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Salt flats rescue of a Tacoma

JZ - 7-19-2020 at 06:11 PM

Ppl hitting the Pacific coast in Baja might want to watch this one.


https://youtu.be/TUSpD_waiEQ

Ateo - 7-19-2020 at 10:12 PM

Thanks. Spent an hour and half right now on that guys YouTube channel. Good stuff.

Maderita - 7-19-2020 at 11:01 PM

For those with winches, take note:
Never use your winch the way they did as a tow strap. It is not designed for that type of load and will break. Warn does sell parts for rebuilding. Don't ask me how I know (Warn M12000). Use a winch for winching, and use a recovery strap/rope for towing.
Another note: Open the hood while winching. And weight the wire rope (cable). That prevents broken windshields and skulls if something in the retrieval system breaks.

JZ - 7-19-2020 at 11:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Maderita  
For those with winches, take note:
Never use your winch the way they did as a tow strap. It is not designed for that type of load and will break. Warn does sell parts for rebuilding. Don't ask me how I know (Warn M12000). Use a winch for winching, and use a recovery strap/rope for towing.
Another note: Open the hood while winching. And weight the wire rope (cable). That prevents broken windshields and skulls if something in the retrieval system breaks.


You need to watch more of his videos. This was a special rescue.

David K - 7-20-2020 at 07:34 AM

I was also surprised that he did not pull him straight but instead at an angle. I wonder what was in the Tacoma driver's head that made him leave the well-worn path like he did?

I got the answer David

John M - 7-20-2020 at 09:42 AM

David, you asked "what was in the driver's head?"

It shows a complete lack of understanding about driving on "dry" lake beds, or more likely it brings to mind the familiar phrase 'sh** for brains'

I know, because we were more than half a day in a similar situation at Cronese Dry Lake in the east Mojave. Always carry a shovel.


JM

Marc - 7-20-2020 at 10:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I was also surprised that he did not pull him straight but instead at an angle. I wonder what was in the Tacoma driver's head that made him leave the well-worn path like he did?


My first thought was, it's gonna go over.

Jinete Viejo - 7-20-2020 at 07:56 PM

Brings to mind the the tide flats north of El Datil. Take the wrong line across those and you might be in the same situation.

BajaMama - 7-21-2020 at 06:37 AM

All I could think of was "corrosion, corrosion, corrosion"!

DanO - 7-21-2020 at 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John M  
Always carry a shovel.JM


My motto.

AKgringo - 7-21-2020 at 12:06 PM

Imagine what that recovery would be like if they were racing against a 20+ foot incoming tide. That is what the silt beds in Cook Inlet (AK) are like!

Marc - 7-21-2020 at 12:32 PM

Could be a set up and made for video?? Fun to watch anyway.

4x4abc - 7-21-2020 at 12:35 PM

stunned but not surprised to see "professional" rescue guys doing almost everything wrong
most rescues/recoveries on youtube are dead wrong - but someone entertaining
I especially like the reversed concept of entertainment - they pay for you to be entertained

Maderita - 7-21-2020 at 12:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Imagine what that recovery would be like if they were racing against a 20+ foot incoming tide. That is what the silt beds in Cook Inlet (AK) are like!

Sounds like you just described vehicle recovery in San Felipe. I've retrieved dozens of vehicles, often in the nick of time with the tide lapping at the tires or door sills. I never need to bring beer; it is given to me, jajaja

JZ - 7-21-2020 at 01:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Marc  
Could be a set up and made for video?? Fun to watch anyway.


The guy posts a video of a couple rescues every single day.


JZ - 7-21-2020 at 01:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
stunned but not surprised to see "professional" rescue guys doing almost everything wrong
most rescues/recoveries on youtube are dead wrong - but someone entertaining
I especially like the reversed concept of entertainment - they pay for you to be entertained


This one might have been off, but 99% of the time he's doing it right.

Curious how you would have attracted this one. A much longer kinetic rope would have helped greatly.


