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1947 AAA Baja Roadtrip report

defrag4 - 3-19-2019 at 02:08 PM

Fellow baja lover shared this article with me, she said she found it while shuffling through her fathers old papers. Pretty awesome!

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=046798477976050...


















StuckSucks - 3-19-2019 at 03:23 PM

We have it very easy these days! A fun read -- following along in my mind where the road crissed and crossed the peninsula.

And we whine about potholes in the road.

David K - 3-19-2019 at 05:01 PM

Thank you very much defrag4. History only happens once and when you can save it and share it with others, well, it is all that more enjoyable.

Here is a 1941 road map and log with the heavy black line being the main road (not a paved road):











Before 1971, the main road went through Comondú, not Loreto... which was on a dead end road then. Note the many places the word "Unexplored" appears. Here is a close up of a part of the map:


TMW - 3-19-2019 at 05:30 PM

Excellent stuff, love it.

Mexitron - 3-19-2019 at 09:28 PM

Awesome glimpse into the past, thanks for sharing!

4x4abc - 3-20-2019 at 10:49 AM

David,

do you have a scan with better resolution?

David K - 3-20-2019 at 11:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
David,

do you have a scan with better resolution?

Be more specific as to what you want to see, and I will try to help.

4x4abc - 3-20-2019 at 11:27 AM

I would like to see image 1-4 in higher resolution
like the quality of Comondu1941

[Edited on 3-20-2019 by 4x4abc]

David K - 3-20-2019 at 11:50 AM

That Comondu was simply a zoom in from the upper ones... Here are a few more zoom ins:

Colorado Delta:



Pole Line Rd area:



Valle de Trinidad area:



San Quintín area:



San Felipe South:



El Rosario South:



El Mármol area:



Mission Santa María & Calamajué area:





San Borja area:



Seven Sisters:



Vizcaíno Desert:




Bahía Asunción area:



Santa Rosalía area:



Concepción Bay area:



Comondú area:



Los Cabos:


4x4abc - 3-20-2019 at 12:57 PM

much better, David!

David K - 3-20-2019 at 01:13 PM

The 4 larger area maps are pretty high resolution (file size) so, if you just enlarge your screen zoom (hold down Alt and press +) you can zoom into an area of interest enough to see it well and it doesn't go too blurry.

fishbuck - 3-20-2019 at 02:29 PM

Wow. That is cool.
Can you imagine...
I would love to know who was flying in Baja then and what kind of planes.
Wow!:bounce:

4x4abc - 3-20-2019 at 03:30 PM

do you use a scanner?

David K - 3-20-2019 at 03:49 PM

Yes... not easy with wide, rolled paper maps!

4x4abc - 3-20-2019 at 04:11 PM

how about the old road south of Cataviña?
any pics?

David K - 3-20-2019 at 04:23 PM

It was just a well-worn pair of ruts. If you ever did come upon another vehicle, one would need to pull fully off the road so the other could get by... Hwy. 1, before 1973!

Here are a pair of photos from an old Auto Club book showing Highway 1, 1964 edition.


David K - 3-20-2019 at 04:32 PM

Here is 'Highway 1', 21 miles south of El Rosario, as it was shown in the 1970 book 'Baja' by Doug Richmond.


David K - 3-20-2019 at 04:40 PM

The arroyo near (today's) Cataviña, also from Doug's 1970 book:



Cataviña was an abandoned site in the 1960s and early 70s. Rancho San Luis and Santa Ynez were the hot spots nearby. The modern Cataviña was born with the highway constructed through here in the Summer of 1973 as a site for one of the Paradors (rest stops) and El Presidente Hotels... plus an RV camping park, cafeteria, showers, gas station.

gueribo - 3-21-2019 at 10:01 AM

Great report and a cool find.

4x4abc - 3-21-2019 at 12:24 PM

still trying to make sense of the 1930's road around Rancho Canipolé
the remnants on the ground show different than the maps
I know the scale is not that accurate, but some vitals are missing

David K - 3-21-2019 at 12:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
still trying to make sense of the 1930's road around Rancho Canipolé
the remnants on the ground show different than the maps
I know the scale is not that accurate, but some vitals are missing


The 1962 maps by Howard Gulick are very accurate and the roads are probably the same as shown on the 1941 map (not as accurate). Canipolé was indeed on the main road to La Paz and the side road to Loreto branched there:




[Edited on 3-21-2019 by David K]

4x4abc - 3-21-2019 at 03:55 PM

Gulick's map shows the new Old Road
AAA shows the old Old Road

I took the liberty and put the 1930's road into Gulick's map
main point is that the 1930's road does not hit Rancho Canipolé from the north
for the last 3 miles it is coming from the southwest

that 1930's road is one of the coolest in Baja - a little rough for 4x4 (I have done most of it) - easy for bikes


4x4abc - 3-21-2019 at 04:35 PM

I am proposing that the AAA map was wrong when it comes to Canipolé
correction below - Canipolé needs to be moved to the new intersection
and of course there is no Conbedor Cr.


4x4abc - 3-21-2019 at 04:53 PM

here is today's layout


David K - 3-21-2019 at 05:48 PM

Nice Harald... the 1941 map is not an AAA map, fyi.

4x4abc - 3-21-2019 at 05:54 PM

I will change my records

defrag4 - 3-21-2019 at 08:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Gulick's map shows the new Old Road
AAA shows the old Old Road

I took the liberty and put the 1930's road into Gulick's map
main point is that the 1930's road does not hit Rancho Canipolé from the north
for the last 3 miles it is coming from the southwest

that 1930's road is one of the coolest in Baja - a little rough for 4x4 (I have done most of it) - easy for bikes



:yes:

tell me more about this 1930 road?

4x4abc - 3-21-2019 at 08:57 PM

between 11 and 18 ft wide
some washouts
check it on Google Earth
starts here 26°32'33.94"N, 111°45'51.15"W
ends here 26°22'53.63"N, 111°42'6.57"W

4x4abc - 3-21-2019 at 09:00 PM

alternative end here: 26°21'32.81"N, 111°48'20.04"W
beautiful drive!

David K - 3-22-2019 at 07:56 AM

The 1941 map is not accurate as drawn (and you nicely added to the 1962 map). It was actually a "new" route made as a short cut. in the early 1960s, after the 1962 edition of the Lower California Guidebook. They mention it in the revised 1967 guidebook. My parents and I took it in 1966, as well.

See the bottom (Page 152) entry from this 1967 edition of the guidebook: