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AMLO continues to astound me

thebajarunner - 3-26-2020 at 09:45 AM

This is from today's New York Times....

Mr. López Obrador, a leftist, has continued to wade into crowds and kiss babies. Ruling out travel restrictions, business closings or quarantine orders, last week Mr. López Obrador suggested Mexico would be spared by divine intervention as he held up two amulets he called “my bodyguards.”

“Do not panic, and please do not stop going out,” he said in a video Sunday night. “If you have the economic capacity, keep taking your families to restaurants, because that means strengthening the family and popular economy.”

It was not until Tuesday that his government closed schools, prohibited gatherings of more than 100 people and told Mexicans to stay at home. By then, the Mexico City government had already moved to shut down much of public life.


Thinking that I will not be heading down to Guadalupe any time soon... sad to say

bezzelle - 3-26-2020 at 09:54 AM

apologies if this is a repeat. Quick video

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/americas/100000007049738...

BajaParrothead - 3-26-2020 at 11:11 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bezzelle  
apologies if this is a repeat. Quick video

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/americas/100000007049738...

That guy is scary! What a jacka$$!

pacificobob - 3-26-2020 at 11:23 AM

Poor people are immune to the virus...according to the governor of puebla. Furthermore he considers himself one of the poor and therefore immune.
Sadly many of the vulnerable poor will take this as fact.

[Edited on 3-27-2020 by pacificobob]

bezzelle - 3-26-2020 at 12:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaParrothead  
Quote: Originally posted by bezzelle  
apologies if this is a repeat. Quick video

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/americas/100000007049738...

That guy is scary! What a jacka$$!


I believe what he's trying to say is ...

"jfc. get a grip" ;)

at least he hasn't recommended folks start stockpiling chloroqinine (sp) the malaria / lupus drug.

AKgringo - 3-26-2020 at 01:06 PM

Mexico is truly blessed to have a leader with Devine immunity! It is touching to see him passing through the crowd, pausing to reach out and share this gift with his believers! :rolleyes:

dtbushpilot - 3-26-2020 at 01:14 PM

Would Jesus quarantine himself or would he walk among his people? Asking for a friend..:)


bezzelle - 3-26-2020 at 02:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Would Jesus quarantine himself or would he walk among his people? Asking for a friend..:)




jaja

up north, "a Reality TV Host President, and now our own episode of Survivor"

Kimpatsu_Hekigan - 3-26-2020 at 02:28 PM

The next Italy?

Mexico’s coronavirus-skeptical president is setting up his country for a health crisis

:(

Jesus walked the walk and went boldly among the masses

thebajarunner - 3-26-2020 at 02:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Would Jesus quarantine himself or would he walk among his people? Asking for a friend..:)




Countless times he touched the lepers, those that were otherwise considered "unclean" and never once shied away from the sick.
The Bible does not ever indicate that He was sick, nor that it might be an issue. But Jesus constantly waded into the masses and went where His disciples and observers were totally afraid to venture.

bezzelle - 3-26-2020 at 03:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Would Jesus quarantine himself or would he walk among his people? Asking for a friend..:)




Countless times he touched the lepers, those that were otherwise considered "unclean" and never once shied away from the sick.
The Bible does not ever indicate that He was sick, nor that it might be an issue. But Jesus constantly waded into the masses and went where His disciples and observers were totally afraid to venture.


you forgot the appropriate introduction ... 'The story goes ...'

let's stick to this reality we're in

mtgoat666 - 3-26-2020 at 03:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Would Jesus quarantine himself or would he walk among his people? Asking for a friend..:)




Countless times he touched the lepers, those that were otherwise considered "unclean" and never once shied away from the sick.
The Bible does not ever indicate that He was sick, nor that it might be an issue. But Jesus constantly waded into the masses and went where His disciples and observers were totally afraid to venture.


Um,... the story of Jesus is a fairy tale, the Bible is a collection of religious fictionalizations to teach people particular morals, the Bible is not fact, just a good fiction! Just so you know!

thebajarunner - 3-26-2020 at 07:16 PM

Jesus said "Do not cast your pearls before swine"
And so, I will leave you two to your mutual affirmation moments and ease out of this …..

dtbushpilot - 3-27-2020 at 02:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
Would Jesus quarantine himself or would he walk among his people? Asking for a friend..:)






It's like throwing a pork chop in the yard and watching the dogs fight over it....thanks for the entertainment :lol:

Paco Facullo - 3-27-2020 at 08:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bezzelle  
3/2720 ..."you can call it a germ, you can call it the flu, you can call it a virus ... you can call it many things. I'm not even sure anyone knows what to call it ... "


