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CBP guys POV

BajaTed - 1-7-2019 at 08:30 PM

Point of view from someone in the know in so many ways

www.ocregister.com/2019/01/04/on-the-line-one-border-patrol-...

advrider - 1-7-2019 at 08:47 PM

Good read, nothing but respect for CBP men and women..

Bubba - 1-8-2019 at 07:21 AM

Very good read, thanks for that.

JoeJustJoe - 1-8-2019 at 09:18 AM

What a crock of BS and a bunch of softball questions from the OC Register, of the pencil pusher retired border Patrol, Legislative and Political Affairs and union man as he calls himself.

Questions I would have asked him that went unanswered in the article:

1. Do you support the wall and do the rank and file? In the article he mentioned three things, " secure the border: infrastructure, technology and “boots on the ground.” In other polls, the border patrol suits, are for the wall, but the rank and file, are not, they are for more things like infrastructure, technology, but they say nothing about a wall.

2. How do the border patrol agents feel about not being paid while the government shutdown continues. Do they like the President playing politics with their jobs?

3. The retired border patrol first wife, the dreamer, who supports Trump. Yeah, right, I could really see a liberal democrat, dreamer, supporting Trump. In the article it also mentioned his first wife dying around 2006, so when did he marry his current dreamer wife? ( the time line makes no sense after he mentions another wife of his dying)

4. When he was hit in the head with a rock by a Mexican, and suffered a traumatic brain injury. Why didn't he just take a medical retirement, that's always generous with union or police agencies? Instead it appears he turned into a drunk while supposedly suffering from PTSD.

5. You mention immigration court cases could take years, so you are for large humane detention centers with playground but no cells. So do you want to keep asylum seekers in prison with playground for years which BTW is against current law. I would ask, do you also own a pair of jackboots?

I could ask this bozo many other questions, like what do you think of the President, going on National TV tonight to lie to the public about his manufactured crisis at the border?


[Edited on 1-8-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

BajaMama - 1-8-2019 at 09:33 AM

Well, I do have to agree with JJJ. The OC Register is a conservative paper so no surprise with the right winged slant given to the retired agent's opinion.

sancho - 1-8-2019 at 02:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Well, I do have to agree with JJJ. The OC Register is a conservative paper so no surprise with the right winged slant given










Never thought I'd see it, but after Nov. elections, all House
of Rep. are Dems. here in the OC. The Govt. workers are always
complaining, overworked, underpaid, understaffed, dangerous.
None of them will admit it, behind the bravado, there are
generally a couple factors that makes Govt. work attractive, little
expenditure oversight and the bloated early retirement

John Harper - 1-8-2019 at 03:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sancho  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Well, I do have to agree with JJJ. The OC Register is a conservative paper so no surprise with the right winged slant given


The Govt. workers are always
complaining, overworked, underpaid, understaffed, dangerous.
None of them will admit it, behind the bravado, there are
generally a couple factors that makes Govt. work attractive, little
expenditure oversight and the bloated early retirement


Sounds like someone failed their Civil Service exam, bummer.

Doesn't McDonald's offer a retirement plan?

John



[Edited on 1-8-2019 by John Harper]

BajaTed - 1-8-2019 at 03:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Well, I do have to agree with JJJ. The OC Register is a conservative paper so no surprise with the right winged slant given to the retired agent's opinion.


Beg to differ; the OC Register is a Libertarian paper and has been since their inception, one of the few ever around.

JoeJustJoe - 1-8-2019 at 04:08 PM

Libertarian, doesn't always mean liberal, because there are right leaning libertarians too.

I do see the OC Register editorial page has taken a few libertarian positions that liberals would like, but I also see others continue seeing the OC Register, as having a media bias to the right, although it's a pretty accurate with their facts.

Yes, the OC was the last bastion of conservatism in southern California but that's changing with the heavy influx of both Asians, Latinos, and others in the county.

I stand by my opinion, left leaning, or right leaning, the article/interview of the retired Border Patrol agent, was a one-sided, big cream puff story without one hard hitting question to the retired BP thug.


[Edited on 1-8-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

Bubba - 1-8-2019 at 04:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Well, I do have to agree with JJJ. The OC Register is a conservative paper so no surprise with the right winged slant given to the retired agent's opinion.


Beg to differ; the OC Register is a Libertarian paper and has been since their inception, one of the few ever around.


Exactly!

drzura - 1-8-2019 at 05:35 PM

Yes, very good read. Should make all the lefties start whining and crying. ;D

JoeJustJoe - 1-8-2019 at 06:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
Yes, very good read. Should make all the lefties start whining and crying. ;D


Depending on what happens at 6PM (PST) The lefties, and most sane people in the US may be whining and crying, over the President, declaring a phony state of emergency, which may actually cause one.

