BajaNomad - Gunmen kill 3 on Baja Sur beach

Hey, I am going there today and wondered if I need a kevlar vest or not??

Probably not. Just don´t plop your towel down next to anyone with an ak 74 :light:

[Edited on 8-7-2017 by chippy]

mtgoat666 - 8-7-2017 at 07:27 AM

So, where the victims innocent citizens or tourists, or (as is most common) in the drug business or law-enforcement?

It was daytime on a popular (tourist) beach when the bullets started flying.

Tourists should be worried.

SFandH - 8-7-2017 at 08:01 AM

It's odd that none of the reports I've read, English and Spanish, say anything about the victims except three men relaxing under a palm tree dead and two others, man and woman, wounded. Here's some video, doesn't show much but you can hear the gunfire, lots of it.

https://news.google.com/news/video/sPGPEwnHjzw/dy6gGeO7qC-oo...

[Edited on 8-7-2017 by SFandH]

BornFisher - 8-7-2017 at 08:10 AM

That`s horrible. Those guys were sitting ducks!!

mtgoat666 - 8-7-2017 at 08:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher

That`s horrible. Those guys were sitting ducks!!

But they werent tourist ducks, so all is peace, love and fish tacos! Got baja? Got a concealed weapon?

bajabuddha - 8-7-2017 at 08:29 AM

... it IS horrible...

Ever seen anyone shot to pieces in front of you? I don't care if it was a cartel hit on each other or not... the beach was crowded with innocent tourists screaming and running for cover.

You don't have to get hit with a bullet to take home everlasting scars. :smug:

David K - 8-7-2017 at 09:09 AM

Yep, not what we go to Baja for!

Lee - 8-7-2017 at 10:03 AM

Didn't sound like an AK. Still, an AK can fire 30 rounds in about 3 seconds -- a kevlar vest is useless, DK.

Pamilla is a nice beach. This was a hit -- innocent tourists have nothing to worry about. I'm not worried. I'm innocent, mostly.

Whale-ista - 8-7-2017 at 10:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck

Just saw this.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-killed-mexico-cabos-beach-s...

For those who don't want to read the entire report, here's the summary/conclusion:
"More than 230 people have been murdered in Los Cabos alone so far this year.

"More than 186,000 people have been murdered and another 30,000 have gone missing in Mexico since 2006, when the government deployed the military to fight organized crime.

"Experts say the capture of the top drug cartel leaders has spawned numerous independent criminal groups that have moved beyond drug trafficking into robbery, kidnapping and extortion in areas they control."

SFandH - 8-7-2017 at 10:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Pamilla is a nice beach. This was a hit -- innocent tourists have nothing to worry about.

Oh, come on, automatic gun fire killing three and wounding two on the beach at a resort full of tourists on a Sunday afternoon.

Naw, no worries, they're not after you. You may witness some bad guys getting blown apart at the palm tree next to you but bar service will restart in 20 minutes, as soon as the corpses are dragged away.

[Edited on 8-7-2017 by SFandH]

willardguy - 8-7-2017 at 10:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck

Just saw this.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-killed-mexico-cabos-beach-s...

wow, read some of the over 700 reactions to that story, there's some serious mexico haters out there!

SFandH - 8-7-2017 at 11:03 AM

Kill your competitors and do it in a manner that will make international news and harm tourism, so the cops / gov officials back off.

I wonder if this will be on the national TV news shows tonight.

[Edited on 8-7-2017 by SFandH]

windgrrl - 8-7-2017 at 12:07 PM

Here is a link to a Brietbart article with video and sound effects:

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/08/07/watch-cartel-gunme...

It is surprising to learn this happened at Palmilla...location is near an exclusive enclave for the elite. A lot of the killing occurs in the Mexican neighbourhoods, with bodies frequently dumped near the El Tule surf area.

According to replies,on local media sources, Mexicans are worried about their safety and the impact on tourism the killings are having (236 this year to date, with 11 this weekend. Some identify the current government as the cause, others parenting. FB Sources: Zona Roja BCS, Collectivo Pericu.

chuckie - 8-7-2017 at 12:25 PM

Well, there were 11 killings in that area over the weekend, and only two tourists were shot...Pretty small percentage.I wouldn't worry about it..And I don't think they were killed, just wounded...

[Edited on 8-7-2017 by chuckie]

AKgringo - 8-7-2017 at 12:35 PM

Just two tourists? It must be very comforting to them to realize they were not targets, just collateral damage!

chuckie - 8-7-2017 at 12:37 PM

They likely weren't even American tourists, so no big deal, eh? No worries...

