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SFandH
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CSU is being bought off, used as a marketing gimmick:
"In other Jimmy [Jim R. Mulvihill, founder of Black Creek Group, Realty] news, he’s very keen to fundraiser for us, and to mobilize his networks to
fundraiser for us. We need to think in terms of a big ask for an endowment… Jimmy will personally give the seed money. Just another thing for us to
figure out when we’re in Todos!…OK, back to board meeting.”
Amy Parsons
Vice President for Colorado State University Operations, Salary, $190,000+yr
http://truthsantosbaja.com/
Also, watch the video of a local resident speaking at the bottom of the page.
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CSU is being bought off, used as a marketing gimmick:
"In other Jimmy [Jim R. Mulvihill, founder of Black Creek Group, Realty] news, he’s very keen to fundraiser for us, and to mobilize his networks to
fundraiser for us. We need to think in terms of a big ask for an endowment… Jimmy will personally give the seed money. Just another thing for us to
figure out when we’re in Todos!…OK, back to board meeting.”
Amy Parsons
Vice President for Colorado State University Operations, Salary, $190,000+yr
http://truthsantosbaja.com/
Also, watch the video of a local resident speaking at the bottom of the page. |
don't understand the quote. I see who said it but where?
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rts551
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What CSU has to say.
http://todossantos.colostate.edu/
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rts551
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Not a bad overview of all sides.
http://www.collegian.com/2014/06/csus-todos-santos-center-cr...
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One thing to remember is that most of the opposition to this project is from gringos, I have heard very few native Santeños say anything negative
about this project. It seems that most of the locals that I know are looking forward to the jobs it will bring to the area. This is in stark contrast
to the Los Cardones mine project which enjoys close to 100% local opposition. I don't know if the project will ultimately be good for the area or not,
but there is a lot of nonsense being spewed by some of the detractors, like the statement that the developers "stole" the pangeros' beach. That was
private property and never belonged to the fishing coop, who is still launching their boats in the same place they always have.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Tres Santos actually sells a small fraction of its intended footprint, enough to keep some local workers
gainfully employed, but not enough to convince MIRA to keep on building. I just don't see enough of the type of people who would like a development
like Tres Santos coming to Todos Santos. Conversely, the type of person looking to settle in Todos Santos, myself included, is probably not likely
looking for something like Tres Santos.
[Edited on 10-3-2015 by pauldavidmena]
[Edited on 10-3-2015 by pauldavidmena]
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by monoloco | | One thing to remember is that most of the opposition to this project is from gringos, I have heard very few native Santeños say anything negative
about this project. It seems that most of the locals that I know are looking forward to the jobs it will bring to the area. This is in stark contrast
to the Los Cardones mine project which enjoys close to 100% local opposition. I don't know if the project will ultimately be good for the area or not,
but there is a lot of nonsense being spewed by some of the detractors, like the statement that the developers "stole" the pangeros' beach. That was
private property and never belonged to the fishing coop, who is still launching their boats in the same place they always have.
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AMEN. They went to the Donald Trump school of protest. (and I do not think it is sustainable).
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SFandH
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That depends upon your definition of good. If you're looking for property price appreciation, more people, more tourists, more money, more jobs
catering to the tourist trade, Hard Rock Cafe, etc. etc., it's a great idea.
Are they building time shares?
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Not that I've heard of. Another thing to remember is that 99% of the water
in this area is used for agriculture, most of it highly unsustainable and reliant on massive quantities of toxic chemicals. Why aren't these people
protesting that? It's a much greater threat to the area than Tres Santos.
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Protest? or the dump that has been closed for a month.
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That made for some interesting reading and videos on those links. What they have already done to the beach and mangroves seems criminal. Desal plant.
Where have we heard that line before. 
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"I just don't see enough of the type of people who would like a development like Tres Santos coming to Todos Santos."
Seems they're envisioning 30-somethings with children - the Whole Foods crowd. Doesn't make sense to think that there are 4,000 retirees with that
kind of money who want to turn their backs on family, life-long friends and the lives they've created. Yoga and bicycling - makes me LOL.
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| Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena | "I just don't see enough of the type of people who would like a development like Tres Santos coming to Todos Santos."
| Quote: Originally posted by wilderone |
Seems they're envisioning 30-somethings with children - the Whole Foods crowd. Doesn't make sense to think that there are 4,000 retirees with that
kind of money who want to turn their backs on family, life-long friends and the lives they've created. Yoga and bicycling - makes me LOL.
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Exactly - millennials don't have the kind of money Tres Santos is asking for what is essentially retirement housing. Do adults of retirement age want
to live in this kind of development? Not this one.