Military juntas have often used states of exception in order to override legislative authority. This is the way Hitler cemented his dictatorial powers.

Of course the base will be ecstatic as usual, and will have no idea, they are being played.


[Edited on 1-9-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

Bubba - 1-8-2019 at 06:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
Yes, very good read. Should make all the lefties start whining and crying. ;D


Start? Been going on for a long time.

John Harper - 1-9-2019 at 08:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  

I predict the US Gov will be open soon without the wall.


I think you are right. Republicans are already defecting. Like rats from a sinking ship.

John

Open - Closed - Who KNOWS ?

MrBillM - 1-9-2019 at 10:32 AM

There is a line of thinking among many analysts that D.T. still might roll the dice and declare his emergency thinking that it's a "No Lose" gambit. Given the established deference shown by the courts, he could get away with it.

On the other hand, should the [Supreme] court rule against him as that court previously did with Truman, Trump can say to his base that he gave it his best efforts.

And, of course, continue onward into 2020 laying blame on the opposition party.

One problem with the "emergency" route (beyond any court rulings) which might derail his desire to do so is that of having to redirect significant sums of dedicated military spending. And, redirecting military personnel. THAT would start another firestorm, BUT his thinking might be that he can still lay the blame off on the Dems.

What's next ? As one analyst said yesterday ....................... "Hey, it's Trump ! Who knows ?"

BajaMama - 1-10-2019 at 09:58 AM

The bottom line is even with a new wall we need more border patrol officers and personnel to handle all of the immigrants seeking asylum. With the new technology and more border patrol personnel we can do without a useless and expensive wall. We can do more agents/personnel w/o a wall, but you can't do a wall w/o more agents/personnel. so why bother with a presidential vanity project expensive that only his idiotic base wants?

Tioloco - 1-10-2019 at 10:33 AM

How many people have considered the implications of a wall and have removed the fencing between their neighbors? Must be a crisis brewing with the landfills being overwhelmed with fence material and all. I hope someone can figure out a viable recycling project for all of this material that is going to waste. Until that is figured out, I will keep the wall around my house- just doing my part to be green.

John Harper - 1-10-2019 at 10:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
How many people have considered the implications of a wall and have removed the fencing between their neighbors? Must be a crisis brewing with the landfills being overwhelmed with fence material and all. I hope someone can figure out a viable recycling project for all of this material that is going to waste. Until that is figured out, I will keep the wall around my house- just doing my part to be green.


A wall or fence around your own property is a private and personal financial and/or security issue. A wall along our borders is a public and national issue. I'd say that's a "false equivalence" on your part.

John

[Edited on 1-10-2019 by John Harper]

Tioloco - 1-10-2019 at 11:05 AM

Not sure what you mean John. I thought our government is here to provide protection and security.

John Harper - 1-10-2019 at 11:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Not sure what you mean John. I thought our government is here to provide protection and security.


I mean that what people do on their private property has nothing to do with national sovereignty or border control. All walls are not the same. You can't compare someone's gated, private community to a national border, which is a public issue, not a private one. It needs to be decided by our representatives in Congress, not the local homeowner's group.

Protection and security is provided by the DOD, DHS, local authorities, etc. They are government entities, which involves all of us. A private security guard at a gated community is a hardly the same thing.

John

[Edited on 1-10-2019 by John Harper]

Tioloco - 1-10-2019 at 11:15 AM

I can agree with you that not all walls are the same. I also agree that this should be decided by our Congressional representatives. I am disappointed that our elected officials are seemingly unable to get things done and instead spend all their time pointing fingers and trying to make themselves look good.

JoeJustJoe - 1-10-2019 at 11:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
How many people have considered the implications of a wall and have removed the fencing between their neighbors? Must be a crisis brewing with the landfills being overwhelmed with fence material and all. I hope someone can figure out a viable recycling project for all of this material that is going to waste. Until that is figured out, I will keep the wall around my house- just doing my part to be green.


I don't have a fence between me and my neighbors, and I don't feel unsafe at all. If somebody comes over who is not invited, I will be alerted by my dogs, and if they are a threat I will either call the police, or bring out weapons, with includes guns.

A wall will be a waste of money and will not stop a determined persons who can always go around, under, or through the wall......you also don't own the USA

LancairDriver - 1-10-2019 at 11:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
The bottom line is even with a new wall we need more border patrol officers and personnel to handle all of the immigrants seeking asylum. With the new technology and more border patrol personnel we can do without a useless and expensive wall. We can do more agents/personnel w/o a wall, but you can't do a wall w/o more agents/personnel. so why bother with a presidential vanity project expensive that only his idiotic base wants?


