years back..In point of fact, as I have said before, I love Baja and its people, of my generation...whom we are losing fast...I don't have to explain to anyone why I post here. Lee seems to have threatened me a few posts back.....not wise..


You think you've been threatened, do something about it. Otherwise, enough people here have your number.

Talk is cheap. So is your bogus video. Anything else?

gsbotanico - 5-7-2017 at 11:09 AM

The area with the stop sign in Tecate is notorious for snagging drivers who don't come to a complete stop at the stop sign. The advice above to be politely stubborn and not pay the bribe is the best advice. I'm sure I've been stopped more than 20 times over decades. I've only paid a fine one time and that was in Valle de Guadalupe more than 15 years ago when I accidentally ran a stop sign early one Saturday morning in the rain on a dirt road. I was able to get the fine cut in half, but I was guilty and went ahead and paid the fine.

The video is not clear to me. It's hard to know exactly what happened, although I am suspicious of it. My advice is not to roll through stop signs, especially in Tecate. Also keep your speed down and always use your blinkers when changing lanes or turning. Plus I never go through a light that has just turned red. This is a good safety precaution and prevents being stopped by a cop.


Lee - 5-7-2017 at 11:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gsbotanico  
Also keep your speed down and always use your blinkers when changing lanes or turning. Plus I never go through a light that has just turned red. This is a good safety precaution and prevents being stopped by a cop.



You write like you have experience in Baja. So, I'm surprised that you think obeying the law, under the speed limit, stopping at all signs, etc., ''prevents being stopped by a cop.''

Is that what you think? Play by the rules and you're OK?

chuckie - 5-7-2017 at 01:17 PM

Thank you Lee, That's what what was needed...

KurtG - 5-7-2017 at 01:23 PM

I'm very surprised when I read about those who have been stopped multiple times in Tecate, TJ, and Ensenada. Over 40+ years I have been in those towns at least 100 times and have never had an encounter of any kind with a Mexican cop. I cross at Tecate regularly going both ways, I drive into Tijuana for dental work and I visit friends in Ensenada. I have passed through Constitucion many times including in the past couple of months. Despite tales of police harassment there and in La Paz I have never been stopped. I did get a ticket in Cabo San Lucas about 20 years ago for not wearing a helmet while riding, cost me $7.00 at the station. I am offering my experience since we only seem to hear from those who have been stopped. Maybe I am just lucky but common sense tells me there may be more involved than that.

mtgoat666 - 5-7-2017 at 01:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KurtG  
I'm very surprised when I read about those who have been stopped multiple times in Tecate, TJ, and Ensenada. Over 40+ years I have been in those towns at least 100 times and have never had an encounter of any kind with a Mexican cop. I cross at Tecate regularly going both ways, I drive into Tijuana for dental work and I visit friends in Ensenada. I have passed through Constitucion many times including in the past couple of months. Despite tales of police harassment there and in La Paz I have never been stopped. I did get a ticket in Cabo San Lucas about 20 years ago for not wearing a helmet while riding, cost me $7.00 at the station. I am offering my experience since we only seem to hear from those who have been stopped. Maybe I am just lucky but common sense tells me there may be more involved than that.


Me too. Never been stopped by a cop. I suspect that those frequently stopped are really poor drivers, aggressive drivers, or are doing something that draws attention to them. The world is full of driving infractions, why would a cop stop a driver behaving legally when he has his pick of bad drivers?

chuckie - 5-7-2017 at 01:35 PM

I used to cross through Tijuana on a fairly regular basis and got stopped (bogus) by the same pair of officers at the same spot for the 3rd time. I suggested they just put a collection box at the border for me to put the money in, and it would save us all time. We all laughed and they wished me a good trip and sent me on my way..This was likely in the 60's when things weren't so tense...;)

bajabuddha - 5-7-2017 at 01:37 PM

Go screw yourself, goathead. Last time I was stopped in TKT the cop said it was because I had a ladder strapped to my 5th wheel ladder on the back end... said it obstructed my license plate. I had deliberately lined up the rungs so it wouldn't at all. He was just after gringo mordida, Sparky. Did you go to Azzhole U. or were you just born that way?

mtgoat666 - 5-7-2017 at 01:41 PM

I am amused that more than 2/3 of drivers think they are better than average drivers! :light:

mtgoat666 - 5-7-2017 at 01:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Go screw yourself, goathead. Last time I was stopped in TKT the cop said it was because I had a ladder strapped to my 5th wheel ladder on the back end... said it obstructed my license plate. I had deliberately lined up the rungs so it wouldn't at all. He was just after gringo mordida, Sparky. Did you go to Azzhole U. or were you just born that way?


The situation you describe would obscure the plate from view at an angle. Sounds like the cop was right!

JZ - 5-7-2017 at 01:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Video over on TB showing two Tecate cops roughing up a US driver, after he insists on not paying a fine and going to the police station.


Pathetic. Just pathetic how mad you are at life. It just kills you to see people enjoying Baja.

JZ - 5-7-2017 at 02:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
This was likely in the 60's


This explains everything anyone needs to know about you and why you are so miserable and want everyone else to be miserable and not go to Baja.

Most older dudes tell stories of their great Baja adventures, but not you, you are just nasty and don't want to see anyone going and having fun.

What a life you have. The 60's you would be ashamed.




[Edited on 5-7-2017 by JZ]

DENNIS - 5-7-2017 at 02:17 PM


Stop it!!!

chuckie - 5-7-2017 at 02:34 PM

Aye Aye Dennis! You da man...

chuckie - 5-7-2017 at 03:27 PM

One last comment...JZ REALLY hates older folks...Guess it is understandable, since he aint never gonna get old, Having AIDS and all...BYE ......

JZ - 5-7-2017 at 04:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
One last comment...JZ REALLY hates older folks...Guess it is understandable, since he aint never gonna get old, Having AIDS and all...BYE ......


Nope, not old folks, old folks who are miserable and try to spread their misery.

There's a subtle, but definite distinction.

It's better to be happy my man.

chuckie - 5-7-2017 at 04:15 PM

That aint me My man...

Udo - 5-8-2017 at 07:30 AM

:biggrin:

gsbotanico - 5-9-2017 at 05:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by gsbotanico  
Also keep your speed down and always use your blinkers when changing lanes or turning. Plus I never go through a light that has just turned red. This is a good safety precaution and prevents being stopped by a cop.



You write like you have experience in Baja. So, I'm surprised that you think obeying the law, under the speed limit, stopping at all signs, etc., ''prevents being stopped by a cop.''

Is that what you think? Play by the rules and you're OK?

I should have added the word "helps" before "prevents being stopped by a cop." My bad. I always follow my own rules, so if I'm stopped, I know I can affirm my innocence. I always speak in Spanish, even if the cop answers me in English. It's a signal to the cop that I am not naive. I always say I respect the Mexican laws and ask if I am being stopped because of my California plates. I hold firm and agree to go to the oficina de la delegaciĆ³n if necessary.

I've never paid a bribe. Never. The problem is too many others do, and it makes it harder for those of us who don't. For those who don't speak enough Spanish maybe it's time to take some Spanish classes.

bajaguy - 5-9-2017 at 05:08 PM

A dash cam helps

ehall - 5-9-2017 at 06:32 PM