JoeJustJoe - 8-7-2017 at 12:45 PM

Interesting a shooting takes place in Playa Palmilla, San Jose del Cabo, in a public beach, anybody has access to, and the Yahoo, story, makes it appears the shooting happened in Los Cabos, next to all the tourists and the cruise ships.

Now the fear mongers, are out in force on "Baja Nomad" and on Baja Social media sites, just loving it and saying things like, " Mexico is DANGEROUS, I told you so, and now full panic has set in with some Americans, but mostly with those who never actually live or travel to Mexico/Baja.

Yawn, this is not really big news, as this area of Baja has been having an increase in violence and shootings for a couple of years now. However, the US State Department, has not issued the "full panic" alert yet, and only says to exercise caution in the area, and specifically mentioned La Paz..

None of the articles on this tragic incident mentioned anything specific about the 5 victims, which three of them died, although some readers are trying to spin it as if the victims were innocent people enjoying the day at the park.

If I were a betting man, I would bet some of the victims, were involved in the drug trade, and this was a planned hit on at least a few of the victims.

The drug cartels, are not known for random killings, although some have taken place, as well as some collateral damage. Mexico, is also not known for random mass killings in a public place, like what take place in the USA all the time with gun happy nut-jobs.

This is a very misleading photo:

[Edited on 8-7-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

mtgoat666 - 8-7-2017 at 12:49 PM

The cartel gun slingers are very good shots so stray bullets are not a concern! DK says so!

mtgoat666 - 8-7-2017 at 12:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by windgrrl

Here is a link to a Brietbart article with video and sound effects:

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/08/07/watch-cartel-gunme...

It is surprising to learn this happened at Palmilla...location is near an exclusive enclave for the elite. A lot of the killing occurs in the Mexican neighbourhoods, with bodies frequently dumped near the El Tule surf area.

According to replies,on local media sources, Mexicans are worried about their safety and the impact on tourism the killings are having (236 this year to date, with 11 this weekend. Some identify the current government as the cause, others parenting. FB Sources: Zona Roja BCS, Collectivo Pericu.

Breitbart is a white nationalist (and anti-mexico) media outlet, so possibly not the best source of neutral unbiased reporting on this matter. Just saying!

Lee - 8-7-2017 at 01:08 PM

Hey I don't hang at the Pamilla -- and no I don't worry.

These guys probably had it coming. Nothing is random down here.

Isn't it time for someone to question the value of gringo real estate plummeting? Anyone?

Play with the bull, you might get the horn. Como no?

windgrrl - 8-7-2017 at 01:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by windgrrl

Breitbart is a white nationalist (and anti-mexico) media outlet, so possibly not the best source of neutral unbiased reporting on this matter. Just saying!

Of course Brietbart is what it is - one should be well-read, though, shouldn't one. Is anyone really surprised anymore to learn that media outlets are biased?

woody with a view - 8-7-2017 at 01:29 PM

People die daily, tourists and locals alike, all over the world. Same as it ever was!

BajaGlenn - 8-7-2017 at 01:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

Just two tourists? It must be very comforting to them to realize they were not targets, just collateral damage!

Unless you happen to be one of the two or their relatives?? :no:

chuckie - 8-7-2017 at 01:41 PM

If you don't own any real estate, why worry about it? And like Woody sez, just business as usual...Couple tourists here and there?..meh

AKgringo - 8-7-2017 at 01:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGlenn

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

Just two tourists? It must be very comforting to them to realize they were not targets, just collateral damage!

Unless you happen to be one of the two or their relatives?? :no:

Sarcasm was intended in my post! Your statement is in line with my intended message.

SFandH - 8-7-2017 at 01:45 PM

People die daily, tourists and locals alike, all over the world. Same as it ever was!

You think people murdered with automatic weapons at a beachfront resort on a Sunday afternoon is the "same as it ever was"?

I know you're not, but ya gotta be kidding me. This is way beyond normal.

If I were a guy with a family I would definitely not take them to Cabo anymore. It would be irresponsible.

[Edited on 8-7-2017 by SFandH]

chuckie - 8-7-2017 at 01:51 PM

Yeah but Lee said they weren't using AK's...so ....

JoeJustJoe - 8-7-2017 at 02:21 PM

Chuckie, give it a rest, you already made six posts in this thread.

Didn't you already scare enough people from visiting Cabo, where this shooting didn't take place?

Give some other members a chance to post in this thread.

Oh Chuckie, you are often hyping another Baja site that's on Facebook.

