BajaNomad - Baja 1000 (almost) cancelled due to ecological damage

Baja 1000 (almost) cancelled due to ecological damage

Ken Cooke - 10-11-2018 at 08:10 PM

Due to ecological damage, the Baja 1000 has been suspended across the states of Baja California Norte and Sur.

Link: https://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/DeportesLocal...

[Edited on 11-16-2018 by Ken Cooke]

motoged - 10-11-2018 at 09:07 PM

willardguy - 10-11-2018 at 09:09 PM

let me guess....mike overcast :rolleyes:

motoged - 10-11-2018 at 09:12 PM

Reportedly the race guys need to pay a fine to remove the suspension ...don't know if that solves the eco concerns.

Bad suspension always wrecks a good ride :biggrin:

mtgoat666 - 10-11-2018 at 09:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Due to ecological damage, the Baja 1000 has been suspended across the states of Baja California Norte and Sur.

Link: https://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/DeportesLocal...

Thank you for sharing the good news! :bounce:

David K - 10-12-2018 at 08:46 AM

A bad economy for Mexico is good news to you? Score events provide millions of pesos to local Mexican families in Baja. Shame shame shame. Why not cancel the hurricane damage instead... it is hundreds of times more destructive than a Baja race? What, you can't change the weather? Then stop taxing the world for you crazy global warming/ climate change ideas!

willardguy - 10-12-2018 at 08:57 AM

nothing new here, its all settled in the back room. exact same thing in 2014.

[Edited on 10-12-2018 by willardguy]

weebray - 10-12-2018 at 09:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

A bad economy for Mexico is good news to you? Score events provide millions of pesos to local Mexican families in Baja. Shame shame shame. Why not cancel the hurricane damage instead... it is hundreds of times more destructive than a Baja race? What, you can't change the weather? Then stop taxing the world for you crazy global warming/ climate change ideas!

Am I to assume that you and Kayne West have both taken leave of your senses? Your post is illogical, unfounded speculation and comes off as if you were babbling. Please calm down, come back to planet earth and state your case rationally. Remembering that the climate is not on trial here, the right of people to destroy the environment and walk away is.

David K - 10-12-2018 at 09:19 AM

Not at all, I am very calm and my words are factual and logical.
You seem to follow Karl Marx and Lenin with the notion that if you repeat a lie enough times, it will become the truth?

If the race is canceled, it will be an economic disaster to all in Mexico who usually benefit and plan their lives for it. Damage to roads, while real, are minuscule to the damage done by Nature.

gnukid - 10-12-2018 at 09:30 AM

The fine is ~ $25,000

ncampion - 10-12-2018 at 09:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by weebray

Quote: Originally posted by David K

I think I notice a mild case of "DK Derangement Syndrome" here.

SFandH - 10-12-2018 at 09:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

covfefe

motoged - 10-12-2018 at 10:10 AM

DK,
Just WRONG....take some deep breaths.

Stick to maps...

mtgoat666 - 10-12-2018 at 10:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Econ activity is good, but i recommend the econ activity be green (no nuke repositories, no wanton strip mining, no destructive events like racing, etc)
The hurricane is part of desert cycle of life, the rain will help the plants grow, hopefully help the plants barely hanging on to life due to last race!

David K - 10-12-2018 at 11:08 AM

So the building of Highway 1 through Baja was very wrong... because millions of desert trees were mowed down? The benefit of an event means nothing?

StuckSucks - 10-12-2018 at 11:22 AM

Every year there is some sort of "crisis" at the 11th hour of the Baja 1000. Like very year in the past, it will be resolved.

Not worth all the hand-wringing.

gnukid - 10-12-2018 at 11:27 AM

Off road racing is designated as the primary sport and resource for Baja. Successful racing events are among the highest priorities as a draw for tourism and overall economy. People are going to get hurt, and there will be damage to the flora and fauna. Baja doesn't have many other products besides racing. If you go to almost any town there are racing enthusiasts and shops up and down the street of an otherwise desolate region with no manufacturing and no products. Apparently racing is a big deal to Baja.

SFandH - 10-12-2018 at 12:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Off road racing is designated as the primary sport and resource for Baja. Successful racing events are among the highest priorities as a draw for tourism and overall economy.

