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Picacho del Diablo hiking party missing/overdue [FOUND!]

BajaNomad - 6-27-2017 at 08:02 AM

More info to come...

I have multiple communications from last night and this morning regarding a 3-person hiking party that was due back in San Diego on Sunday from a hike to Picacho del Diablo. Missing are Morgan Fox and his two daughters. Morgan is diabetic.

From the inbox last night:

"My cousin and his (2) daughters are missing. They were to return Sunday from a hike on Devils Peak. Search starts tomorrow early we hope they are found quickly. My cousin loves this park and has hiked it for years. Its very remote and no other hikers ckd to hike so they are alone. We are worried no contact since Tuesday last week, and due home Sunday."


And a follow-up this morning:

"I just called the civil protection and Carlos comes in at 7. The gentleman I spoke with said they have had 2 teams searching since 1 am. Not sure how many in the team. Angie the friend that knows the trail is great. Since they are most likely still on the trail. It's a couple day hike but someone without a heavy backpack should be able to get thru quicker. Anyone that goes out needs to bring honey/ sugar. That can be squirted or rubbed on the gums. Or IV's"



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[Edited on 6-27-2017 by BajaNomad]

bajaguy - 6-27-2017 at 08:04 AM

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=49601

BajaNomad - 6-27-2017 at 08:05 AM

I'm seeing there's a thread on this at Talk Baja as well:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/TalkBaja/permalink/176261236...

BajaNomad - 6-27-2017 at 08:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=49601


Thank you.

Similar info also posted here:
https://www.facebook.com/proteccioncivilbc/posts/15872312580...


bajatrailrider - 6-27-2017 at 08:22 AM

Hope they are Ok it was 108 in the Shade other day and up to 118.

norte - 6-27-2017 at 08:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
Hope they are Ok it was 108 in the Shade other day and up to 118.


108 at 9000 feet. Are you sure? I think this about people on top of Sierra San Pedro Martir.

BajaNomad - 6-27-2017 at 08:38 AM

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Baja-Picacho-del-Diabl...

BajaNomad - 6-27-2017 at 08:54 AM

Another picture of the daughters, Claire and Maura:



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elgatoloco - 6-27-2017 at 09:27 AM

Hope this ends well for everyone.

FWIW - a number of years ago (only first 3 miles of road were paved) the wife and I were in SQ and it was 103 - Porky Pig said it was the hottest ever seen in 50 years there. We drove up to SPM and it was 72. I left a small bowl of water out overnight and it froze.

Sending positive vibes to the Fox family.

Hikers Found!

Aqsurfer - 6-27-2017 at 12:21 PM

Great news. I just got word that a Mex military helo just spotted the group alive. No further details at the moment.

Great effort by Mex proteccion civil, military SAR, and volunteers. Continued success in getting them out.

BigBearRider - 6-27-2017 at 12:37 PM

What a relief. Thank you.

Maderita - 6-27-2017 at 12:47 PM

The GPS coordinates were sent to ground personnel who will assist.
https://www.facebook.com/proteccioncivilbc/?fref=nf

desertcpl - 6-27-2017 at 12:56 PM

good news

Maderita - 6-27-2017 at 01:20 PM

An aerial photo is showing all 3 on their feet. Great news!

BornFisher - 6-27-2017 at 01:45 PM

yipeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Dodged a bullet!!

mtgoat666 - 6-27-2017 at 01:55 PM

Glad they got found.
The location on the GE screen shot via FB page shows they were photographed on the ridgeline route between blue bottle pass and south peak of Diablo, not on the standard class 4 route that goes via campo noche. They are west of the hard part, so maybe on way out after being delayed by some adventure on the peak?
Hope we get the story, but sometimes people clam up after being the subject of public news..

woody with a view - 6-27-2017 at 02:02 PM

Either way, the conjecture and speculation here will be entertaining for a minute. Glad they're safe!

Aqsurfer - 6-27-2017 at 02:06 PM

Ground SAR is approximately 2 hours hike in from them, then 2 hours for the hike out (atleast).

Hats off to the SAR teams!