David K - 7-21-2020 at 02:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
stunned but not surprised to see "professional" rescue guys doing almost everything wrong
most rescues/recoveries on youtube are dead wrong - but someone entertaining
I especially like the reversed concept of entertainment - they pay for you to be entertained


Glad you saw some of what I saw... Maybe it is a Millennial way to extract stuck 4x4s? :lol:

mtgoat666 - 7-21-2020 at 03:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
stunned but not surprised to see "professional" rescue guys doing almost everything wrong
most rescues/recoveries on youtube are dead wrong - but someone entertaining
I especially like the reversed concept of entertainment - they pay for you to be entertained


Glad you saw some of what I saw... Maybe it is a Millennial way to extract stuck 4x4s? :lol:


I think the rescue was fine, it worked, nothing appeared broken. He did not pull direct from rear due to bad ground to rear. He had 2 trucks/2 winches. Winches are made for pulling, if your winch is incapable, you just need a bigger winch. Using a yank strap would be another problem, the vehicles with winches were on soft ground. No one wants to break thru that soft ground and sink in nasty salt flat mud that is corrosive.

JZ - 7-21-2020 at 03:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Using a yank strap would be another problem, the vehicles with winches were on soft ground. No one wants to break thru that soft ground and sink in nasty salt flat mud that is corrosive.


This is what changed things from his normal rescues. He was very worried about getting his own truck stuck.


AKgringo - 7-21-2020 at 03:24 PM

The U-turn is what sunk the Taco! Notice that they had already tried using ramps to back out, but they sunk too.

Maderita - 7-21-2020 at 03:54 PM

I'm with Harald 4x4abc on this one. I watched another recovery operation of theirs, painfully, all the way through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8IfXPm9zrU
(Note to Harald: Don't watch this as your blood pressure will be in the danger zone).
These guys are unsophisticated in their methods and downright dangerous. They seem to have no clue about basic safety. Their situational awareness is not much better than drunken fools. In particular, they repeatedly walked and stood around the "low side" of the vehicles, both the recovery vehicles and the truck being recovered. They stood in "the line of fire" with multiple wire ropes which were under tension. No protective gear: no safety glasses, no gloves for handling wire rope. Baseball caps may protect from sun, but not from flying 3/4" shackles. No apparent safety coordination or director of the operation. Haphazard with a distinct lack of leadership. They can only get by on luck for so long before there is a serious injury.

Certainly wasn't impressed with driving skills or 4x4 knowledge. Wondering if they have heard of airing down? All that gear and the guy uses an adjustable wrench on his exhaust? Maybe learn to use lock nuts (distorted thread type) or double nut his exhaust bolts.

I must admit that I was impressed with the $299 Harbor Freight winch, that it actually worked. Equally impressed that it didn't rip the front end of that unibody Classic Cherokee.

JZ - If you think that crew is doing it right 99% of the time, then you must have chosen 198 of their other videos of to view.

KylesBahiadrean - 7-21-2020 at 03:58 PM

Been there done that ...LOL...this is right outside of Bahia San Rafael... took us probably 3-4 hours and luckily we were able to hire some guys that were working on the road to help us dig... took two trucks a 2017 Tacoma , 1988 Toyota pickup to pull out a 2015 Tacoma.. Toyota POWER !!!



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JZ - 7-21-2020 at 04:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Maderita  
I'm with Harald 4x4abc on this one. I watched another recovery operation of theirs, painfully, all the way through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8IfXPm9zrU
(Note to Harald: Don't watch this as your blood pressure will be in the danger zone).
These guys are unsophisticated in their methods and downright dangerous. They seem to have no clue about basic safety. Their situational awareness is not much better than drunken fools. In particular, they repeatedly walked and stood around the "low side" of the vehicles, both the recovery vehicles and the truck being recovered. They stood in "the line of fire" with multiple wire ropes which were under tension. No protective gear: no safety glasses, no gloves for handling wire rope. Baseball caps may protect from sun, but not from flying 3/4" shackles. No apparent safety coordination or director of the operation. Haphazard with a distinct lack of leadership. They can only get by on luck for so long before there is a serious injury.

Certainly wasn't impressed with driving skills or 4x4 knowledge. Wondering if they have heard of airing down? All that gear and the guy uses an adjustable wrench on his exhaust? Maybe learn to use lock nuts (distorted thread type) or double nut his exhaust bolts.

I must admit that I was impressed with the $299 Harbor Freight winch, that it actually worked. Equally impressed that it didn't rip the front end of that unibody Classic Cherokee.

JZ - If you think that crew is doing it right 99% of the time, then you must have chosen 198 of their other videos of to view.


What a rant!

Maderita - 7-21-2020 at 04:08 PM

JZ - Your comment, "Winches are made for pulling, if your winch is incapable, you just need a bigger winch."

That type of winch is made for pulling under (electric) power. It is designed to be used for powering the wire rope in. Using it with the spool locked down, and driving the vehicle, as if pulling with a chain, can break the winch internals. I can't say with certainty about the Badlands Chinese knockoff, but I can say with certainty about the similar looking Warn 12,000 lb. Before learning better, I broke mine under a relatively low load.

