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Try abiding by Mexican law when buying a whopping amount of tranquilizers at farmacias. Duh!
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2004-07-22/feature.htm...
Jul 22, 2004
BY SUSY BUCHANAN
A few steps from the metal turnstile gates that spin you from one country to another, the banter begins.
The narrow calle that visitors are funneled into as they make their way into Mexico is lined with farmacias. Men in white coats stand outside and
shout over one another to everyone who passes: "Pharmacy?! Pharmacy?! Pharmacy?!"
Store windows and walls are plastered with signs for popular drugs such as Soma, Valium or Premarin.
"Lowest prices in town," they assure the steadily flowing crowd. "Se?ora, whatever you want. You want Viagra? I give you free samples," they call to
an Anglo woman who smiles and walks quickly toward the colored blankets and silver bobbles on the corner.
Traditionally, however, most people don't walk away. They're here to buy drugs. Although numbers are uncertain, enough tourists cross the border
looking for "prescription medications" to support an estimated 100 pharmacies in Nogales, Sonora, a town of 200,000 people.
The availability seems a little overwhelming at first, a little like Pinocchio taking his first steps onto Pleasure Island -- before he indulges in
the decadence around him and turns into a burro.
Many gringos come in search of cheaper drugs -- which they need for their medical conditions, and can little afford in Phoenix drugstores.
Prescription drugs just south of the border are often 50 to 70 percent cheaper than in Arizona, and with HMOs refusing to cover certain
pharmaceuticals and brands, many frugal retirees and lower-income patients find treating what ails them more affordable in Nogales.
But an equal number come to Nogales for the drugs they know they can score either on the street or after a quick trip to a doctor who sells them a
prescription for narcotics like Valium or Xanax for about $20.
The river of humanity flows both ways in border towns, and economics drives inhabitants of each side of the international dividing line to look to the
other country for what they cannot get at home.
The recent arrests of Americans purchasing controlled substances in Nogales without bothering to jump through the hoops required by Mexican law have
been big news in Phoenix and Tucson, yet what the press labeled a crackdown is more aptly business as usual for Mexican authorities.
The bottom line is, the laws haven't changed in Mexico.
Despite the mainstream-media-fed scare, the number of Americans incarcerated in Nogales for purchasing controlled medications and related charges is
about 12 (most in their 30s or younger) -- which American consular officials in that city insist is status quo.
So why all the hype?
Much of it is because of Chris Burkhart and his family. Burkhart's 66-year-old stepfather, Ray Lindell, says he didn't know he was breaking the law
when he purchased 270 Valium pills without a required Mexican prescription on May 19. Last week, the Phoenix man was released from an eight-week stay
in a Mexican federal prison where he could have faced a 10- to 25-year sentence.
As for Burkhart, he launched a very public campaign aimed at pressuring the Mexican government to drop the charges against Lindell. He spoke to news
media, senators and congressmen. Members of the Phoenix family spent weekends in Nogales handing out fliers to tourists with information about
Lindell's arrest.
Mexican authorities released Lindell without comment, but it's believed in Nogales, Sonora, that because the publicity cut into the town's economy,
business officials were finally able to pressure police into dropping the matter.
In an interview before Lindell was let go on July 13, Bob Feinman, a member of the Board of Directors of the Nogales, Sonora's Chamber of Commerce,
affirmed that "businesses of all kinds are off because of this issue."
"Some of the information is factual, and other information is quite negative. It doesn't take much to scare people [in the United States] when you
talk about Mexico."
Commerce on the border can be simple and safe, Feinman says, and he emphasizes that it remains so for those whose business in Nogales is legitimate.
But, he explains, "you have to know what the laws are! Lindell did not know what the laws are."
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, Burkhart agrees, although it seemed to be the very excuse that he used to pique the mainstream Arizona media's
interest in his stepfather's case. The story became:
An elderly Phoenix man intent on nothing more than helping his sick, elderly wife went to corrupt Mexico to buy pills -- because her cheapskate
insurance company insisted she get a cheaper generic version that she felt was less effective -- and he was arrested by venal Nogales authorities and
thrown into a jail that makes Sheriff Joe Arpaio's hellish Tent City look like the Phoenician. What a travesty!
