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MANEADERO....BEWARE

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 10-19-2017 at 01:01 PM

hOLA, **** BEWARE ****

POSTED TODAY ON BAJAPONYEXPRESS **** MANEADERO ****

JUST FORWARDING INFORMATION....BIEN SALUD, DA RAT

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Police Scam Alert in Maneadero. It goes like this. The official police vehicle puts on the lights and pulls you over. After you pull off the road that vehicle leaves and two fake cops come up to your vehicle. (We didn’t figure right away that they were fake cops) One was on a quad and one on a dirt bike. One was wearing a bavaclava (covers up the face) and both are wearing motorcycle helmets. So you can’t see their hair or face. Just their eyes. They told us that we ran a red light. (Which we absolutely did not). Using a translator app on their phone they show you it in English. We argued with them that we did not run the light. And asked to go to the police station. They said it was 22 kilometers away. We kept telling them this is total BS. We did not run the red light. They took our license and registration and finally said for us to follow them back to the officer that says we ran the light. We drive back a few blocks and that police vehicle is there. He tells my husband that we ran a red light. Hubs says there is no way we ran it. Then the cop changes his story to say it was yellow when we went thru. Finally the fake cops say for us to drive a head. We end up at a building about 1/2 mile or so away. My husband goes in there with these guys and I sit in the car. He’s in the for quite awhile arguing with them. He asked them why they didn’t have badges and said he was going to report them etc. They are talking on two way radios to the original cop I think. They are saying we owe them 2,500 pesos for the tickets etc etc. They finally get so mad at my husband that they tell him they are going to lock up our truck and take the keys. He comes out of there with them pretty shook up. Tells me to go in the trailer and get the 2,500 pesos now. One of the cops motions to me for the keys and I told him no freaking way. I take all the keys with me to the trailer. Get the pesos. Give them to my husband who then goes back in to pay them. Then I think to take a picture of the stinking building which I will post below So I get out of the truck and take one picture. Get back in the truck and decide to take one more. So I get out again and take another picture. Right after that they suddenly tell my husband to just go. They hand him back the drivers license and registration and said take the money and go. All the while they are talking to someone on the two way radios which we assume is real cop. They didn’t take any of the money. Soooooooo folks. My conclusion is. Start taking pictures right away. There is no way they can stop you from doing that. If we had we might not have been harassed as much. I think they saw a new truck and camp trailer and saw dollar signs. Most people probably just pay them on the side of the road and go on their way. In the meantime as we are leaving we see the cop car pulling over someone else. Just be aware.

David K - 10-19-2017 at 01:11 PM

Bum deal!
I went through Maneadero twice in the past 10 days... in the afternoon on Tuesday and around midday Sunday... NO problems. Traffic is so heavy, it would be hard to pick you out as doing something different as the other cars alongside you.

bajaguy - 10-19-2017 at 01:15 PM

This has been beat to death on the Punta Banda facebook page

sancho - 10-19-2017 at 01:36 PM

The 'let's go to the station' tactic may work for the seasoned Baja traveler, but for the casual, inexperienced visitor, a verbal
confrontation with fake or real cops can be unnerving, with the
threat of vehicle impoundment, etc., so they rule thru intimidation. One has to be quite confident, equipped with
enough Spanish to fend off these thiefs

bajaguy - 10-19-2017 at 01:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sancho  
The 'let's go to the station' tactic may work for the seasoned Baja traveler, but for the casual, inexperienced visitor, a verbal
confrontation with fake or real cops can be unnerving, with the
threat of vehicle impoundment, etc., so they rule thru intimidation. One has to be quite confident, equipped with
enough Spanish to fend off these thiefs





And a dash cam

DanO - 10-19-2017 at 02:16 PM

Not to mention the window tinting issue. :cool:

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 10-19-2017 at 02:23 PM

Hola bajaguy,

" This has been beat to death on the Punta Banda facebook page ".

sorry, we don't do facebook and many other sites as it takes too much time.

i think even duplicating other sites posts that others may not see may be helpful to others like us.

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT

BajaBlanca - 10-19-2017 at 02:29 PM

I was amazed at how insistent the cops were.

Even speaking Spanish, I am totally intimidated. Knowing the scam sure helps.

bajaguy - 10-19-2017 at 05:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DanO  
Not to mention the window tinting issue. :cool:





Or the surfboard overhang issue

Or the dogs not being restrained issue

BajaTed - 10-19-2017 at 08:53 PM

Always keep and carry in Baja your last expired Drivers License for these kinda of situations.
Ask the cops if they are married, don't let up till they answer.
Tell them you will rat them out to the local Sindictura.
Remind them of their wife again and how they are going to loose their job along with getting beaten by the wife.
Worked well for me:biggrin:

aguachico - 10-20-2017 at 05:23 AM

Un rata con dos patas.

rts551 - 10-20-2017 at 06:46 AM

This was checked out with the municipal police chief. Turns out these are legit cops. BEWARE of posts on the internet.

