BajaNomad - The palm tree is going two feet under water

Incentivizing a reversal of that trend is I think the best use of government oversight, as has been done so effectively in Sweden.

Unfortunately, half of our country is reactionary and mistakenly calls that idea "socialism" or accuses the government of "picking winners and losers."

How can we incentivize critical thinking and some basic history education in the general voting population of the USA? Maybe toss in some civics and clearly some economics?

John

[Edited on 11-27-2022 by John Harper]

JDCanuck - 11-27-2022 at 05:42 PM

Well John, they weren't reluctant to boost the taxes or turn in on the tap of the flows of energy, so the tax reductions should be an easily accepted next step don't you think?
I've never seen anyone yet complain about paying fewer taxes. Right now the government is obtaining zero taxes from EV's that aren't being bought or built. Any additional sales won't cost them anything but generate more jobs, reduced pollution and speed conversion.
Last time I saw a shortage of low cost housing effectively corrected, a similar plan was introduced, property taxes delayed by 2 years, and reduced taxation for the next years as long as they kept a certain percentage of low cost rentals. This created a massive increase in low cost housing by developers. The cost I suppose is the rental rates and real estate valuations remained depressed for decades. due to an excess of available rentals.

[Edited on 11-28-2022 by JDCanuck]

Don Pisto - 11-27-2022 at 05:49 PM

Well John, they weren't reluctant to boost the taxes or turn in on the tap of the flows of energy, so the tax reductions should be an easily accepted next step don't you think?
I've never seen anyone yet complain about paying fewer taxes.

his names Warren Buffett

JDCanuck - 11-27-2022 at 06:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

his names Warren Buffett

I think his comment was his secretary was paying a higher rate of taxes than he was required to and he found that unfair and illogical if we are thinking of the same statement.

Don Pisto - 11-27-2022 at 06:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

his names Warren Buffett

I think his comment was his secretary was paying a higher rate of taxes than he was required to and he found that unfair and illogical if we are thinking of the same statement.

I often forget where I am :rolleyes:

"Warren Buffet for example owes close to a billion dollars in taxes and is always complaining about how his taxes aren’t high enough and he should be paying more."

willardguy - 11-27-2022 at 07:10 PM

:lol:

everything here is worthy of an argument.....now if we can get back to cheerleader outfits......GO BOLTS!

JZ - 11-27-2022 at 07:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

everything here is worthy of an argument.....now if we can get back to cheerleader outfits......GO BOLTS!

This is definitely warming the Earth.

Skipjack Joe - 11-27-2022 at 08:26 PM

Will ppl acknowledge this uncomfortable situation?

[Edited on 11-27-2022 by JZ]

Indian television seldom has anything good to say about China. Those two are adversaries due to border disputes. And that seems to poison everything. It's unfortunate but something the US is working on to take advantage of.

John Harper - 11-28-2022 at 08:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

everything here is worthy of an argument.....now if we can get back to cheerleader outfits......GO BOLTS!

This is definitely warming the Earth.

My favorite cheerleaders, in their "skimpy" outfits! Thanks, JZ!

John

[Edited on 11-28-2022 by John Harper]

Lee - 11-28-2022 at 10:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

everything here is worthy of an argument.....now if we can get back to cheerleader outfits......GO BOLTS!

This is definitely warming the Earth.

My favorite cheerleaders, in their "skimpy" outfits! Thanks, JZ!

John

[Edited on 11-28-2022 by John Harper]

Wow. Bouncing cheerleaders. Porn food for the sexual perverts out there.

Do you guys even like women? Think any women seeing this crap might be offended? Soft porn, JZ, really?

Show some maturity and respect and grow up a bit?

John Harper - 11-28-2022 at 10:47 AM

Think any women seeing this crap might be offended?

Show some maturity and respect and grow up a bit?

Actually, surabi has made her disdain and disrespect for cheerleaders quite clear, so it does not appear she's offended.

John

mtgoat666 - 11-28-2022 at 11:24 AM

mtgoat666 - 11-28-2022 at 11:38 AM

speaking of cheerleaders,...

Cheerleading Against Climate Change

The Sea Squad uses cheerleading to discuss climate change, colonialism and capitalism – and acts as a model for action.

Cheerleaders are individuals, working together as a team. They are a rhizomatic network. They are a model of group leadership, making statements in formation. They are power in a union. A body of water is comprised of individual water molecules, each invisible. And yet the sea as a mass contains so much power.

https://somethingother.blog/2017/11/24/cheerleading-against-...

[Edited on 11-28-2022 by mtgoat666]

surabi - 11-28-2022 at 12:26 PM

Think any women seeing this crap might be offended?

Show some maturity and respect and grow up a bit?

Actually, surabi has made her disdain and disrespect for cheerleaders quite clear, so it does not appear she's offended.

John

I did no such thing. I have disdain and disrespect for the sexualization of women, and the sexist men who enjoy such things and deny they are being sexist. I have nothing against cheerleaders as people, it's the mixing in of sexuality in the "sport", if that's what you call cheerleading.

It would be interesting to see how many men would enjoy watching cheerleaders for their skill, if they didn't wear skimpy outfits and have boob jobs.

surabi - 11-28-2022 at 02:04 PM

Again, you are completely mischaracterizing my words and their meaning.

If you can't see the difference between a person dressing up to go out with a lover or friends, and wearing a tiny skirt like some 4 year old child, or showing major cleavage in front of thousands of people, then you have nothing of value to add to this topic.
And since when does a woman "dressing up" mean she has to have her boobs spilling out of her shirt, or wear a skirt that barely covers her private parts?

