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Green Door trail

PaulW - 2-3-2020 at 11:56 AM

New Green Door Track
This time we started from the south and we had great success.
Issues were found. We had to drive around huge Cardon’s across the road in two places but were able to get back on the road with some trials. The road for the most part is heavily overgrown, and we had to bash thru some pretty big tree limbs. Tons of scratches and after the first rig we had sap dripping on our rigs. (The sap came off with alcohol when we got home).
Our previous track was done with a Garmin and used a 10-minute track point interval, so we used that track just as a gross guide. Tha t track is omitted on the attached KMZ. The road was easy enough to find. Yes, we found their TW and Johns track from November and they missed the road at one point by less than 20 ‘. It was on their left.
It is obvious from examining our track the south end was difficult as the bushes had concealed the road. Thus, we wandered a bit.
The Murdock map has a road that was accurate as it starts from the south and is not complete. We followed it until it ended at a side wash. From there the road was easy to find. When traveling S the area where Murdock ends is a very easy place to lose the road. The new track solves that issue for sure.

Major edit:
The KMZ does not show the important WPs:
Jct North is 28 40.7633, -113 25.491
Jct South is 28 27.763, -1213 12.697
Stone wall is 28 39.421, -113 26.161






Attachment: Trail001GD.kmz (77kB)
This file has been downloaded 276 times

[Edited on 2-3-2020 by PaulW]

David K - 2-3-2020 at 12:44 PM

GOOD JOB PAUL!!!

I last drove the entire route from north to south in 2002, other times either the north half or the south half (2001-2003)

This road's modern history is told in Erle Stanley Gardner's 1967 book, 'Off the Beaten Track in Baja'... The Gardner expedition blazed this route in February of 1966. It was not on any map then and only old sages like Dick Daggett of L.A. Bay seemed to know of it. The Gardner team reopened and reconstructed where necessary theis route so they could get to Rancho El Barril directly from Bahía de los Angeles.

The 1965 AAA map only shows some of it:



The first book to make a road log and draw a map of it was the 1972 updated edition of Cliff Cross' Baja Guide.



The Auto Club began to map all of it, too... here's their 1973 map:



The better detailed 1975 & 1978 maps:





1987 the new graded road via San Rafael was added and the road more accurately placed:



1989 was the last year they included the old road:



The final AAA maps (to 2010) included the northern part of the road:



How the Green Door Road got its name...
Paulina and Dern pose at it, a few years ago, before it vanished.

Green Door.JPG - 33kB

4x4abc - 2-3-2020 at 02:59 PM

there is only one short line in that file - something must have gone wrong

PaulW - 2-3-2020 at 04:22 PM

Thanks Harald, I fixed the KMZ and documented the important WPs.

PaulW - 2-3-2020 at 04:24 PM

Thanks David for all those details.

mtgoat666 - 2-3-2020 at 05:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
New Green Door Track
This time we started from the south and we had great success.
Issues were found. We had to drive around huge Cardon’s across the road in two places but were able to get back on the road with some trials. The road for the most part is heavily overgrown, and we had to bash thru some pretty big tree limbs. Tons of scratches and after the first rig we had sap dripping on our rigs. (The sap came off with alcohol when we got home).
Our previous track was done with a Garmin and used a 10-minute track point interval, so we used that track just as a gross guide. Tha t track is omitted on the attached KMZ. The road was easy enough to find. Yes, we found their TW and Johns track from November and they missed the road at one point by less than 20 ‘. It was on their left.
It is obvious from examining our track the south end was difficult as the bushes had concealed the road. Thus, we wandered a bit.
The Murdock map has a road that was accurate as it starts from the south and is not complete. We followed it until it ended at a side wash. From there the road was easy to find. When traveling S the area where Murdock ends is a very easy place to lose the road. The new track solves that issue for sure.

Major edit:
The KMZ does not show the important WPs:
Jct North is 28 40.7633, -113 25.491
Jct South is 28 27.763, -1213 12.697
Stone wall is 28 39.421, -113 26.161








[Edited on 2-3-2020 by PaulW]


You ever wonder why property owners fence their land? Because offroaders open abandoned roads, cut or otherwise remove vegetation to open roads, etc
If a road has returned to nature or is otherwise unused in many years, you should seek landowner approval to undertake travel or work to open a road

David K - 2-3-2020 at 05:34 PM

The land belongs to everyone!
Don't listen to this conservative, capitalist mtgoat666

mtgoat666 - 2-3-2020 at 06:23 PM

There is very little public land in baja. Most land is owned by ejidos, individuals or corporations. In the subject area, there is no public land.

4x4abc - 2-3-2020 at 06:44 PM

the kmz file has now disappeared

KasloKid - 2-3-2020 at 09:40 PM

The trail/road from the north to the arroyo where the track goes from N-S to W-E was still being used by a family that operated a small ranch a few hundred yards West of the 90 degree turn, about 8 or 9 years ago. Is it still being used?

David K - 2-3-2020 at 10:29 PM

That is Rancho La Bocana, even though most maps call it San Pedro.

ehall - 2-4-2020 at 07:33 AM

Thanks Paul. Wish I could of went with you. This job thing really kills my free time.

PaulW - 2-5-2020 at 03:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
the kmz file has now disappeared

Go to the first post and click on the KMZ. Just did it and it is complete less WPs.