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Dangerous

BajaGlenn - 6-23-2017 at 07:56 AM

Mexico as a whole listed as second most dangerous country in the world behind Sierra--they said N Baja was the third most dangerous staet--Guess they have not been to Chicago or S/w Los Angeles lately??:fire::mad::fire:

SFandH - 6-23-2017 at 08:04 AM


"President Donald Trump on Thursday evening tweeted that "Mexico was just ranked the second deadliest country in the world, after only Syria. Drug trade is largely the cause. We will BUILD THE WALL!"

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-mexico-2nd-deadliest-co...

32.7 million people follow his tweets.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

[Edited on 6-23-2017 by SFandH]

BajaBlanca - 6-23-2017 at 08:33 AM

What a shame. Mexico certainly needs the tourist bucks.

willardguy - 6-23-2017 at 08:46 AM

ah yes......chicago again :rolleyes:

SFandH - 6-23-2017 at 09:11 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
What a shame. Mexico certainly needs the tourist bucks.


Not sure this will affect tourism much, but for sure it won't help. Mexico had record high tourism this past December.

monthly numbers:

"Tourist Arrivals in Mexico averaged 605.38 Thousand from 1960 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 2496.24 Thousand in December of 2016 and a record low of 56.59 Thousand in May of 1962."

https://tradingeconomics.com/mexico/tourist-arrivals

BajaMama - 6-23-2017 at 09:15 AM

Well if it keeps the Trumpets out, I'm good...

chuckie - 6-23-2017 at 09:19 AM

No one is allowed to post any thing negative on this forum.You will be heavily censured for even implying there is crime or problems in Baja..shame shame..

Barry A. - 6-23-2017 at 09:24 AM

Perception is everything, often overwhelming any reported "facts" or stats. Many simply don't except anymore anything put out there as a "Fact"------I know I don't.

chuckie - 6-23-2017 at 10:05 AM

by not accepting it ,they except it, correcto? Besides, it cant be true..Might drive property values down...

Barry A. - 6-23-2017 at 10:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
by not accepting it ,they except it, correcto? Besides, it cant be true..Might drive property values down...


Huh??? No comprendo---------way to obscure for me.

chuckie - 6-23-2017 at 10:37 AM

Keep the Duck...

shari - 6-23-2017 at 10:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
No one is allowed to post any thing negative on this forum.You will be heavily censured for even implying there is crime or problems in Baja..shame shame..


Oh Chuckie, with all due respect...stuff it...these posts on the dangers of Baja are endlessly posted here but ya know what...I get weary responding to them every time and prefer to dwell on the positive.

OK, granted, we are fortunate to live in a rural area with very few problems so dont have to deal with Narco crimes and are mostly unaffected by it...except for the decrease in tourism. We our proud of our safe village and strive to keep it that way.

Yeah of course the world is changing everywhere and life is dangerous...property values decrease....whatever. I accept that but cant do much about it more than stay away from the dangerous areas and just say no to crack...jajajaja...:lol::light:

Now do you want to hear about the 20 kilo yellowtail Juan caught an hour ago?

[Edited on 6-23-2017 by shari]

Howard - 6-23-2017 at 10:47 AM

Shari, talk is cheap, we want pictures of that Yellowtail!

Please don't post a picture of one that's a few years old. :biggrin:

How about a picture of that 20KG Halibut I caught with Juan?

Oh oh, am I being negative about Baja?


woody with a view - 6-23-2017 at 10:48 AM

Yes
Please!

The
Fish
Not
The
Crack!

Udo - 6-23-2017 at 10:52 AM

20 Kg. halibut?

That is just about Alaska size.

BTW (The surprise statistic is how many people are turning up dead in what I thought was a sleepy little town of San Quintin...with apologies to Bajagringo)
Quote: Originally posted by Howard  
Shari, talk is cheap, we want pictures of that Yellowtail!

Please don't post a picture of one that's a few years old. :biggrin:

How about a picture of that 20KG Halibut I caught with Juan?

Oh oh, am I being negative about Baja?


shari - 6-23-2017 at 10:52 AM

Our guest (who has waited 3 days for the swell to decrease) said yesterday he was gonna catch the first yt of the season and he did...they are still out on the water so pics later...in a perfect world...if I dont get mugged, shot, beheaded blah blah.

chuckie - 6-23-2017 at 11:05 AM

See? How easily this morphed into a fish subject???

shari - 6-23-2017 at 11:09 AM

it's all about priorities man

SteveWil - 6-23-2017 at 11:23 AM

Number are funny things, St. Louis is the worst city in the USA and 14 in the world by homicides per 100,000.
A list of cities by murder rate, Chicago was not even in the top 50. Acapulco was number 2.
Take a look at the list here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
Not sure how the number relate to my safety in Mexico or the USA? I feel I would not want to travel to Chicago from what I have been hearing about Chicago in the news.

chuckie - 6-23-2017 at 11:24 AM

Insert pics of Sunsets, people drinking, all join hands and sing koombyah...

sancho - 6-23-2017 at 11:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
ah yes......chicago again :rolleyes:








Has to be the most irrelevant comparison that is often posted
here, major US cities compared with basically a tourist destination, Mex






[Edited on 6-23-2017 by sancho]

David K - 6-23-2017 at 11:35 AM

Don't tourist go to Chicago anymore? The pizza, the Cubs, the Great Lakes, that 'former Sears' building that used to be the tallest in the world???