BajaBlanca - 6-27-2017 at 02:23 PM

:bounce:

willardguy - 6-27-2017 at 02:37 PM

:P thats GREAT NEWS! after they're down and safe I bet they'll want to celebrate with a delicious ice cold coors light! :yes:

StuckSucks - 6-27-2017 at 02:45 PM

Their location: https://goo.gl/maps/fnoS9smThxC2

BajaNomad - 6-27-2017 at 02:49 PM



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elgatoloco - 6-27-2017 at 06:42 PM

:cool:

Maderita - 6-27-2017 at 08:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Glad they got found.
The location on the GE screen shot via FB page shows they were photographed on the ridgeline route between blue bottle pass and south peak of Diablo, not on the standard class 4 route that goes via campo noche. They are west of the hard part, so maybe on way out after being delayed by some adventure on the peak?...

Mtgoat666,
The location appears to me to be on the saddle between Picacho del Diablo and what we call "Pinnacle Ridge". It is a known bivy site for the (difficult and techinical) Pinnacle Ridge Traverse route. It is on the east side of Canyon Diablo. To hike out would require first descending into the canyon, then ascend Gorin's Gully (better the unnamed adjacent gully) toward Cerro Botella Azul (Blue Bottle). A full day's difficult hike to reach Los Llanos where their vehicle was parked.
No clue yet as to why they are so far off the standard 3rd class route. Almost certainly not equipped for the technical Pinnacle Ridge traverse. Unlikely choice for ascending from Diablo Canyon/Campo Noche area. Perhaps they turned upward, out of the canyon for the summit, way short of the standard route. Or, perhaps they descended the wrong way from summit.
The 6 liters of water dropped from the helicopter should see them through the night. They should reach the Diablo Canyon floor and running water in the morning if there are no medical issues.

[Edited on 6-28-2017 by Maderita]

Desert Rat - 6-27-2017 at 11:54 PM

I would like for the rescued hikers to write a report of their experience and I hope they do. I think it could reveal information that would be beneficial to other hikers who wish to climb Picacho. I don't know if they ended up at the rescue location by error or on purpose. They would have had trouble finding water anywhere other than at the bottom of the canyon. Congratulations to the SAR teams for their successful endeavor. Very happy that the hikers were found alive.

chuckie - 6-28-2017 at 04:02 AM

Glad they were found and appear to be safe. That is tough country...

David K - 6-28-2017 at 08:19 AM

Here is the Climbing Diablo Mountain web page: http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/devil.htm

From that web page:
Return to Vallecitos trailhead

It is a long and tough climb up and out of the canyon back to Vallecitos Meadow. You must be careful not to leave Blue Bottle Wash too soon to begin contouring right toward the Blue Bottle Saddle. But mostly it is a hard slog punctuated by rest stops during which you can again admire the magnificient view behind you. Finally, you should reach the Blue Bottle Saddle (30o58.39'N 115o23.75'W) about lunchtime. Thus replenished, you begin the gentle descent through a shallow valley traveling northwest in the direction of Vallecitos meadow. The going is fairly easy, and as long as you head northwest, you will inevitably intersect the dirt road to the west. The trail is initially very well ducked and passes through some beautiful aspen groves. But then it seems to evaporate and you cross from one canyon to another on several occasions. With some luck you will encounter the ducked trail again in the flat, sandy-bottomed canyon that emerges onto the broad meadow where your vehicle was parked (30o59.93'N 115o27.07'W). It is a three mile drive north along the dirt road to the junction with the main dirt road to the Observatory.


Here is one of the maps. It shows that going down into the canyon to Campo Noche, and not staying up high using Pinnacle Ridge, is the route suggested:





[Edited on 6-28-2017 by David K]

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2017 at 08:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Here is the Climbing Diablo Mountain web page: http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/devil.htm



Here is one of the maps. It shows that going down into the canyon to Campo Noche, and not staying up high using Pinnacle Ridge, is the route suggested:

[Edited on 6-28-2017 by David K]


Dk,
That's the tourist route. Based on where they were found, I think these people were doing a different route. Sounds like they are experienced hikers, familiar with area from what was said to be several or many prior trips.


[Edited on 6-28-2017 by mtgoat666]

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2017 at 09:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Goat, I posted the map so Nomads could see they were not using the standard route and could see where Pinnacle Ridge compared to the route through Campo Noche. Saying any route to the top of Diablo is a tourist route is not very accurate and borders on dangerous.

Experienced... perhaps? They required a rescue, did they not. They are not the only ones and many have not survived the Mountain of the Devil.
We are lucky that Desert Rat made it out alive. Ron has been hiking Baja and other places for many years and barely made it to the observatory road where Graham Mackintosh found him!


