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rts551
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Winner?? You'd have to be dead and buried in the ground to not know that. Why you think it's an enlighten comment that deserves such excitement,
well, that escapes me.
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I don't think anyone is telling anyone else what to fear...But it is downright stupid not to know what is going on at your destination.
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Yesterday there were 3 targeted executions attempts in Cabo and an attempted mutiny of prisoners in the jail in La Paz plus blocked roads to Bahia
Ensenada de Los muertos because of fisherman protesting inspections or something. Some fisherman were blaming the us ban on imported fish from gill
net fishing for increased inspections. Baja is always an adventure, just be aware of your surroundings and be careful.
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Instead of being scared of shark attacks, and cartel turf wars, that do not involve American tourists. Be scare of the cheeseburger, and coronary
disease, that is a much much bigger threat to your life.
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I'm glad to see most tourists to Mexico, aren't listening to the "alarmists" who want the tourists to be very afraid of Mexico, while the "alarmists"
have no problem living in Mexico.
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In Mexico, the murders keep coming, and so do the tourists
CABO SAN LUCAS, Mexico — To understand why violence in Mexico isn't scaring tourists away from beaches, consider the cheeseburger. And then shark
attacks.
"Shark attacks are very rare, but they're spectacularly big and scary; scares the living wits out of you," explained David Shirk, director of justice
in Mexico and security expert at the University of San Diego. "But very few people are afraid of cheeseburgers even though coronary disease is among
the top causes of deaths worldwide."
As summer vacation formally gets under way with start of Memorial Day weekend, Shirk's analogy helps explain the state of Mexico's tourism industry.
Despite bloody headlines from some of the favorite tourist destinations for Americans — from Cancun to Los Cabos — the industry continues to grow,
in part, because tourists are almost never the targets.
read the rest here:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/mexico/2018/05/24/mexico-mur...
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 |
I don't think anyone is telling anyone else what to fear...But it is downright stupid not to know what is going on at your destination.
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I don't disagree. That wasn't what that post was about.
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Don't worry about your destination as the world is not a safe place. All you can do as go on living hope your not at the wrong place. When I turn on
the tube its all bad any where in the world.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | Don't worry about your destination as the world is not a safe place. All you can do as go on living hope your not at the wrong place. When I turn on
the tube its all bad any where in the world. |
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So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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"""making BCS the most dangerous city in the world"""
note to self. stay clear of that city.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Instead of being scared of shark attacks, and cartel turf wars, that do not involve American tourists. Be scare of the cheeseburger, and coronary
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Cartel turf wars do involve tourists as casualties, though rarely.
Drug-related robberies and murders involve all Mexican society, they don't care who you are.
Property crimes - closely related to drug industry - are rampant, tourists and expats are more likely to become victims than locals because they
either have more, or are less aware of their surroundings.
Ads like in the post #1 are typically written by tourism promoters and present a skewed picture. They are somewhat relevant to tourists living in
all-inclusive resorts and are less relevant to permanent and seasonal expats.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | | Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Instead of being scared of shark attacks, and cartel turf wars, that do not involve American tourists. Be scare of the cheeseburger, and coronary
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1.Cartel turf wars do involve tourists as casualties, though rarely.
2. Drug-related robberies and murders involve all Mexican society, they don't care who you are.
3.Property crimes - closely related to drug industry - are rampant, tourists and expats are more likely to become victims than locals because they
either have more, or are less aware of their surroundings.
4.Ads like in the post #1 are typically written by tourism promoters and present a skewed picture. They are somewhat relevant to tourists living in
all-inclusive resorts and are less relevant to permanent and seasonal expats. |
number 1. Agree.
number 2. Pure BS, if you're involved in the drug trade you chances of becoming a homicide victim goes through the roof, and if you're not involved
trade, especially if you'r'e middle class or rich, your chances of dying a violent death are very slim.
number 3. More BS, do you have any statistics, news articles, or something that shows tourists and ex-pats are at greater risk of becoming victims
than locals, or did you just make this up?
number 4. The ad is of course promoting Baja, because of all the fear mongering going on in the US about Mexico, so the Mexico tourism department, has
to spend money to counter the alarmists and Baja forum members trying to scare tourists from vacationing in Mexico, using the mantra, "be scared, be
very scared in Mexico!"
