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Would you take someone to your favorite fishing hole?

AKgringo - 9-12-2019 at 01:20 PM

This has nothing to do with fishing, but with sharing! The analogy is when I used to fish farm ponds and streams in northern California.

No matter how much a friend promises to keep it to themselves, they usually will come back with a friend, who also promises to keep the secret! Pretty soon, it is fished out, or there are keep out signs!

I feel the same way about some of the ranch roads in Baja! I am thankful for the information I have gained from this forum, and it is the primary attraction for me. I have even tried to contribute what I can about conditions on traditional old roads, commonly used off road trails and campsites.

Having said that, there is at least one pretty neat ranch road that I have used, that would probably become "over used" very quickly if I posted it here! I do not want to promote more locked gates!

Now getting back to sharing with friends, would you take someone else with you on an obscure, but desirable route?

vandy - 9-12-2019 at 02:02 PM

Only people sworn against motors.
Nothing worse than noise, waves, stink
and dangerous negligence to make my
favorite spots untenable.

I noticed that this year's list of things to bring
to Mexico include a 12v fence charger to
keep dogs out of camp.

Good luck keeping it private!
I remember cruising every back road I could find
in my Toyota pickup in the 1980s.
I thought I had it made until I saw "Baja Catch".
Dang!

chuckie - 9-12-2019 at 02:27 PM

NO

MMc - 9-12-2019 at 02:44 PM

I share over a campfire, after I know you. I surf and have watched many places become ghettos over the years. I also perfer that people do their own research than depend on others. I give you the name of the place and you can figure out how to get there.
A two track becomes a lane, the lane becomes a road, pretty soon it gets graded. Something about bad roads and good people. The more people that take the road the better it becomes. If you have a business, you promote it. You will live with consequences of your promotion. People that go once in a while that promote the place don't have to live with whatever happens to the place.
I see a major difference between sharing over a campfire and posting it on the web.

Bajaboy - 9-12-2019 at 03:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
This has nothing to do with fishing, but with sharing! The analogy is when I used to fish farm ponds and streams in northern California.

No matter how much a friend promises to keep it to themselves, they usually will come back with a friend, who also promises to keep the secret! Pretty soon, it is fished out, or there are keep out signs!

I feel the same way about some of the ranch roads in Baja! I am thankful for the information I have gained from this forum, and it is the primary attraction for me. I have even tried to contribute what I can about conditions on traditional old roads, commonly used off road trails and campsites.

Having said that, there is at least one pretty neat ranch road that I have used, that would probably become "over used" very quickly if I posted it here! I do not want to promote more locked gates!

Now getting back to sharing with friends, would you take someone else with you on an obscure, but desirable route?


How did you find your favorite fishing hole?

SFandH - 9-12-2019 at 03:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MMc  

I see a major difference between sharing over a campfire and posting it on the web.


Exactly. Share with good friends, face to face. I have favorite Baja spots I seldom talk about or take photos of.

AKgringo - 9-12-2019 at 04:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  


How did you find your favorite fishing hole?


Most of my favorites I found exploring by myself, many of them on a bicycle before I was old enough to drive!

motoged - 9-12-2019 at 07:10 PM

Gary et al,
Last year a friend visited me in Bahia Asuncion and we shared three days of riding. I took him on my favourite rides.... some areas have never been explored by motorcycle to my knowledge.

After one particular day, I made it clear I did not want him to share the GPS tracks of some of the rides I had turned him on to. He seemed surprised and offended with my request....and indicated that he would share the tracks....and when I made it clear that I did not want him to, it certainly cooled the conversation.

But this guy waypointed every tienda and dog I showed him on the tour through town and which ones had what....so he was a bit zealous with his GPSing....

Lately I have noticed some Nomads asking for others to plan all his adventurous riding....rather than show some initiative to not be spoonfed where to go and what to do in Baja....:rolleyes:

"Outing" special spots is something I don't do anymore.

