David K
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1768 Mexico Map with Baja close ups
Thanks to fellow history buff and Baja Nomad 'elbeau', here is an interesting find... The Baja data incorporates a lot from the 1757 Venegas map, plus
adds new data and new missions (Santa Gertrudis, San Borja and Santa Maria), but missing the word Mission in front of the names... Laguna Chapala
(named in 1766 during the Linck expedition) is shown as a large lake.
Thanks again 'elbeau'!
Very cool! The mission that was shown started on the 1757 map 'S.M. Magdalena' is shown above less the S.M., as is 'Dolores del Norte' which was an
early name for Santa Gertrudis, shown above, north of Dolores del Norte. What fun and no wonder there was stories of a lost Dolores del Norte mission.
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Great stuff, David.
My Mom and Aunt actually saw Laguna Chapala as a "large lake" back in the very early '60's (I think--maybe late '50s) on their adventure driving to
Cabo in a International Carry-all 4x4. They had a time of it getting around the "lake".
Barry
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Great stuff, David.
My Mom and Aunt actually saw Laguna Chapala as a "large lake" back in the very early '60's (I think--maybe late '50s) on their adventure driving to
Cabo in a International Carry-all 4x4. They had a time of it getting around the "lake".
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In May, 2010... BajaTripper photographed Laguna Chapala in such a state:
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I guess the 200 years too late part of me is what makes me appreciate these old maps. Thank you David (and elbeau) for posting these.
Here's an idea for you David , get permission to reprint and make a chronological compilation of all the old maps in one booklet. It's interesting to
see the changes in the perception of the peninsula as time goes by.
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David K
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Old maps are great...
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Bob H
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These old maps are great David. It amazes me how the names of things change over time.
Golfo de California o Mar Roxo de Cortes
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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I wonder if these map makers could imagine that someday there would be satellites in space beaming us maps of the Earth!!!???
Thanks for posting these David.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
I wonder if these map makers could imagine that someday there would be satellites in space beaming us maps of the Earth!!!??? |
I doubt it... here are some old technology predictions...
This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us.
Western Union memo, 1876
The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.
Sir William Preece, British Post Office.
Space travel is utter bilge.
Richard van der Riet Woolley, British Astronomer Royal, 1956
Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible.
Lord Kelvin (William Thomson), 1895
Radio has no future.
Lord Kelvin (William Thomson), 1897
There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement.
Lord Kelvin (William Thomson), 1900
X-rays are a hoax.
Lord Kelvin (William Thomson), 1900
Everything that can be invented has been invented.
Attributed to Charles H. Duell, Commissioner of the U.S. Patent Office, 1899, but thought to be an urban legend.
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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David K
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Good stuff Bob... 
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David,
can you please post the 1768 images from a sharp scan?
Harald Pietschmann
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David K
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Here is the zoomable 1768 map, new since my 2013 post (above):
https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/31332rg/nuevo-mapa-g...
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Cedros actually appears three times on this map. Once as Cenisas (Taraval), once as Cedros (Vizcaino), and once as "the island described by Consag".
[Edited on 8-9-2020 by Juan N.]
[Edited on 8-10-2020 by Juan N.]
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David K
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I have just added the 1768 map to www.vivabaja.com to join the others already linked there....
Baja California, Mexico 'Zoom-In' Topo & Satellite Map
1747 Padre Fernando Consag 'Zoom-In' Map
1757 Jesuit Mission 'Zoom-In' Map
1768 Baja and Mexico 'Zoom-In' Map
1905-1906 E.W. Nelson Expedition 'Zoom-In' Map (printed in 1919)
1918 Goldbaum Baja Norte 'Zoom-In' Map (printed in 1925)
1962 Baja road maps by Howard Gulick (thanks to Doug Eernisse)
1971 Reconnaissance Geologic Map of Baja Norte (3 parts):
>>> Northern Baja Norte
>>> Central Baja Norte
>>> Southern Baja Norte
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When was the last map that showed Baja as an island?
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Just looked at the antique map website and I see one from 1720. There could be others, naturally. California was shown as a peninsula in the 1500s, as
well.
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Here's the 1768 map image from raremaps.com as a single image:
baja-1768.jpg
-- Geoff
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  |
Just looked at the antique map website and I see one from 1720. There could be others, naturally. California was shown as a peninsula in the 1500s, as
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California is still a "peninsula"-------slowly drifting away from the USA to become an island. I know because I live here, and wondering how to get
out or off.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Just looked at the antique map website and I see one from 1720. There could be others, naturally. California was shown as a peninsula in the 1500s, as
well. |
California is still a "peninsula"-------slowly drifting away from the USA to become an island. I know because I live here, and wondering how to get
out or off. |
You still have a little time where you are in Redding, but Sacramento is only 26 feet above sea level!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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