SUNDOG
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The Great Wall
The Great Wall
http://blip.tv/file/2025880
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rpleger
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Kinda makes you proud to be an American....
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rpleger
Kinda makes you proud to be an American.... |
Couldn't agree more. It brings tears of joy to my eyes when we stand up for ourselves.
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Mulegena
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Did I miss something here?
With respect, would you explain yourselves please?
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David K
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What I see, Mulegena, is that America is so great a place that people will risk their lives and break our laws just to TRY and get here as quickly as
possible... vs. waiting their turn to immigrate legally like our ancestors did.
I wonder how much longer it will be before things reverse and MEXICO will have to stop us from escaping this country as things get worse???
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Baja&Back
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I can just visualize Ronnie Reagen hollering, " Obama, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!".
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Packoderm
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I would be ashamed of building that wall if not having one wouldn't result in unsustainable immigration levels. But that's not the case. If the honor
system worked, that would be fine, but that isn't the case if 42% of Mexico's population would move to the U.S. if it was allowed.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4801941
http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=52
Then the question arises if we should allow unfettered immigration only to Mexican or Hispanics, or if we should we hold the door open wide to
unlimited numbers of immigrants from China, India, Eastern Europe, and Africa? If the number is to be limited, what would that limit be? Could we
absorb .5 billion immigrants? .75 billion? At what point would we be in the same predicament that caused them to feel the need to leave their
countries?
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Bajahowodd
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I'm with you on this, Kate. I just don't know how all you supposed Baja afficionados don't see the big middle finger this wall projects. Many of us
live in what was once Mexico. It was our government that started a war that resulted in "stealing" territory from Mexico. Beyond that, the
Southwestern United States has a long standing and rich cultural heritage with Mexico. I can understand why people in Chicago, Detroit, Memphis and
Atlanta might feel indignant and fearfull about the newly arrived Mexican populace. They never had the symbiotic relationship that we had in the
Southwest. The primary reason the Mexicans (and some Central American immigrants) are in those cities is because the cost of living became so high in
the Southwest that they sought a form of relief. Understanding the fears of folks from those Northern and Eastern locales, doesn't justify the
reaction of those of us in the Southwest who have benefited from the labors of our amigos, have built a bond with them. Alas, given the video, how can
you say that America is so great a place, when it litterally flips the bird at our friends from the South. There are tens of thousands of undocumented
Canadians in our country. They are fair of skin and speak perfect English. There is no razor wire on the northern border, let alone multiple walls.
And finally, I can only think of two other such monsterously fortified borders in the world. One is the Israeli wall around Gaza, and the other, the
wall around the Green zone in Bagdad. We should be so proud.
[Edited on 4-24-2009 by Bajahowodd]
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Mulegena
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Don Humphrey's video compilation is an emotionally moving visual of the desperation of the disparity of life as experienced on either side of the
border, in my opinion.
Yes desperation on both sides of the border, north and south.
Most obvious is the force that compels the Mexican National to risk so much, "bet the farm" so to speak, in order to seek out even a possibility of a
better life for him/herself and family.
It also clearly depicts another aspect of desperation that we US citizens don't wish to think about, probably don't even recognize: that of a country
so covetous of all it has in material goods and wealth that it will go to such primative measures to close itself off from these "invaders from the
south".
The Fence is a disgrace and embarrassment, a testament to the disparity of life experienced on either side of the border, in my opinion.
As to the immigration debate, we'll now, I'm an American Indian; so who's to define the paramaters of legality?
This issue resonates in the hearts and will of so many people on multiple levels. Thanks for posting the video today.
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Bajahowodd
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Mulegena, you've obviously got the cred. Right on!
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fishbuck
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I wish we didn't need a fence but we do. If the very first thing that you do when you enter the country is break the law by violating the border then
I don't want you in my country.
You do not respect my country or laws and you will not follow any laws that you don't like.
So I wish the fence went the entire distance of the US/Mexico border.
When I go to Mexico, I enter at the legitimate border crossing. I follow all the laws. I buy insurance for my car and a fishing license and even have
an FM3.
So if you are from a foreign country and respect and follow our laws we welcome you.
But if you don't want to respect our laws, we don't want you.
The wall is for those who don't respect US law.
[Edited on 4-24-2009 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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