I have even found some of my photographs from my ADV rider and Baja Nomad ride reports included in other folks' ride reports.....I don't write them anymore.

"Find your own fishing hole" is my current thinking on the issue.

mtgoat666 - 9-12-2019 at 08:33 PM

Don’t share locations and info with people like DK and Jizz. They are all over the web flapping their lips, sharing locations, posting maps and photos willy nilly.
The best places in baja cannot be driven to, and are best kept secret.

Loose lips sink ships!

JZ - 9-12-2019 at 08:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Don’t share locations and info with people like DK and Jizz. They are all over the web flapping their lips, sharing locations, posting maps and photos willy nilly.
The best places in baja cannot be driven to, and are best kept secret.

Loose lips sink ships!


This the only site I post about Baja you numbnut. I'll leave Facebook to you and the others.

The very best places in Baja can only be accessed by boat. Too bad you'll never see them.





KasloKid - 9-12-2019 at 10:25 PM

Pretty simple when I take a friend to secret places on our dirt bikes...
I request that he hands over his gps. If he refuses, well, we don't go.

paranewbi - 9-13-2019 at 05:01 AM

In my old age, I guess I've figured out that nothing belongs to me. I can caretake a possession or place, and maybe a stranger, but I know life is not in my control.

The egocentrism of selfishness is not an attribute, it is paranoia.
I guess that's why I was taught to share; paranoia is way to busy.

I still catch 6th street reef in Del Mar with no one out occasionally.
On those days I'm glad I shared it with all my buddies fifty years ago and surf with those memories. Come on out.

AKgringo - 9-13-2019 at 07:35 AM

Paranewbie, this is not about selfishness, or being unwilling to share. It is about respect....for the land, and the active rancher who caretakes a crucial part of it!

For all I know, it may no longer be open. It has been five years since I found myself on it, I will check it out again this fall.

David K - 9-13-2019 at 08:23 AM

Isn't Baja Nomad our campfire and aren't Baja Nomads our friends? I guess I am just so much the optimist that I think people here are good people. Nomads are not the ones who leave trash behind or paint graffiti on rocks.

That said, anytime someone has shared with me a site that I haven't been to and then asked me to not post the GPS for it on the Internet, I have complied.

What I don't get is what are the few people, who are so against sharing, doing on Nomad (a place to get information on Baja locations)? Taking without giving back is a bit uncool. It's like they are hall monitors here waiting to chastise us for not being what they think is a good Baja traveler. One even likes to tell us how we are to enjoy Baja (walk there only and don't eat so much).

SFandH - 9-13-2019 at 08:59 AM

There's a nice spot on the water close to where I normally go every winter that is free. All the surrounding places are 10 dollars a night or something like that. Last winter there were a lot more people there than usual, sort of ruining the attractiveness of the area. People weren't hauling out their trash, others were setting up barricades, staking out their territory, and arguments ensued. Turns out the fact that it is a free spot went sort of viral on the Baja traveler Internet.

And, I used to surf and remember when there actually were good breaks that only veteran Baja surfers knew about. Of course, that's long gone, thanks to the Internet.

You post stuff here and it could end up on Tripadvisor dot com next week.

geoffff - 9-13-2019 at 09:31 AM

Hi... reformed oversharer here...

I love discovering obscure places to explore, and have in turn wanted to help others experience this joy as well.

Over the years, I've received a number of requests to remove GPS coordinates and other specific location-identifying information I've posted about "sensitive" locations. After my initial feelings of outrage, I turn it around in my head for a while, and pretty much always come to agree that, yes, perhaps some caution is justified. In the end, I do retract these specific identifying details.

I have fantasized about writing my ultimate backroad guidebook to Baja, but I've come to realize this isn't necessarily a good idea.

I do share a lot of GPS coordinates in my posts and website, but not for rock art and places like that.

When people share location treasures with me, I am grateful for the gift. I do my best to respect this trust by not oversharing.

As for sharing details here on BajaNomad - this forum is Google-searchable. A forum post on BajaNomad is a share to the whole internet.

