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Skeet/Loreto
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George
I was there last year George and was greeted and treated the same as I was the past 30 years. A few of the newer people had come in trying to Cit a
Fat Hog, like the guy from Brazil, but most of the people were the same.
I think maybe that i respected them as they were and did not try to change or condem their ways built a mutual Respect between us.
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The Photo Posted is after you come into Loreto, as you go around the circle, there is the "El Nido' on the right, then the new Motel and then the
pemex.
On your left is the Salverteria Motel. the Area coming out of the air[port and onto hwy 1 has not been developed at this point.
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I took the survey that used these and other photos. The photos were taken by a Harvard grad student, a native of Costa Rica, and altered with
Photoshop.
Photo #1 is the airport turnoff with the Telcel billboard Photoshopped out, and photos #2 and #3 are the exact same photo with "development" added
with Photoshop.
I believe #4 and #5 are Ensenada Blanca.
#6 is Juncalito, with the current village removed with Photoshop. The next photo is the same photo altered again. There is a third, un-photoshopped
pic that was not posted here.
The next two pictures are south of town, near Notri, I think.
The last two are a photo of Miramar, as it is and photoshopped to what it may be.
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Capt. George
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Skeet,
I think that if I were to leave Punta Abreojos and return years later, the people and their culture and town would most likely remain the same for
Deborah and I.....As you, in Loreto we have become a part of "their" community in our little corner................
George
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Skeet/Loreto
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Don Alley
Thanks for the details!
Sometimes this Heart medicine gives me the Heeby jeebies making it hard to concentrate.
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Bruce R Leech
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Mood: A lot cooler than Mulege
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what no Toco Bell? where are we going to get our authentic Mexican food?
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
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I took the survey that used these and other photos. The photos were taken by a Harvard grad student, a native of Costa Rica, and altered with
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Don, can you tell me what survey you're taking about?
I like these types of research and now my curiosity is piqued.
Are the following maps just a vision or are they based on real data like urban growth boundaries.
It looks as if the whole Loreto basin is included for development according to the plans maps.
I also take issue that the group includes the Loreto Bay Co.
It would seem appropriate to have some local representation that could follow the study and relate that to Loretos' citizens.
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Don Alley
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Sharksbaja:
The survey is part of the evaluation by the universities. It involves sorting 50 photos into groups of most appealing, next most, neutral, bad,
terrible. Some photos are altered, some are not. The objective, I believe, is to get some kind of data suggesting that development can reduce an
area's appeal to tourists.
Maps: The "Plan Director Proposal" map is from Fonatur, and dates back to about 1984. Yet it is still the current proposal for a development master
plan and carries a great deal of weight in this process. The POET map is the only developed alternative proposed so far, and calls for less waterfront
development. The conflict maps suggests areas where there may be conflicting public and private views on use and access.
The university group will craft a report detailing impacts of the proposals...on water quality, water quantity, social aspects, electrical resources,
sewage, garbage, schools, public services, and all that technical stuff that is difficult for small town leaders to project in the face of
development. Interested parties have until September 1 to propose additional scenarios to the university group.
But here's a point the professors strongly stress: that with development coming, with or without a master plan, Loreto will be disadvantaged without
adopting some comprehensive plan. A lower ability to attract needed funds for infrastructure was one possible problem cited. In other words, the
current administration is being told it is not a good idea to just avoid the planning process, as the previous munincipal administration did.
The Authentic Mexican Villages of Loreto Bay's involvement is unclear; they are a possible source for funding, and have the organizational ability to
propose an alternative by the Sept deadline. But so far, who knows what, if any, position they may take.
One further comment...I did speak with the University of Arizona prof studying water. He believes Loreto's current water source can support no more
than 25,000, and that the water table in the valley where the water is drawn is dropping...that some of the certain big development's water well plans
are not feasible...that the electrical grid may not be able to support much desalinization...
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Skeet/Loreto
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As you must know, from the very start I have ask "Where is the Water coming from to support the increases in population?}
As the Az. prof reported, there is just not enough Water or Power, very similiar to other Projects started and stopped in various parts of mexico.
I still think it would be feasible to buy water from Canada, ship it through the Colorado River System to Baja and Mexico Mainland.
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
The Authentic Mexican Villages of Loreto Bay's involvement is unclear; they are a possible source for funding, and have the organizational ability to
propose an alternative by the Sept deadline. But so far, who knows what, if any, position they may take.
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That is what scares me. Given a void, and an important one like urban planning, I can see the benefit of being "first at bat". Authentic Mexican
Villages of Loreto Bay's (and others)planners,lawyers and political strong-arms will dominate the scenery. They care not about resource availability
above and beyond their project. Especially infrastructure like wells ,grids, roads, sewers. They will just wait for the invitation. They are at the
front of the line so to speak.
Problems like the blatant use of water for the golf courses, they are sooooo important for commerce! Who has the say?
Is the town of Loreto at any obligation to follow any of the recommendations put on the table by this study group? Do the officials actually have a
master blueprint from which to work or is all their knowledge based on the 1984 event(s).
I worry that the wrong folks may benefit from this grandiose study. The lowly grad students.
[Edited on 6-9-2005 by Sharksbaja]
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Skeet/Loreto
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Don
Good Photos and description of the Loreto Area.
Question: Can you bring up any of the Area North of Loreto.
You know the View from the "Penthouse" to the south is excellent.
Many years ago a young man came down and built 13 home sites in those small Hills across the Hwy from where the villages will be constructed. He
stoped his Construction when he had a Study done of the Water problem.
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Sharksbaja
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Skeet, here are the rest....
of the study area around Loreto:
It seems like a large area. Do you know how many kms between north and south pics?
Thanx Don, for the info.
[Edited on 6-10-2005 by Sharksbaja]
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Don Alley
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Skeet and Sharks
Skeet...north of town
The area north of town appears to be developing independently of any plan. Rumors: the current mayor/presidente is not happy that the ejido subdivided
the beach north of town with no roads or acess to the beach. There is a potential for a solid wall of housing, except for the large arroyos. Also, the
development that hopes to build the marina north of town has destroyed a spur road to the beach along their northern fenceline to keep people away
from "their' beach (this after relocating the main road away from the water), and some local Americans up there asked the city for their own police
protection and to close the beach to the public. The city said no. Rumor: A man from Seattle has purchased the old Mission Hotel, to restore it, and
the Doctor's Point (El Bajo) property will not be developed in the near future.
Sharks...
These university folks are primarily middle-age professors...not young grad students. So they seem well established in their careers and under no
pressure to deliver to anyone.
They will develop a report and make a presentation. They are here strictly to provide information. The munincipality will be under no obligation to
heed any recommendation, or to take any action. What's happening here is Loreto's local officials, like their small-town counterparts all over the
world, just don't have the experience to deal with these issues they are now facing. So interested parties (?) arranged this study. The city didn't
ask for it. While some may try to influence the profs, I don't believe that will work. They will be influenced by their established methodology. Then,
interested parties will try to influence the munincipality, and who knows? After that, there may be opportunities at the state and federal level but I
haven't gotten there yet.
Clout: The professor making the presentation stressed that Fonatur is a major player with considerable clout. Loreto? So far, virtually no public
interest, and a prior public meeting drew no one. This May meeting was packed but 2/3 were Americans. But local newspapers are covering these issues
and people are starting to talk about beach closures, so that may change.
As for the Magnificent and Amazingly Authentic Mega-Villages of Loreto Bay, who knows? Some think they may try to push for less development, therefore
less competition for potential buyers and for resources like water and power. Maybe. But I suspect that they will support their ally Fonatur, no
matter what, because they may need Fonatur's clout to assure themselves water, power, and sewage. Or they may stay clear, not wanting to risk
offending anyone. And they may welcome competing development as a means of giving the area more publicity and pushing property values even higher.
People like to say "We don't want another Cabo" but real estate folks are pushing Loreto property as an oportunity to "Get in on the ground floor at
the next Cabo."
There is a new newspaper out with an account of a meeting with someone from the Truly Magnificent and Absolutely Amazingly Authentic Mega-Villages of
Loreto Bay Organic Bamboo Farms and presidente Rudolpho Davis...but my Spanish is in the formative stages, and I have to find another copy and get a
translation.
Went fishing yesterday. If a bunch more people are coming, they better put some more fish in the sea. 
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Don
Thanks for all the good pictures!
Where did you go fishng that you did not catch many Fish?
If you run out of Secret Places give me a u2u and i may be able to help.
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Good info, I figured as much..
Don
Pretty hard to put the real players together and have a comprehensive town meeting. Especially one that has clear pictures. These big developments may
be a given in Canada and the U.S., but they(the local gov) probably hear nothing but foreign jibberish in Loreto. I am sure Fonatur would much rather
have less responsibility when it comes to running power lines and laying sewers.
So, what you are saying is......... there is no real sense of infrastucture planning continuity outside the Magnificent and Amazingly Authentic
Mega-Villages of Loreto Bay project?. Is it like "play as you go, build as you go" after that one is in?
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Don
Thanks for all the good pictures
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