I have a great high tech security system that alerts me to any intrusion on my property wherever I am on my smart phone. I can watch any intrusion in real time. By the time I can call police and they can respond, the intruder is long gone. A poor solution would be hiring enough police to carpet every inch of territory and pay for that. I would much prefer a wall like the celebrity’s and politicians have. The US system is now set up requiring those breaching the US borders to be admitted until their case for asylum can be evaluated. An open border and high tech detection invites the mobs swarming the border and simply being able to watch as it happens. We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar yearly deficit without taking on more.

John Harper - 1-10-2019 at 11:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar yearly deficit without taking on more.


Like tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations we can't afford? Like corporate welfare (subsidies and price support) to farms, oil companies (depletion allowances, cheap exploration leases), etc? How about our bloated DOD budget that supports the MIC (Boeing/Northrop/Halliburton)?

Have you ever considered those programs as "welfare" or just poor people, unemployed, asylum seekers, refugees, and starving children?

John

[Edited on 1-10-2019 by John Harper]

Tioloco - 1-10-2019 at 11:28 AM

LancairDriver- Spot on!

Tioloco - 1-10-2019 at 11:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar yearly deficit without taking on more.


Like tax cuts for the wealthy we can't afford? Like corporate welfare to farms, oil companies, etc? Like our bloated DOD budget that supports the MIC? Have you ever considered those programs as "welfare" or just poor people, unemployed, asylum seekers, refugees, and starving children?


John





[Edited on 1-10-2019 by Tioloco]

Tioloco - 1-10-2019 at 11:34 AM

Exactly like those as well, John

LancairDriver - 1-10-2019 at 12:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar yearly deficit without taking on more.


Like tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations we can't afford? Like corporate welfare (subsidies and price support) to farms, oil companies (depletion allowances, cheap exploration leases), etc? How about our bloated DOD budget that supports the MIC (Boeing/Northrop/Halliburton)?

Have you ever considered those programs as "welfare" or just poor people, unemployed, asylum seekers, refugees, and starving children?

John
[Edited on 1-10-2019 by John Harper]


I don’t think there is anyone who opposes the programs you mention any more than I do, unless it is Ron Paul.
Today it was reported the Pentagon is having to return som 27 billion to Congress that they couldn’t spend fast enough and have to return. What happens to this money? Unfortunately there isn’t a single district in the US that doesn’t have a politician beholden to supporting most of these programs. Ever watch the chaos when they try to close some military or other government facility? It is political suicide for the politician whose district contains one of these facilities to support closing it. A good start would be to get the sheep to stop believing the scare tactics employed to justify supporting 100+military bases around the world that they justify by hyping the idea we are in mortal danger from foreign entities. Cutting back drastically on this bloated budget could free up a fortune in US infrastructure projects that would employ legal citizens who want to work and cut down on the need for massive welfare payments.

John Harper - 1-10-2019 at 12:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar yearly deficit without taking on more.


Like tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations we can't afford? Like corporate welfare (subsidies and price support) to farms, oil companies (depletion allowances, cheap exploration leases), etc? How about our bloated DOD budget that supports the MIC (Boeing/Northrop/Halliburton)?

Have you ever considered those programs as "welfare" or just poor people, unemployed, asylum seekers, refugees, and starving children?

John
[Edited on 1-10-2019 by John Harper]


I don’t think there is anyone who opposes the programs you mention any more than I do, unless it is Ron Paul.
Today it was reported the Pentagon is having to return som 27 billion to Congress that they couldn’t spend fast enough and have to return. What happens to this money? Unfortunately there isn’t a single district in the US that doesn’t have a politician beholden to supporting most of these programs. Ever watch the chaos when they try to close some military or other government facility? It is political suicide for the politician whose district contains one of these facilities to support closing it. A good start would be to get the sheep to stop believing the scare tactics employed to justify supporting 100+military bases around the world that they justify by hyping the idea we are in mortal danger from foreign entities. Cutting back drastically on this bloated budget could free up a fortune in US infrastructure projects that would employ legal citizens who want to work and cut down on the need for massive welfare payments.


That will never happen, it makes too much sense.

John

Bubba - 1-10-2019 at 02:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
The bottom line is even with a new wall we need more border patrol officers and personnel to handle all of the immigrants seeking asylum. With the new technology and more border patrol personnel we can do without a useless and expensive wall. We can do more agents/personnel w/o a wall, but you can't do a wall w/o more agents/personnel. so why bother with a presidential vanity project expensive that only his idiotic base wants?