BajaMama - 10-20-2017 at 06:59 AM

I also passed through, southbound on October 4 and Northbound on October 16. I had a heads up so I made sure I came to absolute stop each time. No problems.

dash cam

bajaguy - 10-20-2017 at 07:01 AM

https://www.amazon.com/TOGUARD-Dashboard-Recorder-Detection-...

bajaguy - 10-20-2017 at 07:03 AM

And in this instance not displaying any identification (badges/names), faces covered by balaclavas and demanding money on the street
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
This was checked out with the municipal police chief. Turns out these are legit cops. BEWARE of posts on the internet.

bajatrailrider - 10-20-2017 at 08:29 AM

Best to hide your money only carry 200 pesos in wallet.

Udo - 10-20-2017 at 09:40 AM

I usually drive through Maneadero 3-5 times a week. I have seen the "cops" riding the quad and off-road bike. I have never been pulled over by any of them.
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Bum deal!
I went through Maneadero twice in the past 10 days... in the afternoon on Tuesday and around midday Sunday... NO problems. Traffic is so heavy, it would be hard to pick you out as doing something different as the other cars alongside you.

rts551 - 10-20-2017 at 10:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
And in this instance not displaying any identification (badges/names), faces covered by balaclavas and demanding money on the street


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
This was checked out with the municipal police chief. Turns out these are legit cops. BEWARE of posts on the internet.


So it was posted on the internet...therefore it must be true... Police Chief is investigating.

bajaguy - 10-20-2017 at 10:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
So it was posted on the internet...therefore it must be true... Police Chief is investigating.





He might have his hands full today with 8 bodies scattered around town

mtgoat666 - 10-20-2017 at 11:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
So it was posted on the internet...therefore it must be true... Police Chief is investigating.


He might have his hands full today with 8 bodies scattered around town


in cabo or TJ that's a slow day!

El Jefe - 10-20-2017 at 04:58 PM

Two days ago we got shaken down by federal highway police just outside of Guerero Negro south bound. The posted speed limit is 80KPH or 50 MPH. We we going 65mph, a slow pace for that straight desert road considering all the other traffic. So, yep we were guilty. We had a long spirited discussion (I've been down this road before) with me hoping I could talk out of this on. Not a chance. In fact when I asked for a ticket he said sure but they would call a tow truck to take our car back to Guerero where we could pay the fine and the tow fee. They were demanding $4,300 pesos. Even showed me a chart with the fines for various infractions. I ended up talking them down to 2,000 pesos which I paid to the cop. I've tried over the years to be firm with these guys and sometimes it works. This time I felt they had the advantage (two cops, two cars).

Moral of this story is if you want to drive down here with their ridiculous speed limits, either drive very slowly and have most of the traffic wiz by you or be prepared to pay the piper.

Note; On a dark night I probably would drive that road at 50mph. Broad daylight is another story.


[Edited on 10-20-2017 by El Jefe]

David K - 10-20-2017 at 05:17 PM

Hey Tom, almost the same story just a dozen miles north of El Rosario, last week for me. I was maybe doing near 65 in an 80 kph zone, which is slowish for me, but I wasn't in a big rush. Two cop cars, but one left as I was stopped, so it was just one (Juan). Details in my new trip report... no $$$, just a bottle of cold water!

dtbushpilot - 10-20-2017 at 06:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
And in this instance not displaying any identification (badges/names), faces covered by balaclavas and demanding money on the street


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
This was checked out with the municipal police chief. Turns out these are legit cops. BEWARE of posts on the internet.


So it was posted on the internet...therefore it must be true... Police Chief is investigating.




The people who experienced this are close friends of mine. The story is legit. Please refrain from questioning their integrity.

[Edited on 10-21-2017 by dtbushpilot]

[Edited on 10-23-2017 by BajaNomad]

rts551 - 10-21-2017 at 06:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
And in this instance not displaying any identification (badges/names), faces covered by balaclavas and demanding money on the street


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
This was checked out with the municipal police chief. Turns out these are legit cops. BEWARE of posts on the internet.


So it was posted on the internet...therefore it must be true... Police Chief is investigating.



The people who experienced this are close friends of mine. The story is legit. Please refrain from questioning their integrity.

[Edited on 10-21-2017 by dtbushpilot]


I don't know them and the post does not carry any credentials...why should I believe what is essentially an anon post. Please refrain from believing anon posts.