JZ - 7-21-2020 at 04:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Maderita  
JZ - Your comment, "Winches are made for pulling, if your winch is incapable, you just need a bigger winch."

That type of winch is made for pulling under (electric) power. It is designed to be used for powering the wire rope in. Using it with the spool locked down, and driving the vehicle, as if pulling with a chain, can break the winch internals. I can't say with certainty about the Badlands Chinese knockoff, but I can say with certainty about the similar looking Warn 12,000 lb. Before learning better, I broke mine under a relatively low load.


That was Goat that said that one. I've actually never used a winch in my life.

mtgoat666 - 7-21-2020 at 04:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Maderita  
They seem to have no clue about basic safety. Their situational awareness is not much better than drunken fools. In particular, they repeatedly walked and stood around the "low side" of the vehicles, both the recovery vehicles and the truck being recovered. They stood in "the line of fire" with multiple wire ropes which were under tension. No protective gear: no safety glasses, no gloves for handling wire rope. Baseball caps may protect from sun, but not from flying 3/4" shackles. No apparent safety coordination or director of the operation. Haphazard with a distinct lack of leadership. They can only get by on luck for so long before there is a serious injury.


You are going to be disappointed if you expect H&S in offroading...

del mar - 7-21-2020 at 04:21 PM

pretty obvious who has the off road prowess here....but we already knew that didn't we?

KylesBahiadrean - 7-21-2020 at 04:24 PM

Matt’s off-road recovery is pretty good at getting people out.. you
Should watch more his videos.. safety aside, he gets chit out..

Maderita - 7-21-2020 at 04:26 PM

Sorry for the mistake JZ. A trypical comment from the goat which I wouldn't have bothered responding to. I just try to save others from grief or danger with educational posts. As a rockclimber, it is highly important to observe safety systems and look out for partners and others.

KylesBahiadrean - 7-21-2020 at 04:33 PM

Matt’s off-road recovery is pretty good at getting people out.. you
Should watch more his videos.. safety aside, he gets chit out..

BornFisher - 7-21-2020 at 04:48 PM

Whar a great YouTube channel!! Hats off to Matt and crew!!

chuckie - 7-21-2020 at 05:00 PM

This took place in UTAH? Why is it posted here? This board gets worse every day..

David K - 7-21-2020 at 05:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KylesBahiadrean  
Been there done that ...LOL...this is right outside of Bahia San Rafael... took us probably 3-4 hours and luckily we were able to hire some guys that were working on the road to help us dig... took two trucks a 2017 Tacoma , 1988 Toyota pickup to pull out a 2015 Tacoma.. Toyota POWER !!!


Welcome to Baja Nomad, where Tacomas are the rule (for mid-size trucks)!

I see that you were a victim of Boca Grande (just north of San Rafael)! I think it was Barry A (?) who posted about how bad he was stuck in that muck! I will search that...

Yep, and Pappy Jon, too... see his photo: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=87047

[Edited on 7-22-2020 by David K]

Barry A's Boca Grande story...

David K - 7-21-2020 at 05:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
The following is lifted out of a 2006 post concerning my adventures on the salt flats of BOCA GRANDE that David K. made reference to above. The moral of this story is "don't mess with salt flats"!!!!---------:


Boca Grande--------makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it------



--------April, 1999-----My buddy in his Isuzu Trooper, and I in my F-250 ext. cab with 1000 lb CALLEN camper on our way south from BOLA, decided that it would be fun to explore Boca Grande, a couple miles east of the main road to San Rafael Fish camp, and San Francisquito. I was in the lead. I saw many vehicle tracks leading out onto the "dry lagoon" playa----stopped and walked out on it----everything looked, and felt, great------back in my truck and proceeded to drive across the "hard-pan" to the large rock berm between the "dry" lagoon and the Sea of Cortez. On the CB I suggested that the Trooper should hold up until I checked it out (thank God). I had been cruizing across the hard-pan for about 800 yards and was nearing the rock berm when I felt that the truck was starting to bog down a little. Boy, this is not good, so gently I start a wide left 180 to get the H--- out of here. Now understand I am in 4 wheel drive, and have big 285 tires, but they are inflated to about 40 lbs.. I am doing everything perfectly----the right gear (stick shift), keeping my speed up, eveything seems ok, but I am ever so slowly losing speed and starting to really feel dumb, AND MAD. I manage to make the complete 180 and am heading for safety, but ever so slowly the truck comes to a complete stop-----all 4 wheels have sunk about 6 inches into the "mud" and I am not moving. Shut-down!