Maybe it's better to share GPS coordinates of more sensitive locations only by PM?

[Edited on 9-13-2019 by geoffff]

Mulege Canuck - 9-13-2019 at 09:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by geoffff  
Hi... reformed oversharer here...

I love discovering obscure places to explore, and have in turn wanted to help others experience this joy as well.

Over the years, I've received a number of requests to remove GPS coordinates and other specific location-identifying information I've posted about "sensitive" locations. After my initial feelings of outrage, I turn it around in my head for a while, and pretty much always come to agree that, yes, perhaps some caution is justified. In the end, I do retract these specific identifying details.

I have fantasized about writing my ultimate backroad guidebook to Baja, but I've come to realize this isn't necessarily a good idea.

I do share a lot of GPS coordinates in my posts and website, but not for rock art and places like that.

When people share location treasures with me, I am grateful for the gift. I do my best to respect this trust by not oversharing.

As for sharing details here on BajaNomad - this forum is Google-searchable. A forum post on BajaNomad is a share to the whole internet.

Maybe it's better to share GPS coordinates of more sensitive locations only by PM?

[Edited on 9-13-2019 by geoffff]


I have been to a lot of the places you have posted. I appreciate you doing that. It seems as long as the road is bad, you won’t have to worry about crowds. Most people don’t want to scratch up their nice trucks or risk getting stuck, to get to remote spots.

I don’t give any info to “ Overlander types” from Europe anymore. They all have blogs and even if you ask to keep it quite, it seems to end up on the web.

I don’t share my fishing spots on Vancouver Island though.

motoged - 9-13-2019 at 09:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Isn't Baja Nomad our campfire and aren't Baja Nomads our friends? I guess I am just so much the optimist that I think people here are good people. Nomads are not the ones who leave trash behind or paint graffiti on rocks.
........

What I don't get is what are the few people, who are so against sharing, doing on Nomad (a place to get information on Baja locations)? Taking without giving back is a bit uncool. It's like they are hall monitors here waiting to chastise us for not being what they think is a good Baja traveler. One even likes to tell us how we are to enjoy Baja (walk there only and don't eat so much).


To use your campfire metaphor.... I enjoy a nice fire , but don't think it has to have a cord of wood on it to enjoy it the ambience.... , and don't want every swinging dick shoving me aside to roast their weenie.

Optimism has its limits....having poor boundaries has its liabilities.

And not every Nomad is my friend.... I am not that naive or needy.

I have seen Nomads throw their beer cans willy-nilly ... and the cyber equivalent of graffiti on rocks might be GPS tracks all over the internet.... different sorts of trash.... (one man's garbage is another's treasure....blah blah....)

This isn't about the moral failing of not sharing every thought that bounces out of one's brain.... it's about how we think and feel about how to manage our favourite fishing holes ...

Splattering maps and tracks all over the place doesn't make one a better person, David....it is helpful for some and offensive to others. It is a bit arrogant to try to take the high road here.

Actually, you sound like a hall monitor judging what and who are cool.... and who give and/or take....

Keep up with your map-mania....some love it, some don't pay much attention to it, and others say....whatever.

Maps display boundaries.....perhaps some sitting around this fire can examine their own boundaries.:light:

del mar - 9-13-2019 at 10:27 AM

im sure glad thirty years ago two guys named Neil and Gene weren't shy about sharing a spot :D

David K - 9-13-2019 at 10:31 AM

Why are you on Nomad if not to gain something? If you don't want to see more Baja on the Internet, then avoid Baja websites. Please don't lecture the rest of us on what is moral just because you don't want to share anymore. Your trip report with dtbushpilot was very nice (except for your busting your foot, ouch). I think you made some nice contacts here on Nomad. Is it fair that once you found paradise the door to it must be slammed closed? Baja should not be easy but it should also not be closed. Bad roads bring good people, after all. Good roads and not the Internet is what brings in bad people.