[Edited on 10-23-2017 by BajaNomad]

cliffh - 10-21-2017 at 07:08 AM

To rts551 looks like post from anon. I was involved through messaging at time of incident in Maneadero, they just left Estero RV park. It was totally legit. They were both really upset at the time. Just rolled into Maranatha Rv Park La Paz for a couple of days. Side note road just north of Catavina to bay of LA worst since road opened in 70's. Pulling 5th wheel. Cliff

sancho - 10-21-2017 at 11:35 AM

Don't understand why some disbelieve posts because they are
not 1st hand, vetted, authoritative. There would be nothing here if that was a requirement, besides what motive would one
have to make an account like that up

dtbushpilot - 10-21-2017 at 12:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
And in this instance not displaying any identification (badges/names), faces covered by balaclavas and demanding money on the street


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
This was checked out with the municipal police chief. Turns out these are legit cops. BEWARE of posts on the internet.


So it was posted on the internet...therefore it must be true... Police Chief is investigating.



The people who experienced this are close friends of mine. The story is legit. Please refrain from questioning their integrity.

[Edited on 10-21-2017 by dtbushpilot]


I don't know them and the post does not carry any credentials...why should I believe what is essentially an anon post. Please refrain from believing anon posts.





I guess you missed the part about them being close friends of mine, hardly anonymous. i don't know why I bother, obviously an error in judgement on my part. Please carry on....




[Edited on 10-23-2017 by BajaNomad]

JoeJustJoe - 10-21-2017 at 01:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  


So it was posted on the internet...therefore it must be true... Police Chief is investigating.


Thanks, Rts551, I actually believed this story the first time I briefly read it, but after reading it again, I realize it's nothing but a 3rd party, email that's very similar to bogus chain letters that are passed around everywhere.

So the corrupt Mexican cops, or real cops, had the husband beaten down, and all ready to pay, before the little wife, got out her camera, and started taking photos, causing the corrupt cops, or fake cops to back down, and let them go..

The "take away" from the story, is when confronted by possible corrupt Mexican cops, take out your camera, and start shooting.

Hell, if you tried that in the states, to a US rogue cop, you could be beaten, and if you were black, you would be shot. I'm always amazed, how ex-pats, and American tourists, are always able to take out their phones and cameras, when confronted by a Mexican cop.

Oh but this story is allegedly true, because the story supposedly checked out with the municipal police chief. Well, what's the police chief doing about it?

Others, says it's true, because they know the party who wrote the story, and they are good friends with them? OK who are they, and where are the photos?

My favorite quote comes from Sancho, who writes, " Don't understand why some disbelieve posts because they are not 1st hand, vetted, authoritative. There would be nothing here if that was a requirement, besides what motive would one have to make an account like that up."

The answer is there are lots of reasons why people make up things on the internet, and it happens all the time.

dtbushpilot - 10-21-2017 at 01:33 PM

Just talked to the supposed victim in this story. After pressing him for more info he admitted that he made it all up. Fake news after all. Nothing more to see here, move along now....

Hook - 10-21-2017 at 01:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sancho  
The 'let's go to the station' tactic may work for the seasoned Baja traveler, but for the casual, inexperienced visitor, a verbal
confrontation with fake or real cops can be unnerving, with the
threat of vehicle impoundment, etc., so they rule thru intimidation. One has to be quite confident, equipped with
enough Spanish to fend off these thiefs


Not to mention how difficult it can be if you are towing something or driving something larger than Mexican city streets.

motoged - 10-21-2017 at 02:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Just talked to the supposed victim in this story. After pressing him for more info he admitted that he made it all up. Fake news after all. Nothing more to see here, move along now....


David,
I have always appreciated your sarcasm....:biggrin:

rts551 - 10-22-2017 at 10:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
And in this instance not displaying any identification (badges/names), faces covered by balaclavas and demanding money on the street


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
This was checked out with the municipal police chief. Turns out these are legit cops. BEWARE of posts on the internet.


So it was posted on the internet...therefore it must be true... Police Chief is investigating.



The people who experienced this are close friends of mine. The story is legit. Please refrain from questioning their integrity.

[Edited on 10-21-2017 by dtbushpilot]


I don't know them and the post does not carry any credentials...why should I believe what is essentially an anon post. Please refrain from believing anon posts.





I guess you missed the part about them being close friends of mine, hardly anonymous. i don't know why I bother, obviously an error in judgement on my part. Please carry on....


Just because they are friends of your does not mean I know them. They posted about fake cops that turn out to be not so fake. That would cause one to think twice about the whole post. Lots of BS posted on the internet...some here.