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What makes you think not? We (retirees) come in all shapes and sizes, as do workers. Although I regret seeing growth in TS, especially hotels on the
beach, especially on the only beach used by the local fishermen, the architectural drawings on the website for the residences look pretty nice. A
townhouse/condo that you can lock up and forget about during the hot months and not worry about hurricanes or thieves, and then return to in the late
fall/winter and not have to break out a machete to cut back the summer's growth would be OK with me.
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Don't have a dog in this fight. Well heeled Boomers are retiring and have money. Tres Santos will sell itself. I've fished this beach
weekly for years -- from the South end North to La Poza -- I could live there easily -- don't see investing that much money without a track record and
history.
Honestly, if you don't know this beach, you don't know. It is a very special place.
Rancho Pescadero has done well from Day 1.
http://ranchopescadero.com
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F*ck it.
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Do you think this will put an end to the local panga fleet or will they still be able to operate out of Punta Lobos?
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Do you think this will put an end to the local panga fleet or will they still be able to operate out of Punta Lobos? |
As I understand it the beach has been private for a very long time. The pangas have only had authority to operate on a very small portion of the
beach. I can remember camping on that beach 30 years ago with no pangas on it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Do you think this will put an end to the local panga fleet or will they still be able to operate out of Punta Lobos? |
They are still using the beach as they always have, Tres Santos has actually built them a covered facility on the beach for cleaning
their fish. I'm guessing that they will probably benefit from having a resort there, considering that the area is pretty much fished out of everything
but pelagic species like dorado and striped marlin that are technically illegal for them to catch, many of them will probably be able to make a better
living by switching to sport fishing and whale watching charters.
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The Tres Santos development is here to stay and as most big developments has both lovers and haters. Similar to many of the beautiful beaches in Cabo,
if you are a purist or in to nostalgia, you can write this beach off now.
There is no beauty or charm or magic left on the south end of the beach.
The fishing co-op who have a concession to work here are not doing things just as they always have been. They are working in a severely reduced space
and different environmental conditions than ever before due to the introduction of a large sea wall or retaining wall and massive amounts of rocks and
boulders which are now being scattered along the shore.
These type of developments attract a different type of 2nd home buyer than TS is used to seeing. Most buyers here are a little more casual, eclectic,
artsy, alternative, etc.
But that is changing and it is possible with a big, organized, gated development, that these new buyers may actually show up and but homes that are
priced much higher that the currently available inventory.
Only time will tell.
The local realtors (myself included) stand only to benefit from a new influx of buyers and I have had a few clients go through the Tres Santos sales
pitch then buy through me after realizing the value they can get with current inventory, no HOA fees, move in ready homes. Having said that some
realtors do not want the change associated with a big development and are thus strongly opposed to it. Others are struggling to make a living and
welcome potential new buyers.
Like a gushing arroyo that has not flowed in 50 years, it is interesting to watch the change but sad to see a beach permanently changed by man's hand
and a community somewhat divided by it all.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BFS | The Tres Santos development is here to stay and as most big developments has both lovers and haters. Similar to many of the beautiful beaches in Cabo,
if you are a purist or in to nostalgia, you can write this beach off now.
There is no beauty or charm or magic left on the south end of the beach.
The fishing co-op who have a concession to work here are not doing things just as they always have been. They are working in a severely reduced space
and different environmental conditions than ever before due to the introduction of a large sea wall or retaining wall and massive amounts of rocks and
boulders which are now being scattered along the shore.
These type of developments attract a different type of 2nd home buyer than TS is used to seeing. Most buyers here are a little more casual, eclectic,
artsy, alternative, etc.
But that is changing and it is possible with a big, organized, gated development, that these new buyers may actually show up and but homes that are
priced much higher that the currently available inventory.
Only time will tell.
The local realtors (myself included) stand only to benefit from a new influx of buyers and I have had a few clients go through the Tres Santos sales
pitch then buy through me after realizing the value they can get with current inventory, no HOA fees, move in ready homes. Having said that some
realtors do not want the change associated with a big development and are thus strongly opposed to it. Others are struggling to make a living and
welcome potential new buyers.
Like a gushing arroyo that has not flowed in 50 years, it is interesting to watch the change but sad to see a beach permanently changed by man's hand
and a community somewhat divided by it all.
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All the beaches on the north side of points have been washed away due to the track of storms moving up the
outside for the last two summers, this has been exacerbated by the lack of the prevailing NW winds to wash the sand back during the winter and spring
months. Normally, there is over 100 meters of beach in front of the Tres Santos development and the launching area for the cooperativo. It's not Tres
Santos fault that the beach has eroded, but the seawall and rocks that they have dumped have made the situation worse for the pangeros. the rocks have
washed down into the launch area causing damage to motors and boats when they attempt to land on the beach. The beach will return when weather
patterns return to normal, but in the meantime it's the fishermen who will be affected.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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