DK,
don't get your panties all in a bunch, "tourist route" is climbing lingo for the normal or easy route.

rts551 - 6-28-2017 at 11:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I don't think climbing Diablo is easy, maybe only if you are a 'mountain goat'? Calling those who have "tourists" borders on insulting, does it not?


David, Just stop. Wait until these people are rescued before hijacking the post.


<ast info the rescuers are within 600 meters of the hikers in heavy fog. Helo is grounded.

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2017 at 11:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I don't think climbing Diablo is easy, maybe only if you are a 'mountain goat'? Calling those who have "tourists" borders on insulting, does it not?


no. why would you be insulted being called a tourist? all of us are often tourists.

Maderita - 6-28-2017 at 11:47 AM

News from Civil Protection Wednesday morning. Translation by Google:

GOOD NEWS:
The rescuers have already made contact with the victims, the two girls are well and feel strong, the Lord feels a little weak, perhaps because of their diabetes.
The operation changed, from extraction to being a controlled supply, so they will be given water, food, VHF radio communication and a glucometer, to be thrown from the helicopter, as the area is not fit to perform A landing or rescue maneuvers in static flight.
The evacuation will be on foot, following the route taken by the rescuers. Everything indicates that it will go well, now they will remain calm since they are waiting for a walk of 8 hours or more.
Likewise, more elements will be approached on foot to the bottom of the canyon to re-supply and support with the backpacks of the victims and the rescuers.

willardguy - 6-28-2017 at 11:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Maderita  
News from Civil Protection Wednesday morning. Translation by Google:

GOOD NEWS:
The rescuers have already made contact with the victims, the two girls are well and feel strong, the Lord feels a little weak, perhaps because of their diabetes.
The operation changed, from extraction to being a controlled supply, so they will be given water, food, VHF radio communication and a glucometer, to be thrown from the helicopter, as the area is not fit to perform A landing or rescue maneuvers in static flight.
The evacuation will be on foot, following the route taken by the rescuers. Everything indicates that it will go well, now they will remain calm since they are waiting for a walk of 8 hours or more.
Likewise, more elements will be approached on foot to the bottom of the canyon to re-supply and support with the backpacks of the victims and the rescuers.


great news.....I came into this a little late, were the hikers lost or stranded in difficult terrain?

SFandH - 6-28-2017 at 12:24 PM

I don't think any details are known but probably one of them is injured or sick and unable to hike out.

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2017 at 12:29 PM

The helo dropped them water yesterday. The helo should have also dropped them a sat phone and laptop, so they could post answers here in this thread :light::light::light:

seriously, from the FB threads, it seems no one thought to drop a sat phone or radio :o:o:o wtf????

KurtG - 6-28-2017 at 12:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
The helo dropped them water yesterday. The helo should have also dropped them a sat phone and laptop, so they could post answers here in this thread :light::light::light:

seriously, from the FB threads, it seems no one thought to drop a sat phone or radio :o:o:o wtf????


Maderita's post says that they were or are being provided with VHF radio.

[Edited on 6-28-2017 by KurtG]

EnsenadaDr - 6-28-2017 at 08:08 PM

Why people hike in this weather when it is known to get over a 100 degrees is beyond me. Experienced or tourist, people need to realize especially a diabetic that a different time of year might be a better idea.

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2017 at 08:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr  
Why people hike in this weather when it is known to get over a 100 degrees is beyond me. Experienced or tourist, people need to realize especially a diabetic that a different time of year might be a better idea.


June is a great time on SPM, days are long, summer t-storms are still infrequent,... What makes you think the temp ever gets to 100 degrees at 8,000'+ elevation? I suspect the day time temp in past few weeks have been 85 or less. With today's cooling trend, probably 70s today.

BeemerDan - 6-28-2017 at 08:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
DK, again it's not about you, as usual. Yet another thread with a happy ending turning into pubered quibbling. Now back to the regular scheduled programming. Sheesh.


You seem a bit cranky, Maybe you should get medicated again, As Usual.

Better yet, why don't You, Ralph, and Chuckie get a motel room together and self medicate.
We'll let DK suggest the motel:lol:

DK's banter with the Goat regarding tourist route vs other routes was just conjecture, You three marooons on the other hand had to take upon yourselves to make it a DK bash party.