However, basically the ad is fairly accurate especially in regards to what the US State dept says, about Baja Sur California:
"Exercise Increased Caution,"
However, the US State Department also says very specifically:
There are no U.S. government restrictions for travel in Baja California Sur, which includes the tourist areas of Cabo San Lucas, San Jose del
Cabo, and La Paz.
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mexiconewsdaily.com/news/airlines-report-slowdown-in-passenger-growth/
Cancun is also covered in seaweed now too along with bad booze.
Es Todo Bueno
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number 2. Pure BS, if you're involved in the drug trade ...
number 3. More BS, do you have any statistics, news articles,
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number 2 - a misquote here. Was said "drug-related", not "if you are involved in drug trade".
number 2 - think. Tourists and expats have more and are less aware of their surroundings. Providing articles would be productive when there is a
chance that they will be read and understood. In this instance I don't see this happening, no offense.
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AND! From that pillar of wisdom, JJJ , always be SCARE of the cheeseburger....
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | ,
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number 2 - a misquote here. Was said "drug-related", not "if you are involved in drug trade".
number 2 - think. Tourists and expats have more and are less aware of their surroundings. Providing articles would be productive when there is a
chance that they will be read and understood. In this instance I don't see this happening, no offense. |
I don't think there are too many Americans around that haven't heard that Mexico, has cartel killings, or that Mexico have corrupt cops, that
sometimes takes bribes.
So please people stop with the " we must warn American tourists of the dangers of Mexico."
THEY HAVE ALREADY HEARD IT IN SPADES!!!!!!
The ones who are most scare to visit Mexico, are those that never been to Mexico, or rarely if ever visit Mexico.
Alm, in other words, you have no documented evidence that foreign tourists, are in increase dangers when visiting Mexico, compared to the local
Mexican population, who BTW, carry cash/peso, instead of all the credit cards Americans carry.
According to Forbes, who put out a real negative articles towards American traveling to Mexico, even they admit in 2016 that there were only 75
American homicide victims in 2016, compared to 31 American tourists. I don't know about you, but I would take those odds.
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From Forbes:
"More than 31 million Americans visited Mexico in 2016, the National Travel & Tourism Office says, and State Department data shows there
were reports of 75 American homicide victims there. In comparison, 49 million Americans traveled to all other foreign countries, and 69 were reported
killed by homicide".
Do the math with a mortality rate calculator, and see what your chances are of dying in Mexico by homcide:
https://www.easycalculation.com/medical/annual-mortality-rat...
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Yes, cheeseburgers, and clogged clogged arteries, are the real dangers to your lives, not only in Mexico, but any place you eat, if you really want
to put things in perceptive.
Mexico Mike, lists other leading cause of tourist deaths in Mexico, and instead of worrying about Mexican cartels, I would worry about having an auto
accident in Mexico, or crossing the street as a pedestrian.
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From Mexico Mike:
In 2015 the leading cause of tourist deaths in Mexico was auto accidents (3,104). Next was drowning (355), then suicide (228). Homicide for
the last decade usually accounts for about 92 deaths a year. Drug-related deaths (by using or overdosing) were 59. Deaths from all causes were 8.87
per 1,000,000 (that is one million) visitors. Source: Time.com. (If you reduced that to the commonly-used statistical standard of 100,000, it's only
0.887 per 100,000). That seems like a lot, no? If it is you or a loved one included in that statistic, it is terrible. But to put it into persecutive,
that is about 0.84 per capita (of tourists, not nationals). Source: PriceEcomonmics. In 2017 the FBI reported that the homicide rate was 6.8 per
100,000. .In 2015 it was 5.3. In 2014 it was was 4.5 per 100,000 You still are more likely to get struck by lightning (1 in 3,000 lifetime) in the USA
than to be murdered in Mexico. Source: National Geographic
https://www.mexicomike.com/safety/safety-UsStateDepartment.h...
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Went right over his Turban , eh? So don't be scare to visit Mexico...Keep everything in perceptive...
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When in doubt go racist on Sikhs.
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