Going about unkempt, unwashed and wearing a potato sack is not the alternative to presenting oneself as a sex object. To suggest so is ludicrous.

I can assure you I am not a prude. In fact, I hung out at a lot of skinny dipping beaches when I lived in Canada, because it seems stupid to put on some skimpy piece of clothing to go swimming.
Wearing a bikini on the beach is appropriate- wearing one for a job interview at a bank is not. It's not some stretch to say that female cheerleaders' outfits are designed to be sexy, they obviously are. Just admit that you like that, instead of trying to pretend that isn't the case and you simply enjoy their "skill".

[Edited on 11-28-2022 by surabi]

John Harper - 11-28-2022 at 03:29 PM

Again, you are completely mischaracterizing my words and their meaning.

If you can't see the difference between a person dressing up to go out with a lover or friends, and wearing a tiny skirt like some 4 year old child, or showing major cleavage in front of thousands of people, then you have nothing of value to add to this topic.
And since when does a woman "dressing up" mean she has to have her boobs spilling out of her shirt, or wear a skirt that barely covers her private parts?

Going about unkempt, unwashed and wearing a potato sack is not the alternative to presenting oneself as a sex object. To suggest so is ludicrous.

I can assure you Iam not a prude. Wearing a bikini on the beach is appropriate- wearing one for a job interview at a bank is not. It's not some stretch to say that female cheerleaders' outfits are designed to be sexy. Just admit that you like that, instead of trying to pretend that isn't the case.

What do you think cheerleaders should wear? Something "not sexy?" But then it comes back to your narrow definition of "sexy" and "skimpy", doesn't it? Please define "skimpy" and "sexy" for us, can you?

See the problem with your argument? It only includes your opinion.

Why don't you stop and visit at my high school if you think cheerleaders dress too provocatively. They actually dress conservatively compared to most females on campus. Bring your pearls, as I guarantee you'll be clutching them like an old scold.

Maybe you can help out our administration with a revised dress code? We've struggled for many years to come up with one that is not clearly slanted toward control of female attire. Is that fair?

And, no, I do not watch football for the cheerleaders. Another figment of your imagination. Don't project your hang ups on the rest of us. You clearly harbor some ill will toward men based on your comments. Why is that?

John

[Edited on 11-28-2022 by John Harper]

Lee - 11-28-2022 at 04:16 PM

Think any women seeing this crap might be offended?

Show some maturity and respect and grow up a bit?

Actually, surabi has made her disdain and disrespect for cheerleaders quite clear, so it does not appear she's offended.

John

It is what it is and I get JZs adolescent humor, and now your's, John. Whatever.

John Harper - 11-28-2022 at 06:53 PM

And, no, I do not watch football for the cheerleaders. Another figment of your imagination. Don't project your hang ups on the rest of us. You clearly harbor some ill will toward men based on your comments. Why is that?

John

[Edited on 11-28-2022 by John Harper]

Just another a$$hold troll. Man, you and JZ will always sound like first class jerks debating women. Had you pegged wrong, John.

Remind me. How many women have I debated so far on BN?

Either way, Lee, I'm sorry to read your comments. I feel both of you misunderstand my position. I think she crossed the line in a couple areas. Mainly from disengagement with today's youth.

If you read my comments, I'm actually supporting girls and their right to do (and be) what they want, not be judged by others. I teach high school girls and boys every day, I converse and am acquainted with many of them, allegedly I'm one of the most popular teachers. I don't judge them on dress, hair, or gender. They're our children, all of ours.

Fashion and dress is not scandalous any more, girls are not programmed to find a husband, have babies, and be housewives. I know many LGBTQ kids, it's normal now. They are just like you and me. It's okay.

Also, try and tell a mom in a mini skirt that her daughter is dressed inappropriately and see what happens. Fireworks.

My dear friend Suzy was a Charger cheerleader and is our amazing cheer coach. She's heard all this stereotype crap all her life. If I didn't speak up for the continual denigration of these young women, what kind of man or friend would I be.

So, that's me, take it or leave it. Some of you have not been around young people for years, I'm with them every day. I'm standing for them.

I enjoy my time with them. It makes me proud and encouraged about our future. They are much more civilized than my generation.

But. they all still love the music from my generation. So, we will always have that common thread. Except they never heard the music when it was new nor had a chance to see most of the bands they now love. Priceless rep for me with my kiddos!

John

[Edited on 11-29-2022 by John Harper]

mtgoat666 - 11-28-2022 at 06:57 PM

mtgoat666 - 11-28-2022 at 07:02 PM

BajaTed - 11-28-2022 at 07:13 PM

All know is my childhood beach @ Calafia in San Clemente is gone forever, so is the State beach park. All the businesses there on PCH are soon to go under.
The 130 year old rail line from all the logistic bases inland that made San Diego be a strategic seaport is soon to be NO more too.

Ah yes, NO big deal.

mtgoat666 - 11-28-2022 at 07:25 PM

David K - 11-28-2022 at 08:05 PM

Cliff and beach erosion is not sea level changing any more than are landslides in the mountains. Sand moves and cliffs fall.
Goat can look at a graph. The common sense people can look at historical photos or simply walk a pier and not get their feet wet or launch a boat at the same ramp their grandfather's used.
Can you tell a four inch sea level rise when high tide raises the sea 60 inches, twice a day?
Anyway, the 90 year old + palm is still just above the high tide, as it was in the 1930s.

