BajaNomad - The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists

That said Prilosec Max OTC has been shown to be effective in reducing the severity and length of symptoms if started when symptoms are first noticed. It is thought it works because it’s an “H2” inhibitor. It can’t be taken long term however as it looses effectiveness after about a month.

Many “at risk” individuals could be placed on Hydroxychloroquine for the 6 or so months until a vaccine is available.

53,000 patient test group suggested taking Prilosec OTC a PPI led to a much greater health risk.
Prevacid a PPB is the one that let to health benefits.

“We found a strong, independent effect of using PPIs on risk of COVID-19, including a dose-response relationship with nearly a four-fold increased risk for twice daily dosing. But we found no relationship with the less powerful H2RAs, such as famotidine or cimetidine,” he added.

https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus/increased-risk-of-covid...

Grenadiers - 7-25-2020 at 11:29 AM

Let the red-hats, nation-wide be the test ‘dummies’ since they’re halfway there already.

mtgoat666 - 7-25-2020 at 11:32 AM

The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists

By Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD , Professor of Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health

As professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications and currently hold senior positions on the editorial boards of several leading journals. I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily. Fortunately, the situation can be reversed easily and quickly.

I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine. When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exis...

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For those that don't already know, Newsweek is not a right-wing publication. Please read the article at the link above before composing a politically inspired rebuttal.

Or maybe the”key” is social distancing and mandatory masking! :light:

Its a funny world when common sense mask solution to airborne disease transmission is labeled a socialist anti-freedom commie conspiracy of george soros and bill gates.
Truly, the right wing nuts (and pusa) are cookoo

[Edited on 7-25-2020 by mtgoat666]

TMW - 7-25-2020 at 01:00 PM

Isn't hydroxychloroquine the drug Trump was pushing when all this first started and everyone claimed it didn't work.

SFandH - 7-25-2020 at 01:16 PM

Isn't hydroxychloroquine the drug Trump was pushing when all this first started and everyone claimed it didn't work.

Trump was taking it to prevent getting infected.

I think this thread is about taking it as a treatment after infection.

[Edited on 7-25-2020 by SFandH]

Barry A. - 7-25-2020 at 02:22 PM

Isn't hydroxychloroquine the drug Trump was pushing when all this first started and everyone claimed it didn't work.

Trump was taking it to prevent getting infected.

I think this thread is about taking it as a treatment after infection.

[Edited on 7-25-2020 by SFandH]

That seems misleading, to me. Wasn't Pres. Trump taking it in case he became infected?? (not to "prevent getting infected") Words and phrases are tricky.

SFandH - 7-25-2020 at 03:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

Isn't hydroxychloroquine the drug Trump was pushing when all this first started and everyone claimed it didn't work.

Trump was taking it to prevent getting infected.

I think this thread is about taking it as a treatment after infection.

[Edited on 7-25-2020 by SFandH]

That seems misleading, to me. Wasn't Pres. Trump taking it in case he became infected?? (not to "prevent getting infected") Words and phrases are tricky.

Could be, sorta like a pre-treatment. Maybe. Did he ever clearly say why he was taking it?

Hydroxychloroquine prevents malaria, so it is a prophylactic for that infection.

Alm - 7-25-2020 at 04:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Or maybe the”key” is social distancing and mandatory masking!]

Both measures have been proven to work and don't have side-effects on your health. Also, isolation of positive asymptomatic cases. Distancing is a form of isolation. The problem is that half of the USA population perceive such measures as a threat to their freedom. Taking drugs is apparently more in line with North-American culture.

A vaccine will not protect you 100% or even 70% - it doesn't, with influenza. And it will be years before we'll know all the possible undesirable effects on human genes and immune system.

[Edited on 7-25-2020 by Alm]

TMW - 7-25-2020 at 04:58 PM

Here is where it started on Nomad.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=94509

SFandH - 7-25-2020 at 05:01 PM

The big experiment coming up is the opening of schools.

Alm - 7-25-2020 at 05:10 PM

Here is where it started on Nomad.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=94509

Started, ended, and started again.

But you are wrong - there was an earlier post by Bob & Susan where he/she suggested HCQ, don't remember based on what sources or whether there were any sources. Some nursing homes started it at that time, and then stopped.

