academicanarchist
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PaiPai at Santa Catalina
An archaeology grad student recently contacted me. He is interested in excavating one of the Dominican mission sites, and expressed an interest in
Santa Catalina. I have heard the stories about the PaiPai, and would like to know if they are true, or if people have had good or bad experiences with
them. Thanks.
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Dave
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OK, I'll probably be sorry I asked but what's a PaiPai?
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No Reason to be sorry...
They are the Native Americans who live at the site of Santa Catalina Mission. I have heard that they engage in drug trafficking, and can get rough
with outsiders.
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a piece of the PAI
I read several reports (as back as the 60's) talking about the Paipai living in the palm canyons of the southern end of sierra Juarez. All report say
the same thing: PaiPai are reluctant to outsiders trying to get in this area.
Also, while surfing the net, I recently read an article talking about members of the baja Paipai tribe, traveling to their ancestral land to the
Havasupai reservation near the grand canyon, to meet up with the Supai (PAI descent as well) tribe for a very interesting cultural exchange.
I'll post the URL if I can find it again.
G.
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More pieces of Pai
I have pieces of Pai all around my house. I visited the Pai Pai puebla at Santa Catarina. We purchased a lot of pottery. (very
rustic...we're not talking Mata Oriz quality here). The woman was very amused when I collected a large pile of broken shards from her workshop to
purchase. (to scatter in my "desert" yard.)
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Thanks for the info
Jeans. Thanks for your insights on the PaiPai. I don't know when he name became Santa Catarina, as you noted in your post. It is identified as Santa
Catalina in the records from the 1790s.
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David K
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While the mission is 'Santa Catalina', the village is 'Santa Catarina' (however I think they use the same zip code )
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Pai Pai--not a piece of pie
In doing a little research for my next book I came across this and thought you might ber interested.
PAIPAI
we call ourselves Pajaspuypayem
Number of native speakersPaipai is the name of our language. There are about 500 Paipai-speaking people. Little children still speak it, not learning
Spanish until school age. We have always intermarried with our neighbors the Kiliwa (AKA Kolew),the Ko'al (AKA Tipai), the Kumeyaay (AKA Ipai or
Kamia, Kumiai, Dieguenyo), the Cochimi, the Nyakipa, the Xliy, and the other neighbors. Every family is mixed and in each home several languages have
always been spoken. Pajaspuypayem people cannot marry other Pajspuypayem people.
geographical area
We live in Baja California Norte, (Campo, San Pasqual, Santa Ysabel, Viejas, Cuyapaipe, La Posta, Manzanita, Mesa Grande, Jamul, Inaja-Cosmit, Capitan
Grande, Sycuan, and Barona) is scattered throughout southeastern San Diego county. In addition, there are about 400 members of the Kumiai (Spanish
variant of "Kumeyaay) who live in ejidos or indigenous communities in Baja California such as Juntas de Neji, San Jose de la Zorra, San Antonio Necua,
and La Huerta. These Mexican bands of the Kumeyaay are close relatives of the San Diego Indians and maintain close personal relationships despite the
presence of the international border. Mexico USA
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Steve in Oro Valley
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Hi all:
Ethnologue.com says there are about 300 pai pai speakers (in the area of Valle Trinidad) as of 1990.
This is a great site to find out about the spoken languages of the world .
Many recently extinct languages are listed also.
Steve
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