SFandH - 9-13-2019 at 10:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
im sure glad thirty years ago two guys named Neil and Gene weren't shy about sharing a spot :D


30 years ago was before the Internet browser. That's the difference, and it's a huge difference.

[Edited on 9-13-2019 by SFandH]

SFandH - 9-13-2019 at 10:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Bad roads bring good people, after all. Good roads and not the Internet is what brings in bad people.


Bad roads limit the number of people, both good and bad. Good roads bring more people, both good and bad.

Advertising on the Internet with GPS coordinates and photos brings more people, both good and bad, down all roads, both good and bad.


[Edited on 9-13-2019 by SFandH]

David K - 9-13-2019 at 10:57 AM

I disagree.
So, there we go... Some are on Nomad to learn more about Baja and some want nobody to learn more.

Bad people don't search the Internet for places to trash. They also don't buy 4x4s to get to remote places to trash. That's my experience after 55 years since first traveling there.

Bajazly - 9-13-2019 at 11:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
...Bad roads bring good people, after all. Good roads and not the Internet is what brings in bad people.


Too many good people at one time is a bad thing esp in a limited resource and the more people who come no matter how good they are, the better the road gets.

SFandH - 9-13-2019 at 11:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
...Bad roads bring good people, after all. Good roads and not the Internet is what brings in bad people.


Too many good people at one time is a bad thing esp in a limited resource and the more people who come no matter how good they are, the better the road gets.


That's true. That's what happened with the surf breaks (at the end of long, bad roads) and the Internet was the main reason.


[Edited on 9-13-2019 by SFandH]

motoged - 9-13-2019 at 11:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I disagree.
So, there we go... Some are on Nomad to learn more about Baja and some want nobody to learn more.

Bad people don't search the Internet for places to trash. They also don't buy 4x4s to get to remote places to trash. That's my experience after 55 years since first traveling there.


David,
Your reductionist thinking here is quite divisive....

Suggesting some Nomads "want nobody to learn more" is nothing short of silly.

I use the forum for entertainment, being reminded how 30 % of Americans think about things, and for information relevant to my curiosity....

This isn't about "bad people" (a theme your orange clown guy promotes), just some bad choices regarding dissemination of Baja places....



[Edited on 9-13-2019 by motoged]

ehall - 9-13-2019 at 12:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I disagree.
So, there we go... Some are on Nomad to learn more about Baja and some want nobody to learn more.

Bad people don't search the Internet for places to trash. They also don't buy 4x4s to get to remote places to trash. That's my experience after 55 years since first traveling there.


David,
Your reductionist thinking here is quite divisive....

Suggesting some Nomads "want nobody to learn more" is nothing short of silly.

I use the forum for entertainment, being reminded how 30 % of Americans think about things, and for information relevant to my curiosity....

This isn't about "bad people" (a theme your orange clown guy promotes), just some bad choices regarding dissemination of Baja places....



[Edited on 9-13-2019 by motoged]




All this talk about bad roads, good people and places makes me want another camping trip this winter. You going to be around?

David K - 9-13-2019 at 12:45 PM

Why wait till winter!??:D:biggrin:

John Harper - 9-13-2019 at 02:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
In my old age, I guess I've figured out that nothing belongs to me. I can caretake a possession or place, and maybe a stranger, but I know life is not in my control.

The egocentrism of selfishness is not an attribute, it is paranoia.
I guess that's why I was taught to share; paranoia is way to busy.


Well stated, and I agree.

John

ehall - 9-13-2019 at 02:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Why wait till winter!??:D:biggrin:


Outage at work. No time off till 2nd week of December.

Tioloco - 9-13-2019 at 02:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I disagree.
So, there we go... Some are on Nomad to learn more about Baja and some want nobody to learn more.

Bad people don't search the Internet for places to trash. They also don't buy 4x4s to get to remote places to trash. That's my experience after 55 years since first traveling there.


David,
Your reductionist thinking here is quite divisive....

Suggesting some Nomads "want nobody to learn more" is nothing short of silly.

