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David K
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Ken and Bob, I am only entering into this frey because of personal involvement in or opinions regarding SCORE racing on the peninsula. Please do not
take my opinions as anything personal against you guys... I just want to have all sides heard and some thinking to take place. Let's remain amigos,
please! (Ken, so you really did read Marx?!! )
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ken and Bob, I am only entering into this frey because of personal involvement in or opinions regarding SCORE racing on the peninsula. Please do not
take my opinions as anything personal against you guys... I just want to have all sides heard and some thinking to take place. Let's remain amigos,
please! (Ken, so you really did read Marx?!! ) |
Amigo's si. I can disagree and still buy you a drink. Frankly on this issue I think you'd be surprised that we are probably not very far off. You
can't limit your friends to those with identical viewpoints can you? It would get both boring and lonely.
Yes, I did read Karl Marx (Das Capital). It was on the book list in an economics class.
Ken
Yours truly on the "Race Course", and I know you know where.
Yes, I did read Karl Marx (Das Capital) it was on the book list in an economics class.
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David K
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Nice rig!
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Desertbull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
Bunch of US boys going to mexico to practice a hobby (this is no sport) no sane land owner or manager allows in the US. |
Riding in Pat's plush new Class 10 car or the Lothringer wouldn't do this guy justice. Strap him in my 5/1600 for a wild ride through 4 miles of 3
foot deep silt heading out of Tres Hermanos and see what he thinks after a blinding "don't friggin' lift" ride in the deep azz silt...that is littered
with 50 buried Trophy Trucks, Class 1's, 10's, Pro Trucks galore and so on and so on...
That might help convince him it's far from a hobby...it's just not a sport...but its a team sport that is impossible to do without a well-orchastrated
/ trained group of friends who are passionate about not just motorsports..but Baja in particular.
Or howabout hitting the bumps with the stick pinned in fourth and banging your noggin on the roll cage...maybe he's right its not a sport...its an
addiction!!!!
[Edited on 6-7-2007 by Desertbull]
DREAM IT! PLAN IT! LIVE IT!
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Cypress
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'Bout like rush hour traffic in most any major city, just remove the pavement.
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TMW
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burro bob, does CODE arrange to have a road graded? I'm not aware of any road being graded after any off-road race in Mexico. If an Ejido is not
getting paid by SCORE they should contact the appropriate Mexican authority.
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PJC
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
I'm simply thinking that motor racers are delusional to think they are participating in a sport. If you don't need cardio-vascular fitness and you
can do it well with a beer belly, it is not a sport. |
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1) The two men that recently won the Baja 500 in the top truck class are both physical fitness fanatics which provided a clear and decisive advantage.
2) The young men and women that race and succeed on motorcycles and ATV's are incredibly fit by default.
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[Edited on 6-8-2007 by BajaNomad]
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Cypress
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About the off-road races. It's a sport to many people, so is golf, tennis, ping-pong, baseball, football, chess, poker, chicken fights, dog fights,
and on and on. Fishing is a sport. Hunting is a sport. I'm not forced to participate in your sport, whatever it might be. What impact does your sport
have on none participates? This so-called sport business is getting way out of hand.
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PJC
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
This so-called sport business is getting way out of hand.
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Hey Cypress, you go boy. Go and setup a town meeting with the local folks in Baja to ban the dastardly off-road races and see where you get (likely 6
feet under).
Note: "local" does not include ex-patriate gringos that want "gated community" ammenities in the frontier of Mexico too include HOA commitees that
will make sure the fence is high enough the broken glass on top is sharp enough and that your trash cans are all the same color, vintage and in
perfect alignment on trash day.
[Edited on 6-7-2007 by PJC]
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Cypress
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PJC. On second thought!
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BAJABAILADOR
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been on almost every road,goat trail & two track in baja norte in the last 32 years. much to do with races but most not.Running a grader down the
road isn't much of a fix from what I've seen.
In Baja if there's a real problem it will get some attention, at least enough to get by. I'm just glad they finaly started maintaining Hwy 1.
Score money ? Code can't wait to take over ! Nothing would change except qaulity of organization for a few years.
just my two centavos
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burro bob
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David
You and I both are interested in seeing SCORE return to race in San Felipe. I just don't see how you can make some of the comments you do when you are
in no better position to know the truth (where that $75 goes) than I am.
If people think that the Ejido Plan National Agrario is going to allow SCORE races to be held on their land without the kind of changes that are
described in Lou's letter then they are living in a fantasy world. I personaly think it will be several years before we see another SCORE race around
here.
TW
CODE negotiates and pays a fee ( I don't know how much) directly with the Ejido. Their entry fees are a whole lot less and they don"t charge a $75
land use fee so I doubt if the fee comes any where close to paying for a course grading. The Ejido doesn't really care about the condition of the
course except on those roads that are used on a regular basis by the ranchers.
Yes SCORE is still responsible for getting the land use fee into the hands of the correct people. It is not the Ejidos job to chase down government
officials so they can be paid. Heres an example for you....
I am going to hold a weekend rave in your back yard. Don't worry I allready have permission from the city and your neighbors. They like the idea
because they can rent out their front yards for parking and their backyards for camping. The kids can set up cookie and lemonade stands on the street.
I will charge $20 per person to get in. I will pay $1 out of each entry fee to a government agency so they can pay you for the use of your back yard.
Don't expect me to tell you which agency or how much they recieved. My business records are none of your business. ...Now just change me to Sal Fish
and you to the Ejido and you might begin to understand the problem.
Lou
I can understand why Ejido PNA would be dealing with Ensenada for the 500 and the 1000 but not for the San Felipe 250's. Only a small part of those
races were held on Ensenada controlled land (Ejidos Dilicias and Matomi). San Felipe doesn't get it's fair share of tax revenues back from Mexicali
which it is a part of. How could they ever expect to get a fair cut from a government agency that doesn't represent them at all. In fact they could be
considered direct competitors.
To all the other race fans.
Thinking that racers are considered heros by all Mexicans and that they all love off road racing is a delusion. It is pretty much like it is in the
States, some really love it and some really hate it and most don't care one way or the other. It's not the fans you need to keep happy to continue
racing, it's the land owners.
burro bob
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Bob, Sal only wanted to deal with one entity, to handle all his land use needs. Or so the story went.
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David K
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I thought the land was GIVEN to the ejidos BY the government (to develop, farm, etc.). Should an ejido have that kind of power to rob an entire city
or region of a huge financial gain? The good of the many vs. the good of the few... or the one... (uh oh, have I been reading Karl Marx?)
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Cypress
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Anybody ever heard of "Imminent Domain"? Oh yea! You've got to surrender your
land in order for someone to drive over it with their "toy" vehicle and have a good time.
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David K
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Come on guys, you are usually big on government control over private rights... For the good of the many (San Felipe businesses) over the good of the
few (ejido masters and undeveloped desert)!
Just want to have both viewpoints exposed... Whatever ends up working is going to have to be fine... I would bet SCORE avoids San Felipe for a L-O-N-G
time!
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