Here's to hoping the Fox famly make it home safe and sound.

mtgoat666 - 6-28-2017 at 08:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BeemerDan  
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
DK, again it's not about you, as usual. Yet another thread with a happy ending turning into pubered quibbling. Now back to the regular scheduled programming. Sheesh.


You seem a bit cranky, Maybe you should get medicated again, As Usual.

Better yet, why don't You, Ralph, and Chuckie get a motel room together and self medicate.
We'll let DK suggest the motel:lol:

DK's banter with the Goat regarding tourist route vs other routes was just conjecture, You three marooons on the other hand had to take upon yourselves to make it a DK bash party.

Here's to hoping the Fox famly make it home safe and sound.


Dk needs frequent piñata treatment to keep his head from exploding from swelling ego, hot air and misinformation. :lol:

EnsenadaDr - 6-28-2017 at 08:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr  
Why people hike in this weather when it is known to get over a 100 degrees is beyond me. Experienced or tourist, people need to realize especially a diabetic that a different time of year might be a better idea.


June is a great time on SPM, days are long, summer t-storms are still infrequent,... What makes you think the temp ever gets to 100 degrees at 8,000'+ elevation? I suspect the day time temp in past few weeks have been 85 or less. With today's cooling trend, probably 70s today.

Reference Bajatrailrider's post on this thread.

EnsenadaDr - 6-28-2017 at 09:22 PM

I still remember the Gary Patton thread and know how the heat can affect people, especially older individuals with chronic health problems. What are the SAR teams? It was too bad back when Gary got lost this was not available.

BeemerDan - 6-28-2017 at 09:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by BeemerDan  
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
DK, again it's not about you, as usual. Yet another thread with a happy ending turning into pubered quibbling. Now back to the regular scheduled programming. Sheesh.


You seem a bit cranky, Maybe you should get medicated again, As Usual.

Better yet, why don't You, Ralph, and Chuckie get a motel room together and self medicate.
We'll let DK suggest the motel:lol:

DK's banter with the Goat regarding tourist route vs other routes was just conjecture, You three marooons on the other hand had to take upon yourselves to make it a DK bash party.

Here's to hoping the Fox famly make it home safe and sound.


Dk needs frequent piñata treatment to keep his head from exploding from swelling ego, hot air and misinformation. :lol:


Thats funny coming from you Tom, Have you ever considered changing your username to Chipmunk666? Or just Alvin?

At least DK put up some maps, You the butinskie had your ass handed to you. Again.


bajabuddha - 6-28-2017 at 10:24 PM

Wotta thread........

Wotta great thread.......

WOTTA THREAD !

I LOVE HAPPY ENDINGS!!! :lol:

chuckie - 6-29-2017 at 05:34 AM

What a wonderful caring, thoughtful, sharing person DK is! We should all strive to be more like him!

TMW - 6-29-2017 at 08:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr  
I still remember the Gary Patton thread and know how the heat can affect people, especially older individuals with chronic health problems. What are the SAR teams? It was too bad back when Gary got lost this was not available.


SAR is Search And Rescue teams. It was probably available back then but because no one knew for sure where Gary was they wouldn't know where to look except a very large area of Baja. By the time his car was found it had been several months and due to the circumstances it was more a police matter. In this case people knew where they were going and when to expect them back and when they were overdue help was asked for.

People did pass out flyers and ask about Gary over a large area from San Quintin to LA Bay.

mtgoat666 - 6-29-2017 at 02:17 PM

The drama on talk baja is quite entertaining, and the story is shaping up to have a happy ending. But based on the comments it seems like every arm chair savant thinks only young and experts should be allowed to venture out on a hike. I imagine most such critical comments come from people with little experience adventuring and BMIs over 30 :o

Maderita - 6-29-2017 at 06:25 PM

Just got the news 6:15 PM Thursday:
The Fox family (father and 2 daughters arrived at the command post at Vallecitos SSPM. All in good health.
What a long epic rescue effort, deep in the most difficult terrain!

elgatoloco - 6-29-2017 at 10:19 PM

:cool:

JoeJustJoe - 6-30-2017 at 08:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
The drama on talk baja is quite entertaining, and the story is shaping up to have a happy ending. But based on the comments it seems like every arm chair savant thinks only young and experts should be allowed to venture out on a hike. I imagine most such critical comments come from people with little experience adventuring and BMIs over 30 :o


Yeah, great rescue, and everybody loves a happy ending, but at the same time, I was rolling my eyes at some of the comments especially at Facebook, like a couple here:

"Thank you to all involved in bringing back Morgan and the girls! We are so grateful!"

