Bob and jane
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fish tourneys--overkill?
Just heard about the Baja boys fishing tournament in Loreto over the weekend. The boys managed to bring in over 2 tons of yellowtail, mostly from
Catalan. Yup, 2 TONS. Many of the fish had eggs, just weeks away from spawn. So, am I the only one who thinks this is too much!!
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capn.sharky
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Eggs at Easter
4000 lbs of yellowtail does seem somewhat of an overkill....if, in fact, that much was brought in during a tournament. On the other hand, I am sure
that the town of Loreto benefited from the tournament in many ways. Assuming that every fish had eggs in it (were all females) that would amount to
alot of little yellowtail swimming around. However, we must take into consideration that the commercial fishermen of Loreto would have taken many of
these fish over the weeks to come. Also, it is hoped that this fish will end up as table fare thus providing basic nutrition to those families that
like to eat fish.
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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Bob and Susan
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Fourty fisherman
5 fish each
fish weight 20 pounds each
4000 pounds total fish
Doesn't seem too much.
2 tons just sounds like more
The math works....
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Hook
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It's not so much the amt. of fish.....
....as it is the poor timing of the take. In California, we do have seasonal limits on certain species to protect them during the spawn. It just makes
sense for all involved in any aspect of the industry to do this. The result could be more fish in the long run.
It wouldn't be a such bad idea for Mexico to consider this. Dont they already have offseasons for shrimp and lobster to protect their spawns?
Not that they're enforced or anything.......
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Skeet/Loreto
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Hook: If I may be so bold to ask the following Questions:
Have you ever been to Loreto?
Have you direct Knowledge of "Fishing tournments hurting the Fish Count in Loreto?
Do you realize that Mexico is another country and has its on rules and Regulations?
Do you know that American Laws do not Apply in Loreto?
Are you a member of the Sierra Club?
It would help all of us to determine your Level of Knowledge of the Sea Of Corez by answering the above Questions., that way we could better determine
Fact From fiction!!
Skeet/Loreto
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Hook
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Your attitude brings the gloves off!
Hook: If I may be so bold to ask the following Questions:
Have you ever been to Loreto?
Yes, several times. Have fished two Vagabundos tournaments and been on two of their cruises. Fished with Alfredo's, Arturo's and two of my own
vessels. Also once fished Ildefonso from a Mulege area launch. Sorry to disappoint, but no turnip stink here, bud.
Have you direct Knowledge of "Fishing tournments hurting the Fish Count in Loreto?
Now where would that information be located, Skeet? You and I both know that it doesn't exist.
There is probably no "direct knowledge" of the shrimp trawlers affecting the ecology of the SoC. There's probably no "direct knowledge" of inshore
gill nets affecting fishing in an area, either. I suppose they have had no effect, in the absence of "direct knowledge", huh?
There are certain "truths" in this world that can be inferred, without having to be proven directly. If you wake up one morning and there is snow on
the ground, by inference, you can conclude that it probably came from the sky, even though you didnt see it fall.
To my brand of logic, if there are x number of fish in an area carrying eggs and x minus the number of fish taken are left during a spawn, then there
will be a corollary number of yellowtail that now HAVE NO CHANCE TO DEVELOPE. Regardless of how (or if) nature can accommodate this impact, THERE
WILL BE LESS POTENTIAL CHANCE OF FISH DEVELOPING TO MATURITY than if the fish were allowed to spawn. A great opportunity to promote the species may
go by the boards. Nature may still deal the spawn a bad hand afterwards, but the opportunity will already be lost.
This is not liberal or conservative thinking. It is a PART of regulating a fishery to ensure that it is "sustainable." We hook-and-line fishermen
have had to fight this fight for sustainability just to be able to take home a fish or two, EVEN IN THE FACE OF COMPLETE DISREGARD BY COMMERCIAL
FISHING INTERESTS. The fight is not as overt in Mexico as in the States, BUT IT IS A FIGHT THAT MUST BE FOUGHT THERE, TOO, for the sake of the
species, the subsistence fisherman, the panga operator and the average Joe who wants to take a fish or two home with him.
Do you realize that Mexico is another country and has its on rules and Regulations?
I'm not introducing a bill into the Mexican equivalent of Congress, Skeet. Does that mean we can't discuss it on an internationally available
discussion board? I'm simply musing publicly about methods to increase the resource so fishermen like you and me can continue to harvest the
occasional fish. I'd like to retire in Mexico LIKE SOMEONE ELSE I'VE READ ABOUT and be able to catch and eat yellowtail when I'm your age.
Do you know that American Laws do not Apply in Loreto?
No, really. I thought my California fishing license and rules and regs must certainly be valid down there. Aren't they? Pardon my sarcasm, but a
statement like this tells me you have concluded that I am a complete dolt, without even knowing me. This statement exudes unfounded disdain.
Are you a member of the Sierra Club?
Most fishermen I've met are keenly interested in conserving their resource. They dont need to belong to a radical environmental group to support those
ideals. And no, I dont belong. Not to the Sierra Club, the NRDC, the AOC or the Center for Biological Diversity. No donations and no volunteer work. I
eat meat, drive a diesel guzzlin' truck, exercise less than I should and (don't tell anyone) have been known to own and shoot a firearm.
It would help all of us to determine your Level of Knowledge of the Sea Of Corez by answering the above Questions., that way we could better determine
Fact From fiction!!
Have I passed muster enough to give my opinions on a public message board, for chrissakes?
Skeet/Loreto
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Uh, Skeet, do you have any "direct knowledge" of God's existence or, if he does exist, that he can be trusted in matters? I expect you might be
offended by this, but I am simply using your argument on yourself.
Sometimes we mere mortals must draw conclusions about our actions the best we can.
I respectfully acede to your knowledge of many activities in Loreto, by virtue of your years living there. But you and I have been over this ground
once before over at the Amigos Board when you drew conclusions about the health of the SoC from YOUR OBSERVATIONS FROM ONE YEAR, IN ONE AREA (LORETO),
WITH ONE SPECIES. Most regrettable habit, especially when it comes to species that can be both migratory as well as "homeguard" in the same location.
I enjoy your posts for the most part, Skeet, but I think you are wearing blinders when it comes to fishing conditions in Loreto and/or the SoC.
Boy, you've got my dander up now, pal. Sierra Club, indeed! 
Now I REALLY need to go fishing.....Grrrrrrr!!!!
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boyz, boyz boyz.......
can't we all just wet a line??!!     
i am going to be commiting fish murder this summer.......in mulege! that's where all the scared dodos go!
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Skeet/Loreto
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Hook! Very Well Said!
Now I know where you are coming from!
I am very Pleased to see you stand up an be counted. Before your Post I had no Idea of your Experience or Habits, Now I do.I applaud your Words and
hope that other Posters will back up there Words as you Have!
As to God, I am living Proof! i had a very Poor Artrscophy on both Knees January a year ago,resulting in much pain,then in October I had a very Long
Stent to replace a 90% Blockage.
After finally realizibg the Good Lord was trying to get my Attention I redicated my Life to Serving God for the rest of my Life to Pay for the many
times he had saved my Life!
On my recent Trip to La Paz and Back,all pain stoped,I am now back to working as before and Hope to be able to Ski again this Winter!
To me that is a Miracle!
Keep on Truckin and your GrandKids will have Yellow Tail to Catch.
thank You Skeet/Loreto
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Me No
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I hope they didn't throw out the eggs. They make some good eating.
Good posting by Skeet and Hook. Keep it coming gentlemen.
[Edited on 4-16-2004 by Me No]
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fish & international boundaries
great discussion! i just wanted to add another comment for consideration. one major problem facing the global community and the worlds oceans is
that ecological processes do not recognize international boundaries or laws. in this sense i think the argument that 'it's their country, let them do
as they please' does not work. (e.g., the past collapse of the US groundfish fishery off New England). i think we all have a responsibility to share
knowledge and ideas despite our country of origin or bias. it's clear that everyone here cares very much about these issues. by the way, i eat fish
and do not belong to the sierra club
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BajaVida
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Why must some get into the attack mode so quickly?
this is a discussion board, not a verbal boxing ring
just imagine how this discussion could have gone without the personal attacks
No se apure y dure.
Don\'t hurry and you\'ll last longer.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Bajavida;
My Post was not meant as an attack on any Person!
Having had 53 Boxing Matches and winning 50 of them in my Young Life, i have always been "A fighter in Life"
In winning the"New Mexico Golden
Gloves 112lb class in 1947, thereby going to Chicago and fighting in the National Golden Gloves in "Soldiers Field" I learned that you determine you
opponant's weakness after checking out his moves in the first round of a 3 round Fight.
In the second round you apply your Jabs and play on his Weakness, then in the 3rd round you "Put him Away" either by Points or a Knock down.
If applied correctly, you win!
Remembering that there is always someone out there than can Beat you, but if you do not Try your best, Why make the effort at All?
Skeet/Loreto
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BajaVida
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glad no personal attack was intended
it seems that sometimes people get too personal in their posts on some of these Baja boards
I do enjoy reading your posts.
a fan from 60 miles northeast of Dos Palos
[Edited on 4-17-2004 by BajaVida]
No se apure y dure.
Don\'t hurry and you\'ll last longer.
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I'm the one that covered the tournament ...
and the catch that they made over those three days.
Sport fishers do not do the kind of harm that say, a purse seiner would. Seiners are most likely to take Yellowtail during the spawn when these fish
are grouped densely and on the top highly visable.
I don't know where I stand on Mexico instituting some kind of season on certain fish. If it were done, I would back it up and support it. This
coming from someone who fishes Loreto with barbless hooks and no bait and releases what I catch.
The Yellowtail that were filleted during the Baja Boy's tournament were used wisely. The fillets were taken home by those that caught the fish, and
even more fillets were given away to the locals. The fish parts that were given away consisted of fillets, egg sacks, heads and the body meat. In my
daily report (which does not go out to free message boards) I mentioned how generous the Baja Boys were with the locals. Tips, clothing, gear, and
Yellowtail. I rarely see groups like this who are so giving to the local people that are providing them this service.
Fly fishin' Pam
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Skeet/Loreto
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Pam: Excellent Report!Wonder how many Mexicano People had fish for supper after the Tourney?
BajaVida. Youall come on down and set a Spell,chew the Fat, and get aquainted, might just have something other than Baja to Jaw about.
I could use some help with the Goats.
My wife might just might have some Goat Cheese and Hen eggs to Take Home.
I f you don't like Goats, comon down of sunday and Go to church with us. Early Service at 8;30{contemporary Music} 2nd Service at 11;00{ Old time
Hymns}
Mi Case su Casa
Skeet/Loreto
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