Do you have any references? I'd guess that compared to the overall economy, the money brought in by off-road racing is a drop in the bucket.

norte - 10-12-2018 at 12:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Off road racing is designated as the primary sport and resource for Baja. Successful racing events are among the highest priorities as a draw for tourism and overall economy. People are going to get hurt, and there will be damage to the flora and fauna. Baja doesn't have many other products besides racing. If you go to almost any town there are racing enthusiasts and shops up and down the street of an otherwise desolate region with no manufacturing and no products. Apparently racing is a big deal to Baja.

Primary resource for Baja...Now that is a new one that we will have to educate all the farmers with.

Ever notice how if you take a position different than David, you are immediately a commie, pinko, red, Marxist, Leninist?

JoeJustJoe - 10-12-2018 at 01:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Not at all, I am very calm and my words are factual and logical.
You seem to follow Karl Marx and Lenin with the notion that if you repeat a lie enough times, it will become the truth?

If the race is canceled, it will be an economic disaster to all in Mexico who usually benefit and plan their lives for it. Damage to roads, while real, are minuscule to the damage done by Nature.

It will be an economic disaster to all in Mexico?

You mean mostly the fat cats that set up the the terrain erosion event, and perhaps a few Mexican shops that sell cheap souvenirs, and a few tacos. That's hardly everybody in all of Mexico.

Whatever money the event makes, pales in comparison, to the environmental damage the event does to the ecosystem, the flora, and fauna, not to mention the animal mortality, and all the garbage left behind by the race, alone with the noise pollution.

Somehow Mexico, will survive without the race.

thebajarunner - 10-12-2018 at 01:39 PM

Wow, you don't have to be an economist or an actuary to see the financial impact on Baja.
Obviously none of you nay-sayers have been in Ensenada in November.

SFandH - 10-12-2018 at 01:49 PM

The Ensenada hotels, restaurants, and stores along the harbor have 5 or 10 good days out of 365 every year. Not a lot of money compared to the everyday commerce of the entire city of over 1/2 million people.

[Edited on 10-12-2018 by SFandH]

weebray - 10-12-2018 at 03:46 PM

A long time ago rational and educated people worldwide realized that man has, comprehensively, caused a dangerous negative change in the Earth's climate. This fact is no longer subject to debate. There is a statistically unimportant tiny minority that clings to denial of that fact. Do not be distracted by these vacuous quacks. We don't have time for folly.

Hook - 10-12-2018 at 04:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner

Wow, you don't have to be an economist or an actuary to see the financial impact on Baja.
Obviously none of you nay-sayers have been in Ensenada in November.

Is life only to be measured in financial impact and economic measures? Is there anything more than this?

The cartels certainly think so. Do you?

David K - 10-12-2018 at 04:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Quote: Originally posted by David K

You didn't quote enough as you wanted to twist to what you wanted to hear. So, let's be clear that I didn't just say all in Mexico... I said, "all in Mexico WHO USUALLY BENEFIT AND PLAN THEIR LIVES FOR IT"

TMW - 10-12-2018 at 04:43 PM

Here is one of the few studies done concerning the race and it's impact.

https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/ST10/ST10038...

JoeJustJoe - 10-12-2018 at 05:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Here is one of the few studies done concerning the race and it's impact.

https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/ST10/ST10038...

That's not so much of a study, then wishful thinking of tourism board.

The study even said it needs an ecological impact report.

It's sad to hear the desert race will still go on, after the sponsors pony up to the Mexican EPA, a large fine/deposit, because the last time the the race course carelessly went over some protected areas, and destroyed some rare plant life.

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Ken Cooke - 10-13-2018 at 09:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Here is one of the few studies done concerning the race and it's impact.

https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/ST10/ST10038...

I'm curious to see exactly what plant life was actually disturbed. There are no photos, only words.

Archie - 10-13-2018 at 06:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

I'm curious to see exactly what plant life was actually disturbed. There are no photos, only words.

This is the official communicate from the PROFEPA website

https://www.gob.mx/profepa/prensa/multa-profepa-con-mas-de-5...

From a race car?

John M - 10-13-2018 at 08:10 PM

Doesn't much look like debris from a race car in the bottom photo.