[Edited on 10-23-2017 by BajaNomad]

rts551 - 10-22-2017 at 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Just talked to the supposed victim in this story. After pressing him for more info he admitted that he made it all up. Fake news after all. Nothing more to see here, move along now....


David,
I have always appreciated your sarcasm....:biggrin:


Yes, excellent way to blow off people when you are always correct.

AKgringo - 10-22-2017 at 10:59 AM

When I was still new to this forum, this subject came up. I reported honestly, and accurately about my shake down experiences on the west side of La Paz on my two previous trips.

A couple of the regular chicken coopers suggested that I deserved what I got for the first one, and was lying about refusing to pay the mordida, and driving away from the second one with no ticket!

Screw the coopers! Being a newbie doesn't make you a troll, but substituting your opinion for the facts reported could!

rts551 - 10-22-2017 at 11:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
When I was still new to this forum, this subject came up. I reported honestly, and accurately about my shake down experiences on the west side of La Paz on my two previous trips.

A couple of the regular chicken coopers suggested that I deserved what I got for the first one, and was lying about refusing to pay the mordida, and driving away from the second one with no ticket!

Screw the coopers! Being a newbie doesn't make you a troll, but substituting your opinion for the facts reported could!


Agree wholeheartedly.....when there are facts reported. I guess we just rely on the people here to tell us when something is factual and when not:rolleyes:

KurtG - 10-22-2017 at 12:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by El Jefe  
Two days ago we got shaken down by federal highway police just outside of Guerero Negro south bound. The posted speed limit is 80KPH or 50 MPH. We we going 65mph, a slow pace for that straight desert road considering all the other traffic. So, yep we were guilty. We had a long spirited discussion (I've been down this road before) with me hoping I could talk out of this on. Not a chance. In fact when I asked for a ticket he said sure but they would call a tow truck to take our car back to Guerero where we could pay the fine and the tow fee. They were demanding $4,300 pesos. Even showed me a chart with the fines for various infractions. I ended up talking them down to 2,000 pesos which I paid to the cop. I've tried over the years to be firm with these guys and sometimes it works. This time I felt they had the advantage (two cops, two cars).

Moral of this story is if you want to drive down here with their ridiculous speed limits, either drive very slowly and have most of the traffic wiz by you or be prepared to pay the piper.

Note; On a dark night I probably would drive that road at 50mph. Broad daylight is another story.


[Edited on 10-20-2017 by El Jefe]


I've seen the highway patrol running radar in the first 10-15 miles south of GN enough times that I always take it slow there or let a faster vehicle run out front. They seem to set up where there are a couple of small hills to hide them. Once south of that area I go back to my normal speed.

elgatoloco - 10-22-2017 at 01:58 PM

I was once told by a GN local that the highway patrol knocks off at 5:00 PM so I only speed after then. :saint:
Quote: Originally posted by KurtG  
Quote: Originally posted by El Jefe  
Two days ago we got shaken down by federal highway police just outside of Guerero Negro south bound. The posted speed limit is 80KPH or 50 MPH. We we going 65mph, a slow pace for that straight desert road considering all the other traffic. So, yep we were guilty. We had a long spirited discussion (I've been down this road before) with me hoping I could talk out of this on. Not a chance. In fact when I asked for a ticket he said sure but they would call a tow truck to take our car back to Guerero where we could pay the fine and the tow fee. They were demanding $4,300 pesos. Even showed me a chart with the fines for various infractions. I ended up talking them down to 2,000 pesos which I paid to the cop. I've tried over the years to be firm with these guys and sometimes it works. This time I felt they had the advantage (two cops, two cars).

Moral of this story is if you want to drive down here with their ridiculous speed limits, either drive very slowly and have most of the traffic wiz by you or be prepared to pay the piper.

Note; On a dark night I probably would drive that road at 50mph. Broad daylight is another story.


[Edited on 10-20-2017 by El Jefe]


I've seen the highway patrol running radar in the first 10-15 miles south of GN enough times that I always take it slow there or let a faster vehicle run out front. They seem to set up where there are a couple of small hills to hide them. Once south of that area I go back to my normal speed.

JoeJustJoe - 10-22-2017 at 02:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
When I was still new to this forum, this subject came up. I reported honestly, and accurately about my shake down experiences on the west side of La Paz on my two previous trips.

A couple of the regular chicken coopers suggested that I deserved what I got for the first one, and was lying about refusing to pay the mordida, and driving away from the second one with no ticket!

Screw the coopers! Being a newbie doesn't make you a troll, but substituting your opinion for the facts reported could!


I have no opinion, if your story was accurate or not when you first reported it, especially if I never read it, or don't recall reading it.