I call it a cluster-flock ..................

chumlee57 - 3-27-2020 at 09:14 PM

I've been waiting to chime in here... bottome line, this is an unknown issue, a 'black swan' situation. If we are honest here, we are all for the same thing, "figure it out" stuff that happens that blow your mind happens once every couple hundred years, bright people pay attention and ract accordingly. If you take a idiotic side in this debate on what to do, you are exposing yourself to being a complete a hole. Reality of what you don't know is watching what you can know, I love you guys for being good entertainment :) Blanca, you did the right thing, either way, think about it

chumlee57 - 3-27-2020 at 09:53 PM

Not a good look, especially after taking a side, be bright, not confrontaional, you can always add and subtract from this forum. It's what its about. Believeable and honest people, have a balance that radiates intelligence.

bezzelle - 3-28-2020 at 11:54 AM

"you're FIRED!!" jaja

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e7e820fc5b6256a7a2ac61e

surabi - 3-28-2020 at 09:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
This is from today's New York Times....

Mr. López Obrador, a leftist, has continued to wade into crowds and kiss babies. Ruling out travel restrictions, business closings or quarantine orders, last week Mr. López Obrador suggested Mexico would be spared by divine intervention as he held up two amulets he called “my bodyguards.”

“Do not panic, and please do not stop going out,” he said in a video Sunday night. “If you have the economic capacity, keep taking your families to restaurants, because that means strengthening the family and popular economy.”

It was not until Tuesday that his government closed schools, prohibited gatherings of more than 100 people and told Mexicans to stay at home. By then, the Mexico City government had already moved to shut down much of public life.


Thinking that I will not be heading down to Guadalupe any time soon... sad to say


Well, he finally woke up today. Said everyone needs to stay home and not go out unless it's essential. Mentioned possibly closing down the airports. I'd like to see him close the borders.

Bajazly - 3-28-2020 at 10:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  

Well, he finally woke up today. Said everyone needs to stay home and not go out unless it's essential. Mentioned possibly closing down the airports. I'd like to see him close the borders.


Have a link to the article? Are they shutting businesses down?

Hook - 3-29-2020 at 09:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  

Well, he finally woke up today. Said everyone needs to stay home and not go out unless it's essential. Mentioned possibly closing down the airports. I'd like to see him close the borders.


Have a link to the article? Are they shutting businesses down?


Here in Sonora, absolutely. Nothing but essential services open now. Maquiladores factories have even been shuttered.

I suspect it is too little, too late. It has only been in the last few days that any meaningful stoppage in border traffic into Mexico has occurred. Before that, it was business as usual.

Mexico's healthcare system will NOT be able to keep up with what's likely to come, IMO.

surabi - 3-29-2020 at 09:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  


Have a link to the article? Are they shutting businesses down?



Lopez Gatell, the Mexican govt epidemiologist, announced in a press conference yesterday that starting today the entire country will be in a 1 month long mandated quarantine. Only essential businesses will open such as grocery stores and drugstores, and only services essential to public safety will operate like CFE and water. Here's a rough translation of what was said in the press conference word by word. I am also posting the link to the press conference, in Spanish, of course. He closed the conference with this statement: "I want to be clear and immediate again, this message will be followed by an official government notice stating all the specifics."

There will be a live feed YouTube presentation on the government website at 7 pm this evening.

“The Task Force working on this amounts up to 350 years of experience in the public health sector, including two doctors with national science awards. Today, we speak to you, the citizens, and share the following technicalities:

1) The prevention and control measurements that the Mexican government has established have been designed by a group of specialists. These measurements have been correct, pertinent and opportunist. All of these measurements have been made based on scientific data and comply with the recommendations made by the World Health Organization. These measurements have been communicated repeatedly, and have now been established in the countries legal frame, to be formulated and written on paper at the highest level.

The call that we make to the Mexican citizens today, is for you to reflect, and lets be very clear, we require for you to follow and reinforce these measurements, it is our responsibility, and it is our obligation to comply with this measurements and to be consistent. All of us need to take care of ourselves, and take care of each other.

We all must cooperate in order to flatten the curve of this epidemic. Hereby, we require you to adapt to all the preventions measurements instructed, not just the ones that are directed towards personal safety, but to follow the prevention measurements directed towards community safety. As long as we are successful with massive immobilization of the country, with a high reduction of workforce activity, scholar activity, and the concentration of masses in public settings, we will all be benefited by minimizing the speed at which this virus is being transmitted.