Did you know that site you often hype was covering was this same story, but now the whole thread disappeared under the violation or guise of the house rules of not posting gory images, and somebody there posted a Mexican article, with gory images of the three victims being shot! US media outlets normally, don't post gory images either, but instead post related stuff without the gory photos.

Now I could understand, not wanting gory photos of dead people on your Facebook group, but I wonder why the whole thread was erased, when they could have simply just deleted the offending photo, and article, and just used another article from US sources that don't show gory photos? ( that site was drawing heavy interest mostly to the negative, then suddenly it was gone!)

I can't wait to hear your outrage Chuckie, over what that Baja Facebook site did.

Lets just say, I found it very interesting they threw out the baby with the bathwater.

Of course, if Chuckie answers, it will make 7 posts from Chuckie in one thread.

You can find the gory photo and article at " BCS Noticias. Mx."

.

[Edited on 8-7-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

chippy - 8-7-2017 at 02:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Didn't sound like an AK. Still, an AK can fire 30 rounds in about 3 seconds -- a kevlar vest is useless, DK.

Pamilla is a nice beach. This was a hit -- innocent tourists have nothing to worry about. I'm not worried. I'm innocent, mostly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2CUSVZRiNY

You are right about the ak47. Perhaps the ak74?

bajabuddha - 8-7-2017 at 04:18 PM

Doesn't matter AK or not... a bullet iz a bullet, and DEAD IZ DEAD.

chuckie - 8-7-2017 at 04:19 PM

You know dat. and I know dat...

woody with a view - 8-7-2017 at 06:35 PM

People die daily, tourists and locals alike, all over the world. Same as it ever was!

I said people die daily. Quit reading your personal biases into it. Ricocheting bullets, starvation, genocide, or just plain poor luck. I bet those tourist police in the picture are hard at work tracking down the bad guys. Sleep well knowing that!

Edit: grammar

[Edited on 8-8-2017 by woody with a view]

Tres Rios - 8-7-2017 at 07:33 PM

Judging from the pictures on BCS noticias site I would say that these gentlemen are not your regular tourists in shorts, flip flops and t-shirts....

David K - 8-7-2017 at 08:08 PM

Traffic was 'murder' today in Los Cabos, nothing else could possibly indicate the tragic event. No police road blocks, nada.

Just that traffic was insane today in Cabo San Lucas and not much better in San José del Cabo! I thought August was their slow season?

gnukid - 8-7-2017 at 09:21 PM

You can read a change in nomad's posts, they are increasingly accepting of gun shots heard, neighborhood murders and of the failure of responsibility.

It's true that murders in Mexico are different from random USA murders, they are targeted, timed, demonstrative, the police are never there during the incident and always arrive 5-10 minutes later and then reporters too live broadcast to publicize the incident that is most often never resolved.

If you follow Mexico crime, it appears to be precisely orchestrated, unlike USA crime which is incidental. Something is very suspicious about the increasingly visible high crime in Baja, to the degree it is highly orchestrated, precise, public and never resolved. Most likely it is black ops, USA CIA run destabilization to both control contraband routes and to maintain a destabilizing force to reduce the power of people who object to the drug, money laundering, arms arm and overall corruption well documented under Obama n Holder's Merida funding of Fast n Furious and ATF Gunwalking.

Nomad's are clearly in denial of the massive threat of the USA's involvement in destabilization of Mexico and in particular of the destabilization of Baja where dead bodies line the roads and resorts while we go surfing and dune bugging???

How many shots do I have to hear each day and dead bodies to see before I change my idea about baja? Do I need to shoot back or what happens if do, then what? Why do I need to even be worried about massive arms, drugs, murders and dead bodies every day? Do we need to be bombing the middle east and destabilizing Latin America for profit? Why? who benefits, who funds, supports and allows the terror?

[Edited on 8-8-2017 by gnukid]

David K - 8-7-2017 at 09:30 PM

So, what happens in Chicago the past many years is not included in your stats?

gnukid - 8-7-2017 at 09:34 PM

Clearly the murders in Baja are highly orchestrated and well broadcasted and coordinated to the degree that it is not "gang" violence, it is precise military execution to cause political change not unlike any other effort the USA has made in the middleast. This is likely USA CIA military exercise run from top down to destabilize Mexico for profit.

As Nomads it's important to religiously deny the risk of USA involvement in mexico violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gunrunner

http://www.latimes.com/nation/atf-fast-furious-sg-storygalle...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_traffi...

http://www.disclose.tv/news/two_cia_agents_arrested_by_minut...