JM

Ken Cooke - 10-13-2018 at 08:53 PM

Raza needs to clean up after attending a race. Speed limits may need to take place through protected areas to cut down on erosion and damage to vegetation. This is tough, but SCORE has its work cut out for themselves.

PaulW - 10-14-2018 at 05:46 AM

Yup. The debris is not from the racers. It is from the local spectators. It is a Mexican thing - just dump your waste on the ground and go home. In some locations the locals get organized and clean up the really bad places. I know of one rancher near San Felipe that pays a bunch of people to clean up the stuff. He does that to minimize having his cows eat the stuff. There is always the collection on aluminum after each race, but sadly the rest of the debris just gets blown away by the wind.
That is how it is.

mtgoat666 - 10-14-2018 at 06:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW

Yup. The debris is not from the racers. It is from the local spectators. It is a Mexican thing - just dump your waste on the ground and go home. In some locations the locals get organized and clean up the really bad places. I know of one rancher near San Felipe that pays a bunch of people to clean up the stuff. He does that to minimize having his cows eat the stuff. There is always the collection on aluminum after each race, but sadly the rest of the debris just gets blown away by the wind.
That is how it is.

It should be the race organizers responsibility to clean up after the spectators. If the race organizer can not afford to clean up, he should raise fees or get out of the business. It is irresponsible of the organizer to draw the people out into the desert, then say “not my problem.”

If the organizer can not afford to clean up after his mess, he should buy a ranch and make a loop course, use a smaller footprint where he can get a handle on his problem.

ehall - 10-14-2018 at 06:33 AM

It's back on.

bajatrailrider - 10-14-2018 at 07:20 AM

Yes Ed it is back on sorry for you nomad blow hards. Now the blow hards can start on the yucca rappers and new mines .don't forget all the new roads that are biult everyday. 🤗

Archie - 10-14-2018 at 08:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ehall

It's back on.

where did you read that?

All i´ve seen its a comment from the tourism office in Ensenada, who by he way, has no authority for granting or denying the authorization.

Even if they pay the fine, thats related to 2017 baja 1000; the 2018 edition has not been cleared for the environmental impact manifest. The´ll have a meeting next week to work on that.

JoeJustJoe - 10-14-2018 at 08:45 AM

No wonder why some local Mexican land owners, and Mexican environmentalists, were so upset over the Baja 1000, and other Baja races.

The course changes from year to year for added excitement, and more ecological damage, with little or no regulations. Then you have cheating racers, going off course to get a cheaters advantage, but destroying fragile endangered areas they trample over.

There are also complaints of Noisy rally vehicles and spectators, helicopters flying overhead, trash,destroyed fences placed, vehicles illegally getting off the established route to gain time, and even cactus burning.

The Mexican land owners, mention that in the US, these kinds of races are prohibited and Mexico, should have similar rules, and I agree.

The Baja 1000 should be moved to a place like Death Valley, where Americans racers can ruin their own environment in the US. Who knows, the US current administration, doesn't seem to care about the enviroment at all, and may allow something like the "Death Valley 1000."
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The Baja 1000 car race and its impact on rural communities

The Off-Road Baja 1000 race takes place each year on Mexico’s Baja California peninsula through rough terrain. The route changes each year, adding excitement for the participants but causing increased damage to the area

No studies have been made to quantify the environmental or socioeconomic impacts so the profit and loss relationships are unknown.

The peninsula particularly possesses natural resources by virtue of its beauty, uniqueness and delicacy, establishing two great protected areas: Valle de los Cirios in Baja California State and El Vizcaíno in Baja California Sur State.

This study reviews the paths covered by the Baja 1000 races of 2005 and 2006 using GIS. Analyses of the ecological footprint left by the motorcycles and cars show the identification of various impacts to the natural environment, such as ecosystem fragmentation, deforestation of botanical species, animal mortality and terrain erosion, as well as garbage left by the race spectators along diverse sites directly affecting the soil, groundwater table, flora and fauna.

