Winged pigs to take flight in Mexico, says AMLO

What about all the scams the attendants pull? Like the 500 to 50 peso quick of hand exchange. Full liters would be nice but the biggest scams come from the pump jockey's.

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“So it is written, so shall it be done”! Yul Brinner It would be interesting to know how much of the gasoline and low sulfur diesel in Baja is still refined in the US. Jesus and Maria is about as far as they deliver from the North. It used to be that gas and diesel were barged to La Paz for the rest of Baja. Premium was refined in the US. That makes controlling the price a challange!

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The worst offender in my life was about 15 years ago in Loreto, first Pemex in town on the right coming from the south. They managed to put 80 liters into my 17-gallon tank before I stopped them, at least a 25% overcharge as the tank wasn't even empty.

My question to you: WHY DID YOU DRIVE YOUR TANK THAT EMPTY ???

Quote: Originally posted by JC43

BCS is also served by truck. When traveling from CSL to Mulege or back I can count more than 10 trucks - huge 18-wheeler w/ trailers even bigger than the truck itself - coming from the US. I talked to several drivers over the past 10 month and yes, from the US.

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Quote: Originally posted by Ateo   I know one of my customers sends Hydrogen (not for cars) to Mexico via rail.... Wow! In liquid form? What for?

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I talked with someone at the Arco terminal today and they are sending tanker trucks from Carson across the border into Baja, Mexico but I think that is specifically for the TJ market. And this is just specifically for Arco branded sites. 6 tanker trucks a day.

Curious.... does this mean they are sending trucks from SoCal empty to fill up at Rosarito terminal, KMI in San Diego, or ??

Sending trucks with Arco gasoline from Carson to Tijuana doesn't seem to make sense. The Arco gasoline in San Diego should be coming from the KMI terminal - the truck transportation from LA area would be cost prohibitive, especially for a discount provider. Is this a MX formulation and they're happy to absorb the extra transportation costs? Why wouldn't they send the special blend to San Diego (or border) by rail car (costs less than truck transport, 30k gallons at a time versus 8500-8800 gallons at a time)?

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark

A couple of things. I spoke with several locals in Pescadero (BCS) who believe that PEMEX has their pumps programmed to cheat you if you order in Pesos. They also believe that they get worse mileage from gas bought at the Pescadero PEMEX. I tend to agree with them about the poor milage from gas purchased at that station.

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Quote: Originally posted by Ateo   I talked with someone at the Arco terminal today and they are sending tanker trucks from Carson across the border into Baja, Mexico but I think that is specifically for the TJ market. And this is just specifically for Arco branded sites. 6 tanker trucks a day. Curious.... does this mean they are sending trucks from SoCal empty to fill up at Rosarito terminal, KMI in San Diego, or ?? Sending trucks with Arco gasoline from Carson to Tijuana doesn't seem to make sense. The Arco gasoline in San Diego should be coming from the KMI terminal - the truck transportation from LA area would be cost prohibitive, especially for a discount provider. Is this a MX formulation and they're happy to absorb the extra transportation costs? Why wouldn't they send the special blend to San Diego (or border) by rail car (costs less than truck transport, 30k gallons at a time versus 8500-8800 gallons at a time)?

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Arco (Tesoro) has a bulk fuel terminal in San Diego on Harbor Dr next to NASSCO. Does not make sense for arco to truck from Carson to TJ. And here some info on the deals... fuel in baja comes from many places! Tesoro inks transportation and storage deal with Mexico's Pemex https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/07/18/tesor... Supply deal allows Tesoro to sell its ARCO brand of gasoline in Mexico https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/07/28/suppl... Spotlight: Fuel storage projects in Mexico https://www.bnamericas.com/en/features/spotlight-fuel-storag... – Refined products terminal; Rosarito, Baja California Capex: US$100mn, early works stage Owner/operator: Andeavor; partner CFEnergía The project entails building a refined products terminal aimed at reducing costs of fuel imports for the Arco service stations network in northwestern Mexico. The network is owned by US energy logistics company Andeavor, a subsidiary of Marathon Petroleum. The US company will build and operate the facility on leased land within state-owned electricity utility CFE's storage facility. – Baja Refinados terminal; La Jovita energy center, Baja California Capex: US$130mn, construction decision pending Owner/operator: IEnova (Sempra, Ensenada) The project consists of the development, construction and operation of a marine terminal for the receipt, storage and delivery of hydrocarbons, mainly gasoline and diesel. The terminal will expand the supply options and improve logistics in the supply of refined products in Baja California. **** And some fuel arriving in baja from Anacortes,... Andeavor makes first fuel shipment to Mexico https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/10/18/andea... **** And here is interesting story on fuel smuggling.... Investigation: Surge in Suspect Imports Undermines Mexico Fuel Markets http://info.opisnet.com/mexico-fuel-news *** December 4, 2019 Private Companies Gain Terrain According to SENER, private companies imported 101,800 b/d of gasoline during October, a new high record. This is 18,000 b/d more than the level of the previous month and three times the levels reported for a year ago. Private gasoline imports grew thanks to ExxonMobil and Glencore, the two largest importers after Pemex, according to data by PIERS Enterprise by IHS Markit. According to PIERS, ExxonMobil imported 27,000 b/d of gasoline during October, 7,000 b/d more than the previous month. Glencore imported 18,000 b/d of gasoline during October, which is 6,400 b/d more than in September, PIERS data shows. Glencore surpassed Marathon Petroleum to become Mexico's second-largest gasoline private importer, according to PIERS. The U.S. refiner imported 15,700 b/d of gasoline in October into Mexico. Glencore introduced all imports via its marine terminal at the Port of Dos Bocas, Tabasco, in southern Mexico, PIERS data shows. Meanwhile, ExxonMobil has worked in partnership with KCSM to ship fuel using unit trains across the Western, Central and northern Mexico. Marathon offloaded over 12,000 b/d of gasoline at Mexico's northwestern ports of Ensenada, Mazatlan, Topolobampo, Guaymas and La Paz, where it acquired storage capacity from Pemex at its logistic open seasons. Compared with a year ago, ExxonMobil grew its gasoline imports into Mexico by 108%. Meanwhile, Glencore in October 2018 reported no gasoline imports despite inaugurating its Dos Bocas marine terminal in August of that year. Mexico's Windstar Energy and Novum Energy have increased their gasoline imports into Mexico significantly year over year. In October 2019, Windstar imported 11,200 b/d of gasoline and Novum imported 5,900 b/d. Compared with a year ago, they grew imports by 133% and 390%, respectively. As new terminals have come online, private imports have increased. "Over the last year, companies are also becoming more efficient and streamlining their operations as time pass," Williamson said. [Edited on 3-30-2021 by mtgoat666]

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It does seem odd that Arco would send tankers from Carson to Baja, when they could deliver from the Harbor Drive terminal. One possible reason is that the gas at Harbor drive is "California blend" and they can ship from the refinery at Carson without having to blend ethanol with it. Maybe Mexico vehicles are not designed to run on ethanol. Its only a 2 hour drive from Carson to the border in the middle of the night. That would be just a few hundred dollars more per load for the additional labor to run the truck for 4 extra hours, and minus the tariff charged by Kinder Morgan to use their pipeline. Fun fact; the Harbor Dr. terminal is supplied by a pipeline from Mission Valley, that comes down from LA. It is all the same gas, when it gets to the Harbor Dr. terminal the various companies that have tanks there (Arco, Chevron, etc.) add special additives to make it "Techroline" or whatever their branded super duper special gas is.

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Arco (Tesoro) has a bulk fuel terminal in San Diego on Harbor Dr next to NASSCO. Does not make sense for arco to truck from Carson to TJ. And here some info on the deals... fuel in baja comes from many places! Tesoro inks transportation and storage deal with Mexico's Pemex https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/07/18/tesor... Supply deal allows Tesoro to sell its ARCO brand of gasoline in Mexico https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/07/28/suppl... Spotlight: Fuel storage projects in Mexico https://www.bnamericas.com/en/features/spotlight-fuel-storag... – Refined products terminal; Rosarito, Baja California Capex: US$100mn, early works stage Owner/operator: Andeavor; partner CFEnergía The project entails building a refined products terminal aimed at reducing costs of fuel imports for the Arco service stations network in northwestern Mexico. The network is owned by US energy logistics company Andeavor, a subsidiary of Marathon Petroleum. The US company will build and operate the facility on leased land within state-owned electricity utility CFE's storage facility. – Baja Refinados terminal; La Jovita energy center, Baja California Capex: US$130mn, construction decision pending Owner/operator: IEnova (Sempra, Ensenada) The project consists of the development, construction and operation of a marine terminal for the receipt, storage and delivery of hydrocarbons, mainly gasoline and diesel. The terminal will expand the supply options and improve logistics in the supply of refined products in Baja California. **** And some fuel arriving in baja from Anacortes,... Andeavor makes first fuel shipment to Mexico https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/10/18/andea... **** And here is interesting story on fuel smuggling.... Investigation: Surge in Suspect Imports Undermines Mexico Fuel Markets http://info.opisnet.com/mexico-fuel-news *** December 4, 2019 Private Companies Gain Terrain According to SENER, private companies imported 101,800 b/d of gasoline during October, a new high record. This is 18,000 b/d more than the level of the previous month and three times the levels reported for a year ago. Private gasoline imports grew thanks to ExxonMobil and Glencore, the two largest importers after Pemex, according to data by PIERS Enterprise by IHS Markit. According to PIERS, ExxonMobil imported 27,000 b/d of gasoline during October, 7,000 b/d more than the previous month. Glencore imported 18,000 b/d of gasoline during October, which is 6,400 b/d more than in September, PIERS data shows. Glencore surpassed Marathon Petroleum to become Mexico's second-largest gasoline private importer, according to PIERS. The U.S. refiner imported 15,700 b/d of gasoline in October into Mexico. Glencore introduced all imports via its marine terminal at the Port of Dos Bocas, Tabasco, in southern Mexico, PIERS data shows. Meanwhile, ExxonMobil has worked in partnership with KCSM to ship fuel using unit trains across the Western, Central and northern Mexico. Marathon offloaded over 12,000 b/d of gasoline at Mexico's northwestern ports of Ensenada, Mazatlan, Topolobampo, Guaymas and La Paz, where it acquired storage capacity from Pemex at its logistic open seasons. Compared with a year ago, ExxonMobil grew its gasoline imports into Mexico by 108%. Meanwhile, Glencore in October 2018 reported no gasoline imports despite inaugurating its Dos Bocas marine terminal in August of that year. Mexico's Windstar Energy and Novum Energy have increased their gasoline imports into Mexico significantly year over year. In October 2019, Windstar imported 11,200 b/d of gasoline and Novum imported 5,900 b/d. Compared with a year ago, they grew imports by 133% and 390%, respectively. As new terminals have come online, private imports have increased. "Over the last year, companies are also becoming more efficient and streamlining their operations as time pass," Williamson said. [Edited on 3-30-2021 by mtgoat666] Yep, I think the fuel coming into Baja is coming from very very many distributors from Southern California. All that stuff seems so intertwined and diversified. Chevron is sending stuff. ARCO. But all these companies have other jobbers that are actually transporting the stuff and it gets pretty complicated I’m guessing. When I talked with the guy from Tesoro/Andeavor/Marathon yesterday he mentioned the new Ensenada terminal and that it was stuck in planning and governmental BS and bribery phase.

liquid petroleum products distribution changes all the time, trucks are used when PLs are offline or unavailable; terminals undergo maintenance, and other terminals get used instead; distribution/transport deals come and go;

i am amused when nomads obsess over knowing where fuels is refined/produced, as if it will be uber important if deciding if their high tech diesel engine survives a trip to baja, or their tacoma gets 17.72 vs 18.265 MPG

Quote: Originally posted by bajaric

the Harbor Dr. terminal is supplied by a pipeline from Mission Valley, that comes down from LA.

Quote: Originally posted by bajaric

It is all the same gas, when it gets to the Harbor Dr. terminal the various companies that have tanks there (Arco, Chevron, etc.) add special additives to make it "Techroline" or whatever their branded super duper special gas is.

“Now we depend on imports, which is something that is going to change by the end of this administration,” said López Obrador. “We are not going to sell (export) crude anymore, because we are going to process it all in our country, and we are going to produce all the gasoline we consume.”


sounds like a plan!

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“Now we depend on imports, which is something that is going to change by the end of this administration,” said López Obrador. “We are not going to sell (export) crude anymore, because we are going to process it all in our country, and we are going to produce all the gasoline we consume.” sounds like a plan!