BajaNomad - Planning to take a 32 foot Toy Hauler to Pismo Beach next month; Need some advice

Nice quiet day at the beach, not too many yahoos....you will be in good company smelling the freedom of your toes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYRcEA0OnA

Looks like a parking lot to me.

Maybe air down your ego a bit... :lol:

Shorty mcjizzy will fit right in with all the redneck knuckledraggers!

JZ - 6-14-2021 at 01:06 AM

Why you keep stalking me on this board I have no idea.

At least this time you didn't search the internet for every college football forum, boating forum, and Chevy truck forum I post on.

[Edited on 6-14-2021 by JZ]

AKgringo - 6-14-2021 at 06:42 AM

It is hard to add anything to the excellent advice that Maderita posted, especially since all my beach towing was with a much smaller combo, but a couple of things come to mind.

Drive like your truck has no reverse gear, because backing up is a sure fire way to get messed up!

Know what the tide is going to be doing, and plan your arrival and departure on an outgoing tide! I know that wet sand is salty, but if it is well drained, it is the best traction and support. On an incoming tide, the wet sand will liquify quickly, and get worse by the minute if you start to have problems.

pacificobob - 6-14-2021 at 06:48 AM

jiz, just stand on the throttle as soon as you get to the soft sand. horse power will be all that is required. have a good time.

BajaParrothead - 6-14-2021 at 08:21 AM

Is that rig a pull trailer or 5th wheel? If it's a pull trailer and has a GVWR 10001 # or greater, then a class A license is required. 5th wheel exceeding 15001 # will require a non-commercial endorsement on a class C license.

JZ - 6-14-2021 at 08:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaParrothead

Is that rig a pull trailer or 5th wheel? If it's a pull trailer and has a GVWR 10001 # or greater, then a class A license is required. 5th wheel exceeding 15001 # will require a non-commercial endorsement on a class C license.

It isn't a 5th wheel. 8,800 lbs dry.

LancairDriver - 6-14-2021 at 08:39 AM

Don’t forget the advice on this forum on airing down.

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Bajabus - 6-14-2021 at 08:42 AM

JZ, no one mentioned it yet but I would pull the RZR out of the trailer and drive it separately to your camping spot. Maybe even in advance to check out your angle of attack.

If you can load it up with other heavy stuff from the trailer even better.

mtgoat666 - 6-14-2021 at 08:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaParrothead

It isn't a 5th wheel. 8,800 lbs dry.

shorty mcjizzy,
with 8800 dry wt, then then the GVWR is almost certainly over 10001

WestyWanderer - 6-14-2021 at 09:02 AM

check your U2U bud

AKgringo - 6-14-2021 at 09:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajabus

JZ, no one mentioned it yet but I would pull the RZR out of the trailer and drive it separately to your camping spot. Maybe even in advance to check out your angle of attack.

If you can load it up with other heavy stuff from the trailer even better.

Good advice! I drove a Chevy Astro van on a beach for the first time, with a Zodiac strapped to the top. I started spinning way too much, and the tide was coming in, so we unloaded the boat right there.

With the weight of the Zodiac, motor, gas cans, and two people out of the van, I was able to drive right out of the soft spot! The Zodiac drivers had a good time running the few miles down to our planned campsite, so it was a win/win!

I bought larger, better tires before the next trip!

BajaParrothead - 6-14-2021 at 09:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaParrothead

It isn't a 5th wheel. 8,800 lbs dry.

That only leaves a payload of 1201 lbs, so the GVWR is likely in the 12K area, necessitating a class A license. If nothing goes wrong, no one will ever know, but that could become an issue if something happens.

JZ - 6-14-2021 at 09:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by WestyWanderer

check your U2U bud

Thanks man, much appreciated.

Lee - 6-14-2021 at 11:58 AM

Guessing the truck will be at max GVWR. Trans temp gauge is ideal. Keep RPMs down. Go slow on Camarillo grade. If your truck doesn’t have Aux braking, you’ll be illegal.

See trouble ahead before it happens.

Have fun. Kids will love it.

motoged - 6-14-2021 at 12:18 PM

Just to clarify a few of your misconceptions, I would like to inform you that other Nomads brought your rude presence on those forums to my attention last year. Some even forwarded their passwords to get into those other forums online so I could see your posts and responses (similar to comments here). I spent about a half hour on one forum and saw that your posting style is ubiquitous. I have NOT been following any of these links, but some Nomads will periodically forward info about your posts on those forums just to share your wealth of knowledge and self-designated correctness on all matters.

So, I haven't been stalking you....just responding to your narcissistic posts here.....as I told you I would.

Recently other Nomads have responded frequently to your posts, but you haven't accused any of them stalking you. What's with that?

If you want to continue to post your attitudes on the internet, get used to the idea you will get feedback.

Take a few deep breaths and consider what makes you such a chite magnet....

caj13 - 6-14-2021 at 02:23 PM

My kid goes there often. she has a 40 ft toy hauler 5th wheel with the big razor in the back , pulled by a 3500 4 WD (no Duely).
They air down to 15 PSI. don't worry about tides. I suspect the 5th wheel set up is significantly easier to pull across the sand

John Harper - 6-14-2021 at 04:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

jiz, just stand on the throttle as soon as you get to the soft sand. horse power will be all that is required. have a good time.

Can he actually "stand on the throttle" while strapped in a booster seat?

John

pacificobob - 6-15-2021 at 07:02 AM

mcj'jiz has also accused me of stalking via U2U.

Why you keep stalking me on this board I have no idea.

At least this time you didn't search the internet for every college football forum, boating forum, and Chevy truck forum I post on.

[Edited on 6-14-2021 by JZ]

RFClark - 6-15-2021 at 08:14 AM

One picture says it all!

We camped and off roaded at Pismo n the ‘70s before the government “improved” it! Note the distant hills to the south. You used to be able to drive there!

Watch the tides carefully!

Watch the Rangers even more carefully! (Ticket$)

Learn why Mexico is better!

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John Harper - 6-15-2021 at 10:07 AM

One picture says it all!

We camped and off roaded at Pismo n the ‘70s before the government “improved” it!

Most likely, abuse and increased destruction of the area's habitat forced the government to step in. I'm sure no one ever spilled gas, oil, or left any trash, beer cans or bottles, or just burned it all in holes dug in the sand. You certainly wouldn't condone that, would you? If people policed themselves and respected common areas, we wouldn't have to use the heavy hand of government. A hike up the San Gabriel River canyons will show you how much respect our public lands receive. Don't forget some spray paint, so you can join the fun!

John

[Edited on 6-15-2021 by John Harper]

RFClark - 6-15-2021 at 10:34 AM

Dear John,

When we all off roaded there in the ‘70s the land in question was a producing oil field! In those days off-roaders were generally responsible and hauled out their trash! We did and still do!

The oil companies finally closed the area to the public because of people suing them because the people were stupid!

I understand the current small area was “donated” to the government which runs it as a revenue source not a public service! The closed nature preserve (oil field) was also donated!

The San Gabriel and Santa Ana River Canyons are both “home” to a very large number of “Migrants sans documents” and the “Shelter Challenged” to use your PC revisionist vocabulary! Yes, the do make a mess of the river canyons as well as start fires!

Not very many bajanomad members, except possibly Goat, live there! Ditto for the spray paint which is now venerated as “Woke Street Art”! (Not!)

pacificobob - 6-16-2021 at 05:05 AM

remind us...what was revised ala "pc"? aren't poor people just awful!?

John Harper - 6-16-2021 at 05:09 AM

Tovarisch,

It's hilarious how words trigger you Trumpists. "Own the Libs!", PC, Woke, Socialist, CRT, etc. What you don't understand, you denigrate and affix childish nomenclature. How quaint.

I guess that's how you deal with your fear of progress, hide behind silly little names that mean nothing. As hollow as Republican policy.

John

caj13 - 6-16-2021 at 07:47 AM

Oh how nice - PC returns!
As a linguistics history lesson for you revisionist history seditionists, who by your words and actions demonstrate on a daily basis that you hate the constitution and our democracy:

PC was the first use of "Code" by individuals who did not want to be held accountable for their words and actions. So - they Invented PC as their dogwhistle, trying to make it seem like they were under attack for their words and actions. Conveniently ignoring the fact that they own their words, and the consequences that come with them.

You have every right to your ideals, words, actions , BUT - you seem to forget that you have responsibility for them and the consequences that follow! for some reason, you seem to think you should not be held accountable. I disagree, i believe you are accountable. Thats where we fundamentally differ -

PC has fallen into disuse as much more modern reiterations - things like Cancel Culture, and Woke, have taken the place of PC.

So When do you pseudo Patriots plan to start taking responsibility for your words and actions?

RFClark - 6-17-2021 at 05:23 AM

John,

Those residing in and defiling the SA and SG river canyons generally aren't Conservatives! Those spray painting everything in sight definitely aren't! While both are inevitable neither represents “progress” to most of us! That said they are a direct result of decades of bad governance in California! “Equity is not Equality” and “Progressive is not Progress” automatically! Name calling is, however very “Progressive”!

LancairDriver - 6-17-2021 at 07:16 AM

John,

Those residing in and defiling the SA and SG river canyons generally aren't Conservatives! Those spray painting everything in sight definitely aren't! While both are inevitable neither represents “progress” to most of us! That said they are a direct result of decades of bad governance in California! “Equity is not Equality” and “Progressive is not Progress” automatically! Name calling is, however very “Progressive”!

Sounds about right. Especially the name calling or trying to top each other with cute little sayings. Reminds me of the old movie “Revenge of the Nerds” where the nerds go after the jocks who have been tormenting them. In this scenario it is always the same non pc posters who are swarmed by the same nerds. Prime entertainment in these boring times. :lol:

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2021 at 07:34 AM

Name calling is, however very “Progressive”!

I seem to recall that your delusional leader, Donald J Trump, was the queen of name-calling and insults.

Btw, it is not name-calling to tell the truth that GOP supporters of Trump are bigots, since it is a truism that Trump is stone-cold bigot (and his entire persona and political message is built on bigotry) and support of trump means the supporter is bigot too.

Mr. Bills - 6-17-2021 at 08:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Most likely, abuse and increased destruction of the area's habitat forced the government to step in. . . .

Even more likely than your "most likely" supposition is that the public has been provided with slanted information from enviro N-zis and other political activists that have used the California Coastal Commission and unelected individuals in state agencies to achieve what they otherwise could not.

See, e.g.:

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/05/11/222751...

https://kmph.com/news/local/friends-of-oceano-dunes-win-cour...

https://calcoasttimes.com/2021/02/20/friends-of-the-oceano-d...

https://www.facebook.com/FriendsofOceanoDunes/

Jack Swords - 6-17-2021 at 08:20 AM

Having lived in the Central Coast since 1960, we are very familiar with Pismo Beach and Oceano Dunes. While we spent much time driving the beach and the dunes, there were practically no quads, and few people. The photo of the end of the S end of Pismo (Point Sal, an excellent hike) required fording the Santa Maria River (tidal basin) and climbing "Devils Slide" at the beach end. Very few could make it over the "slide" and few did. At the top is heavy vegetation. We could drive to the end of the beach and attempt the slide. In time, the increase of quads, dune buggies, etc started destroying the vegetation. The access along Oso Flaco Lake was closed as photographic documentation showed over time how plant life was trampled and lost. Oso Flaco (very close to old oil well drilling area) is now a County Park, parking fee, fully recovered with native plant life, and a hiking trail (with a bridge over Lake) to the beach. Known as a birder's paradise due to the canopy of trees, and pathway to excellent surf fishing. Available to everyone it is well utilized by folks walking the short trip to the beach. The difference between the 1970's and now is overwhelmingly apparent. This road used to be my way across the dunes to surf fish and travel south on the beach. Time, increase in population, more vehicles, simply closed otherwise open areas. It appears that soon the dunes may be closed for good as a consequence of increased vehicle activity causing air-born hazardous particulates to be carried by the wind into adjacent populated cities.

KurtG - 6-17-2021 at 12:35 PM

Jack,
Thanks for that accurate over view of Pismo Dunes. Like you I am a local and have been using the beach since the 60's. You are absolutely correct that the dunes have been overwhelmed by the increase in population and the types of vehicles now present in large numbers. I think the current fairly generous daily limits on number of vehicles is working pretty well. I buy the $50 annual pass and use it to park on the beach at the very north end of the vehicle area. I enter the beach at the Grand Ave entrance so my total distance driven is about 500 yards. Then I take my daily 2 mile walk north towards Pismo in the non-vehicle area. This allows me to avoid searching for a spot in the lot which is often full. I consider the $50 annual pass to be a great bargain. While I'm driving a 4wd vehicle I haven't been in the south part of the beach in the camping/off road area in probably 25 years.

I also really like the walk out to Oso Flaco and the mostly deserted beach out there. I think, however, that it is part of the State Park not a County beach since they accept my annual pass for parking. Also State Parks in their recent plan proposed expansion of Oso Flaco to include a large campground and maybe increased vehicle access once again which I think would be a great step backwards. I feel that the current use regs work pretty well. Easily accessed non vehicle areas which are great for family use and old guys like me who value the daily beach walk without getting run over, as well as camping and off road vehicle use on the south end with some use limitations on all categories of users.

JZ has recvd good advice for his rig in the sand but be aware that the sand changes as you go further south and larger rigs have the greatest risk of getting stuck down there resulting is some great YouTube videos.

Jack Swords - 6-17-2021 at 02:56 PM

Kurt, I guess I denied to myself that Oso Flaco is a part of the State Parks system. Actually the Oceano Dunes State Vehicle Recreational Area. Their plans for the area including another access to the dunes, 20 cabins, 100 tent sites, 200 RV camp sites, a paved concession area, etc. are absurd. The whole area has recovered from vehicle use and is a joy to experience. The State Parks has not been a good steward of its land and these potential changes will change it forever.

We do many of our hiking trips in the Pt. Sal area along Paradise Beach and environs. The adjacent SVRA dunes at Oso Flaco tends to be noisy from the off-road vehicles.

JZ - 6-17-2021 at 03:04 PM

California has 840 miles of coastline.

Dedicating 8 miles of that to OHV use seems reasonable to me. As does having limits on the number of daily camp sites and vehicles.

I signed the petition to push back on the whackados trying to shut it down. They want to take something great from so many generations of families and turn off the $250M of annual business it generates for the local community.

[Edited on 6-17-2021 by JZ]

KurtG - 6-17-2021 at 04:25 PM

California has 840 miles of coastline.

Dedicating 8 miles of that to OHV use seems reasonable to me. As does having limits on the number of daily camp sites and vehicles.

I signed the petition to push back on the whackados trying to shut it down. They want to take something great from so many generations of families and turn off the $250M of annual business it generates for the local community.

[Edited on 6-17-2021 by JZ]

State Parks estimates $70 million not 250 million. http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/1170/files/2007%20Economic%20I...

DouglasP - 6-17-2021 at 04:28 PM

Oh shyte, are you ready for the "unleashing"?
You can't have a differing opinion! You must be ridiculed and silenced!
🙄🤭

JZ - 6-17-2021 at 04:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KurtG

State Parks estimates $70 million not 250 million. http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/1170/files/2007%20Economic%20I...

That study is from 2007, using data from 2005. If you look at the bottom of page one, the total impact was estimated at $101M, not $70M.

I've read other more recent sources that cite $220M economic impact on the local communities. That sounds very reasonable to me.

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2021 at 05:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KurtG

State Parks estimates $70 million not 250 million. http://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/1170/files/2007%20Economic%20I...

I can think of many things societies have chosen to ban despite their economic impact, for example, gambling, fireworks, child labor, whaling, c-ck fighting, dog fighting, recreational narcotics, prostitution, slavery, etc.

JZ - 6-17-2021 at 05:15 PM

The kids at Pismo circa 2012.

Jack Swords - 6-17-2021 at 05:21 PM

Glamis

https://isdpermits.net/

JZ - 6-17-2021 at 05:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Jack Swords

Glamis

https://isdpermits.net/

Is 8 miles of 840 too much to ask for Jack?

That's almost a thousand miles left for birding and quiet walks on the beach.

[Edited on 6-18-2021 by JZ]

JZ - 6-17-2021 at 06:59 PM

I can think of many things societies have chosen to ban despite their economic impact, for example.... slavery, etc.

And there you are right on clue with your disgusting race baiting.

What has to go through someone's mind to equate beach camping/off-roading with slavery and racism?

RFClark - 6-17-2021 at 09:16 PM

So Goat,

Like I said Progressive Name Calling! You call me a Bigot without knowing anything about me passed I said that I didn't vote for HRC or Joe Biden!

BTW are you one of those “dwelling challenged” individuals who lives in the SG or SA riverbeds?

Jack and Kurt remember the gas station up at the Pismo end that had the duce and a half wrecker for pulling ( at a price $$$!) rigs out of the surf?

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2021 at 09:25 PM

I can think of many things societies have chosen to ban despite their economic impact, for example.... slavery, etc.

And there you are right on clue with your disgusting race baiting.

What has to go through someone's mind to equate beach camping/off-roading with slavery and racism?

You are such a snowflake! A very short and hyper-sensitive snowflake!

Go back and read it again. I did not equate, I provided examples,…

Keep on being the problem, and perhaps someday you will see people legislate away the problem. Democracy in action!

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2021 at 09:35 PM

So Goat,

Like I said Progressive Name Calling! You call me a Bigot without knowing anything about me passed I said that I didn't vote for HRC or Joe Biden!

BTW are you one of those “dwelling challenged” individuals who lives in the SG or SA riverbeds?

Jack and Kurt remember the gas station up at the Pismo end that had the duce and a half wrecker for pulling ( at a price $$$!) rigs out of the surf?

You are as obtuse as Mr. Melonhead, the Calabasas midget!

For you obtuse, confused individuals, i simply pointed out that economic impact is not necessarily an acceptable reason for continuing activities that our society collectively finds objectionable.

JZ - 6-17-2021 at 10:01 PM

Is your attempt to call me a "snowflake" and "hypersensitive" your statement against PC culture?

You have accused ppl on this board of being bigoted and/or racist no less than 10 times in the last two weeks. You have also called ppl "queens" multiple times.

You did it again in this thread which is about asking for help in taking my kids to Pismo Beach before they go back to school. And you brought up slavery in this thread as well? Why?

Is that the only thing you are capable of?? What is wrong with you?

[Edited on 6-18-2021 by JZ]

RFClark - 6-17-2021 at 10:16 PM

JZ,

Your kids will love Pismo! Take them there before they shut it down! Watch out for the tides and Rangers!

Goat never denied living in the river bottom homeless encampment did he?

[Edited on 6-18-2021 by RFClark]

Jack Swords - 6-18-2021 at 05:27 AM

Used to be several tow trucks & 4X4s waiting at the ramp going down to the beach, like vultures. We've seen many vehicles in the surf being destroyed by waves. Ugly sight! Sand changes seasonally on the beaches and sometimes eats jeeps and dune buggies. JZ hope you have a safe and uneventful journey.

Mr. Bills - 6-18-2021 at 08:10 AM