But the truth is somewhere south of that notion, though nobody's saying Mexico isn't wildly different from the United States. The fact that it's a
country Americans tend to love for its bargains and lax regulations didn't play into Burkhart's media campaign. And while Lindell went to Mexico
because he could make a Valium purchase that wouldn't be available in the Valley, he apparently didn't bother to find out the Mexican modus operandi
used by countless thousands of others who had done it before him without much of a problem. The comfortable American didn't bother to follow the rules
in another country.
"It's no excuse for Americans not to know the law when they are in Mexico, just as it's not an excuse for Mexicans not to know the law in the U.S.,"
Feinman says. "Two different countries, two different sets of laws."
Ray Lindell's arrest and that of several teenagers last spring -- who were dealing large quantities of Mexican-bought Soma in Valley high schools --
has hurt Nogales' image north of the border.
Pharmacy owners in Nogales are hurting. There are reports that tourists feel safer journeying to Los Algodones, about a three-hour drive from Phoenix,
just south of Yuma, where there may be less heat from Mexican police.
It's true that recent events in Nogales have been good for Algodones street rats like Martin, 26. Nogales is full of young men who latch onto American
tourists and help them find whatever they are looking for. But in Algodones, Martin is one of a hopeful handful of such "tour guides," and he's
banking on the scare in Nogales bringing him more business.
Martin can provide tourists with everything from Soma to marijuana -- 48 kilos of it, he brags, just waiting for a buyer.
On a recent weekday afternoon, he leads a young couple past sidewalk souvenir stands to a back-street pharmacy where no prescription is necessary, no
receipt is given and prices are double the amount imprinted on the box of "Neo-Percodan" -- which, it turns out, is not Percodan but a form of Darvon
in a deceiving package.
Recreational drug users (like Martin's Percodan-seeking clients) have "burned" Nogales, he explains, meaning they have exploited the system to the
point where authorities have been forced to react.
"Too much partying, too many problems. We don't have that here in Algodones," he says, smiling. "Yet!"
Los Algodones (population 5,000) is a swap meet of goods and services, mainly pharmacies, and optical and dental clinics. Most of the nearly two
million tourists a year coming to the town to do business are in their 50s or older, most savvy enough to know the law, and have had less use for
Martin's services than the young people who are starting to arrive.
Nogales is more of a party town, a cleaner, smaller version of Tijuana, where men like Oscar, 32, are part of the economic engine that drives the
bustling place.
Oscar's what is known in Nogales as a "fixer," and, like Martin, he swears he can get "anything you want -- anything!" Most people come to him looking
for narcotics and strippers, usually both.
"Pills and ta ta bars" are Oscar's professed areas of expertise. For each tourist he delivers to a pharmacy, he receives $5. Each strip club customer
nets him $2, and certain restaurants pay him 50 cents for each table of gringos he directs their way.
Dressed in an oversize purple jersey, shorts and spotless running shoes, Oscar's face is somewhat P-nched, his eyes everywhere at once. He's been up
for a few days and looks it, but he's more wired than tired. It appears there's more than just hustle in his bloodstream.
Oscar hails from Ciudad Obregon, an agricultural town in Sonora. He has worn many hats since leaving his home for the north. Today he wears none; his
black hair is buzzed, the left side of his head notable for a large patch of pure white about the size of a baby-jar lid. "A birthmark," he explains.
Later in the day, a dazed man carrying a plastic sack full of discarded soda cans will stop him on the street and tenderly touch the white spot while
closing his eyes and murmuring something under his breath.
"It's a benediction," Oscar says, somewhat shyly. He means that the white in Oscar's hair is a symbol that he has been touched by God. "They think it
is a blessing I am giving them. It happens all the time."
Oscar was a coyote in '92, he says, and brags of a daring run across the border in plain sight of immigration authorities, with him leading a group of
48 migrants at $20 a head. He doesn't do that anymore, he says. He's more of a broker for sex and drugs than a partaker these days. "I don't drink. If
I want to smoke a joint or do a line or two, I do that at home, alone. I don't want any more trouble."