In June FDA revoked the recommendation of emergency use of HCQ. The preventive effect of the drug is unclear.

Bob and Susan - 7-25-2020 at 05:14 PM

200 mg de hidroxicloroquina 2 veces al día
500 mg de azitromicina 1 vez al día
220 mg de sulfato de zinc 1 vez al día

SFandH - 7-25-2020 at 05:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan

200 mg de hidroxicloroquina 2 veces al día
500 mg de azitromicina 1 vez al día
220 mg de sulfato de zinc 1 vez al día

Why? To prevent getting the infection or to lessen the severity if you get the infection?

[Edited on 7-26-2020 by SFandH]

Alm - 7-25-2020 at 05:47 PM

To obtain a reliable proof that some drug prevents from getting sick with coronavirus, one - ideally - should run a trial where half the patients are given the drug and half - a placebo, and then all of them are given a shot or a swab of coronovirus

.

To lessen the severity... I've seen as many articles stating that it does lessen it, as articles stating the opposite. Not surprisingly, nearly all such studies were related to symptomatic patients, many - hospitalized. You really need to test everybody, to catch asymptomatic ones.

SFandH - 7-25-2020 at 06:14 PM

To obtain a reliable proof that some drug prevents from getting sick with coronavirus, one - ideally - should run a trial where half the patients are given the drug and half - a placebo, and then all of them are given a shot or a swab of coronovirus

That is certainly unethical (do no harm) and probably illegal.

Alm - 7-25-2020 at 07:25 PM

That is certainly unethical (do no harm) and probably illegal.

So they don't do it. Such trials are population studies, not really clinical, efficiency is estimated, not measured.

Vaccinated patients are compared to general population after several months to see if the difference is statistically significant. For results to be conclusive, the gen pop must be up to their neck in infection, right now USA is a suitable environment. Some companies are planning testing in China, UAE and Canada where virus circulation is lower. And long term side effects of the vaccine are not even a part of the study yet. Messy.

Edit-PS: These trials are for "real" vaccines, not HCQ. Of the top of my head, there is currently one big trial for HCQ as a preventive drug, run by UK university out of Thailand. They will be giving it to healthcare workers and see what happens. British trial for HCQ as a treatment has failed to show any benefit and they postponed this preventive trial, but now it's under way (I think).

[Edited on 7-26-2020 by Alm]

BajaNomad - 7-25-2020 at 09:39 PM

https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+vaccine+volunteers&...

That is certainly unethical (do no harm) and probably illegal.

BajaNomad - 7-25-2020 at 09:42 PM

The big experiment coming up is the opening of schools.

That would be the *next* big experiment, or one of them. Just sayin'.

BornFisher - 7-25-2020 at 10:03 PM

What do you get when you mix medicine with politics?
Answer---- 100% politics!!!

SFandH - 7-26-2020 at 12:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad

That is certainly unethical (do no harm) and probably illegal.

https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+vaccine+volunteers&...

That's very different from what Alm described and I responded to.

[Edited on 7-26-2020 by SFandH]

SunDevil - 7-26-2020 at 06:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Or maybe the”key” is social distancing and mandatory masking! :light:

This thread is about treatment for someone that has contracted the coronavirus. Asking these people to wear a mask is like closing the barn door after the horses are loose.

Maybe the best way to avoid dying from the coronavirus is to drop a few pounds, but that is a lot to ask of most people.

SunDevil - 7-26-2020 at 06:43 AM

Most doctors would argue that to subject half their sick patients to the placebo treatment, when there is something better, is not very helpful.

mtgoat666 - 7-26-2020 at 07:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Or maybe the”key” is social distancing and mandatory masking! :light:

People with covid 19 are the people that should be wearing a mask! :light:

This disease is beatable. Wear a mask and be socially distant. Insist that your government REQUIRE social distancing for those people too stupid to practice social distancing on their own.

Alm - 7-26-2020 at 09:20 AM

Most doctors would argue that to subject half their sick patients to the placebo treatment, when there is something better, is not very helpful.

This has no relation to Phase 2-3 clinical trials using placebo. At this point there is no evidence yet that there is anything helpful.

Alm - 7-26-2020 at 09:35 AM

Asking these {infected} people to wear a mask is like closing the barn door after the horses are loose.

Not really. Infected people should take steps to prevent spreading it. This is why most countries, including the USA, recommend isolation of positive cases. Wearing a mask lowers the risk as well.

BajaTed - 7-26-2020 at 11:08 AM

Find a way to get a minimal viral load and the anti-bodies & T-cells you create will make the virus null.
Basic approach since viruses were discovered.
Sharing blood plasma is most common method, but there is NO MONEY in plasma thus that approach won't be used.

Alm - 7-26-2020 at 11:40 AM

https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+vaccine+volunteers&tbm=nws[/rquote]
That's very different from what Alm described and I responded to.

If you scroll down to proposed "human challenge trials", this would be what you responded/objected to - intentionally attempting to infect vaccinated volunteers. What is holding it is the absence of "rescue drug" in case if vaccine doesn't work. They did it in the past with diseases where rescue drug was available.

Other vaccine trials - those ethical ones - don't include intentional exposure, they rely on comparisons to general population that is supposedly exposed.

pacificobob - 7-28-2020 at 07:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan

200 mg de hidroxicloroquina 2 veces al día
500 mg de azitromicina 1 vez al día
220 mg de sulfato de zinc 1 vez al día

was this research from trump university school of medicine? then republished in the baja nomad journal of medicine.

[Edited on 7-28-2020 by pacificobob]

caj13 - 7-28-2020 at 08:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed

Find a way to get a minimal viral load and the anti-bodies & T-cells you create will make the virus null.
Basic approach since viruses were discovered.
Sharing blood plasma is most common method, but there is NO MONEY in plasma thus that approach won't be used.

I wish it was that simple Ted. One of the big issues is how long those antibodies stick around in the body. unfortunately there is a growing body of evidence that the antibodies in this case are quite short "lived" ie they disappear in relatively short time. We should not be surprised by that, Corona virus antibodies for whatever reason seem to show that characteristic. Therefore no vaccines for colds, and natural immunity from a cold lasts just a few weeks or months.

It now seems likely (to me, and this is only me making an educated guess, on limited data) that the vaccines they are developing will need to be repeatedly administered - somewhat like we do with flu vaccines (but for different reasons obviously).

I can forsee that you will need proof of vaccination to enroll in schools, enter sporting events etc this is a whole new kind of threat to humans, and we are the ones who will have to adapt. we will get this thing under control - using science.

Terry28 - 7-28-2020 at 09:08 AM

Just keep drinking the trump kool aid.....Darwin will win in the end....

Sure Cure

MrBillM - 7-28-2020 at 09:27 PM

Seeing again today DT pimping his " I took it and I don't have Covid" Hydroxy hypothesis, I realized that he may be on to something.

Although I'm one of those in the most vulnerable groups, I've been taking mostly regular (12-24 oz. daily) doses of Stella Artois and haven't contracted the virus so it's pretty obvious that is the answer.

Just to be sure, though, I'm trying to contact the Doc that DT is now promoting. The one who revealed that medical researchers are experimenting with Alien DNA and working on a vaccine to prevent religiousity. Her medical confirmation would be invaluable.

Slainte !

RFClark - 7-29-2020 at 07:24 AM

“ Real studies do exactly what ALM is talking about with half the patients, and SFndH, sounds confused.

Many people signed up for these studies knowing the risks, it's only unethical is you're doing it on black people without their knowledge like they did a few decades back.”

So Troll, your “degree” is from the “Mengele School of Medicine” because most other places follow this rule!

“Clause 33 of the Declaration of Helsinki, states that, “The benefits, risks, burdens and effectiveness of a new intervention must be tested against those of the best proven intervention(s).”{1} It goes on to stress that, “In any medical study, every patient should be assured of the best proven diagnostic and therapeutic methods and no patient should suffer from unnecessary pain.”

Here is the URL to a recent, large, peer reviewed U.S. study that found Hydroxychloroquine reduced death in their patients by half!

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

RFClark - 7-29-2020 at 07:39 AM

There was a Troll here briefly!

The Administrator returned him to the neither regions of his bridge to wait for passers by to eat!

For which I say, “Good Morning and thank you”!

RFClark - 7-29-2020 at 07:59 AM

In other news!

“ WASHINGTON – Former Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain remains hospitalized for COVID-19 after being admitted nearly one month ago.

An update to his Twitter account on Monday announced the 74-year-old "is still in the hospital being treated with oxygen for his lungs. In the meantime, the doctors say his other organs and systems are strong."

"Re-strengthening the lungs is a long and slow process, and the doctors want to be thorough about it," a following tweet continued, with another thanking supporters for their prayers.

"He really is getting better, which means it is working," the posts concluded.”

Herman has been through a lot! He survived “terminal cancer” over a decade ago! It’s good to hear he’s on the mend!

LancairDriver - 7-29-2020 at 11:10 AM

Why are some individuals who are exposed to the virus never taken down by it or have very minor symptoms? The obvious answer has to be the condition of their immune system.
When a reliable method of gauging individual immune systems is developed that will be the first step in understanding a possible path to prevention.

caj13 - 7-30-2020 at 10:46 AM

In other news!

“ WASHINGTON – Former Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain remains hospitalized for COVID-19 after being admitted nearly one month ago. .. recovery stuff cut out - because it was obviously "Fake News"

Apparently an overly optimistic report, as Herman went to see the original godfather this morning. RIP Mr. Cain

just to be clear, he almost certainly contracted the virus when he attended the Trump Tulsa Rally. Kind of ironic, don't you think?

https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/30/herman-cain-dead-dies-74-sick...

[Edited on 7-30-2020 by caj13]

Don Pisto - 7-30-2020 at 12:26 PM

a little too ironic yeah I really do think....

John Harper - 7-30-2020 at 02:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

a little too ironic yeah I really do think....

Who says God has no sense of humor?

John

SFandH - 7-30-2020 at 06:33 PM

It's a sad thing when people die, especially for family and friends. BUT, people need to smarten up. Stay home if you can, wear a mask otherwise.

cain.jpg - 23kB

del mar - 7-30-2020 at 10:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

a little too ironic yeah I really do think....

pacificobob - 7-31-2020 at 09:13 AM

commentson how stats are being reportedin Mexico.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-29/mexico-de...

[Edited on 7-31-2020 by pacificobob]

[Edited on 7-31-2020 by BajaNomad]

RFClark - 7-31-2020 at 01:27 PM

I read it on the internet it must be true! (Not!) Herman was a 15 year Cancer survivor from stage 4 metastasized colon cancer! R.I.P. Herman!

elgatoloco - 7-31-2020 at 04:29 PM

I read it on the internet it must be true! (Not!) Herman was a 15 year Cancer survivor from stage 4 metastasized colon cancer! R.I.P. Herman!

Could have lived another 15 if he stayed out of tulsa. Sad but true.

John Harper - 7-31-2020 at 04:48 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/31/mexico-preside...

I read it on the internet it must be true! (Not!) Herman was a 15 year Cancer survivor from stage 4 metastasized colon cancer! R.I.P. Herman!

Could have lived another 15 if he stayed out of tulsa. Sad but true.

Stupid is as stupid does.

John

Don Pisto - 7-31-2020 at 05:04 PM

no problem AMLO's got it figured out!

mtgoat666 - 7-31-2020 at 06:13 PM

I read it on the internet it must be true! (Not!) Herman was a 15 year Cancer survivor from stage 4 metastasized colon cancer! R.I.P. Herman!

Could have lived another 15 if he stayed out of tulsa. Sad but true.

Stupid is as stupid does.

John

A question for you anti-mask freedom fighters:

Is your motto “Live free or die” or “Live free and die?”

Put it on his tombstone: Herman went to his grave a free man!

[Edited on 8-1-2020 by mtgoat666]

paranewbi - 8-1-2020 at 03:41 AM

I read it on the internet it must be true! (Not!) Herman was a 15 year Cancer survivor from stage 4 metastasized colon cancer! R.I.P. Herman!

Could have lived another 15 if he stayed out of tulsa. Sad but true.

Stupid is as stupid does.

John

We'll probably never know what 'smart' living is...all of us pretty much try to kill ourselves the first opportunity we get. Our diet, our lifestyles, our self incriminating plans. The day you die is the evidence of the days you lost being 'smart'.

It is said that eternal is only valid if self applied; In the garden of Eden, Adam's life was only eternal if he stayed away from playing between two elephants!

I'd add, or eating stuff that was bad for him.

SunDevil - 8-1-2020 at 05:13 AM

51 Global Studies Find HCQ Effective in Treating COVID-19 — 16 Find HCQ NOT Effective

Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP) studies are very positive.

Post Exposure Prophylaxis (PEP) studies are positive. One study reports a lack of significance, but analysis shows significance, see detailed explanation.

Early treatment studies are very positive.

Late treatment studies are mixed, with effectiveness from slightly negative to very positive. Generally no significant harm except with higher than typical dosages.

Positive/negative effects vary in nature, degree, and certainty, please read the papers or descriptions thereof for more details.

https://c19study.com/

OVID-19 is the cure for STUPIDITY!

wessongroup - 8-1-2020 at 07:08 AM

:biggrin:

Would think that there are a lot of Doctors and/or medical staff that could use a break ... They have been hitting it for a long while .. plus the LE and Fire

ER in a hospital and/or a Field Hospital doesn't suffer fools or stupidity .. IMO

And the teacher's union wants WHAT :lol:

[Edited on 8-1-2020 by wessongroup]

John Harper - 8-1-2020 at 09:32 AM

Funny how so many "religious" Americans scoff at the power of one of God's creations. Herman Cain found out the hard way.

John

David K - 8-1-2020 at 11:33 AM

Funny how so many "religious" Americans scoff at the power of one of God's creations. Herman Cain found out the hard way.

John

Was not the virus created by and intentionally spread internationally by the (Godless) Communist Chinese? :?:

chippy - 8-1-2020 at 12:16 PM

Funny how so many "religious" Americans scoff at the power of one of God's creations. Herman Cain found out the hard way.

John

Was not the virus created by and intentionally spread internationally by the (Godless) Communist Chinese? :?:

Wow

. Ignorance knows no bounds.

David K - 8-1-2020 at 12:24 PM

It was a question, to John's post that introduced religion and God into this thread, just a question.

John Harper - 8-2-2020 at 05:25 AM

Was not the virus created by and intentionally spread internationally by the (Godless) Communist Chinese? :?:

You have a wonderful sense of humor, David. A good laugh with morning coffee is a great way to start the day.

John

[Edited on 8-2-2020 by John Harper]

elgatoloco - 8-2-2020 at 12:23 PM

censorship

BajaNomad - 8-2-2020 at 01:49 PM

censorship

I know.

Thank you for your kind understanding sir.

:saint:

elgatoloco - 8-2-2020 at 03:24 PM

Time to move on and send this thread to the OT where it will die a slow and painful death like........................... DEMON SEX :rolleyes:

"Assistant Secretary for Health Adm. Brett Giroir pushed back against President Donald Trump’s obsession with unproven anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine on Sunday, stating unequivocally that he “can’t recommend” the drug as a coronavirus treatment and that it’s time to “move on” from it.

Over the past week, the president and his allies have renewed their embrace of the controversial medication after a fringe group of doctors touted it as a coronavirus “cure” in a viral video. Trump continued to endorse the video even after finding out that Dr. Stella Immanuel, one of the most outspoken members of the group, claimed that “alien DNA” was in medicine and some female medical problems are caused by demon sex."

elgatoloco - 8-2-2020 at 03:26 PM

Funny how so many "religious" Americans scoff at the power of one of God's creations. Herman Cain found out the hard way.

John

Was not the virus created by and intentionally spread internationally by the (Godless) Communist Chinese? :?:

NO.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-scientists-think-of...

SFandH - 8-2-2020 at 04:14 PM

New England Journal of Medicine

A Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Postexposure Prophylaxis for Covid-19

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

David K - 8-2-2020 at 05:15 PM

That report only talks about its use to prevent Covid-19, NOT how it has been helping people recover from it.
The details matter! :light:

SFandH - 8-2-2020 at 05:49 PM

University of Minnesota

"For early treatment of mild COVID-19, University of Minnesota trial shows hydroxychloroquine has no benefit over placebo"

https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events/early-treatment-mild...

motoged - 8-2-2020 at 06:01 PM

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Was not the virus created by and intentionally spread internationally by the (Godless) Communist Chinese? :?:

David,
Your Mr. Helpful image has evaporated with this hateful comment.

[Edited on 8-3-2020 by motoged]

LancairDriver - 8-2-2020 at 09:51 PM

Funny how so many "religious" Americans scoff at the power of one of God's creations. Herman Cain found out the hard way.

John

Was not the virus created by and intentionally spread internationally by the (Godless) Communist Chinese? :?:

Although the Chinese have gained the status of our latest enemy du jour after the Russian threat rhetoric wore thin, maybe we can look a little closer to home or to one of our 200 biolabs around the world.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/28/biolabs-patho...

SunDevil - 8-3-2020 at 05:48 AM

University of Minnesota

"For early treatment of mild COVID-19, University of Minnesota trial shows hydroxychloroquine has no benefit over placebo"

https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events/early-treatment-mild...

This study did not test using hydroxychloroquine with any of the antibiotics that have been seen as helpful.

[Edited on 8-3-2020 by SunDevil]

pacificobob - 8-3-2020 at 06:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Was not the virus created by and intentionally spread internationally by the (Godless) Communist Chinese? :?:

I am speechless. :wow:

david, i am going to assume you are attempting humor here......i certainly hope so

pacificobob - 8-3-2020 at 06:52 AM

david, perhaps this will be helpful to increase your understanding of current events.

https://youtu.be/ixjvIe7w7eg

David K - 8-3-2020 at 07:21 AM

Does the question mark at the end of my question not show on everyone's screen?

motoged - 8-3-2020 at 08:12 AM

You can't worm your way out of your cretinous statement.
You obviously know nothing about China or its people.... "?" :mad:

You ,like your ungodly prez, are unable to accept responsibility.

Grow up.

caj13 - 8-3-2020 at 09:00 AM

That report only talks about its use to prevent Covid-19, NOT how it has been helping people recover from it.
The details matter! :light:

I'm Glad you feel that way David - so here's a bunch of details examining all of the research done so far - I'll let you read it and report back what the details say about the efficacy of hydroxy - either as a prophylactic preventative, or as a cure.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-hyd...

we will all wait patiently for your response David, after you read and understand the details, please let us know if we should be using hydroxy to "cure Covid"

[Edited on 8-3-2020 by caj13]

caj13 - 8-3-2020 at 09:02 AM

Does the question mark at the end of my question not show on everyone's screen?

sometimes political punditry (especially of the racist Ilk) is disguised as rhetorical questions - but you already knew that, didn't you David!

LancairDriver - 8-3-2020 at 10:18 AM

That report only talks about its use to prevent Covid-19, NOT how it has been helping people recover from it.
The details matter! :light:

Isn’t the internet wonderful? It has the clueless sheep buying into and quoting their latest favorite “expert” spouting their latest scientific findings from the latest poll on the undisputed truth about climate change, medical findings, favorite politician, etc. etc.
Before Al Gore invented the internet, how in the world was anyone able to make an intelligent decision before consulting their favorite Politician or Scientist?

caj13 - 8-3-2020 at 10:27 AM

51 Global Studies Find HCQ Effective in Treating COVID-19 — 16 Find HCQ NOT Effective

Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP) studies are very positive.

Post Exposure Prophylaxis (PEP) studies are positive. One study reports a lack of significance, but analysis shows significance, see detailed explanation.

Early treatment studies are very positive.

Late treatment studies are mixed, with effectiveness from slightly negative to very positive. Generally no significant harm except with higher than typical dosages.

Positive/negative effects vary in nature, degree, and certainty, please read the papers or descriptions thereof for more details.

https://c19study.com/

so - that's a very interesting website.
dirst of all - Dr Zelenko who identifies himself as being at jacobs school of medicine & Biomedical sciences at university of Buffalo - well i find no listing under that name in their faculty or in their research write ups about covid - that seems strange? he did apparently graduate from there in 2000,
Interestingly enough Dr. Zelenko is now suffering from "major Cancer of the heart" and cannot see patients, but needs your money to continue his research!
There is no contact information for the website or organization I can find.
no explanation of who judges the efficacy of each study,
no indication of what organization or individual put up the website,
or who funded it.
It also seems to be missing a large number of double blind peer reviewed studies that have come out in the past month or so that say - uh - nope nuthing good here!
additionally some of the "positive" studies they list have already been shown to be flawed in their methodology, or analysis, or design.

But hey - at least it backs up your personal views - right. be my guest, load up on Hydroxy - head out to your local bar & house of worship, and loudly proclaim your "truth"

[Edited on 8-3-2020 by caj13]

[Edited on 8-3-2020 by caj13]

caj13 - 8-3-2020 at 11:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver

That report only talks about its use to prevent Covid-19, NOT how it has been helping people recover from it.
The details matter! :light:

well we used to spend a lot of time reading peer reviewed Journals. Now we can get those over the internet, some subscription, some free. we have access to a much broader spectrum of peer reviews journals than we used to have in the past. Additionally the internet gives us instant access. In the old days we would have to trudge over to the research library, look up stuff in the science citation index, and get the journals we needed from the library, and make a copy of the paper we wanted, so we could put it into our personal collections. - unless the library didn't have that specific journal subscription. In that case we would have to wait a week or 2 for it to come in under interspecific library loan. Now, its almost instant, and broad spectrum, we have access to so much more information, so much quicker. BUT, you have to rely on your education and training to allow you to make valid assessments of claims made in the papers!
So in assement: notice the link I posted - thats a review article, it looks at numerous studies, not just one or 2. and if the authors think a study has weaknesses - they point those out specifically. see thats review, scientists putting their work out there for review by other qualified individuals. sometimes the original authors get it right, often they get it wrong, thats why we have peer review!

The unfortunate side of the internet is under educated individuals who have no idea about science, how its done, statistical analysis, fact checking, broad background knowledge, knowledge of other studies etc think that whatever they see on the internet is true if it aligns with their personal beliefs, or is fake news if it's contrary to their beliefs.

everyone's entitled to their opinions, but

scientists try and justify their beliefs and ideas with data, reviewed research, and knowledge of mechanisms and past histories! They should provide a logical argument, and framework of their posts, backed up by peer reviewed science and data.

SunDevil - 8-3-2020 at 04:21 PM

Indian slum contained a possible COVID-19 disaster with hydroxychloroquine

Indian doctors used hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for prophylaxis (preventive) treatment — the same drug the American media have politicized.

Officials have credited this turnaround to "[a] combination of hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D, and zinc tablets along with homeopathic medicines."

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/this-indian-slum-contai...

pacificobob - 8-3-2020 at 04:59 PM

Indian slum contained a possible COVID-19 disaster with hydroxychloroquine

Indian doctors used hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for prophylaxis (preventive) treatment — the same drug the American media have politicized.

Officials have credited this turnaround to "[a] combination of hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D, and zinc tablets along with homeopathic medicines."

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/this-indian-slum-contai...

that website is an interesting one . it also endorsed trumps Nigerian demon semen doctor. see the petition section.....

[Edited on 8-4-2020 by pacificobob]

Bajazly - 8-3-2020 at 07:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

that website is an interesting one . it also endorsed trumps Nigerian demon semen doctor. see the petition section.....

[Edited on 8-4-2020 by pacificobob]

Anything from the American Thinker needs to be taken with a big ole sack of salt as well.

caj13 - 8-3-2020 at 09:32 PM

Heres the real story, turns out it was stupid stuff like quarantine and contact tracing, Hdroxy had nothing to do with it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/how-a-pack...

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-06-24/dharav...

SunDevil - 8-4-2020 at 05:36 AM

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

FDA Delays on HCQ Outpatient Approval Are Causing Deaths Daily

On July, 1 Henry Ford Hospital physicians and researchers in Detroit filed an urgent request to FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn for a new outpatient Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for FDA approval of HCQ to be used in early treatment for COVID-19.

Baylor Scott & White Heart and Vascular Institute in Dallas, issued an urgent appeal supporting the Henry Ford EUA application, based on their clinical study of prophylactic use of HCQ in their own medical workers.

Baylor cardiologists emphasized there were no adverse cardiac outcomes in their own or the Ford study.

Henry Ford’s new clinical trial found an impressive 51% reduction in deaths if HCQ was begun within 24 hours of admission to hospital.

An outpatient primary care study by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, using HCQ, azithromycin and zinc given within less than 7 days of COVID-19 symptoms, showed approximately 80% decrease in deaths, and less than 1% of his patients needed to be admitted to hospital.

If the FDA had acted quickly on the Henry Ford and Baylor approval request for HCQ, we can reasonably consider that 16,000 lives could have been saved since July 1.

https://aapsonline.org/fda-delays-on-hcq-outpatient-approval...

SFandH - 8-4-2020 at 06:14 AM