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shocked.gif posted on 9-9-2007 at 06:18 AM
whaling in Alaska. Still a problem for Greys.


Susan,
What a tragedy!! Of the worst kind. Can’t this tribe step into reality? If they want to go back to ancient times and revive their heritage, then get rid of the cars, phones, medicine, etc....and put a perimeter around the land they own. Then let starvation set in and the dangerous whale hunts to begin---with only harpoons---not cannons and elephant guns. No matter the situation, this is not going to revive ANY sort of kinship amongst their tribe.

Why not embrace the grays and find a way to utilize the beautiful area and lands that they have to find another PRIDE within themselves. Build a future for themselves, the children etc....Local Mexican fishermen, that once thought of the Gray whales as mere pests have done this. AND they have changed their futures. They have children now going to universities, studying to be biologists, accountants....obtaining professional degrees...as well as becoming naturalists.

The things I have seen are astonishing. From 20 or so grays dying in nets in the lagoon every season to the entire lagoon striving to keep this place sacred and respecting the mighty Gray.
It’s a sad thing that the Makah cannot find a similar path to go down and find pride amongst these giants that fed them through tough winters. Give respect to this animal. No matter what we or they might be thinking, we now live in the twenty-first century and killing whales does nobody any good. Not only is it bad press for the Makah tribe, it accomplishes nothing!! What have they accomplished and what are their goals. Get their children educated and save their precious resources and themselves by instilling pride in what incredible natural resources they have.
Here in Baja, Mexico people would kill to have what they have and would scowl at how they utilize their time for such waste.


I hope one day someone in the Makah tribe will REALLY stand up and embrace reality and realize that what they are doing accomplishes NOTHING and sit down and figure out a real plan to resuscitate their people and bring them back to the giants they once used to be.

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On 9/8/07 3:25 PM, "Susan Berta" <susan@orcanetwork.org> wrote:


Bad, sad news.....
I just got a call from someone on the Strait of Juan de Fuca - the Makah Tribe shot a Resident Gray whale about 12 miles west of Seiku, in the Strait of Juan de Fuca this afternoon. The whale was still alive, and the Coast Guard has a perimeter set up around the whale. Apparently NMFS & the Coast Guard have detained the tribal members involved, as they did not have the go-ahead to continue the hunt at this time & Federal laws have been broken.

There have been several Gray whales in the Seiku area feeding all summer long, we've had numerous reports of them from area residents. There is a fishing derby happening out of Seiku today, it's a sunny day & the coast is packed with tourists, fishermen, etc.

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[*] posted on 9-9-2007 at 09:53 AM
Not Alaska but popular tourism area around Vancouver and vancouver island!


I used to live in that area and was very familiar with this whole issue. I lived amonst the natives of the west coast who were traditional whaling families who now have whale watching businesses and depend on tourism which is working out well for them. I was told that the Makah began all this after a Japanese group came to their tribe and "helped" them organize these hunts disguised as traditional ones. the Japanese have a keen interest in reinstating whaling everywhere..and it this aboriginal use tactic is common. They are very intelligent and know how to "sell" the idea to the tribes. It is very sad and dangerous as the "friendly" whale phenomenon makes it real easy to kill them....the whales have lost their fear of boats now and approach them...well if they keep up this killing, the whales in this area may retaliate and cause harm to whale watching boats...it will certainly upset the balance and trust that has been nurtured over the last 20 years between whales and humans. I am all for aboriginal permits to hunt game but whales are a very different issue particularly in a popular tourism area.

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[*] posted on 9-9-2007 at 10:26 AM


Seems the members of this 'ritual' hunting party shot the grey whale with a .50-caliber machine gun. Seems not particularly a spiritual adventure to me.:no:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070909/ap_on_sc/whale_shot

Calif. gray whale shot with machine gun

Sun Sep 9, 8:00 AM ET

NEAH BAY, Wash. - An injured California gray whale was swimming out to sea Saturday after being shot with a machine gun off the western tip of Washington state, officials said.

Coast Guard Petty Officer Kelly Parker said five people believed to be members of the Makah Tribe shot and harpooned the whale Saturday morning. The extent of the whale's injuries were not immediately known.

Tribe members were being held by the Coast Guard but had not been charged, said Mark Oswell, a spokesman for the law enforcement arm of the National Marine Fisheries Service.

A preliminary report said the whale was shot with a .50-caliber machine gun, Oswell said.

Coast Guard officials created a 1,000-yard safety zone around the injured whale, which was shot about a mile east of Neah Bay in the Strait of Juan de Fuca. The whale had begun heading to sea Saturday afternoon, Oswell said.

Although the tribe has subsistence fishing rights to kill whales, Oswell said preliminary information indicates the whale may have been shot illegally.

"We allow native hunts for cultural purposes. However, this does not appear to be of that nature so far," he said.

The Makah Tribe has more than 1,000 members and is based in Neah Bay.

A call to tribal officials was not immediately returned on Saturday. Tribal Chairman Ben Johnson told The Seattle Times that the tribe has been seeking an exemption from the federal Marine Mammal Protection Act so that it could take up to five gray whales per year. However, Johnson said the tribe had not yet secured that exemption for a new hunt.




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[*] posted on 9-9-2007 at 10:33 AM


Jeez!:o Those Makah dudes must be some real brave warriors, harpooning a tame whale and then putting it out of it's misery with machine gun.:(
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[*] posted on 9-10-2007 at 08:46 AM


I rather doubt these warriors engaged in all the pre-hunt rituals that traditional hunts require. I was involved in photo ID'ing "resident" grays in this area..and these grays that remain there in the summer have very small groups...many times between 6-12 animals in each bay. So for them to take 5 whales in their area not only would decimate their summer resident whales but certainly other whales would not return to this death trap later, which will affect the whale watching companies there, not to mention the danger of aggressive angry whales retaliating. they do't even eat whale anymore...I'd bet their Japanese amigos get most of it.



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[*] posted on 9-10-2007 at 01:00 PM


Makah whalers? Ought to put 'em on a whale blubber diet till they puke.:no:
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[*] posted on 9-10-2007 at 01:36 PM


"Spiritual" oh, as in "casino"? I get it. Not!:mad:



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[*] posted on 9-12-2007 at 07:14 PM


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Originally posted by Cypress
Makah whalers? Ought to put 'em on a whale blubber diet till they puke.:no:


That's what they want....they love the taste of whale blubber !!!!!!

What I will authorize though, is the use of fifty cal. machine guns on the Makah whalers.

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[*] posted on 9-13-2007 at 12:25 AM


We were just in Neah Bay a week ago and saw a number of Whales feeding very close to shore. We did not know that they were resident of the area and wondered why they were so late in their migration. Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg.. Sad indeed.

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[*] posted on 9-13-2007 at 01:08 PM


there is a big difference between bothering a migrating whale and one that lives in your neighbourhood. the residents there are a very select few and if you pee them off, they will just go to another taco stand.



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[*] posted on 9-13-2007 at 01:23 PM


CaboRon :D Those Makah so called "whalers" have killed a friend.:no:
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