I have a great high tech security system that alerts me to any intrusion on my property wherever I am on my smart phone. I can watch any intrusion in real time. By the time I can call police and they can respond, the intruder is long gone. A poor solution would be hiring enough police to carpet every inch of territory and pay for that. I would much prefer a wall like the celebrity’s and politicians have. The US system is now set up requiring those breaching the US borders to be admitted until their case for asylum can be evaluated. An open border and high tech detection invites the mobs swarming the border and simply being able to watch as it happens. We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar yearly deficit without taking on more.


Winner!

JoeJustJoe - 1-11-2019 at 04:21 PM

Today 800,000 Federal workers were not paid because of the wall Gov shutdown.

Today in the news, the border patrol, showed Trump, where tunnels have already been dug where there is already an existing wall.

Test on the prototype steel slats, show a chain saw could cut right through them.

It looks like the wall is pretty ineffective, yet the President is standing firm for this base and the pundits
_________________________________

Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prot...

DaliDali - 1-11-2019 at 06:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Today 800,000 Federal workers were not paid because of the wall Gov shutdown.

Today in the news, the border patrol, showed Trump, where tunnels have already been dug where there is already an existing wall.

Test on the prototype steel slats, show a chain saw could cut right through them.

It looks like the wall is pretty ineffective, yet the President is standing firm for this base and the pundits
_________________________________

Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prot...


You left out a few qualifiers..

"Responding to the picture from the South Lawn of the White House on Thursday morning, Trump claimed "that’s a wall designed by previous administrations."
While it is true that previous administrations used this design, the prototype was built during his administration"

"While the design currently being constructed was informed by what we learned in the prototypes, it does not replicate those designs," said Waldman.

"The steel bollard design is internally reinforced with materials that require time and multiple industrial tools to breach, thereby providing U.S. Border Patrol agents additional response time to affect a successful law enforcement resolution. In the event that one of the steel bollards becomes damaged, it is quick and cost-effective to repair"

"The professionals on the border know that a wall system is intended not only to prevent entry, it is intended to defer and to increase the amount of time and effort it takes for one to enter so that we can respond with limited border patrol agents. Even a wall that is being breached is a valuable tool in that it allows us to respond to the attempted illegal entry."

In response to KPBS, CBP spokesman Ralph DeSio said the prototypes "were not and cannot be designed to be indestructible," but were designed to "impede or deny efforts to scale, breach, or dig under such a barrier, giving agents time to respond."

Pay keen attention to:...."The professionals on the border" which YOU are not.

At any rate......a chain saw to slice through steel is STOOOOPID.
Stick with oak or pine logs for a chain saw.




[Edited on 1-12-2019 by DaliDali]

John Harper - 1-11-2019 at 08:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
At any rate......a chain saw to slice through steel is STOOOOPID.


I wonder what a couple drums of ANFO would do?

John

The Need to Get Past Trump

MrBillM - 1-12-2019 at 10:18 AM

As great as it would be to move past Trump, it doesn't look likely in (at least) the near future.

Although there are parallels, unlike an infestation of Cockroaches, baited traps won't work in his case.

Barring a Lucky Strike, 2020 may be the earliest we have a chance of saying A - M - F to the Ass.

AOC is a Gift

MrBillM - 1-12-2019 at 03:38 PM

To the GOP.

The most over-hyped inexperienced politician since Jesse Ventura is guaranteed to provide the Fox network with a regular stream of inflammatory and inappropriate comments on a weekly basis unless she's restrained by Madame Speaker.

John Harper - 1-12-2019 at 06:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
To the GOP.

The most over-hyped inexperienced politician since Jesse Ventura is guaranteed to provide the Fox network with a regular stream of inflammatory and inappropriate comments on a weekly basis unless she's restrained by Madame Speaker.


+1

John

Bubba - 1-13-2019 at 04:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
To the GOP.

The most over-hyped inexperienced politician since Jesse Ventura is guaranteed to provide the Fox network with a regular stream of inflammatory and inappropriate comments on a weekly basis unless she's restrained by Madame Speaker.


+1

John


+2

JoeJustJoe - 1-13-2019 at 10:04 AM

Oh what a shame(sham) that GoFundMe decided to refund all the money to those who contributed to build the wall. They are very lucky they are even getting their money back from the scammers.

The GoFundMe Campaign to Build Trump’s Wall Crashes and Burns

Somebody took it Seriously ?

MrBillM - 1-13-2019 at 10:50 AM

Well, "there's one born every minute" so they say.

John Harper - 1-13-2019 at 11:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
Well, "there's one born every minute" so they say.


63 million in the U.S. alone.

John