In 1994, Oscar says he worked for Cox Cable in Phoenix and rolls up his sleeve to show a nasty scar over his entire forearm. An accident with a sand
blaster. He was working with false papers at the time, and says even though he had been with the company for six months, he had no medical insurance.
"I talked with many lawyers and wanted to sue, but they said I couldn't because I'm Mexican."
He did some prison time north of the border, was deported and now is happy working the streets. "People want things, and I get them."
And what do the people whom Oscar meets want?
"Everything," he says, as he winks both eyes in quick succession.
Oscar navigates through Nogales quickly, crossing in the middle of the street at times without looking up, jumping off road obstacles with abandon.
The sidewalk merchants he passes are greeted with a handshake or a quick "Que onda 'mano," as Oscar cruises along the narrow sidewalks headed for the
first stop on his "tour."
He turns off Obregon Street to Vasquez and begins to climb, telling a story along the way of an adventure last week.
Oscar met a man from New York and, for a price, helped him find an out-of-the-way hotel where he could hole up and shoot heroin. When they got to the
hostelry, the man asked Oscar to find him a girl. Oscar obliged and returned shortly with the man's date. But the guy didn't answer repeated knocks on
his hotel room door. Oscar was concerned, he says, and opened the door to find the man blue on the floor, not breathing. Oscar says he quickly began
performing CPR, and as soon as the guy was breathing again, he called for help.
And what did he get for his trouble? He says police confronted him a few days later and beat him up, suspecting he had provided the heroin to the New
Yorker. Oscar swears he didn't, quickly wiping his dripping nose. "I saved his life, and for this they kick and punch me?" he asks, holding his hands
up to the sky as if he's expecting an answer.
Oscar stops a moment in front of his sister's house and quickly ducks into an alley, pointing to a cavernous opening about two feet off the street. He
has arrived at the first stop on a tour he's giving. The area around and inside the tunnel entrance is a pungent sea of garbage.
This is one of several ways into underground Nogales, the filthy drainage system that keeps the city from flooding. It's a netherworld highway with
several exits north of the border, most notably in the parking lot of a Church's Chicken in Nogales, Arizona. Oscar will move drugs through these
tunnels for his U.S. clients, he says.
For a tip, and the commission he gets from the pharmacies he works for, Oscar can make getting drugs in Nogales trouble-free -- that is, with no
hassles from Mexican police or customs, he boasts.
"You give me the prescription and the money, and I will fill it for you and meet you somewhere. Or, if you are nervous, I can meet you in a bathroom
and pass it under the stall," he says.
"But if you want, I can buy the pills and meet you right before you cross la linea [the border].
"And if you are really nervous, on the other side. It's easy for me. I am smart, I think about things before they happen. I can walk into one of those
tunnels and come out anywhere. No one can catch me."
In other words, when buying drugs in this border town, wise gringos play the game.
Ray Lindell claims he encountered a young woman on May 19 who offered him one of the same services that Oscar advertises.
Lindell says he was approached at a curio shop by a Mexican woman who wanted to mule the $200 worth of Valium he had just purchased across the border
-- for a fee. He refused the offer, convinced that he had bought the 270 tablets legally.
He hadn't.
Lindell had neglected to obtain a prescription from a Mexican doctor for the controlled substance, and minutes after dismissing the woman, Lindell was
arrested.
He spent the next 56 days in prison. There is no bond for this kind of crime in Mexico, and many arrested on similar charges spend nearly a year in
prison just awaiting trial.
A former electrician at the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station, Lindell is an unlikely criminal.
"Never in my wildest dreams did I think he would be in prison," says Chris Burkhart, his stepson.
Fifteen years ago, Raymond Lindell lost his daughter in an accident at a church camp. Ten years ago, his son was murdered by an acquaintance. The
deaths weighed heavily on his wife, Norma, and resulted in a nervous condition, Lindell explains, which she has been treating with Valium for years.