Udo - 6-23-2017 at 11:59 AM

A couple of years ago I had made a stop in Chicago's downtown area and went to GIORDANO'S pizzeria.

The best pizza I ever ate!

chuckie - 6-23-2017 at 12:05 PM

Light campfire, make smores..kooombyah...koombyah...

shari - 6-23-2017 at 12:09 PM

nah...tooo much sugar....I'll stick to sashimi;)

chuckie - 6-23-2017 at 12:39 PM

I had the best Walleye in Minneapolis....

Hook - 6-23-2017 at 01:00 PM

Every time I hear people talk about how dangerous the world is becoming, I think back to the numbers involving WWII. Sixty million people died in six years, folks, including around 40 million civilians!

The world is infinitely better than what some, who are still alive, lived through. It's not ancient history. Conventional media and social media just magnify it to more people.

Given the advances in medicine and the lack of any widespread wars in Europe, the Americas and Asia for approaching 80 years now, we are statistically living in one of the safest periods in human history. Of course it helps to live in the right places, to enjoy this. Parts of Guerrero, Michoacan and Sinaloa probably dont qualify; just as Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq don't either.

One thing to keep in mind about statistics on Mexico is how many persons who have simply disappeared for a year or more, arent counted in the murder rates. Yet a significant number of those have also probably been murdered. Well, they dont show up in the rates until they are discovered in a mass grave or otherwise. I seem to remember that figure being about an additional 20% of the murder rate.

Also, there are studies that claim that well over 50% of all crime in Mexico goes unreported due to fear of reprisal from criminals or corrupt authorities.

Mexico is difficult to fully gauge...........but it ain't pretty in many cases.

At the risk of sounding racist to some, I would point out that if you are a non-Hispanic in Mexico, you're odds of being the victim of murder are EXTREMELY LOW, compared to the number of non-Hispanics in Mexico. I am amazed at how few non-Hispanics become collateral casualties with all the shooting that goes on in this "war on drugs".

I'm now spending much less time in Mexico, but it isnt for fear of the "dangers". Mexico's infrastructure and economy for the poor and middle class (of which I am one) just seems to be collapsing on so many fronts. Fishing has nosedived almost everywhere, roads aren't maintained at the pace that they fail, there are huge water delivery issues, health care and education are extremely poor unless you can afford the good private hospitals or schools, sewage treatment outside of large cities is rare............and then there is the legendary corruption at so many levels of government. Maintaining a household becomes frustrating with how the environment causes the cheap, Chinese imported parts to fail so quickly. It just wears you down.

Paco Facullo - 6-23-2017 at 03:20 PM

Speaking of drugs,

Breaking news,,,,, Oprah has just been caught concealing drugs,

They lifted up her dress and

found ten pounds of crack.......

BajaGlenn - 6-23-2017 at 04:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
No one is allowed to post any thing negative on this forum.You will be heavily censured for even implying there is crime or problems in Baja..shame shame..


Thats OK --i am thick skinned--heard it all before--:lol:

bezzell - 6-23-2017 at 04:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
Speaking of drugs,

Breaking news,,,,, Chuckie has just been caught concealing drugs,

They lifted up his dress and

found ten pounds of crack.......


fixed it for you.:)

Cliffy - 6-23-2017 at 04:33 PM

Let's take that "murder" rate and suck out all the drug related killings and see what the ratio looks like then!

There are places in LAX that I won't go in the daytime and I grew up there. I didn't go down into the subway in St Petersberg, Russia when I was there (lots of warnings about that by folks who knew).

If you're not involved in the drug trade your chances of being caught up in the violence are slim to none IMHO.

Shari, does your little town work together to "keep and eye out" on what's going on and help with removing troublesome issues? I live in a big town compared to you but small up here and the police and locals generally know who's doing what and just wait for the opportunity to cuff them up.

Howard - 6-23-2017 at 04:34 PM

Yes, a 20KG Halibut. In Juan's boat we were Yo Yo ing for Yellowtail and must of hit a sandy patch and the both of us were surprised as hell with not only the size but caught him on iron!
Shari, do you still have pictures?

chuckie - 6-23-2017 at 05:16 PM

Bezzell, Thank you for your input. So sweet! I wont tell anyone that you did the inspection up close...

shari - 6-23-2017 at 05:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  


Shari, does your little town work together to "keep and eye out" on what's going on and help with removing troublesome issues? I live in a big town compared to you but small up here and the police and locals generally know who's doing what and just wait for the opportunity to cuff them up.


There are several things in place to curb crime in our village...most people work for the 2 fishing cooperativas who have random drug testing....first positive test you get a warning, second you forcibly go to rehab for 6 months, third time you are out of a job so that keeps many clean.

Next, the cooperatives have a very active vigilancia patrol program and they patrol the streets and beaches 24/7 watching for poachers and any unusual behavior and they have a bead on strange vehicles entering the village which keeps the bad guys away generally.

Then there is a very organized church group of parents who address issues like who is selling meth to get them sent out of town. At times the police hands are tied due to threats but the church group finds ways to banish the dealers so help their family members. Also there are lots of interventions where family send their kin off to rehab.

The beauty of a village is that everyone keeps an eye out for each other.

FISH UPDATE: Ok so they lost a big one and got a couple 20-25 lb yellowtail...pics to come....just happy they found YT this early in the season.

mtgoat666 - 6-23-2017 at 06:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by shari  
Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  


Shari, does your little town work together to "keep and eye out" on what's going on and help with removing troublesome issues? I live in a big town compared to you but small up here and the police and locals generally know who's doing what and just wait for the opportunity to cuff them up.


There are several things in place to curb crime in our village...most people work for the 2 fishing cooperativas who have random drug testing....first positive test you get a warning, second you forcibly go to rehab for 6 months, third time you are out of a job so that keeps many clean.

Next, the cooperatives have a very active vigilancia patrol program and they patrol the streets and beaches 24/7 watching for poachers and any unusual behavior and they have a bead on strange vehicles entering the village which keeps the bad guys away generally.

Then there is a very organized church group of parents who address issues like who is selling meth to get them sent out of town. At times the police hands are tied due to threats but the church group finds ways to banish the dealers so help their family members. Also there are lots of interventions where family send their kin off to rehab.

The beauty of a village is that everyone keeps an eye out for each other.

FISH UPDATE: Ok so they lost a big one and got a couple 20-25 lb yellowtail...pics to come....just happy they found YT this early in the season.


A famous politician said it well, "it takes a village...."

bajagrouper - 6-23-2017 at 06:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I had the best Walleye in Minneapolis....




Willing to bet Walleye is a code for Browneye...........

rts551 - 6-23-2017 at 07:03 PM

Well said Hook. Even though there are attempts to sweep it under the rug sometimes, the little villages along the northern Pacific coast of BCS (Bahio tortugas to Punta Abreojos) have a drug problem. There is a reawson the coops have a drug testing policy and are willing to send members off to rehab; they take drugs. There is a reason that police are threatened....the cartels have found a lucrative market for meth in all these little towns. Family pressure and the church are finding it difficult to curb this plague.

KurtG - 6-23-2017 at 09:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajagrouper  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I had the best Walleye in Minneapolis....


Willing to bet Walleye is a code for Browneye...........


Probably shouldn't express that opinion around a Minnesotan!

From Wikipedia: The walleye is the state fish of Minnesota, Vermont and South Dakota and the official fish of Saskatchewan.[11]

It is very popular with Minnesota residents; more walleye is eaten in Minnesota than in any other jurisdiction of the United States. Both Garrison and Baudette, Minnesota, claim to be the "Walleye Capital of the World," each with a large statue of the fish.[12]

bajabuddha - 6-24-2017 at 03:55 AM

Anyone notice how much shorter the days are getting?

chippy - 6-24-2017 at 04:03 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
Let's take that "murder" rate and suck out all the drug related killings and see what the ratio looks like then!

There are places in LAX that I won't go in the daytime and I grew up there. I didn't go down into the subway in St Petersberg, Russia when I was there (lots of warnings about that by folks who knew).

If you're not involved in the drug trade your chances of being caught up in the violence are slim to none IMHO.

Shari, does your little town work together to "keep and eye out" on what's going on and help with removing troublesome issues? I live in a big town compared to you but small up here and the police and locals generally know who's doing what and just wait for the opportunity to cuff them up.



You grew up in an airport? How cool is that?:cool:

ncampion - 6-24-2017 at 08:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SteveWil  
Number are funny things, St. Louis is the worst city in the USA and 14 in the world by homicides per 100,000.
A list of cities by murder rate, Chicago was not even in the top 50. Acapulco was number 2.
Take a look at the list here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
Not sure how the number relate to my safety in Mexico or the USA? I feel I would not want to travel to Chicago from what I have been hearing about Chicago in the news.



One thing to think about is that I'm sure every death is reported/recorded in the US, not so sure about some of those other cities.

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chuckie - 6-24-2017 at 08:59 AM

Every time I see these lists of cities and murder rates, I wonder who plans to go there on Vacation? Who cares? Its about Baja...

BajaGlenn - 6-24-2017 at 01:30 PM

Getting caught in the crossfire would sure ruin a vacation--Just stay in Baja sur would be the answer i think:light::bounce::biggrin:Just not Cabo area:?:

[Edited on 6-24-2017 by BajaGlenn]