BajaNomad - Getting Ugly in San Felipe

Time to upfund the police, give them a better budget to increase their numbers, pay better salaries, buy armor and weapons, get military training,… and stamp out the cartels!
Tax and spend for health and safety of society!

bajatrailrider - 9-28-2022 at 09:08 AM

Silly one keep being in clueless state. Mexico is Mexico you dont live here nor know anything about this country.

John Harper - 9-28-2022 at 09:21 AM

It's never good when the criminals can intimidate the police into quitting their jobs.

John

AKgringo - 9-28-2022 at 09:46 AM

It would be hard to be a "good cop" when it puts your family at risk! If the criminals are brought to their knees, it would almost surely be with the help of a force from outside the locality.

SFandH - 9-28-2022 at 10:05 AM

"Plata o plomo", that's the deal.

IMO, peaceful co-existence is the practical approach.

[Edited on 9-28-2022 by SFandH]

mtgoat666 - 9-28-2022 at 10:20 AM

"Plata o plomo", that's the deal.

IMO, peaceful co-existance is the practical approach.

So you think society should allow the organized crime to continue as usual? :no:

SFandH - 9-28-2022 at 10:55 AM

"Plata o plomo", that's the deal.

IMO, peaceful co-existance is the practical approach.

So you think society should allow the organized crime to continue as usual? :no:

When it comes to drug trafficking. What's your solution? War?

[Edited on 9-28-2022 by SFandH]

Don Pisto - 9-28-2022 at 11:20 AM

violence, hate and fish tacos

mtgoat666 - 9-28-2022 at 11:25 AM

"Plata o plomo", that's the deal.

IMO, peaceful co-existance is the practical approach.

So you think society should allow the organized crime to continue as usual? :no:

When it comes to drug trafficking. What's your solution? War?

[Edited on 9-28-2022 by SFandH]

In some parts of mexico drug lords essentially took over and the police functionally abandoned the area. Basically reverting to lawless feudal kingdoms like in somalia or afghanistan.
The solution to this requires military force, helicopter gunships, etc…

John Harper - 9-28-2022 at 11:28 AM

When it comes to drug trafficking. What's your solution? War?

Legalize, tax, and regulate seem the only realistic options. Like we had to do with alcohol here in the states. There may have to be a "New World" revolution of how we deal with problems that cause transnational upheaval. Our demand has created a nightmare for the supply countries.

John

SFandH - 9-28-2022 at 11:36 AM

The first step is decriminalization. In other words, stop prosecuting the traffickers. Laws can be amended down the road.

[Edited on 9-28-2022 by SFandH]

RFClark - 9-28-2022 at 04:23 PM

SF&H,

That is how civilization dies! Don’t prosecute looters, arsonists, or drug dealers make deals with them! In fact let them take over law enforcement! Not!!

Read Locke on law! You make deals like that you get thugs like Putin!

SFandH - 9-28-2022 at 04:33 PM

SF&H,

That is how civilization dies! Don’t prosecute looters, arsonists, or drug dealers make deals with them! In fact let them take over law enforcement! Not!!

Read Locke on law! You make deals like that you get thugs like Putin!

Thanks for your opinion.

BTW, I said don't prosecute drug traffickers, not all criminals.

So what do you suggest to end drug cartel violence?

[Edited on 9-28-2022 by SFandH]

RFClark - 9-28-2022 at 04:37 PM

What do you suggest to keep the Russians from taking over the Ukraine? It’s basically the same choice! Absolutely no one said it was easy. The Ukrainians are up for it. The Mexicans have to be as well! For that matter so do we in the US!

Did you ever read “The Grave of a Hundred Head” by Kipling?

[Edited on 9-28-2022 by RFClark]

John Harper - 9-28-2022 at 04:48 PM

Yes, it's a complicated world, and too bad so many think there are simple answers to tough questions. Thinking is hard.

John

SFandH - 9-28-2022 at 04:54 PM

My priority is peace, stop the violence. It seems that "violence and drugs" or "peace and drugs" are the two options. The drugs are not going away. It's HUGE money.

Work out a truce with the cartels.

[Edited on 9-28-2022 by SFandH]

John Harper - 9-28-2022 at 04:56 PM

What do you suggest to keep the Russians from taking over the Ukraine?

I wondering about the blown up pipelines. We have sensors laced all through the Baltic, North Sea, and the Atlantic (IUSS), and know every sub that may have left port in Russia. Not sure how deep, but perhaps an underwater drone operation released from a surface ship.

I would be surprised if our submarine and subsurface warfare divisions of the US Navy don't know something, maybe everything. There has to be satellite surveillance of any ships in vicinity. Unless charges were planted months ago?

At least they blew up their own pipe, most likely. What happens if they blow up another one, that's not Russian controlled?

John

RFClark - 9-28-2022 at 04:56 PM

John,

The Ukrainians have through this for a very long time. They understand whats at sake. They “suggest” that invaders put sunflower seeds in their pockets. That’s a simple solution to a complex problem!

John Harper - 9-28-2022 at 04:59 PM

My priority is peace, stop the violence. It seems that "violence and drugs" or "peace and drugs" are the two options. The drugs are not going away. It's HUGE money.

Work out a truce with the cartels.

[Edited on 9-28-2022 by SFandH]

Well, I would imagine the DEA and the US fund a lot of the "War on Drugs" so the best way to call a cease fire would be to legalize, legitimize, and tax the cartels. In exchange, they organize peacefully as corporations, not gangs. And, you'd have to offer amnesty to the leaders.

Tough situations end up with tough choices.

John

RFClark - 9-28-2022 at 05:01 PM

John,

Shooting down a Starlink Satellite or blowing up someone else's pipeline is an act of war. The Putin click is getting desperate. Damaging the 2 pipelines keeps someone else from making a deal behind their backs.

mtgoat666 - 9-28-2022 at 05:01 PM

So what do you suggest to end drug cartel violence?

[Edited on 9-28-2022 by SFandH]

The cartels equip and maintain their own quasi-militaries. In some areas they wage terrorism and occupy territory. I say declare the cartels terrorist organizations/enemy combatants, and send the army after them with orders to wipe them out.
Anywhere the leaders pop up, send in drone strikes with laser guided missles.

John Harper - 9-28-2022 at 05:02 PM

John,

The Ukrainians have through this for a very long time. They understand whats at sake. They “suggest” that invaders put sunflower seeds in their pockets. That’s a simple solution to a complex problem!

I understand what sunflower seeds signify, the flowers will grow when the Russian soldier is in the ground, to mark their graves.

I'm with you, I think we need to support Ukraine and Europe. I don't know why we can't send a few LNG tankers to Europe. And where's Mister Bone Saw and his sham monarchy?

Putin is a menace, he needs to be stopped, somehow.

John

[Edited on 9-29-2022 by John Harper]

RFClark - 9-28-2022 at 05:02 PM

SF&H,

No, generally I don't drink much!

RFClark - 9-28-2022 at 05:08 PM

Goat,

What would Pancho Via do? “The Grave of a Hundred Heads” is more his style than not prosecuting drug dealers.

John Harper - 9-28-2022 at 05:10 PM

John,

Shooting down a Starlink Satellite or blowing up someone else's pipeline is an act of war. The Putin click is getting desperate. Damaging the 2 pipelines keeps someone else from making a deal behind their backs.

Good point. That's a good call, considering the treacherous politics of Russia.

John

[Edited on 9-29-2022 by John Harper]

John Harper - 9-28-2022 at 05:21 PM

I say declare the cartels terrorist organizations/enemy combatants, and send the army after them with orders to wipe them out.
Anywhere the leaders pop up, send in drone strikes with laser guided missles.

General Sherman is saluting you from his grave! Bravo. Scorched Earth policy, a sure winner.

But, the problem starts here. Attacking cartels is like attacking distilleries for making the whisky you drink. Oh, I forgot, we tried that. How did that go? We created modern organized crime through Prohibition. Oops.

You gotta bring them legit, like Michael Corleone said. Bring it all out in the daylight. Attacking people never really solved anything, has it? Turn them into corporations, and then they can become legalized criminals. The American way.

John

RFClark - 9-28-2022 at 05:44 PM

John,

UKRAINIAN WOMAN TO RUSSIAN SOLDIER: You’re occupants, you’re fascists! What the f*** are you doing on our land with all these guns? Take these seeds and put them in your pockets, so at least sunflowers [Ukrainian national flower] will grow when you all lie down here.

She understands what’s at stake when you allow lawlessness to prevail.

One question was:

John M - 9-28-2022 at 07:45 PM

What would Pancho Via do? The Grave of a Hundred Head is more his style than not prosecuting drug dealers.

"Blackjack" Pershing didn't do so well chasing Pancho around, who thinks today's Mexican military would do any better chasing the cartels?

John M

[Edited on 9-29-2022 by John M]

Lee - 9-28-2022 at 08:03 PM

Remember when the world was mostly at peace... during the Trump administration??

:light:

That might be but this country was more divided than ever. The Loser encouraged violence at rallies and not so subtle messages like STAND DOWN AND STANDBY.

Gessus Dave. Grow up. Stop the gibberish. :lol:

mtgoat666 - 9-28-2022 at 08:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Legalizing meth, coke, heroin, etc., would be a train wreck.

Legalizing pot did not work out well in California. Illegal pot shops pop up all the time here in east county San Diego,… fly by night operations that operate outside of legal/tax system. Cops play whack a mole with them. And because it is mostly cash business, they seem to have shoot outs in their parking lots every few months…
And still illegal pot sales flow, the cartels grow/sell weed because they avoid taxes that legal growers pay.
Public lands are still overrun with illegal grow sites.
Legalization resulted in cartels continuing to operate in black market.
Legalizing meth and heroin will result in same, cartels will operate in black market.

I am all for usa military industrial complex selling drones and missiles to Mexican military to use on cartels.

John Harper - 9-29-2022 at 07:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

At least they blew up their own pipe, most likely.

I don't understand the logic behind that.

To disrupt the flow? For a line on which they control the input? :rolleyes:

See RF's insight into why. Cortes is burning his ships.

John

[Edited on 9-29-2022 by John Harper]

John Harper - 9-29-2022 at 07:51 AM

Oh, and gas prices just passed $7 here in San Diego County... Still feeling love for this leadership?

The gas price spike is the "old familiar" oil company story. Several refineries are down for maintenance, some unplanned. Also, switching to winter blend gas.

We've seen this movie before, for years and years.

Gas in Yuma is $3.35, so it appears to be a local price spike, once again.

John

[Edited on 9-29-2022 by John Harper]

BajaTed - 9-29-2022 at 08:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Remember when the world was mostly at peace... during the Trump administration??

:light:

Ya, Old Joe is such a uniter! Gibberish? Biden invented it!
Can you put America first instead of just repeating what you hear on state-run media (CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc.). Oh, and gas prices just passed $7 here in San Diego County... Still feeling love for this leadership?

David,
It's been proven many times, the state of California is short about a refinery and a half of the capacity needed for Gas prices to align with the rest of the country. Kinder Morgan who owns the Texas/Cali pipelines makes sure NO new refineries can be built

If the Chevron refinery in Carson would convert to gasoline production instead of LAX jet fuel, the problem is hugely mitigated. Airlines & Chevron (a Cali based company) told the state a big FU.

RFClark - 9-29-2022 at 08:15 AM

So did anyone tell “Uniter Joe” that the Congresswoman he was calling out for in the audience the other day was tragically killed in a auto accident a while ago? Did anyone tell him he’s the President not Obma?

RFClark - 9-29-2022 at 08:20 AM

BT,

The only place that uses California formula gas is California. The AQMD makes sure that there will never be another refinery built here not a pipeline company. NIMBYs pay $7/gal for $3.35 gas!

BajaTed - 9-29-2022 at 08:23 AM