On January 1, the Lindells' insurance carrier decided it would no longer pay for prescriptions for brand-name Valium, and Norma was convinced that the
generic equivalent was substandard.
Out of pocket, the cost of the premium narcotic was about $600 a month. Which forced Lindell, Burkhart's earnestly told every media outlet that would
listen, to do what lots of senior citizens on limited incomes do.
He started traveling to Mexico to get the medication for his wife. Lindell made his first visit to Nogales and picked up a two-month supply for $120.
Same m.o. as the time he got caught, he says. No problem.
"There's a good reason my mom takes Valium," Burkhart insists. "Since [these tragedies] happened, she's become a recluse. We pretty much take care of
her."
Although Burkhart says he knows generic and brand-name medications are exactly the same, his mother couldn't be convinced. People who take
prescriptions for nervous conditions are often hesitant to switch to a generic equivalent, contends Burkhart, as he begins to tell his stepfather's
story. The Lindells informed their physician they would be going south of the border to purchase the medication, he says, and the doctor wrote her a
prescription for three months' worth of the narcotic.
On May 19, Lindell took his wife's prescription, left his beautiful Moon Valley home and headed south in his gleaming white Cadillac for his second
pharmacy run. He made his way to a pharmacy just across the line, although he couldn't say which one. Lindell could only recall seeing the word
"discount" on the storefront, but most every pharmacy in Nogales advertises discount medicines.
Lindell presented his wife's Arizona prescription and handed over the $200 in cash. He didn't get a receipt for the 270 pills.
Lindell left the pharmacy and walked down the street, pausing at another store to look for a wallet for himself and a necklace for his wife. The young
woman approached him, telling him she knew he had Valium in the bag and that it was illegal for him to carry very much across the border. She offered
to walk it across herself, for $150, and he recoiled.
When Lindell exited the store a short while later, two plainclothes policemen stopped him and asked what was in the bag. They looked inside and
inquired, "Is this for you?"
Lindell, whom his relatives maintain is painfully honest, said no and was arrested and taken to jail. He believes the situation would have been better
for him if he had answered that he was purchasing the narcotic for personal use.
He was charged with illegal possession of drugs, possession with intent to transport and possession of drugs in a quantity for sale.
It was later that night that he was allowed to use the phone and called home with the names of a few Mexican attorneys he had been told about.
This was Wednesday night, and he informed his family that he wouldn't be allowed by police to see them until Saturday, at which time Burkhart traveled
to Nogales to meet the lawyer he had hired over the phone and paid a $2,500 retainer for Lindell's defense.
Lindell's arraignment was set for the following Monday, and the attorney made a flurry of requests. He wanted medical records that would document
Norma Lindell's nervous condition, a letter from her doctor, even a marriage certificate. It was all to be presented to the court on Monday.
Burkhart says he scrambled to put the records together that weekend, but was informed in court on Monday that it was too late to present such
information and that Lindell would be formally charged on Thursday.
At that time, a judge threw out the two counts of possession of narcotics and possession with intent to sell, but kept the count of possession with
intent to transport across an international border. Lindell was given a choice: either accept the charge and wait one to two years for a trial, or
appeal. The latter could take two to three months for a court to consider, at which point Lindell would be allowed to present the evidence the judge
refused to hear at his arraignment.
Naturally, Lindell appealed.
At first, Lindell had slept on the floor of his jail cell using his shoes as a pillow. The family soon found out they could bring him supplies, went
to Wal-Mart on the American side of the border and bought food, a sleeping bag, a cot and some stomach medication, since Lindell had become ill from
eating prison food.
"He had been incarcerated with the general population for four days," Burkhart says, "until we learned we could move him into a better area for $600
-- that is, a pod where he has room to set up his cot in a hallway."
Each Saturday, Lindell's family visited him, bringing supplies, money and mousetraps to keep rodents away from his small cache of victuals.
Lindell slowly learned the system.
"The inmates have to buy their own water, and they have to pay the guards $2 for phone access," says Burkhart. "Everything down there has to do with
money. When he [went] out in the general population, he'd be the American, the new guy, and they knew he had money, at least $2 for the phone. He'd
get swamped by people begging. When we'd go to visit -- these are cattle stalls with bars -- there was so much noise and confusion we barely [could]
hear him."