"I'm crying. Thank you for sharing"

I bet some of the comments are coming from people who didn't even know the 3 hikers, but hey they are white Americans, so lets over do the worry, the waiting, and the exhilaration when they are found. Meanwhile, Mexican nationals probably go missing in the same area from time to time, and we probably never hear about that.

They even coined a term for this phenomena, called the "Missing White Woman Syndrome" although the father's involvement probably put a damper on how popular this event could have been in the media.

Missing White Woman Syndrome

The term Missing White Woman Syndrome describes the fact that Western media will focus on the murder, kidnapping, or disappearance of Caucasian females—usually pretty, young, and middle- or upper-class—to the exclusion of male, minority, poor, or disabled missing persons.

Also meanwhile all the Mexicans rescuers coordinated agencies success response, barely gets a byline in the press and social media. ( I was watching the local TV news talk about this missing hiking story)

mtgoat666 - 6-30-2017 at 09:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
The drama on talk baja is quite entertaining, and the story is shaping up to have a happy ending. But based on the comments it seems like every arm chair savant thinks only young and experts should be allowed to venture out on a hike. I imagine most such critical comments come from people with little experience adventuring and BMIs over 30 :o


Yeah, great rescue, and everybody loves a happy ending, but at the same time, I was rolling my eyes at some of the comments especially at Facebook, like a couple here:

"Thank you to all involved in bringing back Morgan and the girls! We are so grateful!"

"I'm crying. Thank you for sharing"

I bet some of the comments are coming from people who didn't even know the 3 hikers, but hey they are white Americans, so lets over do the worry, the waiting, and the exhilaration when they are found. Meanwhile, Mexican nationals probably go missing in the same area from time to time, and we probably never hear about that.

They even coined a term for this phenomena, called the "Missing White Woman Syndrome" although the father's involvement probably put a damper on how popular this event could have been in the media.

Missing White Woman Syndrome

The term Missing White Woman Syndrome describes the fact that Western media will focus on the murder, kidnapping, or disappearance of Caucasian females—usually pretty, young, and middle- or upper-class—to the exclusion of male, minority, poor, or disabled missing persons.

Also meanwhile all the Mexicans rescuers coordinated agencies success response, barely gets a byline in the press and social media. ( I was watching the local TV news talk about this missing hiking story)


joey,
don't be a party-pooper and fart up the place! the only differences here were (1) THE LOST WERE FOUND ALIVE, AND (2) THE RESCUE DRAMA PLAYED OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA in almost real-time. In the past these stories usually were not covered online in real-time, and the victims are usually found dead :(
i was surprised at the speed at which pics things were posted to FB. They must have had a sat internet link, or perhaps were running pics back to an internet cxn at the observatory.
I like how the govt posted pics frequently, nice touch, and probably a good way to get some good PR which never hurts :)

p.s. if you are jealous of missing white woman syndrome, just go out in drag and white-face and get lost! :lol::lol::lol: :P:P

[Edited on 6-30-2017 by mtgoat666]

chuckie - 6-30-2017 at 10:16 AM

Drag and whiteface is normal for Jay Ezadine Salman...

Desert Rat - 7-12-2017 at 02:26 AM

The Fox family interview can be seen on Facebook. If you are interested in seeing it, go to the page for "Picacho del Diablo, B.C and scroll down until you see Rogelio Serrano's interview. Morgan and the girls go into detail as to how they lost the way.

[Edited on 7-13-2017 by Desert Rat]

chuckie - 7-12-2017 at 03:16 AM

Thanks...interesting...

Don Jorge - 7-12-2017 at 07:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Desert Rat  
Morgan and the girls go into detail as to how they lost their way.

As anyone who has been up there knows, losing "the" way is as easy as following ducks in a row, just the wrong ones sometimes. They knew it, did the right thing and Baja SAR rocked it.

Good to know that the Baja SAR team for that area is so very competent.

Happy ending and a reminder of why one should consider buying or renting a Sat phone or Sat messaging device.

We never do anything stupid without one.:bounce: