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Nomads living in Baja: 50% death rate hospitalized Covid patients

caj13 - 7-19-2020 at 05:12 PM

Particularly if you are one of the many faithful here poo pooing this virus and the threat, I sincerely hope you do not have a first hand encounter with Covid.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/half-of-virus-patients-...

Alm - 7-19-2020 at 06:37 PM

Makes sense. They go to hospital when they are in critical condition, half of patients can't be helped at this point.

In the US and Canada nursing homes are a close equivalent, residents are in near-critical condition - old, frail and with other co-morbities, the result being much higher % of deaths in this subset.

Ignoring this virus is stupid. Younger and healthier die less often when infected, but long-term impact on health has been well documented.

JZ - 7-19-2020 at 06:46 PM

Got to be very concerned if you are older and living in Baja for sure.

Alm - 7-19-2020 at 07:09 PM

You got to be very concerned if you contact other people, period. In absence of vaccine a social distancing, masks and hand washing is the only thing that works.

Talking to somebody standing 6 ft away from you is a contact if one of you is without a mask, because small aerosol particles from talking spread father than 6 ft. Going to restaurant or public washroom or any indoor public space is potentially a contact with contaminated surfaces, in addition to infected people. Indoors in humid environment coronavirus survives more than 24 hours.

Why so many people don't get it, puzzles me.

question for Alm

John M - 7-19-2020 at 07:28 PM

"...but long-term impact on health has been well documented."

While what you say may be accurate; how can we know in just six months? - I wonder how this statement about long-term impact on health with something so new has been determined?



John M

4x4abc - 7-19-2020 at 07:32 PM

main reason is that most infected are not admitted to the hospitals - they simply don't have the capacity. Almost 90% are treated at home. Only the super sick are in hospitals. Super sick also means many will die. https://coronavirus.gob.mx/datos/#DOView

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Overall the hospitals in Baja are close to collapsing, but they have managed very well so far. Death rate stands at 15 per 100k (US is 43/100k). The fight isn't far from over but Baja is doing quite well. Baja is one of the safest places at the moment if you are concerned to get infected.

Sure, you can nitpick accounting methods, but it does not change the big picture.

JZ - 7-19-2020 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John M  
"...but long-term impact on health has been well documented."

While what you say may be accurate; how can we know in just six months? - I wonder how this statement about long-term impact on health with something so new has been determined?



John M


Don't pay him much mind.

He told us that the death rate in Canada is 8%. And that there are rocks in the rice and beans in BoLA. The guy is a loon.



JZ - 7-19-2020 at 07:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
main reason is that most infected are not admitted to the hospitals - they simply don't have the capacity. Almost 90% are treated at home. Only the super sick are in hospitals. Super sick also means many will die. https://coronavirus.gob.mx/datos/#DOView



Overall the hospitals in Baja are close to collapsing, but they have managed very well so far. Death rate stands at 15 per 100k (US is 43/100k). The fight isn't far from over but Baja is doing quite well. Baja is one of the safest places at the moment if you are concerned to get infected.

Sure, you can nitpick accounting methods, but it does not change the big picture.


Stay safe Harald.



[Edited on 7-20-2020 by JZ]

4x4abc - 7-19-2020 at 07:57 PM

I had my share of C19
mild, but still nasty

I feel very confident and safe with the current measures in BCS

JZ - 7-19-2020 at 08:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
I had my share of C19
mild, but still nasty

I feel very confident and safe with the current measures in BCS


I'm 75% sure I got it in April.

Was down for about 48hrs.

4x4abc - 7-19-2020 at 08:32 PM

I had the pleasure for 11 weeks
since everything was super mild (except the kidney part) it only hit me towards the end that the b*tch got me

SFandH - 7-19-2020 at 09:25 PM

I wonder if this is for all hospitals. The larger cities have bare bones government run hospitals for the poor and fully equipped modern hospitals for the privately insured and people who can pay cash. I bet the care given varies dramatically.

4x4abc - 7-19-2020 at 11:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
I wonder if this is for all hospitals. The larger cities have bare bones government run hospitals for the poor and fully equipped modern hospitals for the privately insured and people who can pay cash. I bet the care given varies dramatically.


I have (unfortunately) been in all of them - no difference to speak of.

pacificobob - 7-20-2020 at 07:03 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm  
You got to be very concerned if you contact other people, period. In absence of vaccine a social distancing, masks and hand washing is the only thing that works.

Talking to somebody standing 6 ft away from you is a contact if one of you is without a mask, because small aerosol particles from talking spread father than 6 ft. Going to restaurant or public washroom or any indoor public space is potentially a contact with contaminated surfaces, in addition to infected people. Indoors in humid environment coronavirus survives more than 24 hours.

Why so many people don't get it, puzzles me.


i believe it might be called cognitive dissonance.

surabi - 7-20-2020 at 02:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Overall the hospitals in Baja are close to collapsing, but they have managed very well so far. Death rate stands at 15 per 100k (US is 43/100k).


Where on earth are you coming up with such wildly inaccurate numbers? The death rate in Mexico right now is 11.3%. For every 100 people who have had the virus, 11.3 have died. Do you not understand simple math?

There are currently 276,254 people in Mexico listed as having recovered from the virus and 39,485 who have died. How you extract 15 in 100,000 from that is bizarre.

JZ - 7-20-2020 at 02:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  


Where on earth are you coming up with such wildly inaccurate numbers? The death rate in Mexico right now is 11.3%. For every 100 people who have had the virus, 11.3 have died. Do you not understand simple math?

There are currently 276,254 people in Mexico listed as having recovered from the virus and 39,485 who have died. How you extract 15 in 100,000 from that is bizarre.


Not saying Harald's numbers are correct. But yours are way off. You don't have the correct denominator.

SFandH - 7-20-2020 at 04:02 PM

I think there is:

1. "case fatality rate" which is the number of deaths per the number of infections.

2. "fatality rate" which is the number of deaths per 100,000 people.

Whatever number you use, make sure you understand how it is determined and, most importantly, watch how it trends over time.

And, as far as how it affects your personal vulnerability, get numbers for your locality.


[Edited on 7-20-2020 by SFandH]

surabi - 7-20-2020 at 10:32 PM

CLOSED CASES
261,553
Cases which had an outcome:
222,068 (85%)
Recovered / Discharged

39,485 (15%)
Deaths

These are the current stats for Mexico from the World-o-meter site. Do you understand what 15% means? What's 15% of one dollar? 15 cents out of 100 cents. Mexico has recorded 15 deaths for every 100 people who have recovered.
This forum seems to be full of mathematical dunces.

JZ - 7-20-2020 at 11:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
CLOSED CASES
261,553
Cases which had an outcome:
222,068 (85%)
Recovered / Discharged

39,485 (15%)
Deaths

These are the current stats for Mexico from the World-o-meter site. Do you understand what 15% means? What's 15% of one dollar? 15 cents out of 100 cents. Mexico has recorded 15 deaths for every 100 people who have recovered.
This forum seems to be full of mathematical dunces.


I have an electrical engineering degree from the Ohio State University. There was lots of math involved in earning it.

You really need to step back from your keyboard to when you haven't had a couple c-cktails and think about what you are saying.



[Edited on 7-21-2020 by JZ]

JZ - 7-20-2020 at 11:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

Not saying Harald's numbers are correct. But yours are way off. You don't have the correct denominator.

I assume you mean the denominator is incorrect because it does not include undocumented cases? :?:


Yes, of course.

KasloKid - 7-20-2020 at 11:33 PM

My brother, who lives full time in Mexico, tells me that a lot of severely infected people refuse to go to the hospital.... the reason being is if they succumb to the virus, they want family with them when they die. In a hospital, you die alone. These deaths are not accounted for in the "numbers"
It's a sobering thought.

BajaBlanca - 7-21-2020 at 02:41 AM

So far, we here in La Bocana have escaped the virus altogether. No one sick. No one in a hospital. Some folks are beginning to understand that the virus can come from their family member who visits from TJ or Ensenada. That is a huge step in the right direction!

SFandH - 7-21-2020 at 08:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
So far, we here in La Bocana have escaped the virus altogether. No one sick. No one in a hospital.


Just curious, do stores require a mask to enter? Are people practicing safe COVID procedures or is it pretty much like pre-COVID days?

BajaNaranja - 7-21-2020 at 09:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  


Just curious, do stores require a mask to enter? Are people practicing safe COVID procedures or is it pretty much like pre-COVID days?



I don't know about La Bocana (not trying to hijack), but around Ensenada I was seeing and hearing about stricter policies than I see in the San Diego area (my family stayed out of all stores, taco stands, etc.).

Home Depot in Ensenada would only let one family member in, they were requiring masks, and were taking temperature before letting you in, and making you take a pump or two of hand sanitizer. Taco stands had plexiglass up between customers and workers. Even heard about a taco stand with enclosed eating area taking temperatures before allowing customers in. Saw lot's of masked up customers standing apart waiting to get into banks, etc.

Seemed to me like they are taking the situation very seriously.

Skipjack Joe - 7-22-2020 at 04:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

Not saying Harald's numbers are correct. But yours are way off. You don't have the correct denominator.

I assume you mean the denominator is incorrect because it does not include undocumented cases? :?:


He means covid death rate as percentage of total population, not a percentage of those infected.

surabi - 7-23-2020 at 05:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
CLOSED CASES
261,553
Cases which had an outcome:
222,068 (85%)
Recovered / Discharged

39,485 (15%)
Deaths

These are the current stats for Mexico from the World-o-meter site. Do you understand what 15% means? What's 15% of one dollar? 15 cents out of 100 cents. Mexico has recorded 15 deaths for every 100 people who have recovered.
This forum seems to be full of mathematical dunces.


I have an electrical engineering degree from the Ohio State University. There was lots of math involved in earning it.

You really need to step back from your keyboard to when you haven't had a couple c-cktails and think about what you are saying.



[Edited on 7-21-2020 by JZ]


Well, bully for you. You are choosing to look at the stats by factoring in things which aren't how one scientifically looks at how deadly a disease is. The death rates of past pandemics and other diseases are based upon resolved cases, which are the exact stats I posted. Because those pandemics are over and those other diseases have been around long enough to be referring to cases in which people who were infected either recovered or died.
Choosing to look at the death rate by counting it as a percentage of the total number of people currently infected plus those who have recovered is just a way to make it seem like it's not very serious. because that is obviously your agenda. You have no idea if the people currently infected will recover, die, or be left with long-term effects.

And once again, you make absurd assumptions about people you don't know. I'm not a drinker.