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mtgoat666
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Why is the “capitalist” USA a flocking mess, and socialist northern Europe and Scandinavia doing better for their people?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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David K
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CNN is your only view of the world or is it MSNBC? LOL
I like to hear the news and not be told what I am supposed to get from it. Try getting news that doesn't have an agenda.
You know, like Fox News, LOL!!!
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I just got back from Oaxaca and stayed in the historic centro. There was a small OXXO two doors down from my hotel. The OXXO had a dozen choices of
coffee - hot and strong. This was the only place I could get a decent cup of coffee - otherwise served tepid and weak and cost more than OXXO. I
would strongly oppose tearing down a historic or significant building in a World Heritage Site to install an OXXO, but on the other hand, there are
plenty of other shops like chain appliance and smart phone stores, modern shoe stores in the same neighborhood, their storefronts contrasting greatly
to the old world façade of the adjacent shop. The historic centro area is definitely unique but I don't think too many vendors are being displaced
by competing wares at OXXO. E.g., I definitely would not buy pasteles at OXXO, rather, at the panaderia. The OXXO was selling a lot of lottery
tickets I noticed. They're not selling crafts, and the hot dogs are inferior to the ones found on the street.
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When people pay 50% of their income in taxes and the country only has a few million people in a small area the size of LA county things can be much
better than a country with 300 million spread out over nearly 4 million sq miles. If capitalist USA is so bad why are so many trying to come here?
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Claim?.....Campion and I both live here, we go to these stores often.
We personally witness the upgrades in the cleanliness, fresher goods, more order and less stuff packing the aisles.
If you actually lived in Baja, you too would notice the difference.
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I would think product distribution networks have also improved, which might allow for some of this change as well.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Why is the “capitalist” USA a flocking mess, and socialist northern Europe and Scandinavia doing better for their people?
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When people pay 50% of their income in taxes and the country only has a few million people in a small area the size of LA county things can be much
better than a country with 300 million spread out over nearly 4 million sq miles. If capitalist USA is so bad why are so many trying to come here?
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Not only do these countries pay a high income tax.....
"Sweden’s top marginal tax rate of 56.9 percent applies to all income over 1.5 times the average income in Sweden. Norway’s top marginal tax rate
of 39 percent applies to all income over 1.6 times the average Norwegian income"
And if that's not enough.....
"Denmark collects about 9.6 percent of GDP through the VAT, Norway collects about 7.8 percent, and Sweden collections about 9 percent of GDP. All three countries have VAT rates of 25 percent"And if that's not enough.....
Gas price in Sweden......$6.27 a gallon
Norway...$7.03
Denmark...$6.57
Finland....6.08
Pay over half your income to the government, so they can take care of you and make some of your spending decisions for you.
Or...you keep more your earned money, so you can make your own decisions on how you wish to live, with your money.
Make that call....is this the "utopia" were looking for?
[Edited on 3-2-2019 by DaliDali]
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mtgoat666
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Refugees and immigrants are trying to go to many countries, not necessarily USA.
There are many more people NOT trying to come to USA relative to those trying to come to USA.
Don’t be fooled into thinking USA is best. Economic and military power of a country is not a measure of quality of life. There are better places
in the world.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Getting What You Pay For
When discussing the relative merits of the U.S. system versus the various European models, the only pertinent comparisons would be comparable
standards of living.
Does their regulatory and taxation system provide the vast majority of their residents with a better overall standard of living ?
Or does the U.S. ?
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I have no doubt there are many countries that are good places to live whether it's an island, a land locked country or along the coast of an ocean.
But when it comes to paying a fare share for common interest things like the UN, NATO and the world bank why does the USA foot the largest share?
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Fun FACTS on USA immigration....Millions are coming to the USA...WAY more than ANY other country.
The USA has 19.8 percent of the worlds foreign born population.
The nearest one is Germany, with 4.9%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...
"How many immigrants enter the US each year?
Since 2000, legal immigrants to the United States number approximately 1,000,000 per year, of whom about 600,000 are Change of Status who already are
in the U.S. Legal immigrants to the United States now are at their highest level ever, at just over 37,000,000 legal immigrants"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_Stat...
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
Claim?.....Campion and I both live here, we go to these stores often.
We personally witness the upgrades in the cleanliness, fresher goods, more order and less stuff packing the aisles.
If you actually lived in Baja, you too would notice the difference. |
Yes "claim" is the right word.
I don't like to go around and call BS on people, and perhaps Loreto, is some kind of Mexican free market, utopia, that when monopolistic big box
companies and the franchises type businesses move in, that instead of putting the mom & pop stores out of business, it instead lifts all boats,
and businesses, including the Mom & Pop stores.
Maybe, the chupacabra, is also very active in Loreto, who knows? I haven't been down to Loreto, in over 10 years.
But what I do know for sure, after living in both Mexico, and the US, is that usually when the big companies like WalMart, Amazon, McDonald's or Oxxo,
moves it, the Mom & Pop stores go out of business, unless ordinances are put in place to stop the growth, and save the same companies.
I'm also a student of economics, and what you are describing usually doesn't happen due to many economic factors.
Then again, there is sometimes synergy from places like restaurant row.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
Claim?.....Campion and I both live here, we go to these stores often.
We personally witness the upgrades in the cleanliness, fresher goods, more order and less stuff packing the aisles.
If you actually lived in Baja, you too would notice the difference. |
Maybe, the chupacabra, is also very active in Loreto, who knows? I haven't been down to Loreto, in over 10 years.
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This says it all....you just don't know.
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