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Who is now vaccinated and ready for Baja?

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elgatoloco - 3-20-2021 at 11:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Back to the topic..... I'm 61 w/MS & hypertension but I still don't quality for a vaccine in CA. Soon I hope, I am planning to help mi suegro in the latter part of May and early June to continue house repair work and to follow him home. We have been enjoying getting back into fly fishing this past year, I really miss Baja Ca Sur and the SoC. Looking forward to paddling, fishing, snorkeling & whale sharks.


You CAN make an appointment

https://covid19.ca.gov/

People with a high chance of exposure, high-risk, and those 65 or older are eligible for vaccination and can schedule appointments now. If you’re eligible, and live or work in certain counties, you can schedule an appointment through My Turn. Appointments are available in Spanish.


Unfortunately., Multiple Sclerosis and Hypertension are excluded from the list of current eligibility. I did go on line to schedule but it rubs me the wrong way to lie. I'm good to wait - I am retired and am not at risk of catching or spreading.


10-4. Take care. Be safe. I will get mine right after you do. :dudette:

gnukid - 3-21-2021 at 10:06 AM

Experimental vaccine death rate for Israel’s elderly 40 times higher than COVID-19 deaths: researchers
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death...

Vaccination in Israel: Challenging mortality figures?
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/297051

America’s Frontline Doctors White Paper On Experimental Vaccines For COVID-19
https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/99d35b02-a5cb-41e6-ad80-a07...

Death rates skyrocket in Israel following Pfizer experimental COVID “vaccines”
https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/2021...

Hadassah research head raises questions about mRNA vaccine safety
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/hadassah-research-head-...

ADVERSE EFFECTS OF MESSENGER RNA VACCINES
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRNA%20vaccine%20review%...

BajaTed - 3-21-2021 at 11:23 AM

Gnukid: Summary of above;
The spin control of the religious cultures in the world versus what the secular vaccine solution has provided is what religions around the world are trying to deal with.
In marketing terms; ALL their brands have been hurt. All hands on deck.

gnukid - 3-21-2021 at 11:42 AM

The Israel dataset of Pfizer vaccinated population versus non-vaccinated population, shows a large number of deaths and adverse effects, which is far worse than the risk of Covid infection, causing alarm.

Israel is unique in that they are at about 50% population vaccinated, which is a much larger data set than other demographics. The data is associated with the experimental Pfizer mRNA product has shown a larger amount of adverse effects and deaths than compared to non-vaccinated populations by a factor of 40 times, which is alarming. There are also a variety of adverse effects.

Are More People Being Harmed by the Pfizer Experimental “Vaccine” than from COVID? Israeli Population Now the World’s Lab Rats Sold Out to Pfizer
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/are-more-people-being-harm...

This is not a vaccine
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/294852

COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless
https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifical...

Frontline Doctors: Experimental vaccines are ‘not safer’ than COVID-19
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/frontline-doctors-experime...

Israel is waging a war on the unvaccinated as it races to be the world's first inoculated nation
https://www.businessinsider.in/science/news/israel-is-waging...

mRNA discussion Dr. Dolores Cahill, professor of molecular genetics, School of Medicine at University College Dublin
https://youtu.be/vca1uVerXGQ?t=243



[Edited on 3-21-2021 by gnukid]

mtgoat666 - 3-25-2021 at 12:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
The Israel dataset of Pfizer vaccinated population versus non-vaccinated population, shows a large number of deaths and adverse effects, which is far worse than the risk of Covid infection, causing alarm.

Israel is unique in that they are at about 50% population vaccinated, which is a much larger data set than other demographics. The data is associated with the experimental Pfizer mRNA product has shown a larger amount of adverse effects and deaths than compared to non-vaccinated populations by a factor of 40 times, which is alarming. There are also a variety of adverse effects.

Are More People Being Harmed by the Pfizer Experimental “Vaccine” than from COVID? Israeli Population Now the World’s Lab Rats Sold Out to Pfizer
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/are-more-people-being-harm...



[Edited on 3-21-2021 by gnukid]


*****


Why do you respond to Paul? He is trolling you.
His mother has been vaccinated, and Paul did not try to talk his mother out of it.
His older siblings have been vaccinated, and Paul did not email them his nonsense and links to try and talk his siblings out of it.
As soon as Santa Clara county opens up vaccinations for his middle-aged age group (yes, Paul is in his mid fifties, he is old!), Paul will get on the first plane to San Jose to get his vaccination.




[Edited on 3-29-2021 by BajaNomad]

pacificobob - 3-25-2021 at 12:25 PM

gnu, is your goal to change minds? if so, how do you feel about how thats going?

do you think it's likely that each laundry list of links will sway more readers to agree with you?

myself, i don't see much potential for additional readers to suddenly "see the light"


cocomo - 3-25-2021 at 05:59 PM

I am outta here, the land of the deranged US media calling Mexicans "Murderers and Rapists". You and I all know they're not!!! They're the most hardworking family oriented honest people I've had the pleasure of living with. I need to get away from the Murderers and Rapists and go back to the land of good values.

Some of you calling Covid-19 the "China Virus" are scaring me though. "Kung flu" is even worse!!! Are you flock*ng serious!?!?! WTF is WRONG WITH YOU?????
Chinese and I look it. Born in CA. Where am I FROM?!?!?! Same place as you, my MOM.

JZ - 3-25-2021 at 06:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cocomo  
I am outta here, the land of the deranged US media calling Mexicans "Murderers and Rapists". You and I all know they're not!!! They're the most hardworking family oriented honest people I've had the pleasure of living with. I need to get away from the Murderers and Rapists and go back to the land of good values.

Some of you calling Covid-19 the "China Virus" are scaring me though. "Kung flu" is even worse!!! Are you flock*ng serious!?!?! WTF is WRONG WITH YOU?????
Chinese and I look it. Born in CA. Where am I FROM?!?!?! Same place as you, my MOM.


Trump was very wrong with this. No doubt about that.

cocomo - 3-25-2021 at 06:10 PM

ONE of us sounds VERY RACIST on this thread, no I take that back A BUNCH of you need to do some reading

[Edited on 3-26-2021 by cocomo]

cocomo - 3-25-2021 at 07:19 PM

Blaming others for disease has a long history in the US. If one ACTUALLY believes that the flu names we get immunizations for every year are ACTUALLY from Asia, you are being duped and are part of the problem. Do your homework. Anyone can call names. Being smart is MUCH harder.

https://time.com/5807376/virus-name-foreign-history/

gnukid - 3-25-2021 at 08:46 PM

Be aware there are false vaccines being offered for sale, as well as, injuries reported from the various government distributed experimental vaccines, including AztraZeneca, Sputnik, Pfizer and Sinovac.

Decomisadas en México más de 5.000 dosis falsas de la vacuna rusa Sputnik V
https://elpais.com/mexico/2021-03-18/decomisadas-en-mexico-m...

Decomisan vacunas falsas contra covid-19 en Baja California
https://es-us.noticias.yahoo.com/decomisan-vacunas-falsas-co...

Alertan a la ciudadanía por venta de vacunas falsas de Covid-19
https://www.elsudcaliforniano.com.mx/local/municipios/alerta...

Falsas vacunas para la covid por 150 dólares: México lucha contra las estafas en la pandemia
https://elpais.com/mexico/2021-02-11/vacunas-para-la-covid-f...

En CdMx, adulto mayor murió 17 días después de recibir vacuna anticovid Sputnik V
https://www.milenio.com/politica/comunidad/cdmx-adulto-murio...

Una mujer muere en México después de ser vacunada contra el covid-19; López-Gatell informa que el país continuará con la vacunación
https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2021/03/12/mexico-vacuna-covid-mu...

¿Es peligrosa? Mueren dos personas más tras recibir vacuna contra covid-19 de AstraZeneca
https://www.milenio.com/internacional/coronavirus-mueren-per...

Muere enfermera tras recibir vacuna contra covid-19 de AstraZeneca; estuvo en coma
https://www.milenio.com/internacional/coronavirus-muere-enfe...


Anciana muere 15 minutos después de aplicarse vacuna contra Covid-19 en México
https://www.laprensagrafica.com/tendencias/Anciana-muere-15-...

Abuelito de Azcapotzalco muere tras recibir vacuna contra covid
https://www.excelsior.com.mx/comunidad/abuelito-de-azcapotza...

Vacuna COVID: Mujer muere minutos después de recibir dosis de SINOVAC en México
https://elbocon.pe/trends/vacuna-covid-mujer-muere-minutos-d...

https://www.debate.com.mx/mundo/Joven-enfermera-muere-luego-...





[Edited on 3-26-2021 by gnukid]

Skipjack Joe - 3-26-2021 at 01:01 AM

From Secretaria de Salud:

This Thursday Mexico received the fifth #Sinovac shipment with a million #COVID19 vaccines.

Mexico has received 4 million #Vaccines Sinovac against the virus #SARSCoV2. The million doses that arrived in the early morning adds to shipments of 200 thousand doses on February 20, 800 thousand on February 27th, one million on March 13th and one on 18th. March th.

By April, three million more vaccines from China-based Sinovac pharmaceuticals are expected.

Our country has received 9 million 818, 375 vaccines packaged by #Pfizer, #Sinovac, #AstraZeneca and #SputnikV; which with 940 thousand 470 doses #CanSino packaged in Querétaro by Drugmex make a total of 10 million 758 thousand 845 doses.

Bajabus - 3-26-2021 at 07:25 AM

I'm not to worried about the Pfizer vaccine, my DNA is probably already altered from all the LSD I have taken over the years:lol:

Bajabus - 3-26-2021 at 02:21 PM

I would be very worried about any hair dresser, they seem easily excitable.

elgatoloco - 3-27-2021 at 10:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  

Kind of like looking at his notes, to know what to do


Yes because being prepared for an important task is so unnecessary. Even if it would help with your opportunity to continue doing that task or losing the chance in a big fabulous glorious wonderful way. You know, by getting shot in a duel and losing or, you know losing something else. You know. :saint:

DouglasP - 3-29-2021 at 07:09 AM

This place is ridiculous. I pop in once in awhile to see if it's changed.
Nope, still the same, actually a bit worse.
Dog piles from the usual small minded clowns. Editing by the Jack Dorsey wanna be owner.....

It's all Twitter Lite up in here.

AguaDulce - 3-29-2021 at 08:28 AM

Agree

David K - 3-29-2021 at 08:37 AM

There are still good parts of Nomad:

Baja Trip Reports:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=50

Baja Road Conditions:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=16

Baja Historic Interests & Literature:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=24

Skipjack Joe - 4-1-2021 at 06:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP  
This place is ridiculous. I pop in once in awhile to see if it's changed.
Nope, still the same, actually a bit worse.
Dog piles from the usual small minded clowns. Editing by the Jack Dorsey wanna be owner.....

It's all Twitter Lite up in here.


I suspect the covid tug-of-war you're seeing here is being duplicated just about everywhere these days.

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2021 at 10:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP  
This place is ridiculous. I pop in once in awhile to see if it's changed.
Nope, still the same, actually a bit worse.
Dog piles from the usual small minded clowns. Editing by the Jack Dorsey wanna be owner.....

It's all Twitter Lite up in here.


Thank you stopping by to provide us with your petty complaint and ineffective insults.

BajaMama - 4-3-2021 at 03:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Back to the topic..... I'm 61 w/MS & hypertension but I still don't quality for a vaccine in CA. Soon I hope, I am planning to help mi suegro in the latter part of May and early June to continue house repair work and to follow him home. We have been enjoying getting back into fly fishing this past year, I really miss Baja Ca Sur and the SoC. Looking forward to paddling, fishing, snorkeling & whale sharks.


You CAN make an appointment

https://covid19.ca.gov/

People with a high chance of exposure, high-risk, and those 65 or older are eligible for vaccination and can schedule appointments now. If you’re eligible, and live or work in certain counties, you can schedule an appointment through My Turn. Appointments are available in Spanish.


Unfortunately., Multiple Sclerosis and Hypertension are excluded from the list of current eligibility. I did go on line to schedule but it rubs me the wrong way to lie. I'm good to wait - I am retired and am not at risk of catching or spreading.


10-4. Take care. Be safe. I will get mine right after you do. :dudette:


I got my first shot yesterday! Psizer... next on 4/23 so I get to go to BCS. Yay. But boy my arm sure hurts... not too long I hope.

elgatoloco - 4-3-2021 at 06:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Back to the topic..... I'm 61 w/MS & hypertension but I still don't quality for a vaccine in CA. Soon I hope, I am planning to help mi suegro in the latter part of May and early June to continue house repair work and to follow him home. We have been enjoying getting back into fly fishing this past year, I really miss Baja Ca Sur and the SoC. Looking forward to paddling, fishing, snorkeling & whale sharks.


You CAN make an appointment

https://covid19.ca.gov/

People with a high chance of exposure, high-risk, and those 65 or older are eligible for vaccination and can schedule appointments now. If you’re eligible, and live or work in certain counties, you can schedule an appointment through My Turn. Appointments are available in Spanish.


Unfortunately., Multiple Sclerosis and Hypertension are excluded from the list of current eligibility. I did go on line to schedule but it rubs me the wrong way to lie. I'm good to wait - I am retired and am not at risk of catching or spreading.


10-4. Take care. Be safe. I will get mine right after you do. :dudette:


I got my first shot yesterday! Psizer... next on 4/23 so I get to go to BCS. Yay. But boy my arm sure hurts... not too long I hope.


That's great news. I got my first Pfizer dose on Thursday. Countdown is on. :dudette::saint:

KaceyJ - 4-3-2021 at 06:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajagregg  
Got my second shot of the Pfizer vaccine today at Kaiser Permanente and had an interesting conversation with the LVN. I mentioned that my sister-in-law got the J & J shot and that it really affected her for a day. The LVN said that is what they are seeing with some some people with the JNJ shot. She went on to say that the Pfizer shots seem to be best as far as reactions go.




There is a real good reason the CA. Governor got the J&J shot
By the orientation of all the pseudo scientists and mind readers/analyst on this board I wouldn't ask why.:no:

ligui - 4-4-2021 at 06:47 AM

Happy Easter !!! :bounce:

Covid Vaccinations

LancairDriver - 5-13-2021 at 06:52 AM


Here is some interesting information for all of you Baja Nomad internet medical research scientists to chime in on and dismiss. ( I can’t wait to be better informed.)

https://www.globalresearch.ca/new-report-sheds-light-vaccine...

https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spik...

This is concerning, considering how many people have been vaccinated and who are readily accepting the idea that boosters every six months to a year are going to be necessary forever. And vaccine passports are gaining ground in many countries. One statement in the global research article, right at the top of the article, couldn’t state it any better: “The risk-benefit calculus is therefore clear: the experimental vaccines are needless, ineffective and dangerous. Actors authorizing, coercing or administering experimental COVID-19 vaccination are exposing populations and patients to serious, unnecessary, and unjustified medical risks.” Doctors for Covid Ethics, April 29, 2021

mtgoat666 - 5-13-2021 at 07:11 AM

Somebody needs to teach you old people to not believe everything you read on the internet!

LancairDriver - 5-13-2021 at 07:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Somebody needs to teach you old people to not believe everything you read on the internet!


Right! Salk research Scientists information couldn’t possibly be as reliable as that coming from the Goat Institute.😂

BajaMama - 5-13-2021 at 07:29 AM

I trust medical experts, facts and science. Now that I am, ahem, older, I get a flu shot every year. I got the double dose of covid vaccine. I will get a booster every 6 months if necessary.

Vaccine passport? Well, yes. Many, many countries already require proof of certain vaccinations in order to enter. You used to have to have your yellow vaccine card to enter Europe. This is nothing new. If I were a restaurant owner, I would require vaccines to enter. My patrons would feel more comfortable sitting closer to others knowing there is a slim to zero chance of disease transmission.

And, regarding the article, the "Doctors for Covid Ethics" doesn't even exist! It was removed by the server for misinformation. 😂😂😂😂

[Edited on 5-13-2021 by BajaMama]

[Edited on 5-13-2021 by BajaMama]

BajaMama - 5-13-2021 at 07:44 AM

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different...

LancairDriver - 5-13-2021 at 07:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
I trust medical experts, facts and science. Now that I am, ahem, older, I get a flu shot every year. I got the double dose of covid vaccine. I will get a booster every 6 months if necessary.

Vaccine passport? Well, yes. Many, many countries already require proof of certain vaccinations in order to enter. You used to have to have your yellow vaccine card to enter Europe. This is nothing new. If I were a restaurant owner, I would require vaccines to enter. My patrons would feel more comfortable sitting closer to others knowing there is a slim to zero chance of disease transmission.

And, regarding the article, the "Doctors for Covid Ethics" doesn't even exist! It was removed by the server for misinformation. 😂😂😂😂

[Edited on 5-13-2021 by BajaMama]

[Edited on 5-13-2021 by BajaMama]


Amazing! Why am I not surprised? Is this anything new today?

JZ - 5-13-2021 at 07:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
I trust medical experts, facts and science.



I half trust the CDC. They really botched the risk of transmission outdoors. This from the Lib leaning NYT times: A huge exaggeration https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oa...

Also the CDC director said it was safe for kids to be back in school, and then the White House disagreed and told us she was only "speaking in her personal capacity."

The CDC then allowed the most powerful school union in the US to aid them in drafting the official guidance on getting kids back to schools. They inserted language provided verbatim from the union into the guidelines.

Fauci is all over the place as well. He told us Covid wasn't dangerous. Then told us masks weren't necessary. And has said about a dozen more things that he has flip-flopped on or just make zero sense.

Higher ups at the WHO have said lock-downs beyond the point of allowing medical personnel time to gear up, do more harm than good.

Florida never had a mask mandate and stayed mostly open, had kids back in school in August. California was the exact opposite. Both states did slightly better on deaths/million compared to the US average (FL 27, CA 29).






[Edited on 5-13-2021 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 5-13-2021 at 07:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Somebody needs to teach you old people to not believe everything you read on the internet!


Right! Salk research Scientists information couldn’t possibly be as reliable as that coming from the Goat Institute.😂


Since you are old, I must remind you that you did not post just a Salk piece, but you also posted a piece of nonsense from a fringe lunatic website… and repeated their unsound lunatic conclusion

mtgoat666 - 5-13-2021 at 08:03 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
I trust medical experts, facts and science.



I half trust the CDC. They really botched the risk of transmission outdoors. This from the Lib leaning NYT times: A huge exaggeration https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oa...

Also the CDC director said it was safe for kids to be back in school, and then the White House disagreed and told us she was only "speaking in her personal capacity."

The CDC then allowed the most powerful school union in the US to aid them in drafting the official guidance on getting kids back to schools. They inserted language provided verbatim from the union into the guidelines.

Fauci is all over the place as well. He told us Covid wasn't dangerous. Then told us masks weren't necessary. And has said about a dozen more things that he has flip-flopped on or just make zero sense.

Higher ups at the WHO have said lock-downs beyond the point of allowing medical personnel time to gear up, do more harm than good.

Florida never had a mask mandate and stayed mostly open, had kids back in school in August. California was the exact opposite. Both states did slightly better on deaths/million compared to the US average (FL 27, CA 29).


[Edited on 5-13-2021 by JZ]


Jizzy:
You are a sillly Little man. You myopically look at conclusions and advice from month 1 of the pandemic, and assume that all experts should have known everything in first month of pandemic…





Barry A. - 5-13-2021 at 08:40 AM

Here is some personal experience that I can 100% vouch for (I am 83, my wife is 77):

On Oct. 31, 2020 I came down with the first symptoms of Covid-19. 2 days later my wife came down with the same symptoms, and I had her tested for Covid. She tested positive for Covid, and the Doc. said that I did not need to be tested as it was obvious under our circumstances that I was the one that gave my wife Covid . We remained in our house, exhibiting most all the classic symptoms, until Nov. 17th, and then determined we were no longer symptomatic for the most part, and probably over the worst of the disease.

On Feb. 4th, 2021 we both were tested for Covid "anti-bodies" and we both tested positive. We got tested for anti-bodies because we were both exhibiting mild "long hauler" Covid symptoms still, tho the symptoms were slowly fading week by week, and still are to this day. On May 6, 2021 I again got tested for Covid anti-bodies, and the test was positive we learned yesterday.

Neither of us has been vaccinated for Covid-19 yet. Since we still have Covid anti-bodies after 6 months of believing we were over from having the main bout and full symptoms of Covid-19, we will not get vaccinated until we no longer test positive for Covid-19 anti-bodies.

We have had all the normal vaccinations recommended over the years, and I do get my yearly "flu shots", but I see no reason to take the chance on an experimental Covid vaccination at this time. We will make the decision to get vaccinated when we no longer test positive for Covid anti-bodies, should that actually happen. Our Doctor agrees with our decisions, or so she says.

Barry



David K - 5-13-2021 at 09:12 AM

Hi Barry,
Thank you for your report... and we are so happy you recovered. Do you know how or where you got the Covid, being how sheltered most Americans were in post-March 13, 2020?

Personally, I also have no problem getting shots and do get the annual flu shot... seems to work well for me. On recommendation from a pharmacist friend, I did up my Vitamin D3 intake (from 1000 to 3000 IU)... and have not been sick one day the past year. I also take a One a Day vitamin.

Baja Angel works for Kaiser and got her Moderna shots early on. The second shot made her feel like she had the 24 hour flu. All good since. When a vaccination clinic was set up here in our senior community for all residents (55+), I got the Johnson & Johnson one shot. Absolutely no pain, no side-effects. We both are 63 years old.


JZ - 5-13-2021 at 09:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Here is some personal experience that I can 100% vouch for (I am 83, my wife is 77):

On Oct. 31, 2020 I came down with the first symptoms of Covid-19. 2 days later my wife came down with the same symptoms, and I had her tested for Covid. She tested positive for Covid, and the Doc. said that I did not need to be tested as it was obvious under our circumstances that I was the one that gave my wife Covid . We remained in our house, exhibiting most all the classic symptoms, until Nov. 17th, and then determined we were no longer symptomatic for the most part, and probably over the worst of the disease.

On Feb. 4th, 2021 we both were tested for Covid "anti-bodies" and we both tested positive. We got tested for anti-bodies because we were both exhibiting mild "long hauler" Covid symptoms still, tho the symptoms were slowly fading week by week, and still are to this day. On May 6, 2021 I again got tested for Covid anti-bodies, and the test was positive we learned yesterday.

Neither of us has been vaccinated for Covid-19 yet. Since we still have Covid anti-bodies after 6 months of believing we were over from having the main bout and full symptoms of Covid-19, we will not get vaccinated until we no longer test positive for Covid-19 anti-bodies.

We have had all the normal vaccinations recommended over the years, and I do get my yearly "flu shots", but I see no reason to take the chance on an experimental Covid vaccination at this time. We will make the decision to get vaccinated when we no longer test positive for Covid anti-bodies, should that actually happen. Our Doctor agrees with our decisions, or so she says.

Barry





Thanks for sharing Barry.


Barry A. - 5-13-2021 at 10:10 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Hi Barry,
Thank you for your report... and we are so happy you recovered. Do you know how or where you got the Covid, being how sheltered most Americans were in post-March 13, 2020?



David---------in answer to your question: We were on the road coming back to Redding, CA from Phoenix. We used no restaurants or public bathroom facilities on the entire trip, coming and going. But, on the return home trip we did stop at a Mega-gas station in AZ just east of Needles, CA that was really busy. I believe that must be where I picked up the Plague, probably from touching something that I should not have done without using
my gloves or sanitizer. (dumb, and careless).


BajaTed - 5-13-2021 at 11:39 AM

My son got Covid and my wife & I traveled with him for 3 hrs. and then stayed in our small Arizona trailer home.
I just got my 2nd Pfizer shot that day, wife already had her first Astra Z shot.
Both of us were as exposed as you could possibly be and we didn't get sick. Kid got real bad, but we got an extra script from someone who got it also and the inhaler helped get the breathing thing right.
Strike 1 is how I see it, I'm still up at bat.

Barry A. - 5-13-2021 at 12:18 PM

Ted---Yep, we all react differently, it seems. The day I apparently caught Covid, my wife and I stayed with my Son at his house in Independence, CA for 2 full days/3 nights. At the time I did not know I had caught the Covid until the day we left his house for the drive home. He did catch the Covid (from me?) during that time. He is 58, and has had pretty severe asthma all his life, so we were all really worried. He suffered moderate symptoms of Covid for about 36 hours, and then he was fine. Go figure!!! He has not been tested for anti-bodies as his Doc. will not prescribe it, which I think is weird.

Since that time, he has gotten his two Moderna shots as his workplace required that he get vaccinated. He did react to the 2 Moderna shots mildly and felt pretty bad for about 24 hours each time, and then he was fine again. He did not get the 2 Moderna shots until about a month ago. He has been fine ever since.

We now all think he has strong anti-bodies against Covid (shots, plus having the disease), but we are not sure about that as the Doc. still will not prescribe testing for anti-bodies. My Son, a Lawyer, is considering his options if he really gets sick with Covid in the near future, or has blood-clot problems (etc.) down the line as he really did not want to get the "shots" under his particular circumstances.


David K - 5-13-2021 at 12:49 PM

CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor. The exception is in medical facilities. Of course, this is a federal agency so the states are between them and us. California's governor made June 15 the day for freedom from masks.
Because of herd immunity the remaining unvaccinated people cannot corrupt the benefits of being vaccinated. Covid Vaccine for ages 12 and up are now available, too.

JZ - 5-13-2021 at 02:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Ted---Yep, we all react differently, it seems. The day I apparently caught Covid, my wife and I stayed with my Son at his house in Independence, CA for 2 full days/3 nights. At the time I did not know I had caught the Covid until the day we left his house for the drive home. He did catch the Covid (from me?) during that time. He is 58, and has had pretty severe asthma all his life, so we were all really worried. He suffered moderate symptoms of Covid for about 36 hours, and then he was fine. Go figure!!! He has not been tested for anti-bodies as his Doc. will not prescribe it, which I think is weird.

Since that time, he has gotten his two Moderna shots as his workplace required that he get vaccinated. He did react to the 2 Moderna shots mildly and felt pretty bad for about 24 hours each time, and then he was fine again. He did not get the 2 Moderna shots until about a month ago. He has been fine ever since.

We now all think he has strong anti-bodies against Covid (shots, plus having the disease), but we are not sure about that as the Doc. still will not prescribe testing for anti-bodies. My Son, a Lawyer, is considering his options if he really gets sick with Covid in the near future, or has blood-clot problems (etc.) down the line as he really did not want to get the "shots" under his particular circumstances.



You don't need a Drs. order to get the anti-body test, unless maybe you are trying to get it covered by insurance. I got the test 5 mins from my house at beginning of last summer at an urgent care.

If I had to bet, I'd say you got it from your son. He was probably asymptomatic at first. I say this, because it would be pretty rare to get it by touching the surface of something at a gas station. That's not how this is spread. If it was, a lot, lot more of us would have gotten it.


Barry A. - 5-13-2021 at 02:42 PM

JZ-----------hmmmmm, what in interesting idea you have on where I got Covid, and I admit it never occurred to me. Both my wife and I realized we had Covid a short time after leaving our Son's----- me on the day we left, and my wife 2 days later. My Son realized he had Covid the day after we left his place. I just assumed that I was the culprit.

Yes, my Health insurance does cover my Anti-bodies "tests", but does require an Rx from a Doctor, I think (but not sure on that). I will look into that. My Son assures me that he was told by his boss that an Rx from a Doc. is needed in order for him to get an anti-bodies test that is covered by his insurance. His Doc. would not prescribe one, he says.

Thanks for the input, JZ.


JZ - 5-13-2021 at 03:03 PM

;););)

mtgoat666 - 5-13-2021 at 04:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor.


Good thing we got microchips in the vaccine so we can identify the responsible and patriots that have been vaccinated -- and we can identify the miscreants and lunatics that have not been vaccinated. Need to remove the miscreants and lunatics from public spaces!

Glidergeek - 5-14-2021 at 06:21 PM

"CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor."

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to hasn't been you've got to wear a mask? So CDC doesn't trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?

mtgoat666 - 5-14-2021 at 07:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
"CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor."

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to hasn't been you've got to wear a mask? So CDC doesn't trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?


Have you been around for the past year? I would think that by now you would understand how the vaccine works and what protection it provides :no::no: Your Q reflects a real ignorance about the vaccine….

Glidergeek - 5-15-2021 at 09:10 AM

So neither one of you can give a direct answer to a legitimate question and you are calling me ignorant?

BajaMama - 5-15-2021 at 09:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
"CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor."

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to hasn't been you've got to wear a mask? So CDC doesn't trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?


I'll risk an answer. The reason people who have not been vaccinated should wear a mask is there are likely other people around that have also not been vaccinated who could be in a transmission stage of the virus. The unvaccinated need to protect themselves from contracting and spreading the virus.

Those who are vaccinated have a low likelihood of contracting or spreading the virus, according the the CDC. I'm not saying it doesn't happen - it does, but the occurrence is very, very low.

The biggest problem with the CDC guidelines is trusting people to be honest about whether or not they have been vaccinated. But that problem is only for the unvaccinated. As a vaccinated person I don't have to worry about the anti-vaxers anymore since the risk of transmission to me is so low.


[Edited on 5-15-2021 by BajaMama]

David K - 5-15-2021 at 10:10 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor.


Good thing we got microchips in the vaccine so we can identify the responsible and patriots that have been vaccinated -- and we can identify the miscreants and lunatics that have not been vaccinated. Need to remove the miscreants and lunatics from public spaces!


A guy named Adolf had similar ideas about a group of people...

Glidergeek - 5-15-2021 at 10:11 AM

Bajamama thanks for the answer but here's the question again. Let me rephrase it a little.

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to you hasn't been you've (the vaccinated person) got to wear a mask?
does the CDC not trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?

And if that person (next to the vaccinated) has had Covid and has antibodies why are they not treated the same as a vaccinated person?
I've noticed that the CDC is ignoring any mention of the people with "natural immunity" of which there are at least 33 million in the USA.

mtgoat666 - 5-15-2021 at 10:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
Bajamama thanks for the answer but here's the question again. Let me rephrase it a little.

So if you've been vaccinated and the person next to you hasn't been you've (the vaccinated person) got to wear a mask?
does the CDC not trust this vaccination that they expect everyone to trust?

And if that person (next to the vaccinated) has had Covid and has antibodies why are they not treated the same as a vaccinated person?
I've noticed that the CDC is ignoring any mention of the people with "natural immunity" of which there are at least 33 million in the USA.


Get the vaccine, and stop being a pedantic tool.

mtgoat666 - 5-15-2021 at 10:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
CDC had a major news brief today... Anyone who has been vaccinated for Covid can now go mask-less and be (in close) with other people who also have been vaccinated, indoor or outdoor.


Good thing we got microchips in the vaccine so we can identify the responsible and patriots that have been vaccinated -- and we can identify the miscreants and lunatics that have not been vaccinated. Need to remove the miscreants and lunatics from public spaces!


A guy named Adolf had similar ideas about a group of people...


Last month Frontline had an interesting piece on the “American Insurrection”
You should watch it (avail on PBS).
Part of it reviewed the Trump-supported right wing white supremacy movement, a modern-day movement similar to your Adolph guy’s movement last century.

mtgoat666 - 5-15-2021 at 10:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Those who are vaccinated have a low likelihood of contracting or spreading the virus, according the the CDC.

I'm still not convinced about that. Consider the Yankees.


Yankees good example of vaccinated getting covid 19 but the vaccine worked and they had minor or no symptoms.
The vaccinated can get covid 19, but the vaccine has prepared the body to deal with it and make the disease progression much less serious

Glidergeek - 5-15-2021 at 10:21 AM

"Do you understand that the vaccinations, while offering a lot of protection to the vaccinated, may not prevent them from being asymptomatic carriers?"

No call me thick headed but I don't understand the relevance of this answer to the question I asked. And no I wasn't "venting" that's what people do in the heat of passion mostly without thinking.

mtgoat666 - 5-15-2021 at 10:24 AM

I am amused at the anti-vaxxers being so concerned about putting the vaccine in their body when they simultaneously participate in so many higher-risk unhealthy activities such as being over-weight, smoking dope, smoking tobacco, eating junk food, eating processed foods full of chemical additives, driving irresponsibly, etc.

In the big scheme of things, anti-Vaxxers are very poor evaluators of risk, and operate on some really misguided emotional stimuli from brain-washing alt-right media types.

BajaMama - 5-16-2021 at 09:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Those who are vaccinated have a low likelihood of contracting or spreading the virus, according the the CDC.

I'm still not convinced about that. Consider the Yankees.


7 of the 8 were asymptomatic, proving the vaccine works. Had they not been vaccinated they could have gotten very ill, perhaps hospitalized. Only one player got infected, the other 7 were coaches and support staff. According to the NYT their quarters during a rain delay was much smaller than the players. And no mention of they contracted the virus from a vaccinated or vaccinated person.

BajaTed - 5-16-2021 at 02:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Yankees good example of vaccinated getting covid 19 but the vaccine worked and they had minor or no symptoms.

We understand that and the article states such.

The point is that they probably spread it among themselves in spite of being vaccinated. Which is why vaccinated folks should wear masks where they could potentially infect others who might not have immunity.

I can't believe we're belaboring such a basic concept. :rolleyes:


Those that got vaccinated have served their "greater community good" by getting vaccinated. It is totally irrelevant that they could all be asymptomatic spreaders except to the un vaccinated, who in turn deserve their outcome due to their personal irresponsibility.

BajaMama - 5-16-2021 at 03:47 PM

Lencho I don't think we're arguing - sorry if I came across that way.

JZ - 5-16-2021 at 05:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  


Those that got vaccinated have served their "greater community good" by getting vaccinated. It is totally irrelevant that they could all be asymptomatic spreaders except to the un vaccinated, who in turn deserve their outcome due to their personal irresponsibility.


This is a really bad take.

We are all vaccinated, but I respect anyone's decision to not put something in their body.

They might have already had Covid, like Barry. Or are under 50 and in good health and have an extremely small chance of serious illness. It's their choice.

The numbers are way down as the most vulnerable have been vaccinated.

The left's intolerance knows no bounds and this statement is par for course.


lencho - 5-16-2021 at 05:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
The left's intolerance knows no bounds and this statement is par for course.

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[Edited on 12-16-2021 by lencho]

BajaTed - 5-17-2021 at 09:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  


Those that got vaccinated have served their "greater community good" by getting vaccinated. It is totally irrelevant that they could all be asymptomatic spreaders except to the un vaccinated, who in turn deserve their outcome due to their personal irresponsibility.


This is a really bad take.

We are all vaccinated, but I respect anyone's decision to not put something in their body.

They might have already had Covid, like Barry. Or are under 50 and in good health and have an extremely small chance of serious illness. It's their choice.

The numbers are way down as the most vulnerable have been vaccinated.

The left's intolerance knows no bounds and this statement is par for course.



Actions have consequences for each individual. (Libertarianism mantra)

invoking choice & rights along with "might haves" or "extremely small chances" on your part has nothing to do with my choice of situational perception of others decisions.





Lee - 5-17-2021 at 09:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

The numbers are way down as the most vulnerable have been vaccinated.

The left's intolerance knows no bounds and this statement is par for course.


The left? Like a fork in the road, left vs. right? Conservative vs. liberal? Good vs. bad? Us vs. them?

Is this what you mean, JZ?

Again, you are close to practicing medicine on this forum. Your views come across as too liberal here.

Everything is cool. Infections way down. Vaccines are optional. Wear a mask or don't? Live your life, be happy, don't worry, normal is back and the naysayers were wrong.

Dangerous stuff to be writing.

gnukid - 5-17-2021 at 03:05 PM

Basic Facts That Everyone should be aware of

Humans recuperate from covid flu like infection at a rate of %99.97

People who die with covid have 3-4 severe comorbidities that are cause of death

Recuperated humans have the highest quality immunity available to protect from future infection, transmission and share antibodies

There are no Covid Vaccinations approved

Covid vaccines are not vaccines by any traditional or common definition

Covid vaccines are unapproved by any health association *FDA), have no testing on human high risk demographics, nor by race, genetics, age etc.

Covid vaccines are 100% experimental, first time use of broad gene therapy, mRNA interrupters are injected using synthetic product into your cells disguised with nano particle jackets, since they would otherwise be rejected

Covid vaccines alter DNA to RNA transcription permanently, so that your body will forever hyper produce the experimental synthetic spike proteins associated with response to the viral excretion

Spike proteins are produced as part of the cellular process to respond to toxicity that precipitates influenza symptoms as part of dying cells

The "vaccines" are not vaccines, yet, create a permanent state of infection provoking hyper spike protein production, similar to high toxicity response

Vaccine manufacturers state you will need 3-4 vaccines a years, continuously to alter the spike protein production according to their prediction of covid variant, in order to produce a constant immune response, while in toxic state?

Anyone who refuses experimental drug that provokes high toxicity with synthesized mRNA to provoke hyper spike protein production is labeled antivaxer

Human immune response is successful at a demonstrable rate of at least %99.97 and high for those under 75 years and far superior to experimental drugs

If you refuse experimental unapproved high risk drugs you want to kill grandma according to rabid morbid worshipping extremists on Baja nomad




[Edited on 5-19-2021 by gnukid]

mtgoat666 - 5-17-2021 at 03:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Basic Facts That Everyone should be aware of

Humans recuperate from covid flu like infection at a rate of %99.97

People who die have 3-4 severe comorbidities that are cause of death

Recuperated humans have the highest quality immunity available to protect from future infection, transmission and share antibodies

There are no Covid Vaccinations approved

Covid vaccines are not vaccines by any traditional or common definition

Covid vaccines are unapproved by any health association *FDA), have no testing on human high risk demographics, nor by race, genetics, age etc.

Covid vaccines are 100% experimental, first time use of broad gene therapy, mRNA interrupters are injected using synthetic product into your cells disguised with nano particle jackets, since they would otherwise be rejected

Covid vaccines alter DNA to RNA transcription permanently, so that your body will forever hyper produce spike the synthetic proteins associated with response to the experimental viral excretion

Spike proteins are produced as part of the cellular process to respond to toxicity that precipitates influenza symptoms as part of dying cells

The "vaccines" are not vaccines, yet, create a permanent state of infection provoking hyper spike protein production, similar to high toxicity response

Vaccine manufacturers state you will need 3-4 vaccines a years, continuously to alter the spike protein production according to their prediction of covid variant, in order to produce a constant immune response, while in toxic state?

Anyone who refuses experimental drug that provokes high toxicity with synthesized mRNA to provoke hyper spike protein production is labeled antivaxer

Human immune response is successful at a demonstrable rate of at least %99.97 and high for those under 75 years and far superior to experimental drugs

If you refuse experimental unapproved high risk drugs you want to kill grandma



What do ya wanna bet that right wingnut gnukid got the vaccine?

I bet his momma said he was not allowed home to see momma if he didn’t get his shots, and he said “yes ma’am!”

del mar - 5-17-2021 at 04:24 PM

looks like they need to go door to door with needle in hand in mexicali and tijuana, secretary of health here says if no improvement in 10 days they're back in the red :(

gnukid - 5-17-2021 at 07:52 PM

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Historically, less than 10% of vaccine side effects are reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). An investigation by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services put it as low as 1%. What this means is side effects may actually be 10 times or even 100 times higher than reported.

VAERS appears to be backlogged for months. Rare but serious side effects may be occurring but we just can’t see the trend, and the longer the backlog, the more people will be exposed to a potentially dangerous vaccine.

Keep in mind this experimental injection is irreversible with unknown long-term harm. There is no way to get it out of your system.

Fully searchable database here
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

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gnukid - 5-17-2021 at 07:59 PM

If you believe in infection as means of transmission to provoke presence of influenza type symptoms, natural recuperation provides the highest level of protection from future infection or transmission and recuperated people share successful antibody intelligence with others, creating herd immunity, while c@v “vaccines” are not actually vaccines and provide no protection from future infection, transmission, nor ability to share antibody intelligence according to manufacturers, CDC and evidence.

The mRNA gene therapy products clearly state in the insert, there are no Covid vaccines, there are experimental trials of types of synthesized mRNA that propagate hyper spike protein production, which is similar to expression of severe toxicity, not a healthy state like recuperated.

The injection is wrapped in a jacket of nano particles to bypass rejection and attack which is our normal response, to allow the injection to enter the cell and insert into DNA transcription to RNA process and replicate forever, meaning your body is permanently in a debilitated state similar to infected state during expression of viral symptoms.

Naturally recuperated from flu like symptoms is far superior to synthetic mRNA insertion to provoke hyper spike protein production. An inability to understand this basic concept is not unlike inability to understand putting your hand in fire will cause severe burning.

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gnukid - 5-17-2021 at 08:12 PM


Austrian Court Rules PCR Test Not Suitable For COVID-19 Diagnosis And That Lockdowns Has No Legal Basis
https://greatgameindia.com/austria-court-pcr-test/


Origin of Covid — Following the Clues
https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-th...


Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests ‘Unreliable’ & Quarantines ‘Unlawful’
https://principia-scientific.com/portuguese-court-rules-pcr-...


Coronavirus’ spike protein plays additional key role in illness
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spik...

COVID-19 can affect the blood. Its spike protein may be the culprit.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/02/08/covid-19-can-affect...

Synthetic Viral Genomics: Risks and Benefits for Science and Society
https://www.jcvi.org/sites/default/files/assets/projects/syn...

Serial Criminals: Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-settlement-idUSTRE...

mtgoat666 - 5-17-2021 at 09:16 PM

Paul,
You got the vaccine, and then come here to say the vaccine is bad.
You are a narcissistic, hypocritical troll.

bajatrailrider - 5-18-2021 at 07:02 AM

Wtf Mt your the number one Troll on this site . Calling him a troll? Are you brain dead ? . He has some very good points. On the other hand your garbage is just that .

DouglasP - 5-18-2021 at 07:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


Get the vaccine,


No.

Finchaser2020 - 5-18-2021 at 10:22 AM

What ever happened to..."My body, my choice"??

It was such a popular chant for years...

Or is that just for abortions??

I must have missed or misread the memo.......

JZ - 5-18-2021 at 10:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Finchaser2020  
What ever happened to..."My body, my choice"??

It was such a popular chant for years...

Or is that just for abortions??

I must have missed or misread the memo.......


There is no bigger hypocrite than a Lefty.

Follow the science, except don't follow the science when you want to placate teachers unions. Hell, let them draft the "science reports."

Don't travel for Spring break, says Michigan's governor. after taking a private jet to see her father in FL.

Don't divert a few million from the national stock pile to fortify the wall says Nancy P., then she and the lib media is silent as billions are diverted the last couple months to house and ship kids all over the US from the self-created crisis at the border ($700/day per kid).

No in person classes in California, then governor Newsome sends his kids to in person private school.

Cry about kids in cages, then don't say a peep when there are 10x more kids in cages.

AOC and the Squad say white ppl are racists, then rant every day at Israel (using anti-Semitic language) for defending itself against a US declared terrorist organization.

President finally says masks aren't needed if you are vaccinated, and tells ppl to "be respectful" of ppl who choose not to wear a mask, forgetting how he called others neanderthals after state govt's made the same announcement, just a few weeks earlier.

You could list a thousand more.


[Edited on 5-19-2021 by JZ]

BajaTed - 5-18-2021 at 02:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by Finchaser2020  
What ever happened to..."My body, my choice"??

It was such a popular chant for years...

Or is that just for abortions??

I must have missed or misread the memo.......


There is no bigger hypocrite than a Lefty.

Follow the science, except don't follow the science when you want to placate school unions. Don't travel for Spring break, says Michigan's govt. after taking a private jet to see her father in FL. Don't divert a few million from the national stock pile to fortify the wall, then divert billions to house and ship kids all over the US from the self-created crisis at the border ($700/day per kid). No in person classes, then CA governor Newsome sends his kids to school. Cry about kids in cages, then don't say a peep when there are 10x more kids in cages. AOC and the Squad say white ppl are racists, then rant every day at Israel using anti-semitic language for defending itself against a terrorist organization. President finally says masks aren't needed if you are vaccinated, and tells ppl to be respectful of ppl who choose not to wear a mask, forgetting how he called others neanderthals after state govt. made the same announcement, just earlier.

You could list a thousand more.


[Edited on 5-18-2021 by JZ]



There are no bigger capitalists today than the LEFT

The RIGHT didn't get the NASDAQ to sextuple in value in 20 years. (can you say social media creators)

I love my Porsche 911, soon to be a Taycan, thank you Elon.

JZ - 5-18-2021 at 02:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  


There are no bigger capitalists today than the LEFT



You better wake up and start paying attention to your party, other than the elites.

Goat wants to give all your money away and his ill conceived plans for free everything and payments to not work are going to devalue your $'s with crippling inflation.

Wake up if you care about your kids or grand kids.

And as a white man of privilege keep an eye out for someone looking to take that Porsche off your hands and give it to someone less fortunate and oppressed.


[Edited on 5-18-2021 by JZ]

Tioloco - 5-18-2021 at 02:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  






You better wake up and start paying attention to your party, other than the elites.

Goat wants to give all your money away and his ill conceived plans for free everything and payments to not work are going to devalue your $'s with crippling inflation.

Wake up if you care about your kids or grand kids.

And as a white man of privilege keep an eye out for someone looking to take that Porsche off your hands and give it to someone less fortunate and oppressed.


[Edited on 5-18-2021 by JZ]


Correct

caj13 - 5-19-2021 at 07:24 AM

Hey JZ,
Facts is facts
Numbers WAY down - vaccines and "lockdowns" are working

no data showing significant mental impacts on young children

schools reopening safely

states opening back up

Economy is roaring back

anyone wanting to work can find jobs

I think what you are trying to say is THANKS JOE!

gnukid - 5-19-2021 at 03:36 PM


Facts not Fraud

Vaccinated have extremely high rate of adverse affects and deaths according to CDC VAERS
nearly 200,000 injured and over 4,000 deaths reported in USA, small fraction of the total, 10,000 deaths in Europe
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

Adults have failed children in foisting unnecessary, harmful Covid-19 restrictions on them
https://www.city-journal.org/masking-children-unnecessary-an...

Angry father speaks out at school board meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIR8UVBu4sc

Fourth grader who spoke out against school mask mandate said he 'wanted to take a stand'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fourth-grader-agains...

Schools reopening safely
How lockdown has affected children’s speech – and what parents can do to help
https://theconversation.com/how-lockdown-has-affected-childr...

States opening back up
Due to differing lockdown orders, New York has more COVID-19 cases, deaths, hospitalizations and job losses than Florida
https://fee.org/articles/free-states-faring-far-better-than-...

Cuomo policy may have led to over 1,000 nursing home deaths, watchdog says
https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/cuomo-policy-may-have-led-to-1...

NY nursing home staffers still not vaccinated against COVID-19
https://nypost.com/2021/05/09/many-ny-nursing-home-staffers-...

https://nypost.com/2021/02/11/cuomo-aide-admits-they-hid-nur...
Cuomo aide Melissa DeRosa admits they hid nursing home data so feds wouldn’t find out

Dr. Fauci lied to Congress about Wuhan lab research funding
https://www.foxnews.com/media/rand-paul-dr-fauci-lied-congre...

America's Historic Unemployment
https://fee.org/articles/america-s-historic-unemployment-cli...


[Edited on 5-19-2021 by gnukid]

SFandH - 5-19-2021 at 04:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  

Facts not Fraud

Vaccinated have extremely high rate of adverse affects and deaths according to CDC VAERS
nearly 200,000 injured and over 4,000 deaths reported in USA, small fraction of the total, 10,000 deaths in Europe
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data



"extremely high rate of adverse affects"

"200,000 injured"

276,000,000 doses have been delivered in US (look it up)

200,000 / 276,000,000 * 100 = 0.07%

Sounds like an extremely low rate of adverse effects to me.

gnukid - 5-19-2021 at 05:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  

Facts not Fraud

Vaccinated have extremely high rate of adverse affects and deaths according to CDC VAERS
nearly 200,000 injured and over 4,000 deaths reported in USA, small fraction of the total, 10,000 deaths in Europe
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data



I'm sorry if this is news to you, or if you are being facetious about the amount of covid vaccine severe adverse affects in the USA and globally? Many cases are in courts globally today to hold municipalities and governments liable for harm.

The VAERS system captures only a small fraction of total injuries due to complexity to enter data, when people are sick or dead, they are unable to enter data, and are most often left out the system, the total number is between 10-100 times higher than reported.

covid vaccine injured USA
200,000 (10-100) = 2,000,000-20,000,000 injured

covid vaccine deaths USA
4,000 (10-100) = 40,000-400,000

The PCR is an invalid test for COVID isolation, there are currently no valid tests for COVID.

There are currently no COVID vaccines approved, there are only experimental gene therapy products never ever been used and have insufficient data set for approval. This is a public trial with no animal testing.

The experimental mRNA products do not provide protection from infection nor transmission, they intentionally enter the cell in a jacket of nano particles to insert in the DNA to mRNA transcription process to induce hyper spike protein production, permanently, as though you are in a permanent state of toxic infection. Actual affects are unknown since data has NOT been gathered due to lack of testing. We will know more each year.

The vaccine manufacturers have a demonstrated history of fraud and harm, resulting in billions of dollars of fines.


Data Points

Austrian Court Rules PCR Test Not Suitable For COVID-19 Diagnosis And That Lockdowns Has No Legal Basis
https://greatgameindia.com/austria-court-pcr-test/

Origin of Covid — Following the Clues
https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-th...

Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests ‘Unreliable’ & Quarantines ‘Unlawful’
https://principia-scientific.com/portuguese-court-rules-pcr-...

Coronavirus’ spike protein plays additional key role in illness
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spik...

COVID-19 can affect the blood. Its spike protein may be the culprit.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/02/08/covid-19-can-affect...

Synthetic Viral Genomics: Risks and Benefits for Science and Society
https://www.jcvi.org/sites/default/files/assets/projects/syn...

Serial Criminals: Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-settlement-idUSTRE...

COVID Vaccine and Genetic Thunder Nobody Is Listening To
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/05/jon-rappoport/covid-vacc...

A ripe time for gaining ground
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/514403a

Safety lapses in US government labs spark debate
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/nature.2014.15570

Risks of flu work underrated
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/511013a

Scientists call for urgent talks on mutant-flu research in Europe
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/nature.2013.14429

Controversial H5N1 influenza work likely to resume
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/nature.2012.12089

Call to censor flu studies draws fire
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/481009a

US announces rules for potential bioterror agents
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/09/us-announces-rules-for-...

White House announcement
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/10/17/doing-diligence-as...

Fauci's Claim That the NIH Never Funded Gain-of-Function Research at the Wuhan Lab Has Some Serious Holes
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2021/05/...

DR REINER FUELLMICH SAY THE PANDEMIC IS CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY
https://www.b-tchute.com/video/hrk6T9k7ezwz/

Europe 10,000 deaths from covid vaccines and rising
https://eraoflight.com/2021/04/26/7766-dead-330218-injuries-...

Europe Covid Vaccines injuries and deaths (use the tool to continue search)

Europe (Moderna Only)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages&...

Europe (Pfizer Only)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages&...

Europe (AstraZeneca Only)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages&...

Europe (Jansen Only)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analyticsSOAP/saw.dll?PortalPages&...



[Edited on 5-20-2021 by gnukid]

mtgoat666 - 5-19-2021 at 05:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  

Facts not Fraud

Vaccinated have extremely high rate of adverse affects and deaths according to CDC VAERS
nearly 200,000 injured and over 4,000 deaths reported in USA, small fraction of the total, 10,000 deaths in Europe
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data



I'm sorry if this is news to you, or if you are being facetious about the amount of covid vaccine severe adverse affects in the USA and globally? Many cases are in courts globally today to hold municipalities and governments liable for harm.

The VAERS system captures only a small fraction of total injuries due to complexity to enter data, when people are sick or dead, they are unable to enter data, and are most often left out the system, the total number is between 10-100 times higher than reported.

covid vaccine injured USA
200,000 (10-100) = 2,000,000-20,000,000 injured

covid vaccine deaths USA
4,000 (10-100) = 40,000-400,000

The PCR is an invalid test for COVID isolation, there are currently no valid tests for COVID.

There are currently no COVID vaccines approved, there are only experimental gene therapy products never ever been used and have insufficient data set for approval. This is a public trial with no animal testing.

The experimental mRNA products do not provide protection from infection nor transmission, they intentionally enter the cell in a jacket of nano particles to insert in the DNA to mRNA transcription process to induce hyper spike protein production, permanently, as though you are in a permanent state of toxic infection. Actual affects are unknown since data has been gathered due to lack of testing. We will know more each year.

The vaccine manufacturers have a demonstrated history of fraud and harm, resulting in billions of dollars of fines.


Data Points

Austrian Court Rules PCR Test Not Suitable For COVID-19 Diagnosis And That Lockdowns Has No Legal Basis
https://greatgameindia.com/austria-court-pcr-test/

Origin of Covid — Following the Clues
https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-th...

Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests ‘Unreliable’ & Quarantines ‘Unlawful’
https://principia-scientific.com/portuguese-court-rules-pcr-...

Coronavirus’ spike protein plays additional key role in illness
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spik...

COVID-19 can affect the blood. Its spike protein may be the culprit.
https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/02/08/covid-19-can-affect...

Synthetic Viral Genomics: Risks and Benefits for Science and Society
https://www.jcvi.org/sites/default/files/assets/projects/syn...

Serial Criminals: Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-settlement-idUSTRE...

COVID Vaccine and Genetic Thunder Nobody Is Listening To
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/05/jon-rappoport/covid-vacc...

A ripe time for gaining ground
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/514403a

Safety lapses in US government labs spark debate
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/nature.2014.15570

Risks of flu work underrated
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/511013a

Scientists call for urgent talks on mutant-flu research in Europe
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/nature.2013.14429

Controversial H5N1 influenza work likely to resume
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/nature.2012.12089

Call to censor flu studies draws fire
https://www.nature.com/doifinder/10.1038/481009a

US announces rules for potential bioterror agents
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/09/us-announces-rules-for-...

White House announcement
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/10/17/doing-diligence-as...

[Edited on 5-20-2021 by gnukid]


Paul,
We know you got the vaccine, and it would appear that the only adverse side effect you experienced was hypocrisy.:lol:

John Harper - 5-19-2021 at 05:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  

Paul,
We know you got the vaccine, and it would appear that the only adverse side effect you experienced was hypocrisy.:lol:


Unfortunately, it appears to be a chronic affliction with this knucklehead.

John

gnukid - 5-19-2021 at 05:40 PM

Denial, defiant ignorance, arrogance, are all signs of cognitive dissonance, while science requires skepticism, re-evaluation, evolution, errors interpretation, with an open mind.

del mar - 5-19-2021 at 06:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Denial, defiant ignorance, arrogance, are all signs of cognitive dissonance, while science requires skepticism, re-evaluation, evolution, errors interpretation, with an open mind.


I haven't really kept up with this discussion, kid can you just sum up your thoughts in a nutshell? and have you gotten the vaccine?

mtgoat666 - 5-19-2021 at 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Denial, defiant ignorance, arrogance, are all signs of cognitive dissonance,…


“Denial, defiant ignorance, arrogance”
That sure does describe you, Paul.

gnukid - 5-19-2021 at 08:33 PM

Each person can make up their mind to choose an experimental drug, unapproved, with no liability for manufacturers, for healthy people, that has demonstrably resulted in hundreds of thousands of injuries per country and deaths, or focus on successful health that we know works, healthy diet, fresh soups, veggies, fruits, 90 essential vitamins, minerals and amino acids, fresh air, sunshine, exercise, rest and social engagement. Your body your choice.

You can rely on successful experience or take an unnecessary gamble with manufacturers who have a long troubled history of fraud and harm, that promises to permanently alter your body in an irreversible way, altering how your immune system works based on an untested theory with no data set to support efficacy.

Your body your choice, my body my choice.


Vaccine Disparities

motoged - 5-23-2021 at 12:39 PM

A bit of a global perspective is important:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-pandemic-vaccine-canada-covax-1.6036876

JZ - 5-23-2021 at 09:22 PM

Covid is over. Let's move on.


motoged - 5-24-2021 at 10:19 AM

Wishing or pretending doesn't make things go away. Informed individuals will see that Covid is continuing to significantly spread around many places on the planet....and variants are brewing. Vaccinations and efforts to minimize the viral spread are key efforts to manage the virus....because it is NOT going away.

It's difficult to stay focussed on important issues if one has the attention span of a gnat and an unquenchable need for self-adulation to support their denial.


[Edited on 5-24-2021 by motoged]

[Edited on 5-24-2021 by motoged]

Cancamo - 5-24-2021 at 10:36 AM

Far from over, more cases worldwide so far this year, than all last year. Would not want to be in India, Uruguay, Colombia, Peru, and soon the African continent and large parts of Asia.

As long as there are regions in the world with high rates of infection, the threat lives on with the ability to mutate and travel.

The planet is a small place anymore.

Cancamo - 5-24-2021 at 01:13 PM

Si pues, y Cuba tambien.

Yes, Cuba also. They have just begun vaccinating health folks on the island with their own developed "Abdala" vaccine, according to friends in Camaguey. Cuba has been determined to create a vaccine on their own and to eventually, if effective, distribute it to poorer countries around the world free of charge. They are currently working on five different kinds of vaccines in their well established labs.

And you think it's been tough on you......

The lockdown is going on 15 months now there with very little commerce, and next to no tourism, short of very limited direct travel to the Cayos and Veradero. There is almost no local transport, and as a result food is limited. My engineer friend has been working on a part time basis from home the entire time. Food lines, when one can get out, are as bad as the Special Period, when the Soviet Union withdrew subsidies.

caj13 - 6-6-2021 at 09:41 AM

gnueys fundamemntal problem is he doesn't understand first grade math.

He has no concern for 600,000, as in people dead from Covid in the United states,

Yet he is running around screaming the sky is falling about how dangerous getting the vaccine is - while there have been very few if any deaths confirmed that the vaccine contributed to.

so Paul - which is bigger - 600,000? or 3?

there have been over 4000 deaths reported after people took the vaccine - each and every one of those has been closely examined, and in almost all of those cases - no link was found

(that number included my mother BTW - who passed a few days after getting the vaccine - her death was not unexpected, as congenital heart disease took her down -the vaccine had nothing to do with it

here it is from the CDC Paul - let me know if you need a translator to explain it to you, or if I need to type slower so you can understand it!

Over 285 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 24, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,863 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths. Get the latest safety information on the J&J/Janssen vaccine. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.


A Funny Thing Happened Last Night .................

MrBillM - 6-6-2021 at 10:12 AM

........... When (in his NC diatribe) the Insurrectionist-in-Chief took credit for the Vaccine development. The smattering of anemic applause may have indicated how well he had indoctrinated his cult following in rejecting vaccinations.

On the other hand, the Loonies delivered their most enthusiastic response when the Seditionist vowed total war against the evil of Critical Race Theory.

You can never go wrong taking the Racist route with that crowd.

surabi - 6-6-2021 at 10:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
or focus on successful health that we know works, healthy diet, fresh soups, veggies, fruits, 90 essential vitamins, minerals and amino acids, fresh air, sunshine, exercise, rest and social engagement.



I guess you're not aware that Native Americans ate real, healthy, unadulterated diets, got plenty of fresh air and sunshine, rest, exercise, and social engagement and still got wiped out by smallpox.

I imagine that's an inconvenient truth for you.

[Edited on 6-7-2021 by surabi]

surabi - 6-6-2021 at 11:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Covid is over. Let's move on.



Repeating that ad nauseum doesn't make it true. Ask the folks in India, Brazil, Peru, if it's "over". Baja just regressed from yellow to orange on the case map. That's what happens when people think and act like it's over.

mtgoat666 - 6-7-2021 at 06:09 AM

Here is USA, the average gringo is covid-stupid. The covid rates wil climb again this coming fall or winter.

The current drop in numbers is due to the minority of gringos that got vaccinated and practice good covid hygeine. The covid disease continues to simmer at low levels in the reservoir of covid-stupid people (aka Trump’s base)

SFandH - 6-7-2021 at 07:21 AM

FWIW, just heard on the morning news that 41% of Americans have been fully vaccinated and the vaccination centers are seeing many fewer people than 2 months ago.

Also, a Texas hospital that requires its workers to be vaccinated is being sued by workers who do not want to be vaccinated.

It's difficult for me to understand why folks aren't getting vaccinated.

[Edited on 6-7-2021 by SFandH]

gnukid - 6-7-2021 at 08:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
or focus on successful health that we know works, healthy diet, fresh soups, veggies, fruits, 90 essential vitamins, minerals and amino acids, fresh air, sunshine, exercise, rest and social engagement.



I guess you're not aware that Native Americans ate real, healthy, unadulterated diets, got plenty of fresh air and sunshine, rest, exercise, and social engagement and still got wiped out by smallpox.

I imagine that's an inconvenient truth for you.

[Edited on 6-7-2021 by surabi]


Native Americans were intentionally poisoned with highly toxic laced blankets, reportedly.

I imagine that's an inconvenient truth for you, though, they weren't wiped out.

Many hundreds of Native American nations persist today throughout the Americas with a population of millions.

It's interesting how poorly educated and informed you are, yet, arrogant.

It's unclear if you are proud that some missionaries and colonists intentionally poisoned Native Americans and are bragging about it as some sort of victory or if you are trying to support a theory that a vaccination exists to solve racial and political struggles?

Speaking of myths, the theory of bacterias and germs flying through the air to cause of viral infections began thousands of years ago, and yet, it's still theory that has yet to be proven.

Even Pasteur admitted on his death bed, the virus is nothing, the (human) terrain is everything. He was a self admitted fraud.

Take a moment and try to research what is a virus, what is a corona virus and see where you land? Is it common, normal, human cellular degradation that will never go away, just as the common cold is a corona virus. What is gain of function research? Why did we fund broad gain of function research of Corona Virus with preplanned vaccination program, with foreknowledge, simulations, virus patents, vaccine patents, all under programs led by Fauci and Gates with collusion of main stream media and BigTech?

Fauci's gain of function is not unlike poisoning Native Americans with toxins, neither of which are proof of natural transmissible virus as risk to humans, both are intentional bioweapons.


[Edited on 6-7-2021 by gnukid]

Injun Diets ?

MrBillM - 6-7-2021 at 09:46 AM

How healthy were they ?

Any data on what the average lifespan was for the aborigine population prior to the Whitey arrival ?

Don Pisto - 6-7-2021 at 10:06 AM

Jon Rahm got vaccinated but only after coming in contact with an infected person.....had he got the shot earlier he would be 1.67 million dollars richer. im convinced life is all timing and luck! :D
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