Recommendations from this study include the need to control the OffRoad races by means of an Official Norm that regulates these activities and to offer environmental education to the community to make them aware of the impacts they are causing.

https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/ST10/ST10038...

mtgoat666 - 10-14-2018 at 09:18 AM

The baja 1000 is a chit show.
The fact that people like to watch racing does not justify it.
People like to watch c-ck fighting and dog fighting and porn, but that does not justify any of those activities.

willardguy - 10-14-2018 at 09:35 AM

seriously......does ANYONE give two chits what these two knuckleheads think about offroad racing :?:

how bout jjj crawl back to the OT and the mountain troll.....well who cares?

TMW - 10-14-2018 at 09:45 AM

John M noted it was the lophocereus schottii cacti pictured below. Also known as the big penis cactus.

TMW - 10-14-2018 at 09:51 AM

More than likely it was one like this. Called the Old Man Cactus

[Edited on 10-14-2018 by TMW]

motoged - 10-14-2018 at 09:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

seriously......does ANYONE give two chits what these two knuckleheads think about offroad racing :?:

how bout jjj crawl back to the OT and the mountain troll.....well who cares?

Some of us care... :light:

bajatrailrider - 10-15-2018 at 04:07 PM

Not enough care about the nomad blow hards. Baja race on blow hards lose again😂

DanO - 10-16-2018 at 12:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

The baja 1000 is a chit show.
The fact that people like to watch racing does not justify it.
People like to watch c-ck fighting and dog fighting and porn, but that does not justify any of those activities.

You're kidding about porn, right?

motoged - 10-16-2018 at 06:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DanO

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

You're kidding about porn, right?

David K - 11-14-2018 at 02:37 PM

A lot of activity in Ensenada now (LIVE stream) for a "canceled race"!
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialScoreInternational/videos/5...

I guess it was just more fake news? Not one correction posted to correct the mistake or change of facts?

Bajaboy - 11-14-2018 at 03:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

A lot of activity in Ensenada now (LIVE stream) for a "canceled race"!
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialScoreInternational/videos/5...

I guess it was just more fake news? Not one correction posted to correct the mistake or change of facts?

I read somewhere that it's a sign of weakness to admit to your mistakes or change of facts....

JoeJustJoe - 11-14-2018 at 03:28 PM

Here is one post where a member said the race was back on in this thread.

There were also other threads that said the fine was paid and the race was back on.

Fake news is only on "Fox" TV.

Quote: Originally posted by ehall

It's back on.

Enrique2012 - 11-14-2018 at 04:27 PM

I have to laugh at the idea of Mexico cancelling ANYTHING because it wasn't considered "Green." Don't get me wrong, they care about green but that "green" has nothing to do with the environment.

Pony up enough "green" and you can rape the entire toilet bowl called Mexico.

As a side note, why does anyone on this board reply to JJJ & 666 posts?

David K - 11-14-2018 at 05:09 PM

LOL! Yes, indeed, you are all right!!

My correction hint was more directed at the OP (Ken) who is an off-road lover, he even likes driving over other cars in his Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. I was only a bit surprised that he didn't add the update about the World's Oldest Off-Road Race being back on schedule.

A note to some of you eco-concerned: Off-Road racing was really a bad name but easy to say. The race does not go off any road, but primarily uses unpaved (dirt) roads... with some highway sections where there is no alternative. When this race began (the first few years, it simply used Mexico #1 from Tijuana (later Ensenada or Mexicali) to La Paz (except for the San Ignacio to La Purisima section, offering a much shorter distance to La Paz).

Pavement originally ended 72 miles south of Ensenada and didn't begin again until 100 miles north of La Paz. So Mexico #1 was mostly dirt road until 1973 when the central section was paved and forced the race to go through San Felipe, L.A. Bay, then to El Arco again to rejoin the old main road.

I think the only true off-road race was the Barstow to Vegas motorcycle race of the 1960s. That didn't last long but can be seen on the film 'On Any Sunday'.

Ken Cooke - 11-14-2018 at 10:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

LOL! Yes, indeed, you are all right!!

My correction hint was more directed at the OP (Ken) who is an off-road lover, he even likes driving over other cars in his Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. I was only a bit surprised that he didn't add the update about the World's Oldest Off-Road Race being back on schedule.

Fake news? Update? The article is unchanged from last month.

[Edited on 11-15-2018 by Ken Cooke]