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Pompano can you recommend a good goose gun for KS shooting? I always thought one used something besides 12 GA or is it all about the shell capability
like 3" or so??
I don't know if my LC Smith 12 GA can hold bigger than 2.75 " shells, but it is a dbl B.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
Pompano can you recommend a good goose gun for KS shooting? I always thought one used something besides 12 GA or is it all about the shell capability
like 3" or so??
I don't know if my LC Smith 12 GA can hold bigger than 2.75 " shells, but it is a dbl B. |
Mike, a lot depends on what type of shooting you will be doing.
Shooting geese from a decoy set means that your shots will most likely (and should be) within 35 yards. A good shotgun choice would be a 12ga. with
either regular or 3" shells with #1 steel shot...you can go to larger BB type loads but it's not necessary. Steel shot penetrates quicker and deeper
than the old lead shot. It's up to you what type shotgun. I prefer my over/under Browning. (Only 2 shots, but why get the limit so soon, anyway?) A
lot of hunters prefer pumps or autos...with a 3 shot maximum.
For pass shooting, the birds will be quite a bit further away. Use the heavier loads in 3 in. mag. You'll be leading the target by a few
lengths...needs a little practice.
Good luck out there...and Good Hunting.
p.s. that LC Smith double barrel should say on the barrel about shell size. If in doubt use the shorter shotshells. Sounds like you'll be decoying
and you won't need the 3" anyway. In the deeks, let them come in..and put your front bead on the bird's beak...and follow through as you shoot.
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You cant shoot steel through that elsie...NO NO.....It will likely have 2 3/4 inch chambers, few had 3 inch...but NO STEEL it will ruin the chokes....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
You cant shoot steel through that elsie...NO NO.....It will likely have 2 3/4 inch chambers, few had 3 inch...but NO STEEL it will ruin the chokes....
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Whatever shotgun you use, Mike...it is illegal to shoot any lead shot these days. NO LEAD SHOT ALLOWED FOR WATERFOWL SINCE THE LATE '70'S. You
cannot even be in possession of lead shot while hunting waterfowl.
If you are against using the new steel shot, then try bismuth or tungsten...but both have problems and are rather expensive. Remember, lead shot is
illegal for waterfowl hunting. Always check the state regs to see if lead shot is allowed for upland game.
Mike, your short hunt with newly designed steel shot shells will not ruin the chokes. The problem of steel shot scratching shotgun bores was solved
by using thicker shot cups that cushioned the shot and acted as a barrier between the shot column and barrel wall. Damage to chokes was likewise
either reduced or eliminated by using thicker shot cups, plus gunmakers were now tempering new screw-in chokes specifically for steel shot. It's up
to you.
I'm been shooting my expensive Browning O/U's in 12 and 20 ga. with steel for many years now, since 1979. The screw-in chokes are still good...or
they must be...
..as I save wear and tear by only shooting one shell per bird, but maybe that's just me. 
This Saskatchewan hunting photo shows me with a daily limit of 5 honkers....5 shots total. (Plus some snow geese, which were a bonus.) I did that for
all 3 consecutive days that I was at my Canadian friend's farm. Not bragging, as the huge honkers are like shooting at barn doors coming into your
decoys. We hunted harvested pea fields...an excellent goose feed. All steel shot up there, too, by the way.
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yeah, as a long time KS hunter I am all familiar with prohibited lead shot near water. My cousins from Great Bend who are all pro level geese shooters
have blinds but mainly shoot on the pass. So they like the colder windy days when the birds in migration stay lower. but they all learned how to lead
and limit every weekend morning they go. they own purpose guns for geese but sitting here in AZ now I can't say which ones they have. Out in Barton
county waterfowl sporting is like almost a religion. Since I grew up on pheasant and quail we walked fields with dogs and blockers. My dad didn't like
sitting around a blind.
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Steel shot in that old elsie WILL wreck your chokes....but, it's your gun...do what you want ............
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Steel shot in that old elsie WILL wreck your chokes....but, it's your gun...do what you want ............
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Steel shot in that old elsie WILL wreck your chokes....but, it's your gun...do what you want ............ |
Well, Mike and chuckie, I was brought up around guns of every type and have shot firearms of all kinds. Like all things in life experiences, you will
have your opinion and I will have mine.
But I have a love affair with guns, so let's keep talking. In my gun collection, which is embarrassingly considerable after 5 decades, I have an LC
Smith, an Ithaca, a Fox, a Matador (10 gauge), a prized Parker Vulcan and more...all side by sides in 10-12-16-20 gauges. I don't shoot any of these
doubles anymore as they are purely collectables for me.
After years of seeing out of both eyes and having gotten used to having five fully functioning fingers on each hand, I have adopted a
rather-safe-than-sorry attitude. As a general rule, I no longer fire any double made before WWII. I have one exception to this rule and it is my
French Darne in 16 gauge which is double-proofed and stronger than anything similar made in the USA. Quite sweet to carry after ruffed grouse and
pheasant.
Any double in fine condition is safe to shoot only with the loads for which the gun was built. Remember, you can't replace the sight lost from a
damaged eye, so only shoot those guns and loads that were meant to be used together! I know dozens of hunters who are using their older and favorite
shotguns with new steel loads. They are knowledgeable, of course, and will have checked the barrels first.
For instance, an old Parker 12-gauge shotgun I have is in excellent condition, and if I ever were to shoot it, I would shoot only black-powder loads
in its Damascus barrels. But I will never shoot it.
The most correct response I can think of for you is ....Let your gunsmith in Arizona look over the gun. I know there are plenty in the Mesa
area. If he tells you it's safe to shoot then you can shoot it. NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT, BUT THE BEST RESPONSE HERE! Not every gunsmith has all the
knowledge required to insure your safety. But among the things a gunsmith will do is measure your chambers for length and diameter to see if they are
still factory standard.
Hah...now maybe all this has got you into thinking of a brand new shotgun? But take heart, you really don't need one. And don't let the gunsmith
talk you into one...in case he's a seller. Use the double with the correct legal loads... and have a good hunt.
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