Yeah, the regular "chicken coopers" can be real idiots, especially with their passive-aggressive put downs. ( what a dumb word chicken coopers. Who gave up with those words?)

That said, how does anyone actually know if someone's post is truthful, especially if they are newbies with no track record?

The stories I tend to believe more, is the stories where American ex-pats, or tourists, actually fell victim to a corrupt Mexican cop, and gave the cop a bribe.

Reading Mexico shakedown reports not just on "Baja Nomad" but on other forums and "Facebook" as well. I would roughly say, about 80 percent of the time, the American ex-pats or tourists, according to their stories, get the upper hand on the hapless Mexican corrupt cops, and it makes in wonder why a corrupt Mexican cop would go for a bribe attempt, when they are usually on the losing end of the deal, like in the "MANEADERO----BEWARD, story.

So you just know, some of these stories are fake, and in reality, some ex-pats, quickly give into a bribe attempt, otherwise, the Mexican cops would quit trying to make easy money.

Personally I'm so sick on this " "MANEADERO----BEWARD, story! It's all over the place, and now it's over at 'Facebook" and it's getting attention.

The ex-pat women, who wrote this story, sure gives a lot of detail, but when asked, if she filed an official report to the Mexican authorities, she claims she did, but she leaves out the details about that.

[Edited on 10-22-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

willardguy - 10-22-2017 at 03:09 PM

"Personally I'm so sick on this " "MANEADERO----BEWARD, story! It's all over the place, and now it's over at 'Facebook" and it's getting attention."

alright cool it guys.....jjj has had it! :lol:

Lee - 10-22-2017 at 03:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
"Personally I'm so sick on this " "MANEADERO----BEWARD, story! It's all over the place, and now it's over at 'Facebook" and it's getting attention."

alright cool it guys.....jjj has had it! :lol:


True. This stuff feeds the paranoia and fear gringoes up North have. They talk and ask questions without doubt. ''Is Baja safe?'' ''Aren't you afraid?''

Deal with the cops, expect to negotiate. Seasoned Nomads know how to do it.

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 10-22-2017 at 03:22 PM

Hola willardguy,

so sorry that you're sick of it BUT...not everybody reads facebook or other sites so it may be interesting to others that are the same as me.

THEN...JUST DON'T READ IT !!!!!!

DA RAT

willardguy - 10-22-2017 at 03:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BAJA.DESERT.RAT  
Hola willardguy,

so sorry that you're sick of it BUT...not everybody reads facebook or other sites so it may be interesting to others that are the same as me.

THEN...JUST DON'T READ IT !!!!!!

DA RAT


lol...come on rat.....that was triple J's rant! :)

bajabuddha - 10-22-2017 at 04:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
And in this instance not displaying any identification (badges/names), faces covered by balaclavas and demanding money on the street


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
This was checked out with the municipal police chief. Turns out these are legit cops. BEWARE of posts on the internet.


So it was posted on the internet...therefore it must be true... Police Chief is investigating.



The people who experienced this are close friends of mine. The story is legit. Please refrain from questioning their integrity.

[Edited on 10-21-2017 by dtbushpilot]


I don't know them and the post does not carry any credentials...why should I believe what is essentially an anon post. Please refrain from believing anon posts.





I guess you missed the part about them being close friends of mine, hardly anonymous. i don't know why I bother, obviously an error in judgement on my part. Please carry on....


Just because they are friends of your does not mean I know them. They posted about fake cops that turn out to be not so fake. That would cause one to think twice about the whole post. Lots of BS posted on the internet...some here.


I really don't have anything to add, just wanted to see how many boxes inside of boxes I could get; enough to fill a whole page yet?




[Edited on 10-23-2017 by BajaNomad]

mtgoat666 - 10-22-2017 at 04:40 PM

So the story teller said they were fake cops, but it turns out they were real cops. Hmmmmmm....... how much of the rest of their story is wrong?

Me thinks they are old people that think their driving is perfect when in reality their driving is erratic and dangerous -- it's a common refrain of the elderly here on nomad: "the cops stooped me, but I drive perfect!" Perhaps it is time that their children take away their keys, eh?

I am proud of the police in Maneadero, they are out there making the streets safe for their citizens!
We should respect the first responders! How dare these nomads criticize the first responders that put their lives on the lines for citizens of Maneadero and the baja nomad snowbirds!

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 10-22-2017 at 05:53 PM

hola willardguy

OOPS...SORRY !

I should have known better. ESPECIALLY WITH THE SPELLING INVOLVED !

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT



AKgringo - 10-23-2017 at 01:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


the topic is cop killing young blacks disproportionately to their population.




[Edited on 10-23-2017 by JoeJustJoe]


No JJJ, the topic is police shakedowns in Maneadero! Both of your posts, and Tom's belong in Off Topic.

[Edited on 10-23-2017 by AKgringo]

JoeJustJoe - 10-23-2017 at 02:32 PM

AKgringo, that comment you're quoting from me is in reference to the article that TMW posted, and the rest of my comments were about my observations of getting pulled over randomly in the US compared to Mexico, and white Americans are often indifferent to the treatment of blacks in urban neighborhoods, but when they are pulled over in Mexico unfairly and sometimes asked for a bribe, they are so outraged.

Welcome to the world of racial profiling.

Now back to the topic, this 67 year old white American woman, who made the MANDEADRO-BEWARD, post all over Baja, and Facebook pages, or had her friends help her, was told to report her alleged incident to the "Sindicatura" in Ensenada, but she had all kinds of excuses why she wasn't going to do it, specifically she cited the fact, that you had to ratify you complaint in person.

So in other words, this woman, is not going to officially file a complaint where it should be filed, but will instead post her allegations all over Baja forums, blogs, and Facebook.

_______________________________________
The SINDICATURA or like internal affairs with US police departments.

COMPLAINT

We are empowered to safeguard the legality, honesty, efficiency and care provided by the public servant to citizens.

Any information provided will be part of the complaint, which will support the investigation, which will be resolved if the official or Municipal Public Official is responsible. It is recommended to obtain the name of the public official, as well as a physical description and in case of being an official please note the number of the unit. If you do not know the city well, describe the nearby businesses, stores, or buildings. If they violated your integrity, you must obtain a medical report. Do not forget to note the date and time of the incident. The Trustee of the XXI Ayuntamiento de Ensenada Supervises personally the good performance of the different areas that make up this Municipal Office, which are committed to provide you with a prompt and quality service. We will contact you to schedule an appointment to which you must appear and ratify your complaint in a personal manner. In case you can not be contacted, this complaint will be invalid after 3 days have elapsed.

COMPLAINT DATA

http://sindicatura.ensenada.gob.mx/servicios/denuncia.php

ELINVESTIG8R - 10-23-2017 at 04:06 PM

It's true about Maneadero. I came through a couple of days ago and was pulled over by a real municipal policeman on a very small dirt bike with police lights. He said I ran a stop sign and demanded my driver's license which I gave to him. I told him that if he was talking about the sign that was almost lying on the ground with the face of the stop sign facing the side road leading up to the main highway then I guess I ran the stop sign. I told him this did not count because of the condition of the stop sign. I told him to go fix the sign before pulling people over for a bullsh*t charge. I showed him my badge and ID and told him he could give me his hand in friendship and fraternal brotherhood or take me to the judge to plead my case. I told him I was making one stop first to photograph the stop sign as my evidence. He handed me my driver's license back, shook my hand and took off, and I continued on to El Rosario.

David K - 10-23-2017 at 04:34 PM

Awesome response David!

norte - 10-23-2017 at 06:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
It's true about Maneadero. I came through a couple of days ago and was pulled over by a real municipal policeman on a very small dirt bike with police lights. He said I ran a stop sign and demanded my driver's license which I gave to him. I told him that if he was talking about the sign that was almost lying on the ground with the face of the stop sign facing the side road leading up to the main highway then I guess I ran the stop sign. I told him this did not count because of the condition of the stop sign. I told him to go fix the sign before pulling people over for a bullsh*t charge. I showed him my badge and ID and told him he could give me his hand in friendship and fraternal brotherhood or take me to the judge to plead my case. I told him I was making one stop first to photograph the stop sign as my evidence. He handed me my driver's license back, shook my hand and took off, and I continued on to El Rosario.


I thought you said you retired. Do retired police officers carry a badge?

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 10-23-2017 at 06:34 PM

HOLA DOUG,

AS THE OP, i think it's time to close this as it's getting too far from it's original intent.

thank you,

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT

ELINVESTIG8R - 10-23-2017 at 06:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
It's true about Maneadero. I came through a couple of days ago and was pulled over by a real municipal policeman on a very small dirt bike with police lights. He said I ran a stop sign and demanded my driver's license which I gave to him. I told him that if he was talking about the sign that was almost lying on the ground with the face of the stop sign facing the side road leading up to the main highway then I guess I ran the stop sign. I told him this did not count because of the condition of the stop sign. I told him to go fix the sign before pulling people over for a bullsh*t charge. I showed him my badge and ID and told him he could give me his hand in friendship and fraternal brotherhood or take me to the judge to plead my case. I told him I was making one stop first to photograph the stop sign as my evidence. He handed me my driver's license back, shook my hand and took off, and I continued on to El Rosario.