Although Lindell's situation drew the attention of Sonora's governor Eduardo Bours, it originally stirred little reaction from the offices of
government officials in Arizona, whose aides told Lindell's family that their hands were tied. The bottom line: A U.S. citizen buying drugs illegally
in Mexico is on his own.
"What I want to ask them is if this was their father, would he still be in jail?" Burkhart fumes. "I don't think so. Why are they targeting a senior
citizen with a valid prescription?"
When Burkhart brings up this "valid prescription" argument -- and he does it often -- he fails to mention that Lindell never got the necessary Mexican
prescription. Which, it turns out, is why the pharmacy charged him almost twice what legally purchased Valium would cost in Mexico.
Burkhart, who's vacationed in Mexico frequently but apparently never fully realized he was in a foreign country with its own way of doing things, says
the experience has soured him on America's southern neighbor for good.
"Even when you are going down there to have a good time, it's still stressful," he now says. "You get back across the border, and there's a sense of
getting away with it. I used to go down there scuba diving and fishing, but no more. There are too many things in this country I haven't seen. If I
want to scuba, I'll go to Hawaii; if I want to go fishing, I'll go to Alaska.
"Down there," he says, bitterly, "you never know if you are doing something wrong."
If Lindell had done just a little research, he would have known exactly what he was doing wrong. Warnings about the dangers of purchasing prescription
drugs in Mexico abound.
Auto insurance companies such as Mexadventure caution that "just as in the U.S., the purchase of controlled medication requires a doctor's
prescription."
The U.S. Department of State says, "Americans who commit illegal acts have no special privileges and are subject to full prosecution under the Mexican
judicial system. Penalties for breaking the law can be more severe than in the United States for similar offenses. Persons violating Mexico's laws,
even unknowingly, may be expelled, arrested or imprisoned."
The U.S. Embassy in Nogales advises citizens not to go to Mexico solely to purchase prescription drugs. Its officials say the quality of medications
cannot be verified, and purchasing narcotics and other controlled substances puts American citizens at risk while south of the border.
The People's Guide to Mexico's David Eidell has written extensively on buying prescription drugs in Mexico. First and foremost, he says, Americans
must realize that "Mexico is a stable, regulated Republic with established rules and laws regulating drug manufacturing, distribution and sales."
But compliance with Mexican law while in Mexico was the last thing on Lindell's mind. He thought the U.S. prescription he claimed to possess and the
money in his pocket was enough while in the Mexican border town. What he was really worried about, he states, was getting his wife's stash past U.S.
Customs agents on his return to Arizona. Meyer, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, says American citizens are permitted to enter the
country with a three-month supply of prescription medication, provided they declare it at the border and have a valid U.S. prescription.
Days after his release, Lindell is recovering from his experience. On a recent weekday morning, he sits comfortably on a luxurious white sofa in the
living room of his 3,600-square-foot, $278,000 Moon Valley home. The walls are covered with grand oil paintings, some bought, some the work of his
wife. Original Hummel figurines perch on antique end tables as the morning sunshine filters through elaborate stained-glass windows.
The surroundings are quite a change from the cot he called home for the past eight weeks, and undercut his media portrayal as an impoverished senior.
While her husband's busy talking about his time in prison, Norma Lindell putters around the kitchen area murmuring to the couple's two bouncing
Yorkshire terriers. Although she's only a few yards away from where Lindell sits, he says she's indisposed and unavailable for interviews.
Protectively, he says, the ordeal has taken its toll on her already fragile nerves. While her husband was in the slammer in Mexico, she was forced to
buy her drugs at a local pharmacy.
Lindell bristles at some of the remarks made by Nogales Police Chief Ramses Arce Fierro. "He must be quite a medical doctor," Lindell says. He's
particularly annoyed at Arce's comment to a reporter that his wife must be taking a gargantuan dose of the narcotic to justify Lindell's large
purchase.