This is our last chance to flatten the curve, and this requires to have a country wide immobilization and to stay home. This is our last call, we must all stay home. We speak to you directly: STAY HOME, STAY HOME. Stay home, because staying home is the only way we can slow down the pandemic.

Our curve is halfway to going from a slow transmission stage to a rapidly increasing transmission stage. We are in a period of accelerated rise in daily confirmed cases.

It is impossible to avoid this epidemic. We are currently living through phase 2, and we are very close to entering phase 3. One of the highest risks that will come with entering phase 3 will be the lack of hospital beds. Hospitals will be unable to help citizens, and deaths that could have otherwise been prevented will occur, due to insufficient hospital beds.

That's why, I repeat the most important message, the only way to flatten the curve TODAY is to stay home, country wide, everyone, during a stipulated period of 1 month. Let me reiterate that this does not mean that the accelerate rise in cases will be prevented. But we will be able to slow down phase 2, and once we get to phase 3 hospitals will have enough bed to take care of everyone in need of medical attention.

It is our responsibility, at a government level, in the private sector, in the public sector, and in the social sector, to STAY HOME.

In order to reach the potential these safety measurements have, we must reinforce that the public, private and social sectors MUST ADAPT to these measurements. The government is doing its part, by suspending ALL ACTIVITIES, in exception for those activities that are essential to human life. Such as grocery stores, energy services, water services. Essential services. No one is to overvalue their work, or feeling like their work isn’t valuable. Whats important is to stay home, to reduce the number of people infected. That is why, it is absolutely necessary, for the Private and the Social sectors to follow these measurements with a force, and with clear determination, to not undermine our efforts.

I want to be clear and immediate again, this message will be followed by an official government notice stating all the specifics."

Bajazly - 3-29-2020 at 10:15 PM

A little late but that is how it's done. I honestly hope the numbers out of Mexico are at least close to accurate so this will have a chance of working.

surabi - 3-30-2020 at 05:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  
Have a link to the article? Are they shutting businesses down?
Lopez Gatell, the Mexican govt epidemiologist, announced in a press conference yesterday that starting today the entire country will be in a 1 month long mandated quarantine....
Do you have the link to the original source of that (translation?)?


No, I'm sorry, I don't. It was posted on the chapala dot com webboard. But there was also an official announcement on TV last night, in Spanish, of course.

[Edited on 3-31-2020 by surabi]

bajabuddha - 3-30-2020 at 11:15 PM

COVID-19 doesn't give a flyin' fiddler's phuque about charisma. Fighters will tell you fire is an indiscriminate killer; doesn't care if you're white, brown, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or non-denominate. Oh, that includes Repugnican't or DemocRAT. We're all screwed.

paranewbi - 3-31-2020 at 06:27 AM

Just for 'astounding' comparison...

“Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY) and subcommittee chairwoman Karen Bass (D-CA) did not stop there with their demands as they told Barr to consider releasing prisoners regardless of the severity of the crimes for which they were convicted and regardless of the type of facility they were housed in….

The two Democrats then stated that they had a problem with Barr’s memo that said that inmates at low and minimum security facilities should be prioritized and those who were convicted of serious offenses should not be released. The two Democrats stated [emphasis added]:

Your memorandum specifies that priority should be given to inmates in low- and minimum-security facilities and that “serious” offenses should weigh more heavily against consideration for home detention. These limitations, unfortunately, beg the question of what you do with individuals who are at a high risk for contracting COVID-19 who are not in low- or minimum-security facilities, who have been convicted of serious offenses, or who have high PATTERN risk scores. We urge you to consider that even individuals in these categories should be assessed for release because they may be elderly or particularly vulnerable. Pregnant prisoners, in all circumstances, should be released to home confinement forthwith. We further urge you to assess the risk of contracting COVID-19 of every individual in BOP custody, regardless of the type of institution in which they are housed, the seriousness of their offense, or the potential recidivism risk they may present. If BOP decides to keep these individuals detained, what specific provisions are being made for those among them who are at high risk for contracting COVID-19? What plans are being made to communicate information to these individuals, their attorneys, and their loved ones, about the plan for their care behind bars during the COVID-19 pandemic?”

BajaMama - 4-1-2020 at 06:57 AM

FYI California released non-violent inmates who were near the end of their sentences. The are socially isolating those still in jail; bringing food to cells.

Alm - 4-2-2020 at 04:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  
I honestly hope the numbers out of Mexico are at least close to accurate

Their numbers are likely understated a lot. Accurate numbers presume plenty of testing, enough kits, personnel and labs. Doesn't sound like Mexico to me. And even if you test a lot, there can be 30% false negatives, according to some studies.