RFClark - 11-28-2022 at 08:18 PM

Goat,

You can’t say anything about Geta’s qualifications to lead anything because of her disability, but it’s reasonable to wonder what they are? Perhaps it’s the fact that you can’t question anything she says that makes her attractive to lead a movement that wants no discussion of its ajenda.

mtgoat666 - 11-28-2022 at 08:42 PM

Can you tell a four inch sea level rise when high tide raises the sea 60 inches,…

Yes! The high tide is 4 inches higher! If the engineers of yesterday built the storm drain system to drain the streets at high tide 50 years ago, today those storm drains may no longer work effectively at high tide. This is why many coastal cities have more frequent flooding today compared to 50 years ago.

surabi - 11-28-2022 at 09:09 PM

And, no, I do not watch football for the cheerleaders. You clearly harbor some ill will toward men based on your comments. Why is that?

I think she crossed the line in a couple areas. Mainly from disengagement with today's youth.

[Edited on 11-29-2022 by John Harper]

Again, you try to put words in my mouth. I never said or implied that you watch football for the cheerleaders. I implied that men would not be interested in watching cheerleaders if they weren't presented in a sexy manner. Which I stand by. What I originally said, that really seemed to push some male buttons here, was that football is boring and just seems to be an excuse to drink beer and ogle cheerleaders. I didn't ever say I thought that was a terrible thing, but interesting how defensive that made some men here.

I "clearly" harbor ill will toward men? :lol:

Now you sound just like JZ. (Also aligned with JZ on trying psychoanalyze someone you really know nothing about) I could put you in touch with dozens of men who would set you straight on that.

And I can assure you I am not disengaged from today's youth. I raised 3 kids and my house was full of kids and teenagers for over 20 years. I have 5 grandkids between the ages of 12 and 21. My 18 year old granddaughter just spent a month with me and can't wait to come back.

BTW, it's real cute how you deleted your post that I responded to, where you equated not dressing in a sexually provocative manner with never dressing up and going about unkempt, and unwashed and wearing a potato sack.

[Edited on 11-29-2022 by surabi]

[Edited on 11-29-2022 by surabi]

[Edited on 11-29-2022 by surabi]

RFClark - 11-28-2022 at 09:25 PM

Goat,

Think she writes her own material? The general opinion is no! I’m not arguing that she’s not a motivated and believable speaker. I’d simply like to know who’s words she’s speaking.

BajaNomad - 11-29-2022 at 01:23 AM

Goat,

Think she writes her own material? The general opinion is no! I’m not arguing that she’s not a motivated and believable speaker. I’d simply like to know who’s words she’s speaking.

'yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I don’t spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.”'

https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/recently-...

BajaNomad - 11-29-2022 at 01:28 AM

BTW, it's real cute how you deleted your post that I responded to

A lot of people feel this forum's unmoderated. Oy vey! :lol:

Perhaps people should be careful with their insinuations - or face losing credibility and/or respect for inappropriate comments/behavior??? :?:

Wouldn't it be wonderful if people discussed the topics - and avoided unnecessary personal ad-hominem comments about each other? :rolleyes:

Peace, love and fish tacos! :biggrin:

[Edited on 11-29-2022 by BajaNomad]

RFClark - 11-29-2022 at 01:46 AM

I had fresh caught Dorado for dinner myself!

:thumbup:

RFClark - 11-29-2022 at 03:00 AM

Goat,

125 M - 150M in sea level rise in 12,000 - 14,000 years is about a CM/Year average. There have been very large variations from that average.

Your 1st chart shows about 250MM in 120 years or 2+MM per year. Your 2nd chart shows about 3+MM per year over a 25 year period. Both charts have a margin of error grater than the difference between them and both are well below the historic average of 10MM/year.

mtgoat666 - 11-29-2022 at 07:15 AM

Goat,

125 M - 150M in sea level rise in 12,000 - 14,000 years is about a CM/Year average. There have been very large variations from that average.

Your 1st chart shows about 250MM in 120 years or 2+MM per year. Your 2nd chart shows about 3+MM per year over a 25 year period. Both charts have a margin of error grater than the difference between them and both are well below the historic average of 10MM/year.

Clarkles,
You are not entirely stupid! You see the change: rate of sea level rise has recently increased. Slope is getting steeper. This is due to increased GHG emissions and resulting global warming.

RFClark - 11-29-2022 at 09:59 AM

Goat,

They probably are a part in addition to the normal warming cycle we’ve been in for a long time. Remember a few inches is a very small fraction of hundreds of feet in sea lever rise and 25 years is even less measured against 12 -14 thousand years. That being the case, uncontrolled and controlled burning are currently the largest part of added CO2 that we can influence. When Greta and her supporters start talking about controlling that please let me know. I don’t think they’ve said a word on the subject to date.

JZ - 11-29-2022 at 10:13 AM

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Why did all the scientists tell us in 1979 that the biggest challenge was the poles freezing over and glaciers expanding?

[Edited on 11-30-2022 by JZ]

elgatoloco - 11-29-2022 at 01:29 PM

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

JDCanuck - 11-29-2022 at 05:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

The encouraging part is the growth rates in both China and India have slowed recently. Increased economic wealth leads to reduced growth according to studies. Western Europe is in population decline.

elgatoloco - 11-29-2022 at 10:22 PM

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

The encouraging part is the growth rates in both China and India have slowed recently. Increased economic wealth leads to reduced growth according to studies. Western Europe is in population decline.

Waiting for the pope to endorse birth control :rolleyes:

Is the drought over? Don't count your chickens before they hatch!

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2023 at 07:48 PM

California’s snowpack near decade high. What’s it mean for the drought?

As the new year begins, California’s Sierra is closing in on the second-largest snowpack we’ve seen at this time of year in the last two decades, with more snow expected to pummel the mountain range in the coming days.

On Saturday, the statewide average stood at a whopping 162% of normal compared to historic averages for this time of year, just eclipsing last year’s figure. But of the seven times in the last 20 years that California started the new year with an above-average snowpack, only twice — 2005 and 2011 — did it finish the snow season in April still above average.

“It’s just far too early to tell whether or not these storms will have an impact on the drought,” said Andrew Schwartz, lead scientist at the UC Berkeley Central Sierra Snow Laboratory near Donner Summit. “We were in this exact same spot last year. We were way above average, and then the faucet shut off in January through March.”

Last year, the Sierra snowpack plummeted from 160% of normal at the end of 2021 to 37% of normal by the season’s end. The last time California closed a snow season above average was in 2019 — at 161% of normal — after ending the previous year at just 73% of normal.

BajaMama - 1-9-2023 at 10:10 AM

It will never cease to boggle my mind how seemingly reasonable people can willingly ignore scientific fact. Overall, the sea level is rising. There is no denying that, unless of course you are gleaning your information from conspiracy theory/misinformation websites of which there is no shortage. Small island nations are begging bigger, first world countries to do something because their land is being engulfed by the rising water.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

TMW - 1-9-2023 at 11:33 AM

If these ppl were really serious about CC they would stop polluting the Earth with their private jets and they would push for Nuclear energy.

X2

mtgoat666 - 1-9-2023 at 02:35 PM

How much impact man contributes is a huge debate.

Not much to debate. It is real. You denialists are just “debating” because you hate change, and you apparently don’t care a bit about your future generations/descendants.

Meanwhile, you focus on the private jets of a few people. I know the solution. Luxury taxes. Let’s tax all the polluters: private jets, super yachts, muscle cars, people who drive large vehicles but don’t need large vehicles, people that have large houses, fat people that consume too much, etc.
I am all for using the tax system to accomplish social engineering to protect us all from the harmful effects of greed, over-consumption and waste.

surabi - 1-9-2023 at 02:59 PM

How much impact man contributes is a huge debate.

Not among the vast majority of the world's scientists it isn't. A bunch of man-made climate change denialists posting their uninformed opinions on social media isn't what is considered "huge debate".

JZ - 1-9-2023 at 03:02 PM

How much impact man contributes is a huge debate.

Not among the vast majority of the world's scientists it isn't. A bunch of man-made climate change denialists posting their uninformed opinions on social media isn't what is considered "huge debate".

The same pay for play scientists who told us the poles were going to freeze over and we were headed for an ice age?

JZ - 1-10-2023 at 11:25 AM

Half pint,
Not the same scientists. I am pretty sure that scientists that worked in 1960s1970s are different generation than the current scientists whose conclusions so upset your inflammatory bowels.

Let me ask a serious question. Normally, when you don't have a serious answer you resort to name calling, so we'll see how this goes.

1. Were these the same or similar scientists who said unequivocally that Covid came from a bat and now a lab? Those scientists then proceeded to push social media platforms to disallow the American public from even discussing the Lab theory. Only to recant that opinion 12 months later.

2. Or are they similimar to the "scientists" who in March/April of 2020 repeatedly told the American public that masks were "not" required or effective against Covid?

3. What about the scientists who told us that if you get the vaccine "You will not get Covid."

There are a thousand other examples of your so-called "scientist" making foolish statements because of their agenda's and financial benefits.

[Edited on 1-10-2023 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 1-10-2023 at 07:12 PM

Short stuff:
You seem to be very upset when scientist or public health workers change tack based on new evidence and new findings.
I bet you are still steamed that scientists prior to 1543 told your ancestors that the sun revolved around the world.
I bet you think scientists should be charged with heresy if they propose new ideas or concepts without first getting them approved by GOP consensus.
Your attacks on science, the scientific process and scientists are not new. You and your GOP brethren are just continuing a long history of attacking science that does not agree with your political and religious feelings.

surabi - 1-10-2023 at 07:38 PM

Atta boy, JZ. Don't believe anything that scientists say- what do they know, anyway? They went to school all those years for the sole purpose of pushing some political agenda- much better to believe what your right wing buddies and conspiracy websites say- after all, they have no education or experience in these things, so they have no agenda except exposing the truth.

And by all means continue to confuse scientific theory with proven fact and vilify scientists for trying to err on the side of caution and caring whether our children and grandchildren have a future on this planet.

JZ - 1-10-2023 at 07:43 PM

You seem to be very upset when scientist or public health workers change tack based on new evidence and new findings.

In all three of those examples there was no "new evidence."

In order:

1. Bat vs. Lab.

Day 1, several scientists immediately pointed the finger at the lab. They were shouted down. One woman worked at the Wuhan lab.

2. Scientists say Masks don't work.

Really? Do I need to explain things here? Why in the world would a scientist say a mask doesn't work before they have the data? And then completely reverse course 3 months later?

3. If you get the vax you won't get Covid.

I watched a very good video by Voxx (Lib based org) in March 2021. It went through the trial results of all three vaccines. The main take away from the video was that the vax's job wasn't to prevent people from getting Covid, it was to reduce sickness.

I posted the video several times on the board, as it was a very educational. It was the reason I decided to get the J&J vax.

Here is the rub. From May to July of 2021 multiple scientists (including the CDC director) and news organizations were saying on repeat that the vax would keep people from getting Covid. There was no new evidence. They just lied.

Summary

In all 3 scenarios, the "scientist" declared their results as 100% fact. Within 3-12 months each one of those "facts" was reversed. No new evidence was introduced.

Meanwhile, legit arguments against each were suppressed.

[Edited on 1-11-2023 by JZ]

JZ - 1-10-2023 at 07:55 PM

Atta boy, JZ. Don't believe anything that scientists say- what do they know, anyway? They went to school all those years for the sole purpose of pushing some political agenda- much better to believe what your right wing buddies and conspiracy websites say- after all, they have no education or experience in these things, so they have no agenda except exposing the truth.

And by all means continue to confuse scientific theory with proven fact and vilify scientists for trying to err on the side of caution and caring whether our children and grandchildren have a future on this planet.

Attacking me without trying to debate the actual evidence isn't a winning formula.

RFClark - 1-10-2023 at 07:57 PM

S,

Know any people who live off research grants? How many major issues would you like listed where the official scientific position was wrong?

Let’s just list a couple.

1) The continental plates are too large to move! Wrong!

2) We’re entering another “Ice Age”! Wrong!

3) The treatment for stomach ulcers is surgery! Wrong!

4) The world’s supply of oil and gas will be depleted in a few decades! Wrong at least 5 different times since the 1890s!

5) “Mother Nature is mad at us! - Ellen De generes” depends on whether or not you’re a Druid!

elgatoloco - 1-10-2023 at 08:29 PM

Jewish space lasers caused it. According to a reliable source.

RFClark - 1-10-2023 at 08:32 PM

Goat,

You got it wrong! Your school didn’t teach European History?

The Catholic Church burned heretics not books! Which, along with the name calling fails to deal with the fact that big science is usually wrong before they move in the direction of being right.

See above examples!

mtgoat666 - 1-10-2023 at 08:40 PM

Goat,

You got it wrong! Your school didn’t teach European History?

The Catholic Church burned heretics not books!

Clarkie,
The Spanish Inquisition sure burned a lot of books. I suppose the French and Italian inquisitors did their fair share of book burning too.
Where did you read that inquisition did not burn books?
Now that digital has replaced hard copy, how will you MAGA types burn knowledge on the internet?

RFClark - 1-10-2023 at 08:44 PM

Goat,

“Poking you is more rewarding!”

As is ignoring anything that runs counter to what you believe! BTW, how much water is running down your street?

Sorry, I oversimplified the subject.

The Inquisition burned heretics not books. A different church office published the list of banned books and was responsible for burning them.

Same Church but two different and separate church offices!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum

[Edited on 1-11-2023 by RFClark]

[Edited on 1-11-2023 by RFClark]

JZ - 1-11-2023 at 12:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

I like JZ and some of his comments. His problem is that he is unable to discern debate of reason with debate of nonsense. He prefers to cling to the argument that climate change does not exist to sooth his belief bias. Those of us who can sway with facts and actual science can discern what is real and what is not. I have no doubt JZ can do this. He is just too connected to his tribe to initiate real thought and actual change.

I like you too BajaMama.

RFClark - 1-11-2023 at 05:45 AM

BajaMama,

The issue isn’t whether “climate change exists” as the earth’s climate has always changed, often far more then now.

The issue is will putting the people in charge who live in estates on the beach, operate fleets of SUVs and travel in private jets actually reverse climate change? Is doing business at the “do as We say, not as we do” stand going to improve things for the little people like us?

Lee - 1-11-2023 at 06:01 AM

BajaMama,

The issue isn’t whether “climate change exists” as the earth’s climate has always changed, often far more then now.

The issue is will putting the people in charge who live in estates on the beach, operate fleets of SUVs and travel in private jets actually reverse climate change? Is doing business at the “do as We say, not as we do” stand going to improve things for the little people like us?

Inane, at best.

Clark, and JZ, worry about how those with more money spend their money.

You have nothing to whine about Clark. You come across as cheap.

Can you ask JZ to stop whining about other countries and how they pollute the environment. What the hell does that have to do with Baja?

I've never been aware of so many unhappy people on one forum.

RFClark - 1-11-2023 at 06:33 AM

Lee,

Do Baja and BCS have their own air and weather? Other people’s trash doesn’t wash up on our beaches?

Cheap? You bet! I worked over 50 years to be able to build a house in BCS! You bet I’m cheap!

BajaMama - 1-11-2023 at 07:27 AM

There is truth in that climate change has been a dynamic process since the beginning. However, the RATE of this era of change is new. Well, except for the meteor events which cause immediate and drastic change.

RFClark - 1-11-2023 at 01:04 PM

S,

Apparently you don’t, won’t or can’t read!

The issue isn’t whether the climate is changing as it has in the past many times often in days not years or millenniums. Volcanos and rocks from the sky as just two examples of changes in days. Neither are very predictable by science.

The issue today is what are the most important man caused effects on the climate and are the people trying to control aspects of our lives because of “man caused effects on the climate” addressing those most important effects first or even addressing them at all?

My opinion is no and I can support that with facts and science!

Stop yapping about right wingers and deal with that issue!

[Edited on 1-11-2023 by RFClark]

[Edited on 1-11-2023 by RFClark]

JDCanuck - 1-13-2023 at 05:18 AM

Yet another positive move by an innovative mover and shaker that does back up his claims of concern with action.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-slashed-prices-model...

surabi - 1-13-2023 at 08:04 AM

You've got to be kidding. You think he did this because he cares about the environment? Or has a social conscience? He needs to sell cars, his fortune is in jeopardy since he took over Twitter. He just became the first person in history to lose 200 billion dollars.

JZ - 1-13-2023 at 08:16 AM

Yet another positive move by an innovative mover and shaker that does back up his claims of concern with action.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-slashed-prices-model...

Elon is great for America.

TSThornton - 1-13-2023 at 02:17 PM

Submitted without comment:

https://apnews.com/article/science-exxon-mobil-corp-new-jers...

Lee - 1-13-2023 at 03:24 PM

When liberals can't use facts (because they are counter to the left's ludicrous beliefs), they resort to name-calling. Spoiled, sheltered children.

I'm guilty of name calling and mud-slinging. I rarely bring up political issues.

Doug has asked David K to STOP posting and responding to political garbage that doesn't belong on this forum. David is clearly out of control.

I've reported the above post to Doug.

surabi - 1-13-2023 at 05:08 PM

Doug has asked David K to STOP posting and responding to political garbage that doesn't belong on this forum.

By the same token, I would question what JZ's "Elon is great for America" has to do with General Baja Discussion?

Don Pisto - 1-13-2023 at 05:55 PM

When liberals can't use facts (because they are counter to the left's ludicrous beliefs), they resort to name-calling. Spoiled, sheltered children.

You are guilty of repeateing yourself. Everything that bothers you has been removed. Please just stop and give the few Nomads left a break in your personal attacks.

wow! can you prove who stole those strawberries? :wow:

JZ - 1-13-2023 at 05:56 PM

Gonna burn 200 gallons of gas tomorrow on my boat.

'Merica. Freedom.

[Edited on 1-14-2023 by JZ]

surabi - 1-13-2023 at 06:16 PM

There's a special place in hell for people who are proud of being an azzhole.

Lee - 1-13-2023 at 06:55 PM

When liberals can't use facts (because they are counter to the left's ludicrous beliefs), they resort to name-calling. Spoiled, sheltered children.

You are guilty of repeateing yourself. Everything that bothers you has been removed. Please just stop and give the few Nomads left a break in your personal attacks.

I am repeating myself.

Doug singled you out and asked you to ''stop responding'' to political stuff.

It's disrespectful to ignore his request. Don't you think?

surabi - 1-13-2023 at 07:28 PM

You're not relevant enough to anything to hate. I "worship hundreds of thousands of celebrities and politicians". :lol:

I don't worship anyone.

As for bad things happening- glaciers and icebergs melting, sea level rising, species disappearing because they can't survive in the warmer environments, record numbers and intensities of hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, and so on and so on.

But keep your head buried in the sand.

RFClark - 1-13-2023 at 08:54 PM

S,

Better get with Ellen! “Mother Nature is not happy”!

mtgoat666 - 1-16-2023 at 08:30 AM

The Davos World Economic Forum starts today. And the right wing nuts will have a field day making up conspiracy theories!

Davos conspiracy theories, such as global leaders forcing the population to eat insects instead of meat, have hit the mainstream, researcher says

https://fortune.com/2023/01/16/davos-conspiracy-theories-hit...

[Edited on 1-16-2023 by mtgoat666]

JZ - 1-16-2023 at 09:38 AM

mtgoat666 - 1-23-2023 at 04:57 PM

Bill Gates wants to stop cows from burping in latest investment
Bill Gates invests in Australian-based Rumin8 to reduce livestock emissions

Gates is investing in “beano” for cows.

“Gates has previously made public comments arguing that the world’s wealthiest countries should ditch beef for plant-based alternatives to fight global climate change.”

Dk and jizzle:
Pretty soon the only people eating real beef will be us liberal elite occupants of private jets streaking over your heads, while you are spending all day recharging your cars at charge points (or riding your bicycle), eating veggie and algae burgers :lol:

Enjoy your steak today. Your great-grandkids may never know what real gassy steak tastes like! :lol:

TSThornton - 1-23-2023 at 07:05 PM

Will I have a hat trick for the third moderator deletion of this link?

https://apnews.com/article/science-exxon-mobil-corp-new-jers...

David K - 1-24-2023 at 12:25 PM

Thank you, RF.
I do not want to talk politics, I do want to talk about Baja places and history... I wish Lee and MtGoat666 and the few others would, as well.
There is just a point where their comments are so terrible, it demands counter measures... Ya, I know I need to ignore them. It is just that mean people suck!

Have a great day of Peace, Love, and Fish Tacos! [and thanks to Vgabndo for the phrase]

RFClark - 1-24-2023 at 12:34 PM

DK,

All that is necessary for evil to prosper is for the rest of us to do nothing!

If you have a real argument you don’t need to resort to insults or appeals to some “expert” who says what you want to hear anyway.

RFClark - 1-24-2023 at 01:21 PM

David,

Have you considered doing a ebook on Coco’s life?

JZ - 3-12-2023 at 03:45 PM

Here is some good news! Humanity isn't going extinct in 2023! Woo Hoo.

RFClark - 3-12-2023 at 07:38 PM

Greta joins a long and distinguished list of those predicting that the end is neigh! Not the least of which were Chicken Little and Algore!

[Edited on 3-13-2023 by RFClark]

mtgoat666 - 3-12-2023 at 08:26 PM

Greta is great. Young person with passion and conviction.

Contrast that to the average gringo that is overweight and selfish (gluttony, sloth) and
doesn’t care a lick about the world we live in.

Passionate youth trumps old sticks in the mud. I will choose Greta over half pint or Clarkie!

[Edited on 3-13-2023 by mtgoat666]

RFClark - 3-12-2023 at 09:05 PM

Goat picking a GF who’s smarter then you is never a bad idea!

[Edited on 3-13-2023 by RFClark]

elgatoloco - 3-13-2023 at 09:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TSThornton

Will I have a hat trick for the third moderator deletion of this link?

https://apnews.com/article/science-exxon-mobil-corp-new-jers...

Interesting read but remember Corporations are people too. :biggrin:

"DENVER (AP) — Exxon Mobil’s scientists were remarkably accurate in their predictions about global warming, even as the company made public statements that contradicted its own scientists’ conclusions, a new study says.

The study in the journal Science Thursday looked at research that Exxon funded that didn’t just confirm what climate scientists were saying, but used more than a dozen different computer models that forecast the coming warming with precision equal to or better than government and academic scientists.

This was during the same time that the oil giant publicly doubted that warming was real and dismissed climate models’ accuracy."

Sounds like the playbook of a certain popular 'news' network. Believe one thing but say the other so you can bamboozle the lazy illiterate all for the mighty peso. :saint:

lewmt - 3-15-2023 at 09:23 AM

So the scientists quoted in the article are paid by research funding in lawsuits against Exxon. The AP also receives similar funding from 1 of the same organizations.....there is no dissenting opinion offered from any source...but AP is unbiased... :rolleyes:

Woke....yes nodding bobbleheads who accept any premise their government overlords dictate to them

[Edited on 3-15-2023 by lewmt]

Lee - 3-15-2023 at 09:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lewmt

So the scientists quoted in the article are paid by research funding in lawsuits against Exxon. The AP also receives similar funding from 1 of the same organizations.....there is no dissenting opinion offered from any source...but AP is unbiased... :rolleyes:

Woke....yes nodding bobbleheads who accept any premise their government overlords dictate to them

[Edited on 3-15-2023 by lewmt]

Garbage in garbage out. Talk Baja not shlt.

lewmt - 3-16-2023 at 10:06 AM

Meanwhile on the little atoll I work on we are experiencing the lowest low tides ever seen in recorded history - we had to extend the ramp to our dock which has served well for over 20 years. In the inter mountain west snowfall accumulates in near record quantities as well as the norther great plains. Additionally every prediction for catastrophe that should have come true by now has NOT happened....at what point do you actually question the "science"?

mtgoat666 - 3-16-2023 at 11:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lewmt

Meanwhile on the little atoll I work on we are experiencing the lowest low tides ever seen in recorded history - we had to extend the ramp to our dock which has served well for over 20 years. In the inter mountain west snowfall accumulates in near record quantities as well as the norther great plains.

You cant see The forest for the trees!

One Anecdote from one atoll does not change the world-wide sea level rise being observed.

One wet la nina winter for portions of the usa does not negate the long term drought observed in the west, nor the global warming, global climate change being observed.

And you forgot to mention the super warm winter being observed in NE this year…

Another storm hits the NE US!

RFClark - 3-16-2023 at 03:46 PM

Goat,

You should get out more with your GF Greta!

Remember when Oroville reservoir overflowed and was in danger of collapse a few years ago? Well it’s doing it again!

Warmer relative to?

19DAE608-C57E-4982-A06E-A0AFF2B3CF72.jpeg - 321kB

JZ - 3-16-2023 at 03:59 PM

50 feet of snow in Mammoth so far. We are going to be able to ski until July 4th.

Bet Goat has never skied in his life.

Cliffy - 3-16-2023 at 04:12 PM

There is one absolute about water on earth-

The total amount of water on the earth has not changed in thousands of years.

There is no water shortage ONLY a distribution issue.

The earth has changed its tilt 6 times in its history along with a subsequent change in climates in specific area around the globe.

Back in the age of dinosaurs there was much more CO2 and O2 in the atmosphere. Also a higher average temperature.

12,000 years ago we had glaciers in Chicago If modern man is the cause of "Global Warming" and the retreating glaciers today then where did the glaciers go 12,000 years ago when man was basically nonexistent?

JZ - 3-16-2023 at 05:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy

There is one absolute about water on earth-

The total amount of water on the earth has not changed in thousands of years.

There is no water shortage ONLY a distribution issue.

The earth has changed its tilt 6 times in its history along with a subsequent change in climates in specific area around the globe.

Back in the age of dinosaurs there was much more CO2 and O2 in the atmosphere. Also a higher average temperature.

12,000 years ago we had glaciers in Chicago If modern man is the cause of "Global Warming" and the retreating glaciers today then where did the glaciers go 12,000 years ago when man was basically nonexistent?

They have looked back many thousands of years at deposits in ice cores to analyze the relationship between temperature and CO2 levels.

They do roughly track each other, but it is CO2 that tracks temperature.

Cliffy - 3-18-2023 at 10:34 AM

If Industrialization and the burning of dino juice has/is causing the glaciers to retreat today-

What caused the glaciers over North America to retreat 12,000 years ago when that Ice Age disappeared? They were hundreds of time larger than now!

mtgoat666 - 3-18-2023 at 01:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy

If Industrialization and the burning of dino juice has/is causing the glaciers to retreat today-

What caused the glaciers over North America to retreat 12,000 years ago when that Ice Age disappeared? They were hundreds of time larger than now!

Don’t be stupid Cliffy. Smoking kills, even if we are all going to die anyways. Man’s GHG is causing warming now, even if warming would occur another time for another reason.
We know our gas is causing warming, and that warming is disruptive now, so why not stop doing what is causing the destruction? Perhaps the world climate would be better for our society if we hadn’t flocked it up, eh? Let’s unflock it.

tomieharder - 3-18-2023 at 06:05 PM

We know our gas is causing warming, and that warming is disruptive now, so why not stop doing what is causing the destruction? Perhaps the world climate would be better for our society if we hadn’t flocked it up, eh? Let’s unflock it.

Goats produce copious amounts of greenhouse gases. Please do your part, Coop. Lose the goats and raise c-ckroaches.

caj13 - 3-31-2023 at 08:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lewmt

Woke....yes nodding bobbleheads who accept any premise their government overlords dictate to them

[Edited on 3-15-2023 by lewmt]

do you have trouble reading?

Those damn scientists!

mtgoat666 - 4-10-2023 at 07:05 PM

Uh oh… science!

Sea levels rising rapidly in southern U.S., study finds

A study published Monday finds sea-level rise along the coast of the southeastern United States has accelerated rapidly since 2010, raising fears that tens of millions of Americans’ homes in cities across the South will be at risk from flooding in the decades to come.

“It’s a window into the future,” Sönke Dangendorf, an assistant professor of river-coastal science and engineering at Tulane University, who co-authored the study that appeared in Nature Communications, told the Washington Post.

That paper and another published last month in the Journal of Climate find that sea levels along the Gulf Coast and the southern Atlantic Coast have risen an average of 1 centimeter per year since 2010. That translates to nearly 5 inches over the last 12 years, and it is about double the rate of average global sea-level rise during the same time period.

The Journal of Climate study found that the hurricanes that have recently hammered the Gulf Coast, including Michael in 2018 and Ian — which was blamed in the deaths of 109 Floridians last year — had a more severe impact because of higher sea levels.

“It turns out that the water level associated with Hurricane Ian was the highest on record due to the combined effect of sea-level rise and storm surge,” Jianjun Yin, a climate scientist at the University of Arizona and the author of the Journal of Climate study, told the Post.

Data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) show the water level at Lake Pontchartrain, an estuary bordering New Orleans, is eight inches higher than it was in 2006. Other cities threatened by rising oceans in the region include Houston, Miami and Mobile, Ala.

The centimeter-per-year rate is far faster than experts had expected, and it is more in line with projections made for the end of the century, Dagendorf said. High-tide flooding — when the tides bring water onto normally dry land on rain-free days — has more than doubled on the Gulf Coast and Southeast coast since the beginning of this century, according to NOAA. Recent years have seen records for high-tide flooding obliterated. The city of Bay St. Louis, Miss., went from three days of high-tide flooding in 2000 to 22 days in 2020.

A study by scientists with the University of Miami, NOAA, NASA and other institutions, which has not yet undergone peer review, found that the Southeastern sea-level rise accounted for “30%-50% of flood days in 2015-2020.”

“In low-lying coastal regions, an increase of even a few centimeters in the background sea level can break the regional flooding thresholds and lead to coastal inundation,” the study said.

JZ - 4-10-2023 at 07:39 PM

Uh oh… science!

Sea levels rising rapidly in southern U.S., study finds

A study published Monday finds sea-level rise along the coast of the southeastern United States has accelerated rapidly since 2010, raising fears that tens of millions of Americans’ homes in cities across the South will be at risk from flooding in the decades to come.

“It’s a window into the future,” Sönke Dangendorf, an assistant professor of river-coastal science and engineering at Tulane University, who co-authored the study that appeared in Nature Communications, told the Washington Post.

That paper and another published last month in the Journal of Climate find that sea levels along the Gulf Coast and the southern Atlantic Coast have risen an average of 1 centimeter per year since 2010. That translates to nearly 5 inches over the last 12 years, and it is about double the rate of average global sea-level rise during the same time period.

The Journal of Climate study found that the hurricanes that have recently hammered the Gulf Coast, including Michael in 2018 and Ian — which was blamed in the deaths of 109 Floridians last year — had a more severe impact because of higher sea levels.

“It turns out that the water level associated with Hurricane Ian was the highest on record due to the combined effect of sea-level rise and storm surge,” Jianjun Yin, a climate scientist at the University of Arizona and the author of the Journal of Climate study, told the Post.

Data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) show the water level at Lake Pontchartrain, an estuary bordering New Orleans, is eight inches higher than it was in 2006. Other cities threatened by rising oceans in the region include Houston, Miami and Mobile, Ala.

The centimeter-per-year rate is far faster than experts had expected, and it is more in line with projections made for the end of the century, Dagendorf said. High-tide flooding — when the tides bring water onto normally dry land on rain-free days — has more than doubled on the Gulf Coast and Southeast coast since the beginning of this century, according to NOAA. Recent years have seen records for high-tide flooding obliterated. The city of Bay St. Louis, Miss., went from three days of high-tide flooding in 2000 to 22 days in 2020.

A study by scientists with the University of Miami, NOAA, NASA and other institutions, which has not yet undergone peer review, found that the Southeastern sea-level rise accounted for “30%-50% of flood days in 2015-2020.”

“In low-lying coastal regions, an increase of even a few centimeters in the background sea level can break the regional flooding thresholds and lead to coastal inundation,” the study said.

Was this also science?

JZ - 4-11-2023 at 07:07 AM

Yep, radiation poisoning is super clean. Must be, JZ says so.

This guy has been working to improve the environment his entire life. I encourage you to watch and listen.

[Edited on 4-11-2023 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 4-12-2023 at 08:40 PM