"She's got several problems," Lindell explains. "She has problems with her feet, she lost a husband in a plane crash, there have been some traumatic
experiences in our lives. She's been under the care of our family doctor for 20 years, and the doctor knows whether she should be taking [Valium] or
not."
Lindell delivers the same message that he delivered to the media before his release. "I want to get the news out. I want senior citizens not to have
the kind of problems I had." He says that no one should go pill-shopping in Mexico because it's "too risky with the amount of corruption they have to
deal with."
What's corrupt, in Lindell's estimation, is that police focus more on the buyer of illegal drugs than the seller. He skirts the fact that if he had
gotten a Mexican prescription, even the large amount of Valium he purchased wouldn't have been illegal in Mexico.
Lindell says his wife is prescribed three 10-milligram pills a day. That means that if he were bringing in a month's supply of 270 pills for her, she
would have to be taking three 10-milligram pills a day.
Lindell goes on, "If a teen or senior is arrested buying pills off the street, then they should be arrested. If a person walks into a pharmacy with a
prescription and the pharmacy sells it to him, the police chief should be busting the pharmacy."
He is, of course, referring to his U.S. prescription.
Lindell wonders how he got away with his "crime" in March and not in May. "The first time [purchasing Valium] I was not arrested," he says, contending
his protocol was the same. "The second time I was. They're not enforcing the laws."
Ed Schwer has worked with various U.S. law enforcement agencies for 14 years. He is currently on disability. In his mid-30s, Schwer has been a
customer of Mexican pharmacies, as well as an investigator of cases involving drug purchases in Mexico. Schwer buys antibiotics and thyroid medication
in Mexico for his wife regularly. When you live close to the border, it's the thing everybody does because, if you know what you're doing, it's easier
and cheaper.
"I've never had a single problem in 20-plus years," he says.
Based on the cases he's worked, Schwer says, people tend to have problems when they buy large quantities of drugs like muscle relaxants.
Schwer says that over the past few months, coinciding with the publicity over Lindell's arrest, people are expressing more caution about buying
prescription drugs in Mexico.
He says many Americans demonstrate a lot of "attitude" when they go south to buy controlled substances.
"Some Americans behave as if [Mexicans] should be thankful they are there spending money," Schwer says. "If they break the law, they expect Mexicans
to look the other way."
Or be convinced to do so for a few pesos.
Schwer says Mexican law enforcement has changed since the late '80s and early '90s when it was common to buy your way out of small offenses through a
bribe, or mordida. "Law enforcement down there is more professional, there's an eagerness now [to stay on the straight and narrow]. They are paid
more, trained better and taking more pride in their jobs."
Americans should not be critical of a country for enforcing its own laws, he stresses. Imagine how little sympathy authorities would have for a
Mexican if he did not follow U.S. law and was discovered with the amount of narcotics that Lindell possessed.
A U.S. citizen should know that he's committing a crime in Mexico, Schwer says, when he obtains "medication that he reasonably should know is a
controlled substance in the U.S." without a Mexican prescription.
Even though Burkhart and the mainstream media tried to garner sympathy for Lindell because of his age, Schwer says age has nothing to do with guilt or
innocence in the United States or Mexico.
"It's ridiculous to bring that up," he says. "It doesn't matter how old he is. Lindell broke the law when it would have been easy and inexpensive to
get a prescription from a Mexican doctor."
Lindell got himself jailed for nearly two months, Schwer says, over "a matter of $20."
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Interesting article that contains a quote by David Eidell !
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David Eidell
The David Eidell article is excellent and explains the law in full. Should be a must read for people needing lower cost drugs. I can't even imagine
what it must have been like for the old gentleman. We have to keep in mind that Mexican laws have to be obeyed, just like at home. Ain't life hell?
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Here's Mr. Eidell at my first Viva Baja party: http://vivabaja.com/vivabaja/page6.html (bottom of page)
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Gringos
and their drug habits hahahahahahahaha
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For what it's worth... valium and xanax are not narcotics and Soma is sold over-the-counter at Costco.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Natalie Ann
For what it's worth... valium and xanax are not narcotics and Soma is sold over-the-counter at Costco. |
Both valium and xanax are highly addictive and valium can certainly produce narcosis, the classical definition of a narcotic.