Realizing how far I am from ANYBODY (but the little-bitty Trooper), and knowing that the Trooper cannot haul my monster out of the mud, I am really mad, and frankly scared (just a little). I am going to lose my truck!!!! it is going to dissappear into the mud, before my eyes.

I have no winch, no Pull-Pal, no nothing, except my highlift jack. After about 10 mins. of howling at the sky, cursing, and getting ready to have an anurism, I sorta calm down and me and my buddy start thinking about our alternatives. The first thing I do is drop all 4 tires down to 12 lbs. Then we wander out across the "dry" lake and scrounge up anything we can find to put under the tires----all the stuff we found was stuff that others had used to get themselves out of the "mud" in long years past---old lawn chairs, tables, flat rocks, and stuff like that. One by one, we jack up the 4 corners of the truck (I did have a huge steel foot-base for my highlift jack), and stuff this furniture under the wheels-------I know that this is only going to work one time, and I do a lot of real praying, which is unusual for me. By the way, all this preparation for this one-time "push" to get out takes about 2 1/2 hours to accomplish.

I get in the cab, start the engine and let it warm up good-------this is a big 460 V8, and if it cannot get me going, nothing can. I put it in second gear (5-speed tranny) and give it my best keeping the tire-spin to a minimum------AND SLOWLY OUT I CAME!!!!! Houling in sheer extasy, I haul-ass for the sand dune that the Trooper is sitting on about 1000 yards away, mud flying from my tires, AND I MAKE IT!!!!! miracles of all miracles-----my prayers are answered!!! I have never felt this "high" in all my life----Yah Hoooooooooo!!!!

Now for the frustrating part------using three of the piddly cigarette lighter air compressors (2 of mine, and 1 of my buddies) we spent the next 2 hours airing my 285's back up to 40 lbs each. We totally burned up one of the compressors, and the other two got so hot that we had to shut them down time after time to keep them from cooking.

Within days of returning to the USA, I had a Warn 9500lb winch installed, bought a pull-pal, and bought a Quick-Air compressor-------never again am I going thru what I went thru at BOCA GRANDE!!! I told my wife, Meredith, that all these purchases were "insurance", and totally justifiable like all other insurance is!!! She made no comment.

BOCA GRANDE is the pits-------don't go there------it will ruin your day, or much worse!!!! Pappy Jon is absolutely right----that "dry playa" looks so hard and non-muddy!!!! The crust is about 2 inches think----- and below that is HELL !!! Never again!!!! (and I knew better ???)

KylesBahiadrean - 7-21-2020 at 05:35 PM

Hahahaha all
The stories seem so familiar.. we were on the gravel bar the entire time and we decided that across would be a shortcut..WRONG... unknown amount of hours of driving one truck back to BDLA , getting another truck , dropping our ladies off at the house in Bahia..getting some tools and help together...long story short my buddies dad knew the guys working on the road they helped, they also had a tractor but wanted to try the trucks first... after we got the truck out , they took us back to the ranch to wash off, drink some coffee and beer .. they showed us their new horses and we paid the men and took off back to Bahia with the sun going down...

[Edited on 7-22-2020 by KylesBahiadrean]

JZ - 7-21-2020 at 07:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  


Welcome to Baja Nomad, where Tacomas are the rule (for mid-size trucks)!

I see that you were a victim of Boca Grande (just north of San Rafael)! I think it was Barry A (?) who posted about how bad he was stuck in that muck! I will search that...

Yep, and Pappy Jon, too... see his photo: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=87047




Can you drop GPS coordinates?

KylesBahiadrean - 7-21-2020 at 08:08 PM

28°38'26"N 113°08'05"W · -0.24 ft

[Edited on 7-22-2020 by KylesBahiadrean]

David K - 7-22-2020 at 08:59 AM


At the top of this 2009 map, Boca Grande (on the coast):





Mulege Canuck - 7-22-2020 at 06:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KylesBahiadrean  
Been there done that ...LOL...this is right outside of Bahia San Rafael... took us probably 3-4 hours and luckily we were able to hire some guys that were working on the road to help us dig... took two trucks a 2017 Tacoma , 1988 Toyota pickup to pull out a 2015 Tacoma.. Toyota POWER !!!



