question for the Baja history experts
the bay north of La Paz is called "Igabia" on the 1757 Jesuit map
where is the name coming from?
David K - 6-1-2019 at 10:37 AM
Hi Harald,
I checked my index for the Dawson books (50 volumes, many Jesuit missionary authors), Harry Criosby's Antigua California (Jesuit Baja history) and
'Black Robes in Lower California' (Jesuit Baja history), and found no listing fro Igabia or Ygabia.
A Google search also has none.
In 2004, I posted my first scan of the 1757 map and there was some interesting discussion on it from Dr. Robert Jackson (academicanarchist) and Lee
Massey (bajalera). Here is that thread: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=2414
The images posted back then are no longer on Nomad... Here are scans of the 1757 Venegas/ Jesuit propaganda map (data on it is from 1747):
Closer in north and south halves:
Is it the Bay ?
MrBillM - 6-1-2019 at 11:39 AM
Or a name given to that shoreline ?4x4abc - 6-1-2019 at 03:41 PM
since we are on this old map - can't make sense of Mission de S. Rosa.
4x4abc - 6-1-2019 at 03:50 PM
misplaced Todos Santos?David K - 6-1-2019 at 04:36 PM
Yes, in a sense:
The creator of this map confused the San José del Cabo mission visita of Santa Rosa with the new mission of Santa Rosa de las Palmas at Todos Santos.Barry A. - 6-1-2019 at 04:50 PM
Good question, Bill. I too am inclined to think "shoreline".David K - 6-2-2019 at 10:21 AM
Interesting also that there is one and two of those long s letters in the abbreviated word Mission. Santa Rosa has one and San José has two...??4x4abc - 6-2-2019 at 10:23 AM
Yes, in a sense:
The creator of this map confused the San José del Cabo mission visita of Santa Rosa with the new mission of Santa Rosa de las Palmas at Todos Santos.
Visita Santa Rosa?
Donde?4x4abc - 6-2-2019 at 10:38 AM
I am amazed of the many mistakes on this Jesuit map
There is no I. (Isla) de San Lorenzo between Pichilingue and Isla Espiritu Santo
but I like the creative place names
Sierra del Enfado - the mountains of anger
with the help of Spanish experts we narrowing in on "Igabia" - the saddle
whether it is referring to the steep sierra or the coastline is in the air
David K - 6-2-2019 at 10:41 AM
The next town north of San José del Cabo... Santa Rosa, named from the visita.
In the (most excellent) Lower California Guidebook, are the details:
David K - 6-4-2019 at 04:58 PM
Maybe Harald has a 1750's Spanish dictionary source? Words do change over the years.
As for incorrect names, it is really the mapmaker's free hand. If in the 1750s he didn't know the name (or even if he did) he could gain some
popularity if he uses names of his own choosing.4x4abc - 6-4-2019 at 07:35 PM
my Mexican friends who found "saddle" for Gabia can't remember their source.
And they found Gabia and not Igabia.
Las Gabias is a district in Spainmtgoat666 - 6-4-2019 at 08:24 PM