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/07/2012721152...

https://news.vice.com/article/drug-trafficking-meth-cocaine-...

http://anonhq.com/cia-jet-crashed-4-tons-cocaine-board/

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/2007_Yucatan_Gulfstream_drug_cra...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/04/air-cocaine-the-wild...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/gary-webb-dark-alli...

https://www.corbettreport.com/the-cia-and-the-drug-trade/

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/03/opinion/03iht-edlarry.html

http://www.madcowprod.com/2012/08/09/investigation-arrest-4-...

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/racecar-drivers-don-and-bi...

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/index.html

[Edited on 8-8-2017 by gnukid]

David K - 8-7-2017 at 09:44 PM

The CIA is a for profit organization? What is it they are marketing?

LancairDriver - 8-7-2017 at 10:09 PM

The CIA is a for profit organization? What is it they are marketing? [/

Guns and drugs. Goes way back. Ever heard of Iran Contra? Profit centers include Guns and heavy weapons to various "insurgents" ie; Al Queda, ISIS, etc. who are necessary to carry on the endless wars in the Middle East and overthrow governments there. CIA has been connected to heroin out of Afghanistan, and of course Cocaine out of Columbia and Central America. There has been a lot of this information coming from retired CIA people. CIA budget is top secret here in the US.

chuckie - 8-8-2017 at 04:04 AM

CIA Budget for 2017 is 12.82 Billion, up a tick from 2016, but way down from 2012 at 15.33 Billion..

Lee - 8-8-2017 at 12:00 PM

ATF ''lost'' 1,400 weapons (rifles, rocket launchers, anti-aircraft machine guns -- google Op Fast & Furious) to Mexico.

Wonder how many ''suppressors'' were lost. (Read most weapons went to sinaloa.)

Bet 2 of those weapons were used in BCS. Someone on Obama's watch dropped the ball.

JoeJustJoe - 8-8-2017 at 12:39 PM

I'm just wondering why Alex Jones, "Infowars," isn't also quoted?

Damn that evil deep state that is still smarting that Hillary Clinton, wasn't elected.

I'm been hearing this same stuff for years, and some of it is true like the CIA, trafficking drugs to pay for their secret operations, but other claims you hear, can't be proven, no matter how many links you put up.

Did you hear the one about "Plan Mexico?" Where money isn't only provided to Mexico, to fight the drug cartels, but to keep the natives in line if they get restless. It's just another half-truth, that's impossible to prove.

My personal feelings is the people in power, and the deep state, aren't smart enough to pull off half the things the links claim below.

It's just mostly pure chaos, and reacting to the chaos.

"Fast and Furious," if you ask me, it had good intentions that ran amok, and should have been shut down after the first week in operation.

For years, we know most of the weapons, used by the Mexican cartels, were coming from US gun dealers, but the GOP, tea-party, and ultra conservatives in the US, were denying that claim. Oh no, they said, the guns were coming from Russia, China, and other Latin America countries, but not the USA.

At the very least "Fast and Furious" proved what most of us knew all along, that most of the heavy duty weapons, used by the Mexican drug cartels, were coming from close by gun happy America.

So the USA has an insatiable appetite for illegal drugs, and the USA provides most of the weapons used by the Mexican drug cartels, and the US and it's American citizens, have the nerve to point fingers at Mexico, to clean up it's act!

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Clearly the murders in Baja are highly orchestrated and well broadcasted and coordinated to the degree that it is not "gang" violence, it is precise military execution to cause political change not unlike any other effort the USA has made in the middleast. This is likely USA CIA military exercise run from top down to destabilize Mexico for profit.

As Nomads it's important to religiously deny the risk of USA involvement in mexico violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gunrunner

http://www.latimes.com/nation/atf-fast-furious-sg-storygalle...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_traffi...

http://www.disclose.tv/news/two_cia_agents_arrested_by_minut...

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/07/2012721152...

https://news.vice.com/article/drug-trafficking-meth-cocaine-...

http://anonhq.com/cia-jet-crashed-4-tons-cocaine-board/

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/2007_Yucatan_Gulfstream_drug_cra...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/04/air-cocaine-the-wild...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/gary-webb-dark-alli...

https://www.corbettreport.com/the-cia-and-the-drug-trade/

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/03/opinion/03iht-edlarry.html

http://www.madcowprod.com/2012/08/09/investigation-arrest-4-...

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/racecar-drivers-don-and-bi...

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/index.html

[Edited on 8-8-2017 by gnukid]

chuckie - 8-8-2017 at 02:55 PM

Yeah! Anyway! Wassa mattuh wid you...

SFandH - 8-8-2017 at 03:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

Yeah! Anyway! Wassa mattuh wid you...

You mean,

Wassa mattuh for you?

please speak correctly

chuckie - 8-8-2017 at 03:04 PM

That's what I meant, tipografical error..

woody with a view - 8-8-2017 at 03:11 PM

Ahem, whatsa matta you?

chuckie - 8-8-2017 at 03:13 PM

My "goombah" slipped...

motoged - 8-8-2017 at 03:26 PM

The CIA is a for profit organization? What is it they are marketing?

As said....watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE

chuckie - 8-8-2017 at 03:30 PM

Well, he's not a Canadian, like you, sweetheart...I LOVE you baby..Why are you all of sudden on this racist kick?...???

motoged - 8-8-2017 at 07:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

Well, he's not a Canadian, like you, sweetheart...I LOVE you baby..Why are you all of sudden on this racist kick?...???

Not all of a sudden...I realized it was just wrong when I was six years old...and have challenged others on it on BN whenever I saw/see it :saint:

gnukid - 8-9-2017 at 08:37 AM

So once more sicarios, minors, toting high power weapons, driving in cars without license plates and with dark polarized windows drove through the corridor, into the entrance to Palmira, parked, walked through the walkways to shoot multiple people while being filmed from various directions, then walked back to the car and exited Palmira and the corridor all the while never identified or apprehended.

If anyone believes that is possible without the 100% cooperation and complicity of a large number of security forces then your are in serious denial.

One vehicle parked in the road or entrance could have stopped them. One police officer could have disabled the vehicle and stopped them.

It's absolutely apparent that there is broad cooperation both locally and nationally to coordinate and allow these incidents.

One the one hand they could be faked, that is the bodies are staged with gory makeup or dummies to create fear or it could be real to create fear. Either way this is way too organized to be random and gang cartel only, it is highly organized and coordinated top down, with highly trained and coordinated activity.

SFandH - 8-9-2017 at 08:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

It's absolutely apparent that there is broad cooperation both locally and nationally to coordinate and allow these incidents.

Plata o plomo? Silver or lead?

If you were offered the deal to either cooperate and take some money or we'll kill you and your family, what would you do?

gnukid - 8-9-2017 at 09:11 AM

When a hurricane is coming you have multiple choices. When a dam breaks you have choices. When confronted to cooperate or we kill you you have choices.

People have always had the option to leave. move away, you don't need to stay in a flood zone and lament the flood or sit in your flooded house and cry. You can simply get up and go, there is no need to cooperate and to do so will certain bring a shortened life and one that is not worth living.

First off, never engage in any way with people who have compromised ethics and morals and that includes most politicians, cartel gang members and any secretive military forces.

Point is this should be obvious. USA and Mexico are compromised in a big way by secretive military and political forces and it is obvious up close or at a distance. IF people didn't cooperate the whole mess would be be done, but far too many justify cooperating as a way of life-not worth living.

[Edited on 8-9-2017 by gnukid]

JoeJustJoe - 8-9-2017 at 09:19 AM

People die daily, tourists and locals alike, all over the world. Same as it ever was!

Really, are you going to go into full panic over an obvious hit job of those probably involved in the drug trade?

There just isn't too many random mass shootings in Mexico, or shootings with automatic weapons, so the odds are very very high this was a planned hit of those in the drug trade.

There was a baby or child with one of the woman victims, who was untouched despite the facts automatic weapons were being used.

While you stay home SFandH, with your imaginary family and protecting them from irresponsible dangers.

I expect Mexico tourism to have another exceptional banner year, and Cabo San Lucas, to remain the #1 tourist destination on the west coast of Mexico.

DENNIS - 8-9-2017 at 01:19 PM

Hello....
AIN'T....you stooped ***stiks.
Gudbye

now i'll go wash the sewage off my feet.

woody with a view - 8-9-2017 at 03:11 PM

Four pages of trying to prove dick size? Good luck until someone breaks out the magnifying glass!

chuckie - 8-9-2017 at 04:37 PM

You in Woody?

woody with a view - 8-9-2017 at 06:25 PM

Eight soft.

Gscott - 8-9-2017 at 07:56 PM

And I thought Mexico was a Gun Free Zone..

willardguy - 8-9-2017 at 10:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS

Hello....
AIN'T....you stooped ***stiks.
Gudbye

now i'll go wash the sewage off my feet.

boom! right out of retirement.... :rolleyes:

Boulder bob222 - 8-11-2017 at 08:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

People die daily, tourists and locals alike, all over the world. Same as it ever was!

And you people still can't figure out who joehole really is? :no:

Lee - 8-11-2017 at 09:03 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Boulder bob222

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe