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Guess Where in Baja... June 2022 edition (close counts)

David K - 6-8-2022 at 03:11 PM

1) Nobody guessed: El Crucero


2) Guessed correctly by RnR: Mission El Rosario (first site)

3) Guessed correctly by AKgringo: San Roque (near Bahía Asunción)


4) Guessed correctly by Don Pisto: Pozo Alemán

5) Guessed correctly by 4x4abc: On the L.A. Bay-Pta. San Francisquito road, just north of the junction with the El Arco/ Pta. San Francisquito road

6) Guessed correctly by Mateo-Feo: The (north) road to San Borja.


7) Guessed correctly by RnR, Playa la Perla on Concepción Bay.

8) Guessed correctly: El Mármol, by Bajazly

9) Guessed by Mateo-Feo: View from the drive to Bahía las Animas.


10) Guessed correctly by freediverbrian: Bahía San Felipe









[Edited on 7-8-2022 by David K]

Bajazly - 6-9-2022 at 09:27 AM

I would say 8 is El Marmol and 10 is the beach up by Petes Camp

RnR - 6-9-2022 at 10:18 AM

#2 - Access path to mission site near El Rosario, BC.

#7 - Camping beach at La Perla, BCS

pacificobob - 6-9-2022 at 10:57 AM

Is this where you and hernan Cortez first set foot in the new world?

David K - 6-9-2022 at 11:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  
I would say 8 is El Marmol and 10 is the beach up by Petes Camp


#8 is at El Mármol, yes!

#10 is not that far north.

David K - 6-9-2022 at 11:55 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RnR  
#2 - Access path to mission site near El Rosario, BC.

#7 - Camping beach at La Perla, BCS


Winner winner, yes on both. The mission ruins are right in the middle of El Rosario, just a block north of the highway on the concrete street near the tire shop. This is the first Rosario mission for 1774. In 1802, the mission relocated 2 miles west, where there are also ruins in Rosario de Abajo.

David K - 6-9-2022 at 11:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Is this where you and hernan Cortez first set foot in the new world?


Nope, that was somewhere else! ;)

Don Pisto - 6-9-2022 at 12:22 PM

#4 is Pozo Aleman

4x4abc - 6-9-2022 at 01:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Is this where you and hernan Cortez first set foot in the new world?


Cortez here: 24.215023°, -110.089628°

David K - 6-9-2022 at 01:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto  
#4 is Pozo Aleman


Yes, it is!!

pacificobob - 6-10-2022 at 08:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Is this where you and hernan Cortez first set foot in the new world?


Cortez here: 24.215023°, -110.089628°


That may have been where in California, but setting foot in the New World in 1504 was first on the island of Hispaniola (Haiti/ Dominican Republic) then he conquered Cuba in 1511 before going on to Mexico in 1519. His crossing to California was in 1535.



I believe his name was hernan....not hernando.[w/ accent over the a]

David K - 6-10-2022 at 08:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  

I believe his name was hernan....not hernando.[w/ accent over the a]


Yes, in my book it is Hernán Cortés. The map above was off the Internet.

David K - 6-10-2022 at 08:54 AM

The location of Photo #5 was visited by Erle Stanley Gardner and company, in 1966:





2016:



[Edited on 6-10-2022 by David K]

4x4abc - 6-10-2022 at 08:57 AM

#5
somewhere around here: 28.376561°, -113.103790°

David K - 6-10-2022 at 09:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
#5
somewhere around here: 28.376561°, -113.103790°


I did say close counts! You are well within a kilometer... You can see the straight ridge of rocks on the satellite imagery. About here: 28° 22.830'N, 113° 6.962'W

For those of you who don't want to search the GPS on Google, this is along the road between L.A. Bay and Punta San Francisquito, just north of the junction with the road to El Arco.

The three images I took in 2016:






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A few more that Erle Stanley Gardner took in 1966:










[Edited on 6-10-2022 by David K]

4x4abc - 6-10-2022 at 10:32 AM

I picked one of many spots in that area
also found on the trail to Mision Santa Maria

4x4abc - 6-10-2022 at 11:03 AM

your lat/long is waaayyyy off David

4x4abc - 6-10-2022 at 11:12 AM

here are the ones close to Widowmaker on the Santa Maria trail

natural wall-e.jpg - 218kB

David K - 6-10-2022 at 01:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
your lat/long is waaayyyy off David

I just checked, and they are correct... and about 1/4 mile from yours.

David K - 6-10-2022 at 01:34 PM

We need hints for #1, 3, 6, 9 & 10?

#1 is in Baja (Norte), once the major north-south road on that side of the peninsula, and a frequent checkpoint and pit location for the 1000.

#3 is in Baja Sur, a popular place for pangas to off-load their catch, and an interesting church is nearby.

#6 is in Baja (Norte), along a popular dirt road to a Spanish mission.

#9 is in Baja (Norte), on a side road to a bay and some mysterious walls.

#10 is in Baja (Norte), in front of a small city that is the new capital of a new municipality.

freediverbrian - 6-10-2022 at 03:29 PM

#10 is San Felipe. Someone guessed Pete's camp but I guess not Close enough for this game.

4x4abc - 6-10-2022 at 03:58 PM

#5

the lat/long you are giving us is at the highest point of the Cuesta.
All "walls" are on the downhill side about 3/4 mile away
at your location no wall features are visible
they are first found here: 28.375926°, -113.105787°
"wall" visible as seen below
several more follow east from there
28.375396°, -113.102407°
28.374301°, -113.075278°
28.379019°, -113.075074°
28.373842°, -113.072767°
28.375943°, -113.086850°


Screen Shot 2022-06-10 at 4.42.26 PM copy.jpg - 139kB

David K - 6-10-2022 at 04:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by freediverbrian  
#10 is San Felipe. Someone guessed Pete's camp but I guess not Close enough for this game.


Maybe I was too harsh? Pete's camp was the guess and that is a very specific spot, so I said that was too far north, and so it was... The photo is on San Felipe Bay and that is between Punta El Machorro (aka Punta San Felipe) and Punta Estrella.

David K - 6-10-2022 at 04:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
#5

the lat/long you are giving us is at the highest point of the Cuesta.
All "walls" are on the downhill side about 3/4 mile away
at your location no wall features are visible
they are first found here: 28.375926°, -113.105787°
"wall" visible as seen below
several more follow east from there
28.375396°, -113.102407°
28.374301°, -113.075278°
28.379019°, -113.075074°
28.373842°, -113.072767°


On my Google Earth, the crosshairs were on the wall...?? I guess our computers are seeing a difference?



[Edited on 6-10-2022 by David K]

Mateo-Feo - 7-5-2022 at 02:20 PM

#6 Road to La Mision San Francisco Borja

David K - 7-5-2022 at 03:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mateo-Feo  
#6 Road to La Mision San Francisco Borja


Indeed it is! The north road to the mission, traveling south in the photo.

David K - 7-5-2022 at 04:04 PM

We need hints for #1, 3, & 9?

#1 is in Baja (Norte), once the major north-south road on that side of the peninsula, and a frequent checkpoint and pit location for the 1000.

#3 is in Baja Sur, a popular place for pangas to off-load their catch, and an interesting church is nearby.

#9 is in Baja (Norte), on a side road to a bay and some mysterious walls.

MORE HINTS:

#1 got its name (for the road junction) from a small business here selling gas, before the highway was built in 1973. It was the south end of the most common used "gulf route" (1958- 1983) that is now Hwy. 5, using a different route since 1983.

#3 Fishermen use this place as it is very sheltered and an old church nearby was restored a few years ago.

#9 A dead end road to a beautiful beach location. Seasonal fish camp. The Dana Point High School marine biology class used to come here on Spring break.

Mateo-Feo - 7-5-2022 at 04:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
We need hints for #1, 3, & 9?

#1 is in Baja (Norte), once the major north-south road on that side of the peninsula, and a frequent checkpoint and pit location for the 1000.

#3 is in Baja Sur, a popular place for pangas to off-load their catch, and an interesting church is nearby.

#9 is in Baja (Norte), on a side road to a bay and some mysterious walls.

MORE HINTS:

#1 got its name (for the road junction) from a small business here selling gas, before the highway was built in 1973. It was the south end of the most common used "gulf route" (1958- 1983) that is now Hwy. 5, using a different route since 1983.

#3 Fishermen use this place as it is very sheltered and an old church nearby was restored a few years ago.

#9 A dead end road to a beautiful beach location. Seasonal fish camp. The Dana Point High School marine biology class used to come here on Spring break.


#9 Bahia Las Animas

David K - 7-5-2022 at 04:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mateo-Feo  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
We need hints for #1, 3, & 9?

#1 is in Baja (Norte), once the major north-south road on that side of the peninsula, and a frequent checkpoint and pit location for the 1000.

#3 is in Baja Sur, a popular place for pangas to off-load their catch, and an interesting church is nearby.

#9 is in Baja (Norte), on a side road to a bay and some mysterious walls.

MORE HINTS:

#1 got its name (for the road junction) from a small business here selling gas, before the highway was built in 1973. It was the south end of the most common used "gulf route" (1958- 1983) that is now Hwy. 5, using a different route since 1983.

#3 Fishermen use this place as it is very sheltered and an old church nearby was restored a few years ago.

#9 A dead end road to a beautiful beach location. Seasonal fish camp. The Dana Point High School marine biology class used to come here on Spring break.


#9 Bahia Las Animas


Correct! :bounce::bounce::bounce:

AKgringo - 7-5-2022 at 04:32 PM

Your latest hints narrow down the options for #3. It must be San Roque!

I spent a couple of nights camped out in front of the old church before it was restored.

David K - 7-5-2022 at 04:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Your latest hints narrow down the options for #3. It must be San Roque!

I spent a couple of nights camped out in front of the old church before it was restored.


It is!

Mateo-Feo - 7-7-2022 at 03:01 PM

#1 -- What is "La Curva" for 1000 David?

David K - 7-7-2022 at 03:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mateo-Feo  
#1 -- What is "La Curva" for 1000 David?


Sorry... but at least you put in the form of a question! :light:

It is a typical name for a road junction. There was a ranch (using the same name) located just out of sight of the highway but was abandoned in 2016 when we drove past it.

Edit: Here are the two hints, again:
#1 is in Baja (Norte), once the major north-south road on that side of the peninsula, and a frequent checkpoint and pit location for the 1000.


#1 got its name (for the road junction) from a small business here selling gas, before the highway was built in 1973. It was the south end of the most common used "gulf route" (1958- 1983) that is now Hwy. 5, using a different route since 1983.

[Edited on 7-7-2022 by David K]

Mateo-Feo - 7-7-2022 at 03:52 PM

Oh gawd, please tell me it's not Coco's Corner. I feel stupid


:bounce::bounce::bounce:

David K - 7-7-2022 at 05:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mateo-Feo  
Oh gawd, please tell me it's not Coco's Corner. I feel stupid


:bounce::bounce::bounce:


No... but you can see the old maps from AAA (1974-2000) that give the name... as I said, it is the SOUTH END of the GULF ROUTE prior to 1983 (when they bulldozed the road from Laguna Chapala to the road in question, south of Gonzaga Bay, where Coco's first Corner would be set up many years later). There was a poor, 4x4 road from/ to Laguna Chapala before they built a new one by 1983.

David K - 7-8-2022 at 07:25 AM

OK, let's put this one to bed... The south end of the former gulf road and a frequent checkpoint or pit location for the Baja 1000 is EL CRUCERO.

Here it is on a 1975 guidebook map:



[Edited on 7-8-2022 by David K]

AKgringo - 7-8-2022 at 08:53 AM

I did not connect that junction with any name, even though I have been through there several times (as recently as Nov 2021)

That photo looks like so many other places in Baja, it would be hard to make a positive ID of it.

It was a fun game, just a little tougher than some of your other sets of photos!

bajaric - 7-8-2022 at 09:17 AM

I thought maybe #1 was the Sierra la Asemblea! Usually am too lazy to log on here and post a reply. El Crucero is shown on most older maps, but the new Benchmark Atlas does not show it. Benchmark dropped a quite a few of the old historic ranchos shown on the BCA and INEGI maps.

[Edited on 7-8-2022 by bajaric]

David K - 7-8-2022 at 09:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaric  
I thought maybe #1 was the Sierra la Asemblea! Usually am too lazy to log on here and post a reply. El Crucero is shown on most older maps, but the new Benchmark Atlas does not show it. Benchmark dropped a quite a few of the old historic ranchos shown on the BCA and INEGI maps.

[Edited on 7-8-2022 by bajaric]


Well, the mountain in the background is!
Since El Crucero is no longer there, the ranch was abandoned, it didn't strike me as an urgent need to add the name back to the spot. The base map is from INEGI and I made suggestions for additions or edits. We can very easily add El Crucero to that spot, just with a suggestion to Benchmark for the second edition.