I use the forum for entertainment, being reminded how 30 % of Americans think about things, and for information relevant to my curiosity....

This isn't about "bad people" (a theme your orange clown guy promotes), just some bad choices regarding dissemination of Baja places....



[Edited on 9-13-2019 by motoged]




Talk about divisive...:rolleyes:

motoged - 9-13-2019 at 02:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Why wait till winter!??:D:biggrin:


He was talking to me , David....:rolleyes:

motoged - 9-13-2019 at 02:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ehall  
....

All this talk about bad roads, good people and places makes me want another camping trip this winter. You going to be around?


Ed,
I would love to, but Oaxaca for a month is this year's plan.... I will post my daily GPS co-ords daily once down there...:lol:

Re: Baja ...it might be two years before I get back down...and will once again locate somewhere in the Vizcaino peninsula area....

But thanks for the invite.:saint:

motoged - 9-13-2019 at 02:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  


Talk about divisive...:rolleyes:


30% peanut gallery....

Tioloco - 9-13-2019 at 03:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  


Talk about divisive...:rolleyes:


30% peanut gallery....



Look within for the peanut gallery. Its closer than you think.

MMc - 9-13-2019 at 03:18 PM

Many of the people that love to share are travelers, they don't post up at a spot and hang for more than a day or two. I tend to post up 7 to 15 nights. I think I see the place at a micro level and not at a macro level. I hang with others that do the same.
If you use surf world as an example look at Scorpion"s or Abreojos, folks came in and found a way to purchase their bit of paradise. These are not just a drop in places, they require effort to get to.
Go to The Wall, or other points along that cost in the winter, there are crowds camping. 20 years ago there were less people going there.
Overlanding blogs post up free camping spots all over Baja.
Surfing and overlanding bring all kinds of people both good and bad. This is a resource for both groups, they are motivated to go to Baja.

Bajazly - 9-13-2019 at 03:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MMc  
...
Overlanding blogs post up free camping spots all over Baja.
Surfing and overlanding bring all kinds of people both good and bad. This is a resource for both groups, they are motivated to go to Baja.


We just need to remind them how scary and dangerous it is here. Last night sitting out in front of my house as I do most nights, this guy came crawling right up beside my feet, pretty sure his intent was my death to rid me of his home.:biggrin:



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Tioloco - 9-13-2019 at 04:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  
Quote: Originally posted by MMc  
...
Overlanding blogs post up free camping spots all over Baja.
Surfing and overlanding bring all kinds of people both good and bad. This is a resource for both groups, they are motivated to go to Baja.


We just need to remind them how scary and dangerous it is here. Last night sitting out in front of my house as I do most nights, this guy came crawling right up beside my feet, pretty sure his intent was my death to rid me of his home.:biggrin:






I think he wants the Tecate!

David K - 9-13-2019 at 08:30 PM

When the tarantula is near, it's time for a beer!

4x4abc - 9-14-2019 at 01:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Bad roads bring good people, after all. Good roads and not the Internet is what brings in bad people.


Bad roads limit the number of people, both good and bad. Good roads bring more people, both good and bad.

Advertising on the Internet with GPS coordinates and photos brings more people, both good and bad, down all roads, both good and bad.


[Edited on 9-13-2019 by SFandH]


good to see that there are still some clear thinkers out there

I see the internet as a new, good, easy road - brings a lot of traffic

4x4abc - 9-14-2019 at 01:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I disagree.
So, there we go... Some are on Nomad to learn more about Baja and some want nobody to learn more.

Bad people don't search the Internet for places to trash. They also don't buy 4x4s to get to remote places to trash. That's my experience after 55 years since first traveling there.


people do indeed buy 4x4s and other motor vehicles to trash Baja. Baja because it is wide open. No rangers. No consequences.
If they call themselves Desert Assassins you know what to expect.
Your buddy Cameron Steele is bad for Baja.
And on the subject of sharing - he splashes the wonders of Baja all over TV.
Opening another new road.

mtgoat666 - 9-14-2019 at 02:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I disagree.
So, there we go... Some are on Nomad to learn more about Baja and some want nobody to learn more.