I thought you said you retired. Do retired police officers carry a badge?



IN A WORD "YES!"

ELINVESTIG8R - 10-23-2017 at 06:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Awesome response David!


Thank you David!

mtgoat666 - 10-23-2017 at 09:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
It's true about Maneadero. I came through a couple of days ago and was pulled over by a real municipal policeman on a very small dirt bike with police lights. He said I ran a stop sign and demanded my driver's license which I gave to him. I told him that if he was talking about the sign that was almost lying on the ground with the face of the stop sign facing the side road leading up to the main highway then I guess I ran the stop sign. I told him this did not count because of the condition of the stop sign. I told him to go fix the sign before pulling people over for a bullsh*t charge. I showed him my badge and ID and told him he could give me his hand in friendship and fraternal brotherhood or take me to the judge to plead my case. I told him I was making one stop first to photograph the stop sign as my evidence. He handed me my driver's license back, shook my hand and took off, and I continued on to El Rosario.


I thought you said you retired. Do retired police officers carry a badge?


David was not a police officer. He was an MP in the marines (like those security guards at entry of bases), then was an investigator for a DA office. Neither involved policing, in the normal sense of the word. Doubtful that either position had a badge, but probably had a laminated ID with statement at the bottom that “person should not be mistaken for law enforcement officer.”
:lol:


[Edited on 10-24-2017 by mtgoat666]

Lee - 10-24-2017 at 05:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
It's true about Maneadero. I came through a couple of days ago and was pulled over by a real municipal policeman on a very small dirt bike with police lights. He said I ran a stop sign and demanded my driver's license which I gave to him. I told him that if he was talking about the sign that was almost lying on the ground with the face of the stop sign facing the side road leading up to the main highway then I guess I ran the stop sign. I told him this did not count because of the condition of the stop sign. I told him to go fix the sign before pulling people over for a bullsh*t charge. I showed him my badge and ID and told him he could give me his hand in friendship and fraternal brotherhood or take me to the judge to plead my case. I told him I was making one stop first to photograph the stop sign as my evidence. He handed me my driver's license back, shook my hand and took off, and I continued on to El Rosario.


I thought you said you retired. Do retired police officers carry a badge?


David was not a police officer. He was an MP in the marines (like those security guards at entry of bases), then was an investigator for a DA office. Neither involved policing, in the normal sense of the word. Doubtful that either position had a badge, but probably had a laminated ID with statement at the bottom that “person should not be mistaken for law enforcement officer.”
:lol:


[Edited on 10-24-2017 by mtgoat666]


Close but not correct. MP means military police. How does that translate to not being a cop in the normal sense? That involves patrolling, power of arrest, investigation.

He had a badge then and also one at the DA’s office. Where you going with this, Tom?

ELINVESTIG8R - 10-24-2017 at 06:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
It's true about Maneadero. I came through a couple of days ago and was pulled over by a real municipal policeman on a very small dirt bike with police lights. He said I ran a stop sign and demanded my driver's license which I gave to him. I told him that if he was talking about the sign that was almost lying on the ground with the face of the stop sign facing the side road leading up to the main highway then I guess I ran the stop sign. I told him this did not count because of the condition of the stop sign. I told him to go fix the sign before pulling people over for a bullsh*t charge. I showed him my badge and ID and told him he could give me his hand in friendship and fraternal brotherhood or take me to the judge to plead my case. I told him I was making one stop first to photograph the stop sign as my evidence. He handed me my driver's license back, shook my hand and took off, and I continued on to El Rosario.


I thought you said you retired. Do retired police officers carry a badge?


David was not a police officer. He was an MP in the marines (like those security guards at entry of bases), then was an investigator for a DA office. Neither involved policing, in the normal sense of the word. Doubtful that either position had a badge, but probably had a laminated ID with statement at the bottom that “person should not be mistaken for law enforcement officer.”
:lol:
THOMAS ORIN MEIXNER YOU ARE ONE DUMB IGNORANT ASU LIBERAL WEENIE PROFESSOR
[Edited on 10-24-2017 by mtgoat666]



mtgoat666 - 10-24-2017 at 06:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
It's true about Maneadero. I came through a couple of days ago and was pulled over by a real municipal policeman on a very small dirt bike with police lights. He said I ran a stop sign and demanded my driver's license which I gave to him. I told him that if he was talking about the sign that was almost lying on the ground with the face of the stop sign facing the side road leading up to the main highway then I guess I ran the stop sign. I told him this did not count because of the condition of the stop sign. I told him to go fix the sign before pulling people over for a bullsh*t charge. I showed him my badge and ID and told him he could give me his hand in friendship and fraternal brotherhood or take me to the judge to plead my case. I told him I was making one stop first to photograph the stop sign as my evidence. He handed me my driver's license back, shook my hand and took off, and I continued on to El Rosario.