[Edited on 7-21-2020 by KylesBahiadrean]

[Edited on 7-21-2020 by KylesBahiadrean]





[Edited on 7-21-2020 by KylesBahiadrean]


Great job boys! I always have some plywood with me like you had in the photo. Bet the Tecate tasted pretty dam good after that workout.

JZ - 7-22-2020 at 08:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KylesBahiadrean  
28°38'26"N 113°08'05"W · -0.24 ft



Thank you.

JZ - 7-22-2020 at 08:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KylesBahiadrean  
Hahahaha all
The stories seem so familiar.. we were on the gravel bar the entire time and we decided that across would be a shortcut..WRONG... unknown amount of hours of driving one truck back to BDLA , getting another truck , dropping our ladies off at the house in Bahia..getting some tools and help together...long story short my buddies dad knew the guys working on the road they helped, they also had a tractor but wanted to try the trucks first... after we got the truck out , they took us back to the ranch to wash off, drink some coffee and beer .. they showed us their new horses and we paid the men and took off back to Bahia with the sun going down...



I gotta go see this place now. Take the KTMs and fly across it.




KylesBahiadrean - 7-23-2020 at 12:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by KylesBahiadrean  
Hahahaha all
The stories seem so familiar.. we were on the gravel bar the entire time and we decided that across would be a shortcut..WRONG... unknown amount of hours of driving one truck back to BDLA , getting another truck , dropping our ladies off at the house in Bahia..getting some tools and help together...long story short my buddies dad knew the guys working on the road they helped, they also had a tractor but wanted to try the trucks first... after we got the truck out , they took us back to the ranch to wash off, drink some coffee and beer .. they showed us their new horses and we paid the men and took off back to Bahia with the sun going down...



I gotta go see this place now. Take the KTMs and fly across it.





Our mistake was hitting that pit in our trucks, it’s a cool place if you hug the mountain to the right and then stay on the gravel bar...and yeah on a bike that pit shouldn’t be bad , the first
couple of inches of mud are hard..

motoged - 7-23-2020 at 03:10 PM

It took 5 guys a few hours to pry a 525 KTM out of that snot....

KylesBahiadrean - 7-23-2020 at 03:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
It took 5 guys a few hours to pry a 525 KTM out of that snot....


Man I was hoping to let him go and try.. I said it wouldn’t be that bad, but I did not say he wouldn’t get stuck... good know the dirt bikes are getting stuck as well

Salsa - 7-23-2020 at 04:50 PM

It takes a 4 wheeler to get really stuck, 2 wheelers are cautious.

Don

motoged - 7-23-2020 at 08:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KylesBahiadrean  
Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
It took 5 guys a few hours to pry a 525 KTM out of that snot....


Man I was hoping to let him go and try.. I said it wouldn’t be that bad, but I did not say he wouldn’t get stuck... good know the dirt bikes are getting stuck as well


Baja clay and sandflats are wicked mediums. I have had similar experiences in alkali "ponds" (semi-dry with the crust) here in B.C.

On one Baja ride , we were north of San Juanico and a bit north of La Ballena, on the coast heading south. There was a river opening into the ocean....Lizard Lady told us to cross at the mouth....but my buddies went upstream less than 100 meters....one guy's 'Berg sunk into quicksand about 8 inches above rims....took 3 of us 45 minutes to extract it.

Fishermen in El Rosario west of town warned us about crossing the wet areas a bit inland from the shore....saying locals had lost trucks in the quicksand there.

There are tidal flats south of Bahia Asuncion that are gooey and greasy after rains. After a few hard lessons, I could read the sand better and avoided them 80% of the time.....the other 20% gave me a chance to use my toolkit to slowly gouge the back wheel free from swingarm to head back to house to then spend way too much time hosing and scraping the bike clean...

I would pay good money to watch The Jizz fly across that snot :lol:

JZ - 7-23-2020 at 08:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  


I would pay good money to watch The Jizz fly across that snot :lol:


Our bikes and riders are a good 100+ pounds lighter than your fat @sses.


AKgringo - 7-23-2020 at 08:54 PM

On my last trip to La Paz, I was exploring near the Maranatha campground looking for a new place to run my dog. I found a salt/silt flat that did not have a 'crust' to break through, but the inch of goo on top of the hard pan was the slickest stuff I have ever encountered!

I was driving an Isuzu Trooper with decent all terrain tires spinning all four wheels on flat ground. I wasn't sinking, but I had to get out and drop the air way down just to get a hundred yards back to the dry stuff!

David K - 7-24-2020 at 07:51 AM

Good man... air down for the win!