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Whatever they are classified here in Mexico is what's important. They both require prescriptions by Mexican Dr's. For restricted drugs, a US
prescription doesn't work. It may get the Mexican Dr to write one tho.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Natalie Ann
For what it's worth... valium and xanax are not narcotics and Soma is sold over-the-counter at Costco. |
Both valium and xanax are highly addictive and valium can certainly produce narcosis, the classical definition of a narcotic. |
Nope, not the definition of a narcotic. Taking too much (overdosing) on many medications, including several common over the counter products, can
produce narcosis but that's not what defines a narcotic.
Narcotic: Pharmacology> An agent that produces insensibility or stupor, applied especially to the opiods. Also to any natural or synthetic drug that
has MORPHINE-like actions to reduce pain.
Diazepam/Valium:
A prescription drug used as a sedative, muscle relaxant and antianxiety medication. Also used to treat some muscle spasms.
Alprazolam/Xanax:
An anti-anxiety agent in the benzodiazepine family. Used primarily for short-term relief of anxiety and nervous tension. May help some cancers IF
GIVEN WITH NARCOTICS.
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So.... anyone know how to get a list of drugs that require a Mexican perscription? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Natalie Ann
Nope, not the definition of a narcotic.
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Nope, sorry:
From Dorland's Medical Dictionary:
Narcotic. [Gr. benumbing, deadening].
1. Pertaining to or producing narcosis. 2. An agent that produces insensibility or stupor.
Lay-folk generally associate narcotics with opiates, and certainly all opiates are narcotic however the accepted medical definition is the above.
{I ain't no medical professional but my wife is and she toldt me what to write}
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Natalie Ann
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Well, Dave, guess we must both be correct - somehow. My definitions also came from medical dictionaries. I worked for a well-respected psychiatrist
for 10 years and just checked in with him, he says most heavy-duty painkillers are classified as narcotics and that this does not include anti-anxiety
meds such as those named.
In regards to how they're classified in Mexico, I'm uncertain. I do know folks who have purchased in Mexico drugs which require a triplicate
prescription in the U.S. (these are definitely narcotics). Although one does need a prescription from a Mexican doctor, they said it was not
difficult to get - apparently much more so than in the states. One friend was able to get oxycontin without any prescription from a pharmacy just
across the border. This seems very odd to me.
In Yuma last March, while waiting for our plane to be cleared, the desk official asked several times if we'd bought any prescription medication in
Baja. He even warned us to be sure to tell him as they'd be found and then we'd be in big trouble. I just smiled and pointed out that I get free
medication from Kaiser and would be a fool to fly to Mexico and pay for it. Showed him prescription bottles and then he relaxed. However, in the
office there was a large stack of written warnings stating that if any Mexican prescription medication was found, it would immediately be confiscated.
The Yuma officials seemed to be taking this seriously.
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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Dave
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I guess you and the wife have alot in common. She's a psychiatric nurse.
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jrbaja
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Ahh, Dave's Nueva York Deli
isn't just for Pastramis anymore 
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JESSE
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The funny thing is, all americans that get caught cry foul and claim innocence and ignorance of the law to get off, and they do get off for the most
part.
What are the odds that all of them are innocent god fearing law abiding folk?
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bajalou
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Jessie - you sure got that right.
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I would be surprised if Mr. Lindell was not aware of the law in Mexico. It would be a pretty safe bet that he chose to ignore Mexican rules and
regulations. Mr. Lindell stated that no one should go pill-shopping in Mexico because it's "too risky with the amount of corruption they have to
deal with."
Mr. Lindell, you were arrested because you broke the law, not because of corruption. You chose to take a chance, whether or not you knew what the
rules were, you should have and probably are aware that a move like that was subject to some Mexican government regulation. Either you ignored them
or you were truly not aware of them, but you are still responsible for your actions. And fortunately for the American public, since this happened in
Mexico, you probably cannot sue anyone for your actions and consequences.
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