I thought you said you retired. Do retired police officers carry a badge?


David was not a police officer. He was an MP in the marines (like those security guards at entry of bases), then was an investigator for a DA office. Neither involved policing, in the normal sense of the word. Doubtful that either position had a badge, but probably had a laminated ID with statement at the bottom that “person should not be mistaken for law enforcement officer.”
:lol:
THOMAS ORIN MEIXNER YOU ARE ONE DUMB IGNORANT ASU LIBERAL WEENIE PROFESSOR
[Edited on 10-24-2017 by mtgoat666]






Such amazing investigative abilities!

ELINVESTIG8R - 10-24-2017 at 06:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
It's true about Maneadero. I came through a couple of days ago and was pulled over by a real municipal policeman on a very small dirt bike with police lights. He said I ran a stop sign and demanded my driver's license which I gave to him. I told him that if he was talking about the sign that was almost lying on the ground with the face of the stop sign facing the side road leading up to the main highway then I guess I ran the stop sign. I told him this did not count because of the condition of the stop sign. I told him to go fix the sign before pulling people over for a bullsh*t charge. I showed him my badge and ID and told him he could give me his hand in friendship and fraternal brotherhood or take me to the judge to plead my case. I told him I was making one stop first to photograph the stop sign as my evidence. He handed me my driver's license back, shook my hand and took off, and I continued on to El Rosario.


I thought you said you retired. Do retired police officers carry a badge?


David was not a police officer. He was an MP in the marines (like those security guards at entry of bases), then was an investigator for a DA office. Neither involved policing, in the normal sense of the word. Doubtful that either position had a badge, but probably had a laminated ID with statement at the bottom that “person should not be mistaken for law enforcement officer.”
:lol:
THOMAS ORIN MEIXNER YOU ARE ONE DUMB IGNORANT ASU LIBERAL WEENIE PROFESSOR
[Edited on 10-24-2017 by mtgoat666]






Such amazing investigative abilities!



THANK YOU PROFESSOR NUMB-NUTS!

Meany - 10-24-2017 at 07:52 AM

??? drove through there Sunday??? No one home?? Stoped at all stops even the one leaning over. Must have been my Lucky Day.:bounce:

woody with a view - 10-24-2017 at 08:02 AM

Same here last friday.

JoeJustJoe - 10-24-2017 at 10:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BAJA.DESERT.RAT  
HOLA DOUG,

AS THE OP, i think it's time to close this as it's getting too far from it's original intent.

thank you,

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT



Boy, your thread is going off the rails now!

But I'm curious, what was the original intent?

To post an anonymous over-the-top, 3rd party shake down report where this women claims her and her husband went through an ordeal, but came out victorious in the end, and recommends to all others, to pull out your cameras, and start shooting photos of a buildings because you can't be stopped.

Does she want to make a bet that she can't be stopped?

I'm sorry, I don't find her report totality credible , especially when she is posting or having her trip report posted on most Baja sites, and Facebook Baja sties, but she refuses to report the incident to the " SINDICATURA" where they could actually do something about it.

In fact I find ELINVESTIG8R's more credible, although I know without a doubt, he was never a police officer, or that he carried an official badge in any law enforcement capacity in the US, although in the early 90's, he had a security guard licence, and gun permit.

Perhaps, he showed the alleged corrupt Mexican cop, his old security guard badge, and with his fluent Spanish speaking ability, he may have been able to pull it off.

I know, that I have told Tijuana cops, that have stopped me, and I suspected of fishing for a bribe, that I was an attorney, when they asked me what I did for a living, although in my last stop, I told two TJ cops, that I only worked for an attorney, and it worked, and they let me walk

So it does something work, telling possible corrupt Mexican cops, you're a cop in the states, or an attorney like I tell them, and no I'm not a lawyer, I only sometimes pretend I am.

I'm pretty much done in this thread, and I'll repeat, don't believe everything you read on the internet, because what you read is often not true.

Gscott - 10-25-2017 at 04:23 AM

I sure wish there was a way to block users of this forum so I could filter out some of the garbage. There are about 4 users that ruin it here.

chuckie - 10-25-2017 at 06:52 AM

Yup, you are right...AND more and more often posts are deleted or changed to someone elses context almost before the bytes cool off. I noticed that my signature gets changed almost every post to suit someone elses political bent....Oh well....it is what it is...

o3dave - 10-25-2017 at 08:24 AM

Haha, I like Dodge Truck better.

<<<<<drives a Dodge truck!




[Edited on 10-25-2017 by o3dave]