LancairDriver
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Americans working in Mexico
The following is an interesting letter that was e-mailed to me.
AMERICAN WORKER IN MEXICO
From the other side of the fence.....
I received the following from (Tom O'Malley) who was a Director with SW BELL in Mexico City.
Hello Bill:
You remember I spent five years working in Mexico.
I worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working Illegally. I was
technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval
During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US passport
that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the same except hers did not permit her to work.
To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies) of my:
1. Birth certificate for Barbara and I.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indication I had no arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good
standing."
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican Citizen with my skills and why my skills were important
to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on Earth" letter. It was fun to write.
All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It
produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish on the right.
Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by a Mexican Attorney touring Mexican Government office locations and being
photographed and fingerprinted at least three times.
At each location and we remember at least four locations we instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to
obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the Governments actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four
thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US
customs in Loredo Texas. This meant we had rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the
company paid.
We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law.
We were required to get a Mexican drivers license.
This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the Licensing agency to come to our Headquarters location with their photography and finger
print equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after
paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction
was never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked.
We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get it back.
We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants did this for
us and we just signed what they prepared. I was about twenty legal size pages annually.
The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees.
Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying we were leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or
liens) before our household goods were released to customs.
It was a real adventure and If any of our Senators or Congressman went through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.
The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their White
house or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and
during most protests the Mexican Military surround the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy.
These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause
a protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas.
Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being hard on illegal immigrants
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rpleger
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OK, Whats the point?
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be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
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comitan
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The point is the man ignored Mexican laws and payed for it and now he's bitter.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
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Gee, have lived and worked in Baja for 12 years. Overall has been pretty simple. Have never paid bribes. Went to Mexico City twice to start and
receive citizenship, no problems. Cannot relate to LanceairDrivers post.
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I think the point is that as a foreigner with no intent to become a resident it's difficut to work as a director of a communications company in Mexico
without being there legally with the proper work permits. And that it is much easier to be an illegal resident in the US without work permits and get
a job as a company director.
Yup sure thing, that's why I'm not at the executive rank, too many illegal immigrants willing to work for $750,000 when I want $1,250,000.
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richard nauman
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Why would SW Bell have a director in Mexico City?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
I think the point is that as a foreigner with no intent to become a resident it's difficut to work as a director of a communications company in Mexico
without being there legally with the proper work permits. And that it is much easier to be an illegal resident in the US without work permits and get
a job as a company director.
Yup sure thing, that's why I'm not at the executive rank, too many illegal immigrants willing to work for $750,000 when I want $1,250,000.
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He could have set up a Mexican Corp and worked as a consultant to himself a lot faster and easier.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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palmeto99
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Sounds like he got off cheap. When I stopped working in Baja and went to a non working FM2 , I was suddenly not a target for the immigration guys
because they could not hold up any of my projects for "bad" paperwork and what not.
Just the cost of doing business in Mexico.
The advice I am about to give you is worth what you are paying for it.
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villadelfin
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The head in the sand fool meant to say that this provocative piece of fiction has been floating around the internet for quite a while, see Snopes.com
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/usimmigrant.asp
and whoever posted it here fits the classic description of an internet troll.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
The following is an interesting letter that was e-mailed to me.
AMERICAN WORKER IN MEXICO
From the other side of the fence.....
I received the following from (Tom O'Malley) who was a Director with SW BELL in Mexico City.
Hello Bill:
You remember I spent five years working in Mexico.
I worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working Illegally. I was
technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval
During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US passport
that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the same except hers did not permit her to work.
To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies) of my:
1. Birth certificate for Barbara and I.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indication I had no arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good
standing."
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican Citizen with my skills and why my skills were important
to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on Earth" letter. It was fun to write.
All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It
produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish on the right.
Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by a Mexican Attorney touring Mexican Government office locations and being
photographed and fingerprinted at least three times.
At each location and we remember at least four locations we instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to
obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the Governments actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four
thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US
customs in Loredo Texas. This meant we had rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the
company paid.
We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law.
We were required to get a Mexican drivers license.
This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the Licensing agency to come to our Headquarters location with their photography and finger
print equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after
paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction
was never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked.
We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get it back.
We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants did this for
us and we just signed what they prepared. I was about twenty legal size pages annually.
The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees.
Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying we were leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or
liens) before our household goods were released to customs.
It was a real adventure and If any of our Senators or Congressman went through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.
The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their White
house or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and
during most protests the Mexican Military surround the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy.
These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause
a protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas.
Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being hard on illegal immigrants |
this is a bunch of ca ca
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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