Bad people don't search the Internet for places to trash. They also don't buy 4x4s to get to remote places to trash. That's my experience after 55 years since first traveling there.


people do indeed buy 4x4s and other motor vehicles to trash Baja. Baja because it is wide open. No rangers. No consequences.
If they call themselves Desert Assassins you know what to expect.
Your buddy Cameron Steele is bad for Baja.
And on the subject of sharing - he splashes the wonders of Baja all over TV.
Opening another new road.


High-speed off-road full size pickups are driven to destroy. That Cameron Steele guy and his Assassins are @sshats. His videos are advertisements for himself. He has found suckers that sponsor him or provide free labor for his destructive off-road tours and his shop that sells off-road bling.
Off-roaders usually rip up roads, especially the ones that are off-roading for speed thrills instead of slow sight seeing trips.

4x4abc - 9-14-2019 at 10:12 AM

there was a standoff this week in Baja Norte. Ranchers had enough of the crowd ripping through their land. Blocked the road. That they were dirt bikes and Razors makes it only marginally worse. Guns were drawn and it was pretty nasty shouting. The "fun" crowd was Mexican. They only copy what they learn from us.

AKgringo - 9-14-2019 at 10:18 AM

Harald, do you have a location for that incident? Another reason to "share" is to avoid problem areas!

David K - 9-14-2019 at 10:26 AM

Cameron raises and donates thousands of dollars to help Baja, annually. Rancho Santa Marta Orphanage near San Vicente being one.

The Arce men you may have seen in one of the episodes I posted now have tents and cots given to them by Cameron. He asked them when we were there in May what could he do for them or bring them when he returns with the tour in June. Cameron does give back.

Malcolm Smith helps an orphanage near San Matias.

del mar - 9-14-2019 at 04:26 PM

the Steele's number one priority is marketing the Steele's.......love em hate em either way those two can drive!:P

4x4abc - 9-14-2019 at 05:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Harald, do you have a location for that incident? Another reason to "share" is to avoid problem areas!


no, I don't. It was a couple of videos on facebook. Somewhere between Ensenada and Tijuana

del mar - 9-14-2019 at 05:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Harald, do you have a location for that incident? Another reason to "share" is to avoid problem areas!


no, I don't. It was a couple of videos on facebook. Somewhere between Ensenada and Tijuana


https://www.facebook.com/bajasports1/videos/382376842663265/...

mtgoat666 - 9-14-2019 at 07:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Harald, do you have a location for that incident? Another reason to "share" is to avoid problem areas!


no, I don't. It was a couple of videos on facebook. Somewhere between Ensenada and Tijuana


https://www.facebook.com/bajasports1/videos/382376842663265/...


More proof that off-roaders are @ssholes. Looks like private rural roads among farms and ranch land, can’t blame locals for wanting to shoot the @ssholes making noise and dust. If it was my land, I would have shot up their vehicles, made them walk home.
Was that a Cameron steel group?

Lee - 9-14-2019 at 08:05 PM

I'll stick to the first discussion. Anyone thinking they own a ''secret'' fishing hole or surf break is living in their own little world. And that's fine. These not too evolved souls want things for themselves, and that's fine too.

If I were to tell someone about a special place, why would I ask them to keep it a secret? Am I setting myself up for failure? When they break the promise, then what?

If fish are biting where I fish, guaranteed there will be 100 Mexicans shoulder to shoulder there at dawn. Fortunately, they don't fish with headlamps so I'll have about an hour in the dark before they can see what they're doing.

KasloKid - 9-14-2019 at 10:28 PM

I know this has nothing to do with the original posting of taking someone to their fav fishing hole, but I'm hoping that someone who has watched the Facebook video can identify the sign in the video as to its location.

I agree that it takes just a few (or as in the video, a lot) riders to disrespect land owners (legal or perceived as legal owners) to screw it royally for the majority of us who are sensitive to these issues. I'd be peeed as well if yahoos continually treated my back yard as if it was their own personal playground. Myself, I always make it a point to stop and talk to the majority of people we see on our travels, stop and pull over with engines stopped if we see a rider on a horse, and slow to no dust riding by homes.



[Edited on 9-15-2019 by KasloKid]

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David K - 9-15-2019 at 12:51 AM

Post the link to the video so we can see more of the area. Looks like near San Vicente?

4x4abc - 9-15-2019 at 03:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Post the link to the video so we can see more of the area. Looks like near San Vicente?


posted on 9-14-2019 at 17:52

mtgoat666 - 9-15-2019 at 07:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by KasloKid  


I'd be peeed as well if yahoos continually treated my back yard as if it was their own personal playground. Myself, I always make it a point to stop and talk to the majority of people we see on our travels, stop and pull over with engines stopped if we see a rider on a horse, and slow to no dust riding by homes.


Kaslo, your behaviour is saint-like, you will be awarded a dozen brownie points today.
Unfortunately, the majority of off-roaders do not do what you do. Especially when they travel in large groups like in the video.

Don Pisto - 9-15-2019 at 09:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Post the link to the video so we can see more of the area. Looks like near San Vicente?


I thought it was the Compadre trail?

David K - 9-15-2019 at 09:24 AM

Thanks Harald. The video was short, so no idea of what the road going there looks like. Recorded voices are in Spanish. Is there more, Don Pisto?

Nikno - 9-15-2019 at 09:50 AM

That video was shot very near Tijuana. Basically in the mountains between TJ and Valle de Guadalupe. Kind of near El Gato. I have driven some of those trails. Not the friendliest place to ride. Lots of private property, lots of locked gates, lots of trails that end at a ranch or a fence. I would recommend avoiding that area for a number of reasons. Also, there are local tour operators that do ATV and motocross tours in the area. My guess is that this dispute has been simmering for years.

KasloKid - 9-15-2019 at 10:05 AM

mtgoat666
"Kaslo, your behaviour is saint-like, you will be awarded a dozen brownie points today. " Your sarcasm is noted...

I think I may have figured it out... the large lettering in the sign could be "Kumiai". The Kumiai are an indigenous group of people who's livelihood depends on eco-tourism. They are situated in the Guadalupe Valley wine country.

http://bajacaliforniabest.com/en/ecotourism-with-the-kumiai-...

https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajastoryteller/kum...



[Edited on 9-15-2019 by KasloKid]

4x4abc - 9-15-2019 at 10:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Thanks Harald. The video was short, so no idea of what the road going there looks like. Recorded voices are in Spanish. Is there more, Don Pisto?


there was a 2nd video somewhere

Nikno - 9-15-2019 at 11:21 AM

My best guess:

32.344502, -116.849101

KasloKid - 9-15-2019 at 11:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Nikno  
My best guess:

32.344502, -116.849101



Looks about right on Google Earth... thanks.


[Edited on 9-15-2019 by KasloKid]

del mar - 9-15-2019 at 11:53 AM

actually off blvd 2000 is Casian ranch (think SCORE Desert Challenge), this is a popular road that goes by a new zipline park and continues through to El Gato and eventually comes out past Pretty Horses and dumps you out at campo Reynosa. unfortunately this trail just got too popular for its own good. cars and trucks are still welcome.


the sign in the video is a "coming soon zip line park" sign...

[Edited on 9-15-2019 by del mar]

KasloKid - 9-15-2019 at 04:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
actually off blvd 2000 is Casian ranch (think SCORE Desert Challenge), this is a popular road that goes by a new zipline park and continues through to El Gato and eventually comes out past Pretty Horses and dumps you out at campo Reynosa. unfortunately this trail just got too popular for its own good. cars and trucks are still welcome.


the sign in the video is a "coming soon zip line park" sign...

[Edited on 9-15-2019 by del mar]


